The decor really match the building itself, both the ammo and the warehouse looks like a dump from the 70's. I hope the ukies detonate the place and make a cool video about it going into the stratosphere.
I honestly thought it was just a joke from the early weeks of the war, but this is just sad. Apart from the METAL BAWKSES this stuff looks like it would stack nicely on any pallet
how are they supposed to move all this shit with a pallet jack or a forklift? theres no way to put the forks into those wooden things, i dont even know what the purpose of them is
yeah but where? ive yet to see one, and why would you use a specialized jack for only one type of pallet instead of a standardized commercial forklift.
Keeps them off the ground in case of water.
this is my suspicion as well, but that would mean they moved all those heavy ass crates one by one, its legitimately absurd to think they would operate like this, a pump jack isn't even expensive or difficult to transport with the rest of your supplies and it makes resupply much faster because you don't have to spend hours doing it by hand
2 years ago
Anonymous
didn't soviet russia have their own weird standard for everything that sets them apart from the world outside of soviet bloc?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes, but they agreed to the world standard for pallets.
However, they only used it in international harbors and nowhere else.
The rest of the world uses pallets because it lets you use forklifts. Russia literally stacks everything by hand. That amount of ammo could be moved by two forklifts in 20 minutes and a 3 person crew by the rest of the world. For Russia, it would take 20 men hours to do.
Russian military can't into forklifts. Which is surprising because when I was growing up in that shithole and had to work construction to survive, we had forklifts. They even let me, a 16-year-old, drive it sometimes.
Forlifts are the boring background instead of flashy superweapons that will destroy west for just the small price of XX billion rubles. In Russian military the most important measure apparently was "can it impress Putin". You can't parade a forklift (well you can, since they can move but that would look too ridiculous) so it doesn't get invested in.
Compare that to business which actually has to make money.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>You can't parade a forklift (well you can, since they can move but that would look too ridiculous)
This year's Bastille Day military parade in paris had engineering equipment like loaders, dozers and telehandler forklifts loaded on flatbed trucks paraded around.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Pierre shitposting with a military parade
actually, I'm impressed
2 years ago
Anonymous
>The french do it.
Of course le ridicule ne tue pas.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I hope Ukraine does parade them along with tractors after this war
2 years ago
Anonymous
To add on to this point there is a decent chance the forklifts you saw working in construction were originally owned by the military. Literally anything they have that can be sold will be, with items useful in the civilian world being top priority since you can just sell them off to your family without any intermediaries like trying to pawn autocannon shells
2 years ago
Anonymous
Reminds of him
2 years ago
Anonymous
>You can't parade a forklift (well you can, since they can move but that would look too ridiculous)
More ridiculous than your latest super tank breaking down and having to be towed off the parade, with the whole world looking on?
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Soviet/Russian economy might have been bit less moronic than it has reputation for. Soviet/Russian military on the other hand had endless supply of conscripts to exploit in more than one way. Pocket the budget for forklift and use 40 conscripts for loading work while they should be participating in actual training and as bonus send 5 more conscripts work as rent a boys in the town.
Your reading comprehension must be dogshit because I hadn’t heard of the meme until I got into this thread and was able to understand it from the get go
The last two digits after xx-x-, is almost always the production year, so box 533-9-73 means factory no.533 or lot number made in 1973, lol almost 50yrs old, also that particular box has PG-15VS (ПГ-15BC) in it, see here https://bsvt.by/en/strelkovoe-vooruzhenie-i-boepripasy/artillery-rounds/73mm-vystrely-pg15vs, so thats whats in some of the ammo boxes
It might actually be for SPG-9 recoilless rifles. The Russians still issue them to motorized units as company support weapons. And if you think the BMP-1's main gun is obsolete, wait until you see the non-self-propelled version.
During the Kiev rout we saw bottles of looted alcohol that were abandoooned. That's when you know it's really bad. No Slav would every willingly part with alcohol.
>Ivan running so fast he had to leave his vodka
I find it rather telling that this is the hardest part to believe.
I'll believe it though, because it's hilarious.
My uncle, soviet era tank driver, says they're crates of high explosives. They're in metal boxes like that so that they can't be detonated or damaged by bad handling or road accidents
also very hard to steal and will give you cancer if you use them for anything so you only find them around army bases
While I doubt they sabotaged the stuff, as they were basically chased out, I'd not trust a single shell in that pile, as russian gear might just blow into your face. That shit looks older than my father
this is what happens when your forces are utterly demoralized and not ready for combat whatsoever
the retreat was too quick, doubt they had the time to salt all these crates in that time
plus ukraine has enough shells rn, the actual loss here is russia losing the shells that they are wasting on random buildings
russia has been using their arty so ineffectively, i remember how in spring they were already using shells with messages for the residents of grozny to surrender
Salting is not very common. The same situation as how bright obvious personal identification stripes ends up over camo. The salted ammo is usually kept or stays too close to one's own side creating a too compelling friendly fire or self-contaminate risk.
they aren't "cargo cult"
they are there simply to prevent water damage from moisture from the ground.
I mean look at that roof. that shit is obviously leaking and creating puddles all over the floor
Yes but if you know what you're doing you can create a platform which both keeps things off the wet, dirty ground AND aids in the ease of movement and transport.
IF you know what you're doing.
t.John Frum
former soviet ammunition and weaponry storage facility. As russians took it from pigs back then they got some thousand tonnes of the old and new ammunition. pigs are pretending they took it back but publish only old photos and empty boxes. looks like russians cleaned the whole storage up and pigs will suck some dicks now.
They are Dunnage - spacers to allow ventilation.
Pre-pallet ammo storage technology to lift the bottom layer of boxes off the floor.
Then the West moved to pallets and MHE in the mid 1940s. >russian logistics are 80years behind
I think they were very happy to leave it behind. "We can run so much faster without carrying that and the odds of being targeted for death-from-above are diminished!" Being in munitions logistics isn't fun in a war where there is no safe rear area to hide in.
>steel core ammo is banned in america.
im fairly certain this is bait, because that's plain moronic, but no.. no it is not.
I can go on Fuddbroker right now and buy some lovely chink steel core 7.62
or buy brand new Lake city M855a1
>be a vatnik fork driver >ordered to load these into trucks before hohols overrun your position >line it up nicely at front but some other vodka laden schmuck positioned it wrong at the back >crates fall off the makeshift pallets >get sent into Siberia
>But where are the pallets?
They disassociate items from pallets at the train depots for some godforsaken reason. Either the pallets are at the train depots being used for frick all or they're sent back with the trains. Cause the goods come in on pallets. That's actually been confirmed.
once they have to move them, all that shits gets moved into a truck by hand, and by hand exclusively. that's it. forklift is a star trek tech for russians
This was probably the smartest move the Russian high command has ever accomplished in the war and it was a complete accident. Now Ukraine has to move all that shit without pallets lmao.
The thing is tho the American MIC is so OP it's neither that much of a loss to them, whilst simultaneously requiring high maintenance costs for the taliban rendering most of it increasingly useless beyond 1 or 2 frankensteined trophy pieces cobbled together from stripping the rest. Russian kit is both precious to the Russians as they genuinely can't afford to keep throwing it away, whilst also being easily used by the ukrainians
Most big commercial and industrial vehicles and equipments are sold by the manufacturer on the premise that they'll be worth just as much to the company in spares, servicing, and repair charges as they get in profit from the sale ticket cost. I have no doubt that in Iraq and Afghanistan where the US had the regimes over a barrel that half the military hardware was sold/donated to them on the premise that US companies would get to sell them spares for the next 20 years
If the Ukrainians have been loosing thousands of fighters a day, like Russia claims, I don't think a handful of self correcting AK's will be all that catastrophic
I'm guessing it would be prudent of the Ukrainians to move the ammunition as quickly as possible, given that the Russians know where it is, and still have weapons that would be able to hit them.
I dunno. It looks neat but that's not a big amount of explosives. How much explosives do you waste taking it out, considering the precision of Russian arty? They had the chance to throw in a few fuses when they left it, now it's probably becoming a low priority as they are pushed away.
Funny how people are making fun of Russia. Even when the U.S. just spent 20 years in Afghanistan and 11 in Vietnam. Killing Millions of people and leaving when the war wasn't even justified. No weapons of mass destruction and little evidence of the Guld of Tokin. Russia now has 20% of Ukraine, that's 20% they didn't have before. That's pretty good for 7months compared to the U.S. spending 20years in Afghanistan killing Innocent people and spending our own soilders in as cannon fodder. It doesn't matter I though Ukraine is 'perfect', sanction's work, and we are perfect.
That was towards the end of the USSR. When Yeltsen and Grobochov were destroying the county and dismantling the military. And the U.S. is supposed to be the most power nation in the world but they did the same as Russia in Afghanistan. At least they didn't leave nearly a trillion dollars in weapons.
>And the U.S. is supposed to be the most power nation in the world
Power doesn't mean shit, that's the point. You can try to pound liberal democracy into people's heads as hard as you can, but you can't make them accept it. Afghanistan was a military success, but ONLY a military success. The half-assed nationbuilding of building schools but drone striking weddings was an abysmal failure.
We should have left after Bin Laden bit the dust and called it a day.
Unironically yes. US is great at war [and propping up shit regimes] but sucks ass at peace [again, picking shit regimes to be the 'good guys' after the US leaves]
2 years ago
Anonymous
yeah when you can just bomb the shit outta someone without 20th century defenses you sure look like your good at war. But they arent good because they were driven out in the end. they had a lead and lost.
2 years ago
Anonymous
US wasn't driven out by force, it left because Biden wanted to score approval points by yoinking out everybody ASAP. Then the pedo warlords we shilled for and pumped a bajillion taxpayer dollars into propping up instantly surrendered because the US government is fricking awful at picking their allies. Rememer, they advocated for the Khmer Rouge of all people just to spite Vietnam.
Honestly, as a burger, I say that's even worse than actually being beaten in war.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>US wasn't driven out by force
really doesnt matter, they outpaced and fatigued the USA. afghans knew how this kind of war is fought and lasted for 20+ years. All wars in this region are fought this way. Generations of fighters kicking foreigners out.
same idea people have in ukraine about russia: >enough casualties and the public will go crazy
2 years ago
Anonymous
Asymmetric warfare is what you do when you cannot fight on equal terms. Guerrilla war is what you do when you can't directly engage the enemy without being defeated. Attrition is what you resort to when you can't win a war of maneuver.
And a generation-long, grinding war of attrition where the losses are heavily weighted against you is something you only attempt if you have literally no other options.
After 20 years of struggle, blood, and misery the Taliban's multi-generational guerilla campaign inflicted a defeat on the United States which made the average American say "man, Biden's fricking up" before they went back to whatever they were doing. How people interpret this as "haha the US military sucks" is something I don't understand
2 years ago
Anonymous
you go to war to win, bottom line.
2 years ago
Anonymous
50 IQ take
2 years ago
Anonymous
Kiev would like a word with you
2 years ago
Anonymous
Under whose administration was the Doha Agreement signed again? That same administration that halved US troops and released thousands of Taliban prisoners right before the next administration took over.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The USA is great at making and creating peace. I'm here in Ireland and the USA did a fantastic thing by getting the Good Friday Agreement ending violence in Northern Ireland and opened a lot of big employers here. Americans are alright with me. Not so Russians who tried their best to keep violence going here and bankrolling violent extremists and would be dictators. The USA is far from perfect, the state department should never have been funding pro-abortion campaigns in other nations or classifying sexual identity politics as human rights and stopped executing people itself but no one is perfect. Russia and the Soviet Union and its supporters though, now that was evil in the world.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Went to Afghanistan.
Spent trillions.
Ran away.
????
Great at war.
2 years ago
Anonymous
please just have a nice day
2 years ago
Anonymous
You need to accept reality. Not hate people for pointing out the truth. It's better for your mental health.
2 years ago
Anonymous
And you need to let irony hit you already, it stopped being funny like 2 posts ago.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm not trying to amuse you.
I understand you may not like what went down in Afghanistan, but lying about it doesn't help. It also prevents you from learning from your mistakes. Just be at peace with it.
The USSR military was ALWAYS like this! Just listen to literally any experience report by guys serving with Russian soldiers back in the day, almost all of them will confirm you that even in the 70s Russian soldiers would laze about all day, just pretending to do their maintenance and sell fuel and ammo for food and cigs.
My family is East German and even my grandpa had the same experience in the 60s, my dad in the 80s.
>they did the same as Russia in Afghanistan
no, the soviet war in afghanistan was much more brutal. afghan population declined by 10% while the soviets were there. they must have killed a lot of people and destroyed tons of infrastructure.
meanwhile during american occupation the afghan population doubled in size.
It was basically what's going on now. Giant country thinks it can easily bully smaller neighbor, misunderestimates them big time. Cue Chang cope >we didn't NEED to free Cambodia >MISSION ACCOMPRISHED
But since it's Asia nobody wants to admit how many people actually died
It was basically what's going on now. Giant country thinks it can easily bully smaller neighbor, misunderestimates them big time. Cue Chang cope >we didn't NEED to free Cambodia >MISSION ACCOMPRISHED
But since it's Asia nobody wants to admit how many people actually died
I thought Ch*na got absolutely MOGGED by Vietnam. At least that's the summary of that greentext recounting post-WWII's Ch*na's pathetic track record in war, mentioning notable events like Mao's intended successor getting turned into fried pork via napalm in Korea.
Friendly reminder that Russia suffers from the same issues as the USSR: being fricking cheap and putting that cash into their own pockets instead of where it should go. There's a reason the vodka drinking fricks in Moscow nearly irradiated all of Europe because one of their damn reactors blew.
Black person you lost the same amount of men in Ukraine in 6 FRICKING MONTHS that we did in Vietnam in 13 FRICKING YEARS (yes I count the first US death in Vietnam as the start of US deaths, 1960)
I'm pretty sure it's some sort of a brown cylinder with a pointy stick coming out of it. Although I must admit I'm no expert on brown cylinders with a pointy stick coming out of them.
>Ukraine owns this arsenal before the war but the shit is so old/can't use it >Russia invades, captures and sees this, they cant use it either >Ukraine takes back area - takes moto pic of arsenal
What is the tactical advantage of leaving ARSENAL FULL OF AMMO behind?
This is the same arsenal that exploded under mysterious circumstances in 2017. At the time it was thought to be a simple accident, or an attempt to cover up stolen hardware, but now it’s universally believed to be a Russian op. It contained those exact 152mm soviet shells Ukraine was so desperately missing in this was.
>What is the tactical advantage of leaving ARSENAL FULL OF AMMO behind?
it's the same ammo ukraine left behind back in march, april or whenever balakliya was captured by russia
found a webm of it dating late april on tbharchive
pretty sure the reason why neither russia nor ukraine blew it up in a span of 4 months is either
a) most of the ammo is old and bad
b) there's so much of it that it would destroy the city as well
Read the lot numbers on the 60mm and the UN PMCs on the boxes. >60mm HE mortar ammo made in Czech Republic in 2016
The Ammo boxes with the UN HD diamonds on them are Czech made - you can read the 'CZ' country code in the UM Package marking code certification on the boxes, the box certification is 2014 and the ammo in it was made in 2016. >"ancient soviet ammo"
The rest of it probably is, I cant see any lot markings clearly.
You can kind of tell; they are not empty by the fact that the lids are still nailed on them. Unless you think that someone went and carefully nailed the wooden lids back on all those munitions crates because well....the Russian army is fricked up buck of morons and just do moronic shit? Is that what you are saying here this is just another example of completely moronic Russian shit wehere the Russian military sat nailing lits back onto empty crates and stacking a whole building full of them?
BECAUSE THEY DON'T LOOK EMPTY TO ME CHUGSISTER IT LOOKS LIKE THE RUSSIAN ARMY RAN AWAY BECAUSE ITS MEN KNOW THAT BEING NEAR THAT WAS A DEATH SENTENCE AS SOON AS THE UKRANIANS GOT IT IN RANGE
You can kind of tell; they are not empty by the fact that the lids are still nailed on them. Unless you think that someone went and carefully nailed the wooden lids back on all those munitions crates because well....the Russian army is fricked up buck of morons and just do moronic shit? Is that what you are saying here this is just another example of completely moronic Russian shit wehere the Russian military sat nailing lits back onto empty crates and stacking a whole building full of them?
BECAUSE THEY DON'T LOOK EMPTY TO ME CHUGSISTER IT LOOKS LIKE THE RUSSIAN ARMY RAN AWAY BECAUSE ITS MEN KNOW THAT BEING NEAR THAT WAS A DEATH SENTENCE AS SOON AS THE UKRANIANS GOT IT IN RANGE
>example of completely moronic Russian shit wehere the Russian military sat nailing lits back onto empty crates and stacking a whole building full of them
You can already buy castrated Russian conscripts on the darknet for gold because their own military is selling them off to Arabs and claiming they died in Ukraine. The Russian military just does not give a frick about this war. They are quite expensive to as they are also used for organ harvests. It is teh site that used to sell castrated blacks to Arabs if you know the one. Dispatch is Dagestan
>Ukraine abandons the arsenal, leaving ARSENAL FULL OF AMMO(no pallets) behind
I sleep >Russia abandons the same exact arsenal, leaving ARSENAL FULL OF AMMO(no pallets) behind
real shit
>Iraqi forces retreat in the face of overwhelming power, leaving behind stockpiles of ammunition and supplies
I sleep >Coalition forces retreat in the face of overwhelming power, leaving behind stockpiles of ammunition and supplies
real shit
so this time it's Russia who expects to retake it later then? and whoever ends up finally blowing up the arsenal along with the city right next to it during the retreat is the one to lose?
Seriously this shit would deserve it's own thread but how the frick I can't find ANY information about the usage of forklifts and pallets in the Russian army? You type in "US army forklift pallets" and you get tons of well, said things, you try a wild amount of related keyword searches for russia, nothing. You can't be fricking serious right? >t. forklift certified
I do think I had a pretty good idea about the state of training, corruption, especially the vaunted tank reserves which were infact looted scrap yards, and so on, but seriously no fricking pallets? No forklifts? You'd think they'd lobby for some if for no other reason, more efficient stealing.
To be fair, hand-crating makes for the most efficient stealing
Private Conscriptovich says he needs to take a shit while moving boxes from the train to the warehouse
Sargeant Lugandov says alright and be quick goddamnit
Private Conscriptovich walks off with the box he was carrying to take his shit, and does not come back with it
Nobody says anything because everybody honors the "take a shit" excuse for walking off with a box full of loot
I did this at my job in a retail store once without realizing it. I had a package of Nintendo games in hand while walking past the loading dock, asked my manager if I could get a cigarette from my car. Didn't realize I'd stolen 12 copies of Mario Soccer or what ever the frick until I got home that night and noticed them in the passenger seat.
B-But we even provide instructional videos about this in 2k with subtitles, for free.
Western decadence is not match for manly Russian sweat and efforts!
Moving munitions by hands forge muscled body, muscled body means strong soldier, strong soldier means strong army!
To be fair, hand-crating makes for the most efficient stealing
Private Conscriptovich says he needs to take a shit while moving boxes from the train to the warehouse
Sargeant Lugandov says alright and be quick goddamnit
Private Conscriptovich walks off with the box he was carrying to take his shit, and does not come back with it
Nobody says anything because everybody honors the "take a shit" excuse for walking off with a box full of loot
I did this at my job in a retail store once without realizing it. I had a package of Nintendo games in hand while walking past the loading dock, asked my manager if I could get a cigarette from my car. Didn't realize I'd stolen 12 copies of Mario Soccer or what ever the frick until I got home that night and noticed them in the passenger seat.
Suuuuure, you just "accidentally" placed those Mario Soccer copies on your backseat and then "accidentally" forgot to take them back with you after you got your ciggies.
Welcome to March, when we made that realization. It explains so fricking much about how much of a clusterfrick the Russian logistical system is, doesn't it?
The Ukrainians use pallets in at least some part of their logistical system. They have to, even if it's just so they can move around the aid shipments. Even if that's where it started, they would have immediately picked up on how much it revolutionizes logistics and put it into service wherever they could.
The Ukrainians use pallets in at least some part of their logistical system. They have to, even if it's just so they can move around the aid shipments. Even if that's where it started, they would have immediately picked up on how much it revolutionizes logistics and put it into service wherever they could.
Even if they don't have western logistics equipment, they have enough manpower to do all the manual labour of handling unpalleted supplies. Just put some barely trained territorial defence to it. Russia doesn't, it has to be done by the same soldiers who are desperately needed at the front.
What is the tactical advantage of burdening your enemy with so much of your ammo that it consumes a massive investment of their man hours in resources dealing with your toxic waste dump?
Just the sheer amount of crap that got beat out of the Russian pinata really is mind boggling, T-80's everywhere, support vehicles out the wazoo and more arty than you can shake a stick at.
On top of that there's 100's of tonnes of ammo
>Does a tank have ignition keys?
usually military vehicles don't need keys to start, because the person with the keys could suddenly be dispersed over large area without warning
Anything related to EW or communications you trade with Western spooks, rest you use to equip few more mechanized units, or turn mechanized to armored.
>Some Russian peasant in the 70's probably suffered working 12 hours 6 days a weeks making this shit only for it to get abandoned in another country then repurposed and used to kill his grandchildren
>corned beef
It is corned just like gun powder is. By forcing it through a mesh.
Before people corned gunpowder it would separate on long journeys and fail to ignite.
By making a paste, then forcing it through a mesh, it stopped this problem. The size of the mesh dictates the grain of the powder.
>Before people corned gunpowder it would separate on long journeys and fail to ignite.
the formation of dust was also a hazard, a spark could make it all go off
The decor really match the building itself, both the ammo and the warehouse looks like a dump from the 70's. I hope the ukies detonate the place and make a cool video about it going into the stratosphere.
Nah. Make it a historical site, showing one of the times Russia fricked up.
Let it be a monument to Vatnik shame.
We all know there will be a TON of historical sites post-war to see.
not
one
single
pallet
I honestly thought it was just a joke from the early weeks of the war, but this is just sad. Apart from the METAL BAWKSES this stuff looks like it would stack nicely on any pallet
maybe these little wooden things are their version of pallets?
how are they supposed to move all this shit with a pallet jack or a forklift? theres no way to put the forks into those wooden things, i dont even know what the purpose of them is
dunno, they seem to be somewhat standardized for insertion of some sort. maybe they have some strange off spec pallet jack over in russia?
yeah but where? ive yet to see one, and why would you use a specialized jack for only one type of pallet instead of a standardized commercial forklift.
this is my suspicion as well, but that would mean they moved all those heavy ass crates one by one, its legitimately absurd to think they would operate like this, a pump jack isn't even expensive or difficult to transport with the rest of your supplies and it makes resupply much faster because you don't have to spend hours doing it by hand
didn't soviet russia have their own weird standard for everything that sets them apart from the world outside of soviet bloc?
Yes, but they agreed to the world standard for pallets.
However, they only used it in international harbors and nowhere else.
Keeps them off the ground in case of water.
Forklifts are an ISIS-HATO feint trying to reduce conscriptovich gainz
Can someone pls explain the pallet meme?
The rest of the world uses pallets because it lets you use forklifts. Russia literally stacks everything by hand. That amount of ammo could be moved by two forklifts in 20 minutes and a 3 person crew by the rest of the world. For Russia, it would take 20 men hours to do.
"Doing it by hand keeps le Soldaty in shape" said some Rusky general somewhere.
Russian military can't into forklifts. Which is surprising because when I was growing up in that shithole and had to work construction to survive, we had forklifts. They even let me, a 16-year-old, drive it sometimes.
Forlifts are the boring background instead of flashy superweapons that will destroy west for just the small price of XX billion rubles. In Russian military the most important measure apparently was "can it impress Putin". You can't parade a forklift (well you can, since they can move but that would look too ridiculous) so it doesn't get invested in.
Compare that to business which actually has to make money.
>You can't parade a forklift (well you can, since they can move but that would look too ridiculous)
This year's Bastille Day military parade in paris had engineering equipment like loaders, dozers and telehandler forklifts loaded on flatbed trucks paraded around.
>Pierre shitposting with a military parade
actually, I'm impressed
>The french do it.
Of course le ridicule ne tue pas.
I hope Ukraine does parade them along with tractors after this war
To add on to this point there is a decent chance the forklifts you saw working in construction were originally owned by the military. Literally anything they have that can be sold will be, with items useful in the civilian world being top priority since you can just sell them off to your family without any intermediaries like trying to pawn autocannon shells
Reminds of him
>You can't parade a forklift (well you can, since they can move but that would look too ridiculous)
More ridiculous than your latest super tank breaking down and having to be towed off the parade, with the whole world looking on?
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Why waste money on forklifts, when you have conscripts?
Additionally, you can't rape a forklift.
Is that a challenge?
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Not with that attitude.
Big if true.
Soviet/Russian economy might have been bit less moronic than it has reputation for. Soviet/Russian military on the other hand had endless supply of conscripts to exploit in more than one way. Pocket the budget for forklift and use 40 conscripts for loading work while they should be participating in actual training and as bonus send 5 more conscripts work as rent a boys in the town.
Your reading comprehension must be dogshit because I hadn’t heard of the meme until I got into this thread and was able to understand it from the get go
This is legit one of my favorite pictures ever. It's so good. So many layers
I believe this is called "Dunnage" and it's simply to prevent the wooden boxes from soaking up moisture from the ground if there is any around.
no, they are just small wooden spacers a size of a cardboard box. They are there just to get the good off the damp ground.
>1680
Number of rounds?
yes.
I want two.
Year of production
god I wish this was my house
I wish I was your neighbor.
Ooooh, you could build a fort out of ammo crates!
The last two digits after xx-x-, is almost always the production year, so box 533-9-73 means factory no.533 or lot number made in 1973, lol almost 50yrs old, also that particular box has PG-15VS (ПГ-15BC) in it, see here https://bsvt.by/en/strelkovoe-vooruzhenie-i-boepripasy/artillery-rounds/73mm-vystrely-pg15vs, so thats whats in some of the ammo boxes
These crates contain the 73mm rounds for bmp/d's 1 grom cannon or spg 9 .
>Ammo for guns from 1965
yeah that makes sense
You have to be kidding me. Why the frick are they deploying BMP-1s STILL? They were considered obsolete in Afghanistan.
It might actually be for SPG-9 recoilless rifles. The Russians still issue them to motorized units as company support weapons. And if you think the BMP-1's main gun is obsolete, wait until you see the non-self-propelled version.
>Why the frick are they deploying BMP-1s STILL
Both sides still have lots of them.
They even stacked it nicely for the Ukrainians. Could've dusted the crates though.
Is there one projectile in these crates?
No, the Russians neatly stacked a bunch of empty crates. Totally normal and expected Russian behavior.
L9l
Don't be dense, he meant "Is there only one shell per crate".
how old is that stuff?
do they still use wooden boxes? isn't that unnecessary heavy compared to plastic?
Are you trusting vatniks to be able to make plastic? Wood grows by itself.
>how old is that stuff?
between 30 and 40 years. These are from the old system where they would put the year in the middle instead of last.
made in 1977.
US military uses wooden boxes still too for overpack
They always look so happy together. i feel they would be a cute couple in different circumstance.
You think they finger a suck each other in the bunker?
>implying they aren't
How come these manly men are as smooth as a feminine twink?
old men, so they probably have the test levels of a 10 year old girl
is that a Tesla?
They also can't into pallets and forklifts so don't be surprised they're using wooden boxes
They even left the washing machines?
underrated post
Yup.
Though after this war, Ukrainians will never want for washing machines ever again.
but they were the ukrainian's washing machines to begin with
Kek
During the Kiev rout we saw bottles of looted alcohol that were abandoooned. That's when you know it's really bad. No Slav would every willingly part with alcohol.
>Ivan running so fast he had to leave his vodka
I find it rather telling that this is the hardest part to believe.
I'll believe it though, because it's hilarious.
They probably finished them and filled them with piss.
whats in those metal boxes on the right?
demolition charges
SPEHS MUHREENS
>the fabled pallets
>they were here all along
What are these? It looks like the blocks on the ground are what's contained inside them, but what are they?
Unscented Soap, is being for hygiene
Keys of coke.
Armored washing machines
I also want to know
My uncle, soviet era tank driver, says they're crates of high explosives. They're in metal boxes like that so that they can't be detonated or damaged by bad handling or road accidents
also very hard to steal and will give you cancer if you use them for anything so you only find them around army bases
That's cool
the metal cans are there to prevent static electricity, also the cans are usually put in wooden casks for transportation.
Demolition charges. The ones we use are 20kg blocks
i thought those were looted washing machines stacked storeys high in the thumbnail kek
it could be salted
having your enemy doubt his gear is an underrated advantage
if the ukies are smart, they'd just scrap the whole arsenal
If I was a Ukrainian officer I'd probably be on social media offering to send it back to them.
"Hey, you guys left your antiques when you moved out!"
I dont think the vatniks had time to rig much of anything. They got ran over pretty hard
While I doubt they sabotaged the stuff, as they were basically chased out, I'd not trust a single shell in that pile, as russian gear might just blow into your face. That shit looks older than my father
got to say Russia really knows how to cheer up a American.
Source?
https://twitter.com/mbk_center/status/1559808507763126273
learn how to use google anon-chama
Maybe the Russian occupiers should stop raping Ukrainian children first.
this is what happens when your forces are utterly demoralized and not ready for combat whatsoever
the retreat was too quick, doubt they had the time to salt all these crates in that time
plus ukraine has enough shells rn, the actual loss here is russia losing the shells that they are wasting on random buildings
russia has been using their arty so ineffectively, i remember how in spring they were already using shells with messages for the residents of grozny to surrender
utter chaos
Salting is not very common. The same situation as how bright obvious personal identification stripes ends up over camo. The salted ammo is usually kept or stays too close to one's own side creating a too compelling friendly fire or self-contaminate risk.
>implying its some Russian masterplan instead of just shitty QC
what the FRICK kind of pallets are those?
as discussed in another thread - basically cargo cult pallets. completely missing the point of what pallets do
pallets genuinely appear beyond Russia's technical capability
they aren't "cargo cult"
they are there simply to prevent water damage from moisture from the ground.
I mean look at that roof. that shit is obviously leaking and creating puddles all over the floor
In America, it's a common strategy to put pallets down at a rental storage unit for the same purpose.
Yes but if you know what you're doing you can create a platform which both keeps things off the wet, dirty ground AND aids in the ease of movement and transport.
IF you know what you're doing.
t.John Frum
Bah, such sorcery is pure fiction and exists only in minds of writers and poets. Like anally virginal conscript or unstolen diesel.
Im sure there are plenty of AIDS even without pallets, anon
Spacers. Easier to pick off the ground by hand, but not for forklifts and such. Also to keep them away from ground-level puddles.
they are fricking dunnage racks. DUNNAGE RACKS.
former soviet ammunition and weaponry storage facility. As russians took it from pigs back then they got some thousand tonnes of the old and new ammunition. pigs are pretending they took it back but publish only old photos and empty boxes. looks like russians cleaned the whole storage up and pigs will suck some dicks now.
Yeah, russian are such pigs haha
They are Dunnage - spacers to allow ventilation.
Pre-pallet ammo storage technology to lift the bottom layer of boxes off the floor.
Then the West moved to pallets and MHE in the mid 1940s.
>russian logistics are 80years behind
unironically the same vibe as early syrian civil war with army depots getting overran and shown as ghanimah
>No pallets
Imagine the poor shmucks who had to stack all that shit by hand, only to leave it behind like this.
I think they were very happy to leave it behind. "We can run so much faster without carrying that and the odds of being targeted for death-from-above are diminished!" Being in munitions logistics isn't fun in a war where there is no safe rear area to hide in.
Post war surplus to be shipped to America to repay the billions we've sent
We're not that lucky. I miss the days of cheap Golden Tiger...
Please God let it all be 7.62 and 5.45.
>not knowing steel core ammo is banned in america.
>not knowing steel core ammo is banned in america.
Yeah
want to come to my gun meetup anon? We're all very excited to meet you!
>steel core ammo is banned in america.
im fairly certain this is bait, because that's plain moronic, but no.. no it is not.
I can go on Fuddbroker right now and buy some lovely chink steel core 7.62
or buy brand new Lake city M855a1
Steel core is banned at indoor ranges because
>oof owie my backstop
It's totally fine outdoors though.
It's russian so it's steal core actually
>be a vatnik fork driver
>ordered to load these into trucks before hohols overrun your position
>line it up nicely at front but some other vodka laden schmuck positioned it wrong at the back
>crates fall off the makeshift pallets
>get sent into Siberia
> vatBlack person fork driver
lmao, it's all done by hand
>vatnik fork driver
No such thing
Pallets and fork lifts are space age sorcery to vatniks.
this is no-shit truth. you just know they had some conscripts unload all this shit by hand just to give it to the Ukrainians LMFAO
easy : arsenal never existed in the first place. in fact, it was the hohol pile blown up 4 weeks ago
Except it literally is a hohol pile.
Balakliya was one of the largest Ukrainian ammunition depots before it was captured by Russian and Allied forces in April.
>Balakliya was one of the largest Ukrainian ammunition depots
it was not. the biggest one is in Dnepropetrovsk and Poltava.
he said
>one of the largest
>Allied forces
you meant axis forces
Russia is literally allied with the Donetsk and Lugansk people's republics but go off.
>Donetsk and Lugansk people's republics
who?
sockpuppets don't count
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Democratic_Republic
>sockpuppets don't count
Wrong.
Free France was more of a sockpuppet during WW2 than DNR and LNR are in the current conflict but it was still counted as a part of Allied forces.
amazing dishonesty, you must work for the CIA
Nah. CIA shits on Russia. This is FSB.
You can also tell because he's moronic.
But where are the pallets? Are you sure that is actually an arsenal and not someone's uncle's garage?
>But where are the pallets?
They disassociate items from pallets at the train depots for some godforsaken reason. Either the pallets are at the train depots being used for frick all or they're sent back with the trains. Cause the goods come in on pallets. That's actually been confirmed.
not having to move it again, obviously
once they have to move them, all that shits gets moved into a truck by hand, and by hand exclusively. that's it. forklift is a star trek tech for russians
AND NO FRICKING PALLETS ANYWHERE!
FRICKING BUNCH OF TROLLS!
HOPE THE RUSSIANS WILL BE STEAM-FRICK'N-ROLLED!
What are there "Pallets" you speak of?
Some new American Wunderwaffe?
"We don't believe in gay pallets, we use manly soviet 'spacers' and use strong muscle to stack ammo blyat"
Moving by hand builds physique.
And private Conscriptovich has something to do. That means he does not have time to do something moronic.
>That means he does not have time to do something moronic.
, moving crates by hand is hard, time for smoke break
>Igor has also made drink from rasins, bread, and brake fluid.
>peco and chep pallets
>at the same time
Not only can NATO afford to use pallets they even spring for the Rolls Royce and Bentley of pallets.
Oryx just got a heart attack
This was probably the smartest move the Russian high command has ever accomplished in the war and it was a complete accident. Now Ukraine has to move all that shit without pallets lmao.
>Without pallets
Ukraine will just order a frickton from the West, as well as forklifts and other MODERN technology
i wish i had all those bullets id be shooting every day haha
Who left more behind? Russia in ukraine or America in Afghanistan?
>America in Afghanistan
By far.
America left an entire armed force's worth of gear in Afghanistan
The thing is tho the American MIC is so OP it's neither that much of a loss to them, whilst simultaneously requiring high maintenance costs for the taliban rendering most of it increasingly useless beyond 1 or 2 frankensteined trophy pieces cobbled together from stripping the rest. Russian kit is both precious to the Russians as they genuinely can't afford to keep throwing it away, whilst also being easily used by the ukrainians
>Right to Repair is a boon to the enemy
Most big commercial and industrial vehicles and equipments are sold by the manufacturer on the premise that they'll be worth just as much to the company in spares, servicing, and repair charges as they get in profit from the sale ticket cost. I have no doubt that in Iraq and Afghanistan where the US had the regimes over a barrel that half the military hardware was sold/donated to them on the premise that US companies would get to sell them spares for the next 20 years
Russia should call the police because Ukraine Is stealing their boxes.
Their rear echelon troops wont be turned into ash when HIMARs detonates it, checkmate ukrops
No pallets? Well all this shit is useless then, better pile it up and blow it to pieces.
Gosh, it was real nice of those Russians to stack that ammo so neatly for them too.
russian soldiers put booby traps inside people's houses when they left the north... but they don't when abandoning an entire fricking ammo depot.
They were retreating so fast that the ukrainians couldn't even keep up while attacking.
It means the SMOOKER has been left behind enemy lines, with one last mission to accomplish
Like in vietnam you can leave a couple of super hot bullets to catastrophically take out enemy weapons.
If the Ukrainians have been loosing thousands of fighters a day, like Russia claims, I don't think a handful of self correcting AK's will be all that catastrophic
Ohoho! Lookit the cute little PALLETS!
>cheap ammo and aks in europe again
Frick yes. Just like after yugo war.
Check it all first Ukraine. It's Vatnik ammo. Never know what's safe to use.
>Ukraine spends 6 months mobilizing and you eventually get overrun by new mechanized brigades
What a clown fest
>new
93 and 92 are anything but new anon, they are some of the most storied units the ukies have
I'm guessing it would be prudent of the Ukrainians to move the ammunition as quickly as possible, given that the Russians know where it is, and still have weapons that would be able to hit them.
I dunno. It looks neat but that's not a big amount of explosives. How much explosives do you waste taking it out, considering the precision of Russian arty? They had the chance to throw in a few fuses when they left it, now it's probably becoming a low priority as they are pushed away.
>The Russian fears NATO's greatest wunderwaffe
>Not EPAL certified
chinkshit
Are there any artillery shells in there tho? That's what the Ukies need the most. The soviet era artillery needs to be fed.
I have stayed up all night and can't believe how it still gets worse every hour
those boxes stacked twice as high as the soldier in the background give me strong liveleak vibes
Cumed
Funny how people are making fun of Russia. Even when the U.S. just spent 20 years in Afghanistan and 11 in Vietnam. Killing Millions of people and leaving when the war wasn't even justified. No weapons of mass destruction and little evidence of the Guld of Tokin. Russia now has 20% of Ukraine, that's 20% they didn't have before. That's pretty good for 7months compared to the U.S. spending 20years in Afghanistan killing Innocent people and spending our own soilders in as cannon fodder. It doesn't matter I though Ukraine is 'perfect', sanction's work, and we are perfect.
How did the Soviet Union do in Afghanistan again? How did China do in Vietnam?
That was towards the end of the USSR. When Yeltsen and Grobochov were destroying the county and dismantling the military. And the U.S. is supposed to be the most power nation in the world but they did the same as Russia in Afghanistan. At least they didn't leave nearly a trillion dollars in weapons.
>And the U.S. is supposed to be the most power nation in the world
Power doesn't mean shit, that's the point. You can try to pound liberal democracy into people's heads as hard as you can, but you can't make them accept it. Afghanistan was a military success, but ONLY a military success. The half-assed nationbuilding of building schools but drone striking weddings was an abysmal failure.
We should have left after Bin Laden bit the dust and called it a day.
>Afghanistan was a military success
holy kek
Unironically yes. US is great at war [and propping up shit regimes] but sucks ass at peace [again, picking shit regimes to be the 'good guys' after the US leaves]
yeah when you can just bomb the shit outta someone without 20th century defenses you sure look like your good at war. But they arent good because they were driven out in the end. they had a lead and lost.
US wasn't driven out by force, it left because Biden wanted to score approval points by yoinking out everybody ASAP. Then the pedo warlords we shilled for and pumped a bajillion taxpayer dollars into propping up instantly surrendered because the US government is fricking awful at picking their allies. Rememer, they advocated for the Khmer Rouge of all people just to spite Vietnam.
Honestly, as a burger, I say that's even worse than actually being beaten in war.
>US wasn't driven out by force
really doesnt matter, they outpaced and fatigued the USA. afghans knew how this kind of war is fought and lasted for 20+ years. All wars in this region are fought this way. Generations of fighters kicking foreigners out.
same idea people have in ukraine about russia:
>enough casualties and the public will go crazy
Asymmetric warfare is what you do when you cannot fight on equal terms. Guerrilla war is what you do when you can't directly engage the enemy without being defeated. Attrition is what you resort to when you can't win a war of maneuver.
And a generation-long, grinding war of attrition where the losses are heavily weighted against you is something you only attempt if you have literally no other options.
After 20 years of struggle, blood, and misery the Taliban's multi-generational guerilla campaign inflicted a defeat on the United States which made the average American say "man, Biden's fricking up" before they went back to whatever they were doing. How people interpret this as "haha the US military sucks" is something I don't understand
you go to war to win, bottom line.
50 IQ take
Kiev would like a word with you
Under whose administration was the Doha Agreement signed again? That same administration that halved US troops and released thousands of Taliban prisoners right before the next administration took over.
The USA is great at making and creating peace. I'm here in Ireland and the USA did a fantastic thing by getting the Good Friday Agreement ending violence in Northern Ireland and opened a lot of big employers here. Americans are alright with me. Not so Russians who tried their best to keep violence going here and bankrolling violent extremists and would be dictators. The USA is far from perfect, the state department should never have been funding pro-abortion campaigns in other nations or classifying sexual identity politics as human rights and stopped executing people itself but no one is perfect. Russia and the Soviet Union and its supporters though, now that was evil in the world.
Went to Afghanistan.
Spent trillions.
Ran away.
????
Great at war.
please just have a nice day
You need to accept reality. Not hate people for pointing out the truth. It's better for your mental health.
And you need to let irony hit you already, it stopped being funny like 2 posts ago.
I'm not trying to amuse you.
I understand you may not like what went down in Afghanistan, but lying about it doesn't help. It also prevents you from learning from your mistakes. Just be at peace with it.
Lol LMAO
The USSR military was ALWAYS like this! Just listen to literally any experience report by guys serving with Russian soldiers back in the day, almost all of them will confirm you that even in the 70s Russian soldiers would laze about all day, just pretending to do their maintenance and sell fuel and ammo for food and cigs.
My family is East German and even my grandpa had the same experience in the 60s, my dad in the 80s.
>they did the same as Russia in Afghanistan
no, the soviet war in afghanistan was much more brutal. afghan population declined by 10% while the soviets were there. they must have killed a lot of people and destroyed tons of infrastructure.
meanwhile during american occupation the afghan population doubled in size.
>At least they didn't leave nearly a trillion dollars in weapons.
Isn’t the predominant weapon in Afghanistan to this day the AK?
I gather China gave Vietnam a good drubbing
It was basically what's going on now. Giant country thinks it can easily bully smaller neighbor, misunderestimates them big time. Cue Chang cope
>we didn't NEED to free Cambodia
>MISSION ACCOMPRISHED
But since it's Asia nobody wants to admit how many people actually died
>misunderestimates them
The frick kind of language do you speak
And then Vietnam taught China a lesson. haha
I thought Ch*na got absolutely MOGGED by Vietnam. At least that's the summary of that greentext recounting post-WWII's Ch*na's pathetic track record in war, mentioning notable events like Mao's intended successor getting turned into fried pork via napalm in Korea.
They did. Since they were slaughtered in the field they've alternated between pretending the war never happened and pretending that they won
Remind me again? Who killed between 500,000 and 2,000,000 Afghan civilians?
Russia sustained more casualties in 3 months in Ukraine than whole of NATO in Iraq and Afghanistan combined in 20 years
Friendly reminder that Russia suffers from the same issues as the USSR: being fricking cheap and putting that cash into their own pockets instead of where it should go. There's a reason the vodka drinking fricks in Moscow nearly irradiated all of Europe because one of their damn reactors blew.
>what about america
>our
>we
I wonder who could be behind this post
Black person you lost the same amount of men in Ukraine in 6 FRICKING MONTHS that we did in Vietnam in 13 FRICKING YEARS (yes I count the first US death in Vietnam as the start of US deaths, 1960)
russia blew up an ammo dump yesterday, this wasn't it was it?
>Rusnigs were THAT sure that they'd be able to hold it
>Planned withdrawal
Two more pictures, supposedly from an abandoned arsenal in Izyum
What's that brown cylinder with a pointy stick coming out of it?
I'm pretty sure it's some sort of a brown cylinder with a pointy stick coming out of it. Although I must admit I'm no expert on brown cylinders with a pointy stick coming out of them.
125mm sabot by the looks of it
what is the toppled machine?
could russia just kalibr it's abandoned ammo dumps since they know the location?
>point at ammo depot
>hit the daycare two blocks away
>kalibr
I guess. If they have 800-1200 missiles per dump (emphasis on miss).
>since they know the location
That's the problem, they most likely don't.
>why, what do you mean you aren't prepared to precision bomb our own ammo dumps at moments notice?? I'll have your head for this
So….question. Why is everything in Ukraine such a dirty, unkempt shitpile?
Because the Russians were there just minutes ago.
Because it's a post soviet shithole and like all post soviet shitholes, anywhere between 20-40% of the population doesn't have access to running water
>anywhere between 20-40% of the population doesn't have access to running water
Maybe 30 years ago that was correct.
Post commie urban decay, you can see it all over the Eastern bloc.
>Ukraine owns this arsenal before the war but the shit is so old/can't use it
>Russia invades, captures and sees this, they cant use it either
>Ukraine takes back area - takes moto pic of arsenal
shit prolly hasn't been moved since the 60s
This is the same arsenal that exploded under mysterious circumstances in 2017. At the time it was thought to be a simple accident, or an attempt to cover up stolen hardware, but now it’s universally believed to be a Russian op. It contained those exact 152mm soviet shells Ukraine was so desperately missing in this was.
https://en.hromadske.ua/posts/balakliya-special-report
>What is the tactical advantage of leaving ARSENAL FULL OF AMMO behind?
You don't get killed trying to defend it.
You don't get blown up because you're anywhere near it when it gets found by HIMARS or m777s. Or whatever.
why didn't ukraine blow it up then? it's their fricking ammo stockpile
>What is the tactical advantage of leaving ARSENAL FULL OF AMMO behind?
it's the same ammo ukraine left behind back in march, april or whenever balakliya was captured by russia
found a webm of it dating late april on tbharchive
pretty sure the reason why neither russia nor ukraine blew it up in a span of 4 months is either
a) most of the ammo is old and bad
b) there's so much of it that it would destroy the city as well
Ruskies adhere to the UN ADR rules?
Read the lot numbers on the 60mm and the UN PMCs on the boxes.
>60mm HE mortar ammo made in Czech Republic in 2016
The Ammo boxes with the UN HD diamonds on them are Czech made - you can read the 'CZ' country code in the UM Package marking code certification on the boxes, the box certification is 2014 and the ammo in it was made in 2016.
>"ancient soviet ammo"
The rest of it probably is, I cant see any lot markings clearly.
Holy shit..
Imagine being the first guy to find it and then you find if'a completely unguarded due to fled vatniks. I'd be hard as diamonds.
wow. so many empty boxes..
You can kind of tell; they are not empty by the fact that the lids are still nailed on them. Unless you think that someone went and carefully nailed the wooden lids back on all those munitions crates because well....the Russian army is fricked up buck of morons and just do moronic shit? Is that what you are saying here this is just another example of completely moronic Russian shit wehere the Russian military sat nailing lits back onto empty crates and stacking a whole building full of them?
BECAUSE THEY DON'T LOOK EMPTY TO ME CHUGSISTER IT LOOKS LIKE THE RUSSIAN ARMY RAN AWAY BECAUSE ITS MEN KNOW THAT BEING NEAR THAT WAS A DEATH SENTENCE AS SOON AS THE UKRANIANS GOT IT IN RANGE
>You can kind of tell
YOU SUCK A DICK! BECAUSE THOSE A CLEARLY ALL EMPTY BOXES YOU STUPID b***h!!
>example of completely moronic Russian shit wehere the Russian military sat nailing lits back onto empty crates and stacking a whole building full of them
You can already buy castrated Russian conscripts on the darknet for gold because their own military is selling them off to Arabs and claiming they died in Ukraine. The Russian military just does not give a frick about this war. They are quite expensive to as they are also used for organ harvests. It is teh site that used to sell castrated blacks to Arabs if you know the one. Dispatch is Dagestan
are you fricking serious?
gib link
that's ok russia still has plenty of those, more than enough for counter-counteroffensive for all that matters
Do pallets not exist in Russia?
It's a gesture of goodwill.
>Ukraine abandons the arsenal, leaving ARSENAL FULL OF AMMO(no pallets) behind
I sleep
>Russia abandons the same exact arsenal, leaving ARSENAL FULL OF AMMO(no pallets) behind
real shit
explain this to me
>Iraqi forces retreat in the face of overwhelming power, leaving behind stockpiles of ammunition and supplies
I sleep
>Coalition forces retreat in the face of overwhelming power, leaving behind stockpiles of ammunition and supplies
real shit
explain this to me
we're talking Russia Ukraine here aren't we
so this time it's Russia who expects to retake it later then? and whoever ends up finally blowing up the arsenal along with the city right next to it during the retreat is the one to lose?
they knew they'd get it back eventually
Ukraine is the underdog so nobody is surprised by them being in desperate situations but Russia is not or at least is not supposed to be.
The enemy will now have TOO MUCH ammo, doesn't know what to do with it and the whole supply chain collapses.
Victory imminent.
Seriously this shit would deserve it's own thread but how the frick I can't find ANY information about the usage of forklifts and pallets in the Russian army? You type in "US army forklift pallets" and you get tons of well, said things, you try a wild amount of related keyword searches for russia, nothing. You can't be fricking serious right?
>t. forklift certified
>he doesn't know how bad things really are
I do think I had a pretty good idea about the state of training, corruption, especially the vaunted tank reserves which were infact looted scrap yards, and so on, but seriously no fricking pallets? No forklifts? You'd think they'd lobby for some if for no other reason, more efficient stealing.
Even if they did, what do you think would happen to the money earmarked for pallet and forklift procuring?
B-But we even provide instructional videos about this in 2k with subtitles, for free.
Western decadence is not match for manly Russian sweat and efforts!
Moving munitions by hands forge muscled body, muscled body means strong soldier, strong soldier means strong army!
To be fair, hand-crating makes for the most efficient stealing
Private Conscriptovich says he needs to take a shit while moving boxes from the train to the warehouse
Sargeant Lugandov says alright and be quick goddamnit
Private Conscriptovich walks off with the box he was carrying to take his shit, and does not come back with it
Nobody says anything because everybody honors the "take a shit" excuse for walking off with a box full of loot
I did this at my job in a retail store once without realizing it. I had a package of Nintendo games in hand while walking past the loading dock, asked my manager if I could get a cigarette from my car. Didn't realize I'd stolen 12 copies of Mario Soccer or what ever the frick until I got home that night and noticed them in the passenger seat.
Suuuuure, you just "accidentally" placed those Mario Soccer copies on your backseat and then "accidentally" forgot to take them back with you after you got your ciggies.
>no fricking pallets? No forklifts?
Probably on paper somewhere, just like they have A MEELLION MENS army on paper, somewhere
Welcome to March, when we made that realization. It explains so fricking much about how much of a clusterfrick the Russian logistical system is, doesn't it?
But the Ukrainians seem to do fine without pallets.
Ukraine has the West helping its logistics
The Ukrainians use pallets in at least some part of their logistical system. They have to, even if it's just so they can move around the aid shipments. Even if that's where it started, they would have immediately picked up on how much it revolutionizes logistics and put it into service wherever they could.
But do they have enough qualified forklift operators and military forklifts?
Anon, I got forklift certified in an hour. It's not that difficult to teach someone if the instructor and trainee actually give a shit.
Even if they don't have western logistics equipment, they have enough manpower to do all the manual labour of handling unpalleted supplies. Just put some barely trained territorial defence to it. Russia doesn't, it has to be done by the same soldiers who are desperately needed at the front.
>t. forklift certified
May I kiss your feet?
What is the tactical advantage of burdening your enemy with so much of your ammo that it consumes a massive investment of their man hours in resources dealing with your toxic waste dump?
So they just left it? No scorched earth?
Can't deny the enemy assets gotta ABANDOON
I have got one full of ammo right here for ye *unzips willie*
Just the sheer amount of crap that got beat out of the Russian pinata really is mind boggling, T-80's everywhere, support vehicles out the wazoo and more arty than you can shake a stick at.
On top of that there's 100's of tonnes of ammo
Fricking milsurp for days booooys!
Are these all fully operational abandooned Russian armour?
>stupid supplemental question
Does a tank have ignition keys?
>Does a tank have ignition keys?
usually military vehicles don't need keys to start, because the person with the keys could suddenly be dispersed over large area without warning
>you can just take tank home no one will stop you
Literally happened in the US once where a guy stole a Patton out of a NG armory.
What do you do with captured Russian hardware though? Do you use it, do you cannabalise it for parts or do you just sell iaxmpkt for scrap?
Anything related to EW or communications you trade with Western spooks, rest you use to equip few more mechanized units, or turn mechanized to armored.
I understand leaving behind towed artillery and shit but why tanks and other vehicles (unless they were out of fuel)? Beats walking, doesn't it?
You can ditch your uniform for civilian clothes, you can't just disguise a tank.
Obviously you'd keep driving until you're behind R*ssian lines again.
JAVELINS could be here.
If they go back with their equipment, they'll be expected to use it in any counteroffensive. They have no will to fight.
tank doesnt help you when you're surrounded from 3 sides and your escape route involves a river with no bridges left
Russia was jealous of all the cool shit the US left in middle east and felt left out
As a parting gift and apolgy to the people of Ukraine.
>Some Russian peasant in the 70's probably suffered working 12 hours 6 days a weeks making this shit only for it to get abandoned in another country then repurposed and used to kill his grandchildren
Why is it called "salting" ? is any sodium chloride actually used? This makes about as much sense as corned beef which doesn't have any corn.
.t ESL pro
it's a reference to this idea
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salting_the_earth
From the expression "salt the earth", to poison the ground so crops can't grow again. What the Romans supposedly did to Carthage when they defeated it
>corned beef
It is corned just like gun powder is. By forcing it through a mesh.
Before people corned gunpowder it would separate on long journeys and fail to ignite.
By making a paste, then forcing it through a mesh, it stopped this problem. The size of the mesh dictates the grain of the powder.
>Before people corned gunpowder it would separate on long journeys and fail to ignite.
the formation of dust was also a hazard, a spark could make it all go off
https://nitter.it/Caucasuswar/status/1568997031061950474#m
If even a fraction of this stuff makes it to european black markets you can never call us noguns again.
Genuine soviet/russian AK parts kits are back on the menu Yankies.
Reminds me of of stories about Ex-Soviet officials in the 90s selling AKs under their jackets at train stations.