Bakhmut Insanity, What (You) May Not Know

Since August 1st, Russian forces have been "attacking" the city of Bakhmut. I add the quotes because despite it being over 2 months since the offensive has begun, Russian forces still haven't reached the city proper.
But why, even as the Kharkiv, Luhansk, and Kherson fronts collapse, are the Russians still trying to take Bakhmut?
>Because its a major city!
It's not. I'll explain what Bakhmut is.
Bakhmut is the first step towards the actual goal of the Russian offensive, Slovyansk and Kramatorsk. Bakhmut is just one city on what we'll call the "Bakhmut-Soledar-Siversk Line."
After the fall of Sievierdonetsk-Lysychansk, the Russians had made it clear that they would be aiming to take the Donetsk cities of Kramatorsk and Slovyansk, the former being the provisional capital of the Oblast.
However, a Ukrainian defensive line was set up along the T-5 road going North through the blue line in picrel. Breaking that blue line was necessary to start the assault on the orange line, Kramatorsk-Slovyansk.
This assault would've been assisted by subsequent Russian attacks North of the city from Lyman and Izyum.
But over the past month, Russia has lost Lyman and Izyum, meaning any assault on Kramatorsk-Slovyansk will come from the east and only the east. The chances of this succeeding are basically nil. To take Lysychansk and Sievierdonetsk, the Russians had to flank from the south in Popasna and north from Kreminna.
So the attack plans for Kramatorsk and Slovyansk are over. They should be scrapped. And yet, the Russians attack Bakhmut anyways. They continue on with phase 1 of an offensive long dead.
Why? Well, did I ever tell you the definition of insanity?

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Sounds like the problem of the guy in charge of the Northern front. Not the Southern guy's problem and the Center guy's bonus is only contingent on taking Bakhmut.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's almost like not having an overall commander is a bad thing or something

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Sounds like a problem for the guy in charge of the entire front.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        no such thing
        >>>PrepHole

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Putin started micromanaging the front since about June. The fact that you're pre-emptively denying it and calling it a conspiracy theory confirms it.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The folly of an inflexible command structure. Let them waste their guys.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >august
    july actually
    two more weeks btw

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      JFC

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Is that Rumia with her hair colored like the Russian flag?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Jesus
      World is truly surreal place when try to believe russian propaganda

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Bakhmut is the lynchpin of Ukrainian defenses
      They said this about Severdonetsk. They said this about Pisky. That after [insert random town] falls then the entire Ukrainian front will collapse. How do they expect to take Kramatorsk, a city way larger than Bakhmut, if its 2-3 months later and Fagner still hasn't even made it to the urban combat part of Bakhmut? Even Serbia cumchugger Zoka is on twitter saying Bakhmut by 2024.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I like how they say
        >it's totally over after Bakhmut!
        >just wait little more and ukrops will crumble!
        when Sloviansk and Kramatorsk were always expected to be the main defensive line on donbass and russian didn't even get there lmao.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Are the ruskies any close to taking Bakhmut? They’ve been at it for months now

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      they are edging

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      They took a town to the south of it. Looks like the plan is to encircle the western side of the city from south and then ???

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The picture above was from day 180. This picture is day 212. I'd say no.

      https://i.imgur.com/EiVklHI.jpg

      >WE TOTALLY DONT NEED BAKHMUT ANYMORE GUISE!
      New Ukkkrope talking point just dropped huh

      0/10 bait

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's uncanny seeing these old borders. So much work and men thrown into the fray, all to see it disappear in a weak.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      It’s still crazy to me that the Russians failed to hold the Ukrainians at the Oskil river for more than 2 weeks. If Russia could stop the Ukrainians there how are they going to stop them at Svatove? We’ve all seen the pictures of trench diggers heading there so we know their defenses are light.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >WE TOTALLY DONT NEED BAKHMUT ANYMORE GUISE!
    New Ukkkrope talking point just dropped huh

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      RIP

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yes,
        Rest
        In
        Piss

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous
      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        F

        F

        F.

        S. Fuck that dude, I hope he had a wife and kids

        >Ukkkrope
        Just to remind you and specifically you: YWNBAW

        Remind me which side is pro globohomo chud?

        NEW VIDEO OF 9 UKRANIANS DYING BY ARTILLERY JUST DROPPED
        https://streamable.com/bl48gy

        Based

        Gee I can’t wait to see which war crimes the Hohols will commit this week!

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Weak bait, have (you)

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            https://i.imgur.com/mmW7BNY.jpg

            being moron-like isn't trolling, son

            The side with a large amounts of gays in their ranks
            >Russianblowjob.webm

            Fuck off cunt.

            https://i.imgur.com/YYKYvBC.jpg

            that'd be your side, prancing la la homo

            I didn’t read. At the end of the day, Russia still has more class than Ukraine. Ukraine..the bastard spawn turned puppet of globohomo.. too late will they realize they are culturally and genetically closer to Russia than they are with the mutt west. Oh well, I hope they enjoy being flooded with morons :*~~) like Polan
            The piggies keep mistaking Russian weakness for kindness but Russia will have the last laugh

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous
            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >mistaking weakness for kindness
              Oof. What’s next, Russia was a sheep in wolves clothing?

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >flooding with africans

              Funny, I thought your lot was bringing in africans to fight for you since your men are fleeing as fast as they can

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >I hope they enjoy being flooded with morons

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous
            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              The glowies have your ip and you are in a list. I hope you know that gay.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >mistaking Russian weakness for kindness
              too obvious.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous
          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You should fear a skinny bear as they will eat anything they can catch.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >anything they can catch.
              being the optimal phrase there, not get absolutely BTFO in part of their own incompetence

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            More like pic rel

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          being moron-like isn't trolling, son

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          The side with a large amounts of gays in their ranks
          >Russianblowjob.webm

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Fuck off cunt.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          that'd be your side, prancing la la homo

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Based
          why are you celebrating rusky deaths tho?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Remind me which side is pro globohomo chud?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          [...]
          [...]
          [...]
          [...]
          [...]
          I didn’t read. At the end of the day, Russia still has more class than Ukraine. Ukraine..the bastard spawn turned puppet of globohomo.. too late will they realize they are culturally and genetically closer to Russia than they are with the mutt west. Oh well, I hope they enjoy being flooded with morons :*~~) like Polan
          The piggies keep mistaking Russian weakness for kindness but Russia will have the last laugh

          Lots of PrepHoleommandos seem to have forgotten but I haven't.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            |_T_|T_

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Pretending to be retarded = being a retard
            It's post-Irony all the way down where everybody is taken at face value and if you're a retard you will be called as such
            >inb4 I was only pretending
            doesn't matter anymore

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              It matters in that some of the people impersonating vatniks do so to foster vatnik hate and counter their propaganda by making it even more boring and deranged than it is.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >boring and deranged than it is
                Seems mutually exclusive
                The more deranged the cope is the funnier it gets

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Remind me which side is pro globohomo chud?
          Yours

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >we didn't need kyiv
      >we didn't need kharkiv
      >we didn't need chernihiv
      >we didn't need snake island
      >we didn't need balakiliya
      >we didn't need kupyansk
      >we didn't need izyum
      >we didn't need whole of kharkiv oblast
      >we didn't need 1/3 of the right bank of the dnipro
      YOU ARE HERE
      want to see how far this rabbit hole will go, dumbfuck?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Seethe, cope, dilitate

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >*Angry Russian dick sucking noises*
          lol!

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >marines aren't facing each other
            Try again.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              They were, try again.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >phonemoron
          opinion discarded

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >posting a Kievmeme and pretending it somehow applies to the other side

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      F

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      it's a developer of Metro video game btw

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Shit.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I think that Metro and Stalker are basically gone now.
        Though in the remote possibility that they return, I bet they will shit on russians so damn hard.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Last I heard, the Metro author had an outstanding warrant for his arrest because he wouldn’t stop criticizing the war.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I don't think he lives in Russia anymore though, so he probably doesn't care at all.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I can only hope. Stalker 2 is still in development but it has been obviously pushed back. Metro I have not heard any news. But I don't see them stopping. Exodus was possibly the best game they ever released, and I can only see them trying to top it.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Can't imagine they would be in the mood to make a game about a post-apocalyptic Eastern Europe after the war.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            revenge porn against pussia

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Can't imagine they would be in the mood to make a game about a post-apocalyptic Eastern Europe after the war.
            Someone will. There will definitely be a market for some facsimile of a Ukraine war game

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Consider this:
            >post-apocalyptic Eastern European game where you obliterate Russia again
            I can see the vibe going from "everyone's just fucking ready to be dead" to "everyone's got a desire to take that anger out on the fuckers who caused this."

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I think that Metro and Stalker are basically gone now.
        Though in the remote possibility that they return, I bet they will shit on russians so damn hard.

        >Wow, we got picked up that Microsoft money, our future looks better than ever!
        >Everyone has either fled for safety, ran away from their home to the capital, or volunteered in the Ukraine Territorial Defense

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Imagine how they can improve combat AI, weapon animations, etc. after seeing it first hand though.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I don't think fighting the Russians could teach you much about better AI.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      F

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      F.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Ukkkrope
      Just to remind you and specifically you: YWNBAW

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      F

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      F, and i didnt even like Metro 2033

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    By the way, the situation in Pisskey is almost exactly the same as this, but on an even smaller and more pathetic level. I'll make a thread about how Pisskey is only phase 1 of what is supposed to be a much larger operation tomorrow maybe.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Don't you fucking dare dishonour all those who died assaulting the Quadrodimensional Superfortress Piss-key

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Pisky is the key to everything.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The problem with all this talk of "Oh Noes The Vatniks conquered The 'Pisky Supercitadel' "
      "Oh Noes, The Ukies reconquered it!"
      "Nuh Uh! Fake News! The Vatniks still hold it!"....

      There are at least a dozen towns in Ukraine named Pisky. Like every raion in every oblast has a Pisky.
      Pisky's are to Ukraine what Starbucks franchises are to college towns.

      So the next time someone declares "Pisky has been taken by X" you have to ask "Which one?"

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        That's why people specify "n dimensional HyperFortress Pissky" anon, so you know which one they are talking about

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        The one who controls all the Piskys controls the universe

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          So....Pisky's are like, what, a Diablo Waypoint?

          If so, that would be a great boon to logistics.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      tbh it's a pretty good grift if this

      Bakhmut is a con played by the violinists (russkie code for Wagner) on the Russian Military. They get paid for completing objectives, mainly taking land and ensuring mobiks get to fill the positions before moving on. Problem is, it is never specified how much land they need to capture to get their monetary award. As such you get the situation of “Kodema hill” where Wagner parades around the capture of a small barrow in Donetsk oblast and demand compensation for it. If Rus Army refuses, Wagner can walk away and they are some of the few experienced people on the front, so their army handlers are forced to congratulate and pay them for every captured hill. That is why the Bakhmut advance is so slow, because Wagner is purposely taking it as slow as possible to ensure the biggest payout for themselves. These are the people vatnik telegrams justifiably call traitors.

      is true. Occasionally fire a couple shells and occasionally advance into empty fields then retreat if they are shot at. this war probably isn't going to be won by mad and courageous advances, just make a good effort at a place that doesn't really matter and have a comfy time roving from base to base or trench to trench with your winter clothes bought with Russian rewards monies and then surrender if dying is actually a threat

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Are you retrded? The Orb of Pisskey is the reason for this war in the first place

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Bakhmut is a con played by the violinists (russkie code for Wagner) on the Russian Military. They get paid for completing objectives, mainly taking land and ensuring mobiks get to fill the positions before moving on. Problem is, it is never specified how much land they need to capture to get their monetary award. As such you get the situation of “Kodema hill” where Wagner parades around the capture of a small barrow in Donetsk oblast and demand compensation for it. If Rus Army refuses, Wagner can walk away and they are some of the few experienced people on the front, so their army handlers are forced to congratulate and pay them for every captured hill. That is why the Bakhmut advance is so slow, because Wagner is purposely taking it as slow as possible to ensure the biggest payout for themselves. These are the people vatnik telegrams justifiably call traitors.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      tbh it's a pretty good grift if this
      [...] is true. Occasionally fire a couple shells and occasionally advance into empty fields then retreat if they are shot at. this war probably isn't going to be won by mad and courageous advances, just make a good effort at a place that doesn't really matter and have a comfy time roving from base to base or trench to trench with your winter clothes bought with Russian rewards monies and then surrender if dying is actually a threat

      Wagneroids who are the bulk of russian forces in bakhmut are probably getting paid only for being active in that specific area and nowhere else. It wouldn't be weird if monke signed a x-months contract with them in July and it's still in power despite the kharkov front collapsing

      Truth is much simpler than that. Fagner is just a bunch of yesterday's gopniks and prisoners that no one cares about and therefore they always thrown at dumbest suicidal shit. They don't do anything because they literally can't, all their core cadre is long gone, their whole personnel been killed and rerecruited several times over during this war. Only thing that makes them more efficient than all other russian army is that they need to do less paperwork.

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    From the get go, the operation has been driven not by sound military intellect but by Putin's ego. They are constantly chasing PR goals rather than military goals and endlessly failing because of it

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    So Bakhmut is the new Pisky?

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    You've heard of Ptoemkin villages? This is a Potemkin offensive.
    POTEMKO POTEMKO POTEMKO

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      POTEMKIN BUSTAAA

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    NEW VIDEO OF 9 UKRANIANS DYING BY ARTILLERY JUST DROPPED
    https://streamable.com/bl48gy

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >new
      >April
      More krococop

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        It is actually a bunch of russians getting killed by arty.

        [...]
        [...]
        [...]
        S. Fuck that dude, I hope he had a wife and kids
        [...]
        Remind me which side is pro globohomo chud?
        [...]
        Based

        Gee I can’t wait to see which war crimes the Hohols will commit this week!

        How dare them kill russian troops? Omg

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ukrainians punched air in the harkov while Russians assault bakhmut

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Sevierdonetsk and Lysychansk
    Man, that's a nostalgia trip. Anyone else remember spending the whole summer zoomed in on the imminently-collapsing-kotel?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      was good times

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Wagneroids who are the bulk of russian forces in bakhmut are probably getting paid only for being active in that specific area and nowhere else. It wouldn't be weird if monke signed a x-months contract with them in July and it's still in power despite the kharkov front collapsing

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    inb4 the Ukrainians break the line at Vuhledar in the coming days and by extension fuck the Russian efforts at Bakhmut.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Thanks Doc.

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'd add that because Putin needs to sell success to placate the Russian information space, Bakhmut and the outskirts of Donestk are valuable because they are the only areas of the front where they can go over to the attack consistently. It's symbolic rather than operational.

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    this was from another attack on Bakhmut/Soledar from two days ago

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      So, why are you posting screenshots and not video, you incompetent glavset hooker?

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Prigozhin wants to raise his stocks and has 10k prisoners to spare.

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Have some related tankie cope

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    What map is that? I like how the units are marked.

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