Bakhmut

In hindsight it's kind of crazy to think how large scale the battle of Bakhmut was with up to 100k dead altogether. Genuinely when was the last time since WW2/Korea we saw a battle like this? Maybe during Iran/Iraq?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Iran/iraq still is the biggest conflict since korea but at this rate ukraine/russia is going to match it in a couple of years.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yes, but those are brown and don't count
      otherwise you'd also have to include the frickups in the congo

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No, Africa does not count. Middle east and Asia count. Iraqis and Iranians can be smart if they got rid of Islam.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >yes, but those are brown and don't count
        And so are you, so what's the problem?

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    That little statement about victory took most of the year so far and dozens of arguments on wikisneedia to get there because nobody can agree on if it's even "finished" as a battle now that they just fight on the outskirts

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Still crazy to think what happened afterwards with the whole Wagner/Pringles mutiny. Could be the final arc of this war if he didn't pussy out assaulting Kremlin in the last moment. Then a new Russian civil war would drop, with land grabs by other countries and denuclearization of Russia. Holy kek.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Tragedy that we'll either be elderly when we get to learn what happened behind the scenes or dead

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Pringles man was a pretty smart guy but he made one mistake. Trusting Russians. He should have known better.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I feel like it's still underreported that a private merc corp tried to launch a coup d'etat in the world's largest nuclear power. Like 99% of normies just forgot about this event entirely kek.

        Still crazy to think what happened afterwards with the whole Wagner/Pringles mutiny. Could be the final arc of this war if he didn't pussy out assaulting Kremlin in the last moment. Then a new Russian Civil War would drop, with land grabs by other countries and denuclearization of Russia. Holy kek.

        People don't even know Prigos was just a figurehead, this is Metal Gear Solid levels of kino.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I miss him bros

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I feel like it's still underreported that a private merc corp tried to launch a coup d'etat in the world's largest nuclear power. Like 99% of normies just forgot about this event entirely kek.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The whole thing being resolved in under 24 hours is probably why but it is insane that it ever happened at all. What's even crazier is that they were totally unopposed (sans FSB family kidnapping). The government forces at the checkpoints just let them by.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Don't you remember that it was all just a clever ploy to have Wagner move to Belarus from where they could secretly open up another front?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I feel like this entire war is still underreported... I know its one of the most reported events in history but still, there is a gaint european war between its two largest nation states thats been going on for multiple years now and everyone just got used to it lol.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    They won. I hate to admit it, but we straight up lost the city to them. They've also taken Ivanivsk (the last stop before Bakhmut when I was deployed there), and they're assaulting Chasiv Yar right now (where we had our CCP during that deployment). It fricking sucked and command insisted on us trying to hold the city for months past the point where the situation was fricked and it was time to pull out.
    t. medicanon

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      they 'won' by moving a line on a map a mile east, if america took 50,000 casualties taking Baghdad would anyone call that a American victory?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        NTA. But you can call it a Pyrrhic victory or a tactical victory but strategic defeat if you think the losses are going to have an impact on the rest of the war, but if Ruskies were fighting to take it and Ukies were fighting to keep , and the Ruskies took it then they won the battle. Everything else is cope.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >would anyone call that a American victory?
        With America it's different. Not winning hard enough is a defeat according to chomskyites. You can flat out win a war as the US (Korea, arguably Iraq) by achieving your main strategic objectives as well as being victorious in the field and still have it be remembered as a defeat because some fee fees were hurt and some enemies still survive.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >they 'won' by moving a line on a map a mile east
        That's what winning is you fricking moron.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It was a costly victory, but they still accomplished their objective and the end of the battle was a catastrophically disorganized retreat for us. Yeah. we killed a lot of them. I also ended up treating a huge percentage of the guys I deployed with. My unit was down to something like 25% of it's original capability by the end of that mess. Almost every single time I had patients during the last six weeks or so it was a mascal. Shit fricking sucked.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          [...]
          They won. I hate to admit it, but we straight up lost the city to them. They've also taken Ivanivsk (the last stop before Bakhmut when I was deployed there), and they're assaulting Chasiv Yar right now (where we had our CCP during that deployment). It fricking sucked and command insisted on us trying to hold the city for months past the point where the situation was fricked and it was time to pull out.
          t. medicanon

          This is one of the few examples of decent ziggershilling I've seen in the last year. Most ziggershills of your quality have been sent out to the meatslaughter and replaced with poos. When do you think your turn will finally come?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >every thread is a slide thread
            >every anon is a vatnik shill
            This war really broke /k/

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Nah I'm heading out for my fourth rotation soon. I don't think the war is lost at all. I think Russia is overextended as frick and they're about to pay hard for it. I'm just realistic about how things are.

            >they're assaulting Chasiv Yar right now
            Chasiv Yar comes under attack fairly regularly and has done for over a year now. You can't present this as progress.

            They've been taking more positions on the outskirts. The glide bombs are a fricking problem.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              R u ukrainian or foreign?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Foreign fighter. Been here since March 2022. Have a Ukrainian wife now.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're not the M2 Humvee bro are you?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >zigger
            >poos
            Braindamage confirmed.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >>poos
              >Braindamage confirmed.
              >Posts zigger stuff
              Lol lmao even

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Is this the current turret toss world record?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Based on what I saw it's gold medal for sure

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >they're assaulting Chasiv Yar right now
      Chasiv Yar comes under attack fairly regularly and has done for over a year now. You can't present this as progress.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wait, are you the guy who told that story about that drunk brit who had sausages stuffed into his after he broke his superior's jaw and had to be beat up afterwards?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That could have been me (I was there for that), but that story has really made rounds. He actually broke his best friend's jaw and then stabbed two other guys including the dude in charge. And yes the sausage was in his ass. I hate bongs so much.

        You're not the M2 Humvee bro are you?

        Nope.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    They took the city. Was it worth the trouble? Maybe not. Did they achieve their tactical objective? Yes.

    Costly victories and pyrrhic victories are still victories.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bakhmut is what taught everyone that in the current dynamic and balance of power that Ukraine’s purely defensive strategy won’t win them the war. Maybe they felt that being defensive is all they could do, and maybe they’re right, but what Bakhmut showed was that tough positional warfare based on attrition wasn’t enough to stop Russia. It’s where Russia found their winning strategy: use of disposable troops to fix enemy positions for repeated artillery strikes until the position is gone. It’s also where Ukraine went all-in on drones (I think I read that like 1/3rd of the units there were drone units) and where the war was first characterized as “ww1 with drones”.

    Anyway I can’t wait until a real military historian writes a book about it. I’m going to have so much fun reading about this war when actual historians start coming out with books for it. So much to cover.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > Bakhmut showed was that tough positional warfare based on attrition wasn’t enough to stop Russia
      ok cool, but they don't have the men to pull the same strategy again. this was a one time thing, wagner no longer exists as a meaningful force because of this operation ffs

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They pulled it again in Avdiivka. It just fell a lot faster because Ukraine couldn’t mount nearly as a strong of a defense. They’re pulling it right now across the front. It’s their strategy now.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          what? avdiivka was taken because the kvs finally got forced off its ass and started flying 24/7 glide bomb sorties, mixed with ukraine literally running out of fricking artillery ammo. the horrendous armoured assaults did nothing on their own

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          avdiivka is also literal walking distance from Donetsk centre and railyard

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >they don't have the men to pull the same strategy again.
          They already did it again, in Avdiivka.

          The capture of Avdiivka relied heavily on avaition-dropped glide bombs, so much so that for almost 2 weeks straight Russia's airplane losses amounted to one plane every day.
          Basically Russia went from using one unsustainable trading it for another.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >so much so that for almost 2 weeks straight Russia's airplane losses amounted to one plane every day.
            Anon, you do realize that even in the absolutely pro-ukrainian corner they are laughing at those silly claims, right? Right?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Sure, and the Russian war machine just decided to stop on the opposite outskirts of Aviivka for litereally no reason at all, instead of continuing the obviously sustainable strategy that they had just discovered.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >they don't have the men to pull the same strategy again.
        They already did it again, in Avdiivka.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Bakhmut is what taught everyone that in the current dynamic and balance of power that Ukraine’s purely defensive strategy won’t win them the war.
      What it taught everyone is what they already knew, that Russians have no qualms about sacrificing their troops en masse for minute, worthless territorial gains. They'll gleefully keep going in droves into a killzone like lemmings if they're told to, and seeing the place littered with their people is not something their AFS brains can process as a sign of danger.
      People with this collective dementia cannot win a war, let alone any engagement, even with numerical advantage.
      Russia is a humanitarian crisis in the shape of a country.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The problem with that strategy is that it hasn't achieved anything
      Yeah they took balhmut, but that's ALL they took. There was no break through and the front lines across that region have barely moved since
      So what has taking bakhmut actually achieved for Russia?

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    take meds

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      catch a drone

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    What do the taliban have to do with Korea or even Iraq?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Just Russians pining for an ex that fricked their ass raw.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The crazy thing about Bakhmut is that it was, and still is, strategically insignificant. The importance of it for russia was essentially showing that Wagner was a real force and that Prig deserved more power and respect. Whereas for Ukraine it was important simply because of the concentration of forces that russia had there. Dumbest place to fight such a big battle. Strategically it would've been better to use those wagner meat waves against locations that once captured would enable russia to be in a better position to stage a breakthrough. Instead it was a meatgrinder for no gain.

    This war is a comedy.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The thing is that it was important early in the war because Russia could use Bakhmut and Izyum to threaten Sloviansk, but after they got thunder run'd and bogged down it lost its significance. Everything after that was basically just yet another manifestation of Putin's sunk cost fallacy, it gutted inordinate amounts of equipment and manpower while giving Russia little to show for it (aside from Priggy's mutiny ofc). Had they not committed to Bakhmut like that, they wouldn't be relying on golf carts and Nepalese mercs so much now.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If the Ukies didn't grind their troops into this shithole they would've swept across the border already.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    They control and they took it. It’s a Russian victory. Now how long it took and what they lost to take it is still embarrassing. Whether that’s worth it is also debatable (it wasn’t worth it), but they won

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Pyrrhic victories are still victories

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >just 2 more backyards, meat wave 7694

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