Bahmut

A few weeks ago I made a thread about Bahmut falling sooner or later and predicting a new offensive against Kiev from Belarus.
>inb4 russian shill
I am not.

What are your predictions, what will Ukraine and Russia do after Bahmut falls?

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  1. 1 year ago
    All Fields

    >I am not a russian shill
    Yeah ok sure thing buddy

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Do "people" like you consciously try to be as moronic as humanly possible, or can you really not help it?
      I have never seen as much inorganic, blatant shilling as on /k/ for the last year/

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >sucks to suck
      >blow by blow
      Man, guy should have changed his name to Richard before publishing.

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It’s a war of attrition and Russia is being attrited at an unsustainable daily rate. Putin’s RF will collapse before Kyiv does.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Russia can't do much outside of slowly grinding forward hoping Ukraine will eventually abandon the Donetsk Oblast. If they reshuffle their troops and use their airforce to a way larger extent they might attempt a larger offensive, but if that fails they'll be left with nothing
      Ukraine is still getting more stuff from the West, but I think they're feeling some pressure to use them in a successful counterattack to prove this war isn't turning into a stalemate

      latest facts
      >severe problems with Ukrainian mobilization
      >Russia will not run out of ammo
      >where are the Abrams?

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Bakhmut was projected to fall since October, the fact it held 3 weeks is embarrassing for Russia, let alone 8 months
    >What will Ukraine do
    Move 10 miles east and have russia do it all over again, with less men and materials than last time.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      10 miles west*

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Counter attack, ten miles east.

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      TROLLED!1!11!1!!!

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    "I"m just not, okay?"

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Assuming Ukraine retreats from Bakhmut, they'll just set up shop down the road. That's it. Russia will claim its a huge victory and then try and muster up more troops for the next suicidal charge. This will keep happening until Ukraine goes on the offensive or until the Russian army collapses in on itself. Russia doesn't have the capability to make large scale offensives and Ukraine has no reason to quit fighting.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Bakhmut was a bigger offensive than anything Ukraine has done. Kherson was a month of failed offensives at tremendous cost to the Ukrainians, until the Russians supply constraints forced them to retreat. Ukrainian offensives failed because they were just charging straight at fortified Russian positions. HIMARSing the bridges and threatening a siege is what forced the Russians back. Kharkiv was an attack on a weak point created by the operations in Kherson. Relatively few assets were used compared to the amount of armor Russia used to take Bakhmut, because they were taking on DPR conscripts while the Russian pros had gone south.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Kherson was a month of failed offensives at tremendous cost to the Ukrainians
        there's zero proof of this happening stop being moronic.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Was reported in reliable western media sources

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Much obliged

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Let’s see them

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Don't you remember? Haven't you been following this war?
              https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/09/07/ukraine-kherson-offensive-casualties-ammunition/
              There was another one in the FT but I cba finding it rn

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Russia lost 50% of their VDV forces up to this point. Admitted it on TV too.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Changing the subject a bit but okay

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Not really, VDV were the ones defending Kherson.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >because they were taking on DPR conscripts while the Russian pros had gone south.
        It was DPR/LPR, SOBR and reservists (BARS units).

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          And an entire armored corps.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        A bigger offensive that yielded little in the ways of results. There wasn’t a breakthrough, nor did Ukrainian lines collapse. even if they did keep pushing and actually managed to take the town, it’s very unlikely that it would cause a breakthrough or any sort of actual strategic gain

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          That's true, but that's because the Russians are also dogshit fighters. Just like the Ukrainians. Both fight in the Soviet manner (incompetent)

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Yes that’s precisely my point. Russia has been rather incapable of a good modern offensive, from the unit to the individual level. Their troops seem to refuse to use cover or disperse themselves, and the strategy of this offensive has just been to push forward mindlessly, no suppression or anything. Ukraine might be similar but their lack of collapse on any sector shows that they’re at least capable of competently defending

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Well my point is Bakhmut is actually a fortified position. Despite their Neanderthal tactics to get there, the Russians have taken it. Ukraine hasn't done anything with that degree of difficulty yet, it's what awaits them in the south. And if they attack in the traditional Soviet manner, they are fricked.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >the Russians have taken Bakhmut
                well, that's pretty big news. I hadn't heard that yet.

                When did this happen? Any news reports you can link me to? I'd like to read up on it.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Ukraine hasn't done anything with that degree of difficulty yet, it's what awaits them in the south.
                Russia has spent 8 years preparing defenses in Southern Ukraine?
                Or did they just pay some Uzbeks to dig a trench and then refuse to pay them half way thru?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Bigger offense I’ve than Ukraine has ever done
        >still hasn’t captured a single small town.

        Not selling me on Russia strong here

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Kherson was a month of failed offensives at tremendous cost to the Ukrainians

        I'm sure you have some source for this claim?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          He’s talking about the buildup to Kharkiv where the Ukrainians were launching pinning attacks designed to keep Russian eyes on Kherson. Since this attacks were contested with decent casualties on both sides they’re declaring them stunning Ukrainian failures, despite them doing exactly what they were designed to and they even got Kherson later to boot.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >month of failed offensives
        So Bakhmut is worth seven Khersons?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Kherson was a failure
        >except for the part where they kneecapped our logistics and forced us to retreat and they took Kherson
        >Bakhmut isn't a failure though even though we've taken six times longer to spend far, far more and take significantly less
        >Kharkiv also doesn't count because the broke through a weak point
        >real offensives are when you send thousands of mobiks and penal battalions to die in minefields and artillery ranges for months on end with hardly anything to show for it
        Hearing a lot of excuses, not seeing too much in terms of results.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Jomini is a fricking artist

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Russian pros
        don't exist.

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Russia can't do much outside of slowly grinding forward hoping Ukraine will eventually abandon the Donetsk Oblast. If they reshuffle their troops and use their airforce to a way larger extent they might attempt a larger offensive, but if that fails they'll be left with nothing
    Ukraine is still getting more stuff from the West, but I think they're feeling some pressure to use them in a successful counterattack to prove this war isn't turning into a stalemate

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >what will Ukraine and Russia do after Bahmut falls?
    Start inching towards Slovenlyansk and Kramatorsk and spend another 6+ months attacking it with heavy casualties. Idk if Russia will be able to take those cities as well since Wagner has done the heavy lifting in Bakhmut and Prigozhin keeps screeching on telegram about his his men are taking unsustainable casualties because Shoigu won’t give him ammo.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

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    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >inching towards Slovenlyansk and Kramatorsk and spend another 6+ months attacking it with heavy casualties
      Bakhmut was supposed to be a temporary speed bump, intended to delay vatnik meat waves for a week or two. They STILL have not taken it, nine months later. Slovenlyansk and Kramatorsk have been nothing but fortified and hardened this entire time. Time has already run out for vatnikstan. They have nothing left that would take those cities in 2 years, if ever.

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      FRICK

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      What a c**t. Did you lose the game?

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Ukraine will eventually fall. It is inevitable. But not before we pump a quarter-trillion $ into it. That money will obviously disappear.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >R-Russia is guaranteed to win so please guys, stop supporting Ukraine
      Gee I wonder who's behind this post

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >I made a thread about Bahmut falling
    we have few of those every day, thanks for being one of the wienerroaches

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    So doctrinally, modern military defenses are designed around a very lightly defended forward positions with many deeper layers and mobile reserves to reinforce. This works rather well and if done properly Can prevent any breakthroughs and collapses of the line, and even opens the door to counter attacks. However the downside is that the forward positions are almost always lost and the enemy gains a few kms, kinda like how the Russians have been “gaining” ground.
    They could take bakhmut if they keep beating their heads against the brick wall that is a defense, but it’s gonna be at such atrocious losses and with little in the ways of strategic or tactical gains

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >What are your predictions, what will Ukraine and Russia do after Bahmut falls?
    I raise another question, lets say Russia occupies whole Ukraine. What will Russia do? They can't do COIN operation, due to the lack of experience, money and personnel. What will Russians do then?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Eventually the city will fall. If Russia can move enough artillery on the high ground west of Bakhmut, they significantly degrade the ability of the Ukrainians to defend the remainders of Donbas. I would argue that that is more or less their game plan and after taking as much as possible until next mid season, dig in at the LOC.
      The most interesting developments of the coming months will be whether Russia can establish a solid foothold on that high ground and when and where Ukraine goes on the offensive.

      Fail, which is why the entire operation was moronic from the start. Ukraine had two pro western uprisings in the span of ten years. Even if Russia installs a puppet in Kiev, their days are numbered.
      I didn’t understand why they invaded in the first place and literally said 23rd of February that they wouldn’t invade because it made no sense at all.

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Bakhmut was literally meant to last one week to allow piggers set up a second line of defense. It's been holding up for seven months now

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I like how even when the asiatic shills are doing their virtue signaling/concern trolling/“I’m not a shill guise” meme, where they try to pretend they’re not some mongroid Russian, they still refuse to use the western/Ukrainian spelling of Kyiv.

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >l-l-look at how smart i am!
    >i made the exact same prediction literally everybody did back in October!
    absolute midwit.
    if you want to be intelligent than provide a realistic reason why a minor crossroads is so vital to russia that they gleefully sacrifice 30,000 men for it in unsupported infantry assaults

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Its all conjecture at this point. Even with all the stuff we see and hear every day, we still don't have the clearest picture of what the state the wars in. It looks like russias squandering capability and time trying to take some dubiously valuable towns. While that's going on Ukraines trying its ass off to accept an influx of new unfamiliar vehicles and training people to use them. The presumption is that Ukraine will press these into an attack but when and where is a mystery right now likely bets are south to cut Crimea off and to force the remaining Russians in the Kherson front to withdraw to Crimea, while also cutting the large eastern front down a bit. If they don't do that, maybe they'll commit them to an attack in the east targeting russian logistics avenues.

    If Russia's planning a Belarus offensive theyd better hurry.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Uncertainty is very high and we actually know very little about the state of the war. Both sides are trying their best to distort the available information for obvious reasons.

      https://i.imgur.com/DEYJyI0.jpg

      >A few weeks ago I made a thread about Bahmut falling sooner or later
      Bakhmut has been falling sooner or later for several months now, but since izium was liberated nobody understands why the russians even wants bakhmut.
      https://www.forbes.com/sites/sebastienroblin/2022/10/16/in-pictures-russian-forces-assault-world-war-i-hellscape-at-bakhmut/

      It’s to gain access to the high ground west of Bakhmut. The edges of that are a very defensible natural obstacle. Moving artillery onto that high ground puts a lot of important staging areas and logistical knots in the ukrainian controlled Donbas into range.

      Geographically it's worthless. Taking it doesn't benefit them in any way (apart from propaganda purposes)

      consider the following:

      -russia can't launch any large offensives across open fields, the moment they muster 2k+ troops in a single spot they get vaporized by missiles
      -even if they found a way to counter this, they have run out of tanks, jets and artillery, making such advances slow and costly
      -ukraine is receiving more and more advanced weapon systems such as tanks and maybe even jets, making such hypothetical attacks even costlier
      -these advanced weapons aren't super useful fighting in crowded cities with tall buildings (tanks could get stuck, fall into ditches, advance into traps etc)
      -if russia stops attacking ukraine will relocate 10k troops from various parts of the front and launch a huge offensive towards melitopol and then maripol
      -russia has, approximately, 7 or 8 million recruitable fighting age men, 3x to 5x more than ukraine, and the longer this war goes on, more and more ukranians will probably migrate to western europe seeking a better life.

      if you put these together, you realize that russia's best chance to defeat ukraine is to exhaust their manpower until they suffer a demographic collapse. and the best way to exhaust their manpower is to fight a battle of attrition inside a big city.
      Germany used the same strategy against france in WW1, and it sort of succeeded. france did suffer a demographic crisis because of the war.
      it's not a good plan, but there are not real alternatives. what else can they do? nothing.

      ukraine can't really retreat and try to fight them in the open because there are a bunch of other small cities right next to bahkmut. if they leave, russia will just use the same tactic elsewhere.
      so ukraine's best way forward is to willingly fight this battle of attrition and hope they can maintain a 10:1 kdr. It's a contest of endurance, where the first to suffer demographic collapse loses.

      I tend to disagree. It’s one of the important crossroads that give access to the high ground west of the city. Putting a lot of artillery up there with the ability to supply it through Bakhmut is important in the russian campaign to take over the entirety of Donbas.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        > Both sides are trying their best to distort the available information

        “Both sides are the same!” Screeches the lying vatnik shill. You could just leave homosexual. You invaded a sovereign country where you not wanted.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Moving artillery onto that high ground puts a lot of...
        ...GMLRS from HIMARS onto every single one of those artillery pieces

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    most of the experienced military on both sides have already been knocked out. This is a battle of two mobik armies now. Russia has a larger mobilization resource, and they are gradually learning, they have the ability to rotate. I really don't like this uki bros...

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >A few weeks ago I made a thread about Bahmut falling sooner or later
    Bakhmut has been falling sooner or later for several months now, but since izium was liberated nobody understands why the russians even wants bakhmut.
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/sebastienroblin/2022/10/16/in-pictures-russian-forces-assault-world-war-i-hellscape-at-bakhmut/

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Geographically it's worthless. Taking it doesn't benefit them in any way (apart from propaganda purposes)

      consider the following:

      -russia can't launch any large offensives across open fields, the moment they muster 2k+ troops in a single spot they get vaporized by missiles
      -even if they found a way to counter this, they have run out of tanks, jets and artillery, making such advances slow and costly
      -ukraine is receiving more and more advanced weapon systems such as tanks and maybe even jets, making such hypothetical attacks even costlier
      -these advanced weapons aren't super useful fighting in crowded cities with tall buildings (tanks could get stuck, fall into ditches, advance into traps etc)
      -if russia stops attacking ukraine will relocate 10k troops from various parts of the front and launch a huge offensive towards melitopol and then maripol
      -russia has, approximately, 7 or 8 million recruitable fighting age men, 3x to 5x more than ukraine, and the longer this war goes on, more and more ukranians will probably migrate to western europe seeking a better life.

      if you put these together, you realize that russia's best chance to defeat ukraine is to exhaust their manpower until they suffer a demographic collapse. and the best way to exhaust their manpower is to fight a battle of attrition inside a big city.
      Germany used the same strategy against france in WW1, and it sort of succeeded. france did suffer a demographic crisis because of the war.
      it's not a good plan, but there are not real alternatives. what else can they do? nothing.

      ukraine can't really retreat and try to fight them in the open because there are a bunch of other small cities right next to bahkmut. if they leave, russia will just use the same tactic elsewhere.
      so ukraine's best way forward is to willingly fight this battle of attrition and hope they can maintain a 10:1 kdr. It's a contest of endurance, where the first to suffer demographic collapse loses.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        fuk thats bleak, i hope youre wrong but feels like youre exactly right.

        this war turned from cool to heinous a few months in. we should have sent them more shit quicker.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Ukraine can’t win on its own
          Very subtle and organic

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            It literally can't.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Well honestly from a defensive standpoint, the way this war has turned out doesn’t seem so bad. But Ukraine could improve a lot. I’ve noticed they’re making extensive use of rather unconcealed trench lines and rather low dispersion. Which sucks because while russian arty has basically died down to a near parity with Ukrainian arty, that is still russias biggest advantage. Ukraine could completely negate that by having their forward defensive positions way more dispersed, concealed, and covered. That’ll basically make Russian arty spam even more useless. Plus that frees up a lot of troops to be put in a mobile reserve, opening the door to counter attacks more often. The only downside would be Russia “gaining” ground at the very forward positions, but this already seems to be the case so whatever.
          tl;dr cover and dispersion will win

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >concern trolling
            You are laying it on too thick vatBlack person

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Did you read what I wrote?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          You do have to understand for it to get to that point the sheer number of dead Russians will be absoultely horrific.
          Sure, they CAN mobilise more, but is it actually worth it if Ukraine is willing to defensively fight them to the end? If they end up with even a 5:1 ratio and only stay on the defensive with Russians non stop attacking the entire war, they will have effectively caused Russian demographic collapse all by their own.

          Russia will have to stop attacking, the disadvantages are just too great and the people just wont accept it, Ukraine with the help of longer range artillery and western support can more easily weather a stagnant line than Russia, as long as it maintains that support and China doesn't help too much.

          It's not as bleak as you think.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >best way to exhaust their manpower is to fight a battle of attrition inside a big city
        Wrong, the best way to exhaust manpower is to breakthrough and cut enemy formations off from supplies.

        Bouncing rubble with artillery is a cope tactic for when you can't do anything else.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >cope tactic for when you can't do anything else.
          that's why he's suggesting it you stupid frick

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Russian telegrams are claiming that Ukraine will set off a chemical false flag when bakhmut falls

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    This concern trolling would be cute and all, if you know, they would not try to capture it for 10 months now. Even if the place get sucked into a black hole, it doesnt matter. It already server its purpose as 21. century's verdun

  22. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Anyone's guess really, while I have little doubt about Bakhmut falling eventually, I feel like it wouldn't impact the overall frontline that much, there are still defensive positions after it so Donbass isn't being taken anytime soon
    As for Belarus, ehhh mud season has pretty much started so it will be a nothingburger until at least April, after that we will have to see whether it actually happens or if it will go the way of the russian or ukrainian winter offensive

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It won’t really impact anything because the Russians will probably just push the Ukrainians out, rather than breakthrough and collapse their lines. Strategically it’s a mixed bag for Ukraine as they lose the city, but Russia has been completely unable to actually breakthrough or collapse their lines. Strategically it’s a lot of casualties and lost material for a town and an unbroken front

  23. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Have Russian troops moved through Belarus before, or do you think the past year of Russian incompetence persuaded Lukashenko to let them through?

  24. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >"I'm not a russian shill goys, I swear!"
    >"Kiev"
    You're making this way too easy

  25. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >What are your predictions,
    A drone will drop you a surprise when you least expect it.

  26. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Bahmut falling sooner or later
    I thought that much was obvious
    >a new offensive against Kiev from Belarus
    I wouldn't be surprised, but I really can't see them being successful with this. They fricked it up when they had surprise and all their well trained dudes. Now Ukraine knows they might try it and is flooded with western weapons.
    >What are your predictions, what will Ukraine and Russia do after Bahmut falls?
    Russia will keep pushing towards taking the Donbass and Zappo Oblast, Ukraine will push towards Melitopol or Mariopol if their ballsy. But honest;y you don't have to be an expert to see any of those coming.

  27. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I love how everybody has forgotten that the US have set hundreds of bradleys, Strykers, mine clearing shit etc...to Ukraine just a few weeks ago and that thousands of Uki soldiers are being trained to use them and even more uki soldiers are being trained all around europe by NATO instructors...
    hmmmm, I wonder what's going to happen when the weather gets better and the ground is not mud anymore.
    or do you vatnik morons really think the US just sent all this shit knowing Ukraine only had 12yo conscripts to use them????
    this is some next level desilusion

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Bingo. Every training area in Europe and the US is flooded with thousands of Ukie combat vets training on NATO gibs while Russia flails against lines manned by the TDF

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/pHfJs8Q.jpg

        I love how everybody has forgotten that the US have set hundreds of bradleys, Strykers, mine clearing shit etc...to Ukraine just a few weeks ago and that thousands of Uki soldiers are being trained to use them and even more uki soldiers are being trained all around europe by NATO instructors...
        hmmmm, I wonder what's going to happen when the weather gets better and the ground is not mud anymore.
        or do you vatnik morons really think the US just sent all this shit knowing Ukraine only had 12yo conscripts to use them????
        this is some next level desilusion

        >Hello Ukraine, things are not looking good it seems..
        >yep it's awful, Bakmut, the capital of the east is about to fall
        >oh my! how many soldier do you have left
        >0! we are basically just taking 12yo from the streets by force and we send them there on foot with no equipement or training.
        >oooh no! well, I guess it's time to help you witht that.... here take those 300 armored transport vehicules and a bunch of mine clearing equipement. maybe a few tanks too.
        >thanks Obama!
        this is what vatniks actually believe.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I think is an overstatement. ~25K UAF regulars have been trained by the US since 2015, and the UK has cycled ~10K through training camps to date. You have several thousand more training on specific weapons systems, and a handful of pilots getting introduced to western platforms. This is all very invaluable and these men will be able to pass the knowledge down the line. However, it's not as if Ukraine has sent away all of its veteran fighters for months on end when they are needed on the line. What this amounts to is a several thousand men here and there cycling through western training camps. Not to mention the men being trained in western Ukraine by Polish advisors etc.. I just don't see the evidence though to support this concept of an entire western equipped and trained army sprouting out of the woodwork to rush the Russian lines.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      There are 60 BFV's in route - https://www.thedefensepost.com/2023/02/01/us-bradley-vehicles-ukraine/

      M1's may not make it by late 2023 - https://www.defensenews.com/land/2023/02/23/tanks-might-not-reach-ukraine-this-year-us-army-secretary-says/

      In January the US announced that 90 Strykers would be sent but I haven't seen any news on the first shipment. - https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/20/world/europe/stryker-vehicles-pentagon-ukraine.html#:~:text=The%20Pentagon%20has%20announced%20that,stockpiles%20to%20a%20foreign%20country.

      The material assistance to Ukraine has been substantial, but the reality of this war is now a war of emplacements and artillery. Russians are still eclipsing the UAF by significant margins in volume of shelling (albeit less accurate). Its unlikely that these weapons systems will be delivered and usable by summer. Ukraine needed a 1000 tanks yesterday, not a few dozen Leopard 1's and maybe ~200 assorted IFV's, and what Ukraine really needs are guns and shells both of which it's running desperately short on.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Russians are still eclipsing the UAF by significant margins in volume of shelling
        mostly wrong. and even if they were, Ukraine has way more accurate artillery which negates the lack in number.
        and do you realise all the strikers and bradleys are already in germany.. where thousands of Uki are training???

        you vatniks are going to have some serious COPING to do in a few months... and yeah, if the tanks are not even there, it will just be even more humiliating for you LOL

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I'm not a vatnik, I am an American and a USAF veteran at that. I am just presenting my observations. I don't believe that all these vehicles are already pre-staged in Germany with thousand of Ukrainian's training on them. Here is an article published in January about expanded training facilities in Germany with far more humble numbers https://www.npr.org/2023/01/16/1149372572/expanded-us-training-for-ukraine-forces-begins-in-germany.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            if you actually looked at more recent artcles, you'll see they are training at least 15k in germany now...
            20k in the UK and at least 10k in the rest of europe...

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Can you post the relvant articles?

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              They're training civilians mostly

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                you've pickled your brain

  28. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Ukranians captured a key stronghold and moved the frontline kilometers away in less than a week
    >Russians struggle to capture a single city for months
    And you Black folk are still fantasizing about the capture of the city? Capture it first, then talk about the future.
    For all we know, the war will be over before they capture that bombed out shithole.

  29. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    TWO

  30. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Why doesn't the US provide A-10s for Ukraine?
    >literally designed for this war
    >old technology
    >cheap to put back into service
    >hundreds are available

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Because Russian SAMs exist and the A-10 cannot operate in contested airspace

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      IIRC they didn't want it

  31. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    last summer, ukraine achieved a great deal with much less. now it is receiving vastly better equipment and lots of soldiers trained to nato standard. i'm not sure vatniks really believe it when they say they just need to keep up the current strategy and wait for victory.

  32. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I thought at various times 'it'd be impressive if Ukraine held onto Bahkmut until <month>'. The last time I thought it, the month was March. Idk, I still think it'll fall eventually, but time's a frickin' ticking. Ukraine is in a '2 months' situation, and dasu they could start a counter offensive before then if Russia gives them the opportunity. Given their recent more careful approach to advances this would seem unlikely, but given Russia's performance so far, I wouldn't be wholly shocked to see Dr Livesy strutting around Nova Kakhovka all of a sudden.

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