If you do, the picture is a replica, not surplus.
I think you should know that this backpack came with a folding sleeping pad which was your cushion against your back when worn.
Source: i used this backpack in the cold war.
Once folded you put the mat into the extra back pouch of the backpack.
The mat is really nice as a daily driver to sit or sleep on. Folded out it's roughly 2m x 0.5m, like most sleeping pads. It's closed cell, so it doesn't suck up water and if it's cold, you want to put some stuff under it, grasd, leaflitter, smaller branches, as the mat is not very thick. Weighs about 400g and is perfect to clean your Heckler und Koch G3 on.
I have that sleeping mat. It is really thin and you barely feel you're lying on a mat if you use it. No real insulation to speak of. It fits perfectly in the small back compartment in the LK35 backpack which is why I bought it but I think I will get the savotta sleeping pad instead. But yeah it is really packable when folded.
that sleep mat is supposed to be like the military version of a thinlight. its more meant to be used supplementary than as your main sleep system. or at least that's how most people use it in the civ market.
i just ordered this mat used from varusteleka with some other stuff, 14.99 eur plus shipping
gonna use it for my next season kit which i'm already planning, mid-may/june through august
usually warm enough to sleep on the ground in those months just need some padding from sticks and stones and moisture
I think it will do well for that purpose. Looks like the original too, judging by the pics, i heard the replicas aren't even the same material.
I noticed that even military and other rugged type backpacks often have carry handles that are a bit shitty, just a piece of webbing, maybe folded over and sewn. If you use the carry handle I can't recommend enough to cobra stitch it with cordage. Try to use a color that is similar or it's going to stick out though. Cobra stitch is really easy to learn and it takes 5 minutes to wrap a handle once you get the jist of it. End result is quite nice and very comfortable. You can weave really right to get a semi-rigid handle, or make a looser weave to keep it soft. I wrap all the carry handles now.
This is a good tutorial
Noice.
>hip belt on a swivel
Arc'tery makes backpacks like that too if you haven't looked at them before.
I have one but it gets kinda wonky if you shove 45 or 50lbs worth of stuff into it.
I will look into it. If someone knows brands that use swiveled hip belts, let me know.
Looked into it, it's not really the same, but close enough.
Also you have to be careful, they make a Trion and a Trion spine. Seems only the latter has the flexible hip belt.
Didn't see one under MSRP, set a price alarm for the 50l pack.
>I think you should know that this backpack came with a folding sleeping pad which was your cushion against your back when worn.
this is the one feature that most packs that aren't 'super ultralight frameless' usually lack. i love using a sleeping pad as the backpack's foam instead of carrying both for no reason, because i sleep on foam anyways. its hard to find packs with frames that are designed around one.
Once folded you put the mat into the extra back pouch of the backpack.
The mat is really nice as a daily driver to sit or sleep on. Folded out it's roughly 2m x 0.5m, like most sleeping pads. It's closed cell, so it doesn't suck up water and if it's cold, you want to put some stuff under it, grasd, leaflitter, smaller branches, as the mat is not very thick. Weighs about 400g and is perfect to clean your Heckler und Koch G3 on.
Nope, can't help with shops, sorry. I would rather look to ebay anyway, probably cheaper.
If the stock isn't new, it's original.
If the stock was repaired, it's original for sure.
If you find something like picrel, it's original.
Slept last night ontop of that sleeping mat while bushcrafting, very comfy.
Bit over 50. Not much to tell from my side, conscripted, did my service, went home after.
>stories from the war >the cold war
anon i....
Remember the one time the Yanks induced a standing wave in Ivans gas pipeline till it exploded?
Lots of stories to be told, but none has me in it.
https://i.imgur.com/wCM82gt.jpg
>omg paid shill!
moronic, possibly schizophrenic. PrepHole is too tiny and too obscure for anyone to bother. You’re not important.
I know about this backpacks “history” because I’ve had the same pack since about 2014; an Osprey Exos. That model had just come out. The one after it (that Anon got for $100) was a huge disappointment compared to mine, and I was worried that if I ever needed a replacement it would be a downgrade. Now a PU coating on mine is starting to flake off, so I looked at the latest version. After the winter I’ll see if they’ll honor the warranty, and hopefully they won’t have any NOS packs.
Those of us who actually go outside like to know the ins and outs of the stuff we take.
>Osprey Exos
Not a bad pack to be honest. I remember when it came out, very different from anything on the market.
I myself am still crying that nobody reinvented Berghauses Bioflex, which basically is a hip belt on a swivel. Mine is almost fallen apart. The Berghaus Biolite 50 is the only that really sits 100% on your hips, the shoulder straps are basically just so it doesn't fall over backwards.
https://i.imgur.com/Yh39NX4.jpg
what did you think about the g3 in terms of ergonomics, recoil, and overall? what was in your general kit during your time in the army?
t.bundeswehr larper
Since i only shot the G3, i can't compare it to anything. Got a Silberne Schützenschnur, which means i wasn't completely helpless with it. We didn't have the TPU magazine pouches, i think ours where leather. Well, it's more than 30 years in the past, i'm sure someone made a website about the stuff.
I for one hated the alu canteen, it always smelled funny. I also hated the Pickpot, the mess kit, it's just idiotic. It has a stupid form, you can't properly eat out of it, to hot to hold in your hand, food got cold almost in seconds.
Backpack and sleeping pad where good, good enough to be used today.
I also liked the Parka, the boots, trousers and shirt. Socks where fine, as where tshirts.
The poncho was a nightmare, as was the rubberized sleeping bag, see picrel, what where they thinking? It was a condensation magnet.
I have that sleeping mat. It is really thin and you barely feel you're lying on a mat if you use it. No real insulation to speak of. It fits perfectly in the small back compartment in the LK35 backpack which is why I bought it but I think I will get the savotta sleeping pad instead. But yeah it is really packable when folded.
Just put some stuff under it when it's cold/hard. It's very comfy just laying on the forest floor with it.
>hip belt on a swivel
Arc'tery makes backpacks like that too if you haven't looked at them before.
I have one but it gets kinda wonky if you shove 45 or 50lbs worth of stuff into it.
I kinda wish they'd send some over to Ukraine. I bet the 20mm could still clap cheeks on BTRs and such. Might throw on trophy aps. But I don't think the armor can even stop 12.7mm .
what did you think about the g3 in terms of ergonomics, recoil, and overall? what was in your general kit during your time in the army?
t.bundeswehr larper
Not the anon you responded to, but I used the G3 for many years, then some MP5 and 416.
To me, the G3 was the gun I was most comfortable with, still miss it today.
Recoil is pretty bad, not that .308 is that powerful, but the really heavy bolt makes the felt recoil pretty brutal compared to modern guns, but it's quite delayed, so it doesn't affect single shot accuracy much.
Ergonomically, it's the best automatic weapon I have ever handled, especially when I got a buttstock that actually fit me.
Forend is slim, and the charging handle isn't moronic like on the AR platform, I also prefer the folding handle of the G3 over the one on the MP5.
The locking feature for the charging handle is only to be used for checking the chamber, burgers on youtube always frick up the manual of arms on the G3 for some reason.
I currently have a ~34L internal frame from LL Bean, 10ish years old but basically a zoomer pack, that I use for weekending/long weekending; and an ancient external frame boomer pack that I first used as a teenager in the late 1990s on the AT that can carry everything in the kitchen, plus the sink.
I cannot fricking decide on a pack. Definitely want something at least around 55-60 (the LL Bean pack is still fine), but there are too many choices. 10-lb. MOLLE GI rucksack? 2 lb. spiderweb material MUH DYNEEMA 2 lb. ultralight rucksack? Something in-between, premium but not insane? Something affordable?
Someone give me an answer, or at least a sense of direction. I'm not even a gearhead, I just want to replace my external frame that's a quarter-century old.
get an inbetweener pack, between ultralight and normal. they're the best if you don't know what you want, but i also think the best in general too. i'm currently using a 55L frameless ultralight and my next pack will definitely be a 55L framed semiultralight. using a cdt and i might just buy another cdt but with a frame custom ordered. or something similar where its ultralight but not full dyneema fragile, and framed. idk how i feel about xpac its rugged enough but delams with age.
>get an inbetweener pack, between ultralight and normal. they're the best if you don't know what you want, but i also think the best in general too. i'm currently using a 55L frameless ultralight and my next pack will definitely be a 55L framed semiultralight. using a cdt and i might just buy another cdt but with a frame custom ordered. or something similar where its ultralight but not full dyneema fragile, and framed. idk how i feel about xpac its rugged enough but delams with age.
Okay, agreed. We've decided on a size (55-60) and a price and weight range (middling).
That narrows down my options by about three-quarters, maybe even 80%: nothing tiny, nothing ultramax, nothing huge, nothing heavymax, nothing too cheap, nothing crazy expensive.
But that still leaves a lot of packs to choose from. I need more criteria.
i'm in the exact same boat as you for my next pack, told ya what i'm looking at but i'm also fishing for the same if there's better options.
I brought this up in the previous/existing backpack thread
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but SWD looks like another option for the search in mid-ultralight except they mostly use laminated UHMWPEs. I was hoping they would have a ripstop option, but honestly the price doesn't seem bad for what would be my first ultralight-ish pack with a frame option. Still on the fence about it, but I might just pull the trigger out of curiosity.
I recently got the Osprey Kestrel 68 for just 130€ (also 130USD) and I'm loving it so far. It weighs 1,8kg which is not much for a 68l imo. If 68l is too big for you there are smaller versions too, but it compresses down well enough if you only use half or 3/4 of the space. People also recommend the Exos pack which is supposedly very comfy and carries well.
the only external frame pack maker anymore that im aware of is kelty. i have a kelty trekker 3950 and an rei wonderland which is like 60L i think. bought both for 30 bucks a long time ago. if you can find the rei wonderland its a fricking dope pack. no reservoir sleeve but it has a fat side pouch that fits a 3L hydrapack perfectly with a perfect hose position. gonna be bummed when it kicks it
https://i.imgur.com/ZfhnWHt.jpg
I've finally found a pack that seems like a good choice in the 55-65L range: the Eberlestock Destroyer.
It's a conventional backpacking configuration, 60L, rated for more weight than you'll ever fit in it, adjustable internal frame, hydration compatible, PALS webbing to attach expansion pouches if needed, lots of core pack space and very little inflation of the stated capacity via mesh and zipper pouches. Few if any gimmicks, simple aesthetics (neither military LARP nor San Franciscan hipster) looks tough and quality, good reviews on a site where those are a little more trustworthy than, say, Amazon.
Downsides: Expensive and heavyish (7 lbs.) by popular standards. Personally though, an extra 2-4 lbs. isn't gonna kill me.
this almost looks like a decent successor
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i wanna move there. i goddamn hate wind. give me anything but wind.
if you want to narrow out a lot of the semiultralights look up how much the osprey in this category weighs and eliminate anything within 6oz of it. you'd be surprised how many it eliminates.
What's a cheap but comfortable surplus backpack for dayhikes with heavy weight?
It needs to be sturdy because I want to fill it with a couple of kilos of whatever and go rucking, increasing the weight/distance each time to improve my cardio, so it needs to be comfortable.
I don't want to spend too much money because I already have a main backpack, I just dont want to frick it up too fast.
The genuine surplus versions is awesome backpack but the only problem with it is a crappy hipbelt what is just a piece of belt. We could argue that it is a small volume pack that does not necessarily need one and thats true but still i felt like it could give you much more with a proper hipbelt. Heavy gear and overpacking would be a viable option with one. You also need to buy your hown sternum strap because it does not come with one.
The hip belt is only there so that the pack doesn't bounce when you run, not to bear any weight, for home use it should be removed.
Never missed a sternum strap.
I have bought a lot of Austrian milsurp from Varusteleka. Rugged stuff and very civilian-presentable (literally just looks like normal clothing in a green color). My personal favorite kind of surplus due to its quality + neutral looks. Compared to Bundeswehr surplus it is miles better, German stuff tends to be very worn out. My personal favorite so far is the fleece jacket (pic related). Its markings say it was made only 2 years ago and is unissued.
I also have a GTX jacket (unissued from the '90s, looks brand new) but sizing is sketchy as hell because it's meant to be worn as an outer layer. Wearing it standalone feels like wearing a trench coat, still works fine but I would have gone for 1 size lower if I had known.
In terms of used Austrian surplus, I have a transparent bottle (came with a holder but holder is quite torn up, needs some repair + I have nowhere to mount it), some field shirts and a pair of non-waterproof pants (they were like 10 bucks lel). Condition is great even on the ones that have clearly seen use (pants have repair marks for example). I would generally trust Bundesheer surplus over most brands in terms of quality, but surplus is surplus and there is always exceptions.
No experience with Austrian backpacks specifically but I would assume a similar standard. However, I have spoken to an ex-mil guy from Germany who has done some pretty intensive training and his most important advice was not to cheap out on shoes or backpacks. I have a Jääkäri L + GTX Salomon Quest 4D Forces 2.
>Never missed a sternum strap.
its one of those things where if the straps are fitted very well to your shoulders by default then you won't. if they aren't then you will. i've cut them off of well fitting packs before to reduce weight and snag.
daypack hip belts usually don't bear weight that's a normal design. no sternum straps means you're at the mercy of the strap spacing but you can get straps for $3 pre-made on alibaba.
After having used a lot of different surplus packs throughout the years I finally settled on a Bergans Trollhetta 95. It's relatively light weight, has a great carrying comfort and fits everything i need for several days out. Ideally i would like some large side pockets, but since the front opens up and the top can hold a lot of stuff I haven't found the lack of pockets to be an issue.
My choice was between this and a Fjällräven Kajka, but I choose this to save some weight and I've been 100% happy.
Picked up one of these old style Osprey Exos on sale for $100.
It's super light, and the frame keeps the pack of your back, so you stay cool and don't soak your bag in sweat. I strap my folding pad under the pack, and I can fit a wool blanket between the pack and the top lid if I need to.
The external pockets are easy to use, and you can reach your water bottle from the top or the front of the pack. You can also lash your trekking poles to the pack if you need to.
Pretty good for a lightweight minimalist pack. I've packed it full and it was still very comfortable.
The Exos is the best pack Osprey makes. It hits that perfect middle ground between weight, durability, usefulness, and comfort. Their other packs are a bit on the heavier side because their loaded down with extra pockets.
Great find for $100. This is the model they discontinued last year (which is why they’re on sale), and started making around 2018. The model before it had hip belt pockets, shoulder strap pockets, and thicker padding. The latest model brought back the hip pockets and introduced an adjustable height suspension.
>lash your trekking poles to the pack
Most Osprey packs have a feature that lets you stow them on your side while wearing the pack. See pic.
The Exos is the best pack Osprey makes. It hits that perfect middle ground between weight, durability, usefulness, and comfort. Their other packs are a bit on the heavier side because their loaded down with extra pockets.
Great find for $100. This is the model they discontinued last year (which is why they’re on sale), and started making around 2018. The model before it had hip belt pockets, shoulder strap pockets, and thicker padding. The latest model brought back the hip pockets and introduced an adjustable height suspension.
>lash your trekking poles to the pack
Most Osprey packs have a feature that lets you stow them on your side while wearing the pack. See pic.
i hate to be that schizo, but i am almost certain that these two posts are inorganic
>omg paid shill!
moronic, possibly schizophrenic. PrepHole is too tiny and too obscure for anyone to bother. You’re not important.
I know about this backpacks “history” because I’ve had the same pack since about 2014; an Osprey Exos. That model had just come out. The one after it (that Anon got for $100) was a huge disappointment compared to mine, and I was worried that if I ever needed a replacement it would be a downgrade. Now a PU coating on mine is starting to flake off, so I looked at the latest version. After the winter I’ll see if they’ll honor the warranty, and hopefully they won’t have any NOS packs.
Those of us who actually go outside like to know the ins and outs of the stuff we take.
>Their tacticool approach to compartments also eats up into usable storage space.
i don't carry much going PrepHole just the bare essentials plus fishing tackle. hate dumping out gear to get to my shit so i'm okay with trading space for easy access
Can anyone recommend a versatile large backpack for hunting as well as regular multi day camping trips?>bought some generic 70L bag but I can’t even get my sleeping bag in a compression sack to fit into the main compartment nor strapped very well to the outside.
Ive been thinking about one of those external frame packs so that way i can just lash the different items to the frame and bypass any main compartment issues like with my current pack. Any recommendations would be really appreciated.
maybe stop using a compression sack and it'll fit? why arw you even using one?
i would not suggest externally storing your sleeping bag unless you only camp in the desert. not a very smart idea to store it externally. the people you see on instagram doing that sleep in hotels at night after their photoshoots.
Well i started putting the sleeping bag in a compression sack/stuff sack because when i would just roll it normally or try stuffing it in regularly it pillows out and takes up too much room and makes it difficult to fit other items inside the pack. Which is why I was considering a new system of sleeping bag in stuff sack, inside of its drawstring bag, strapped to an external frame. Because the mouth to the main compartment of this generic bag seems limited. And possibly using some kind of cover over the frame should adverse conditions require it
I do the same with my quilt. It's some slippery nylon material, you have to have some kind of compression sack to control it's shape.
In my case it goes all into the backpack, but i could see me strap it to an external frame if i had one.
Most times i don't even use a sleeping bag or quilt, but this black poncho liner under my stuff. Seems to be good enough for late sping, summer and early fall.
maybe you just need a better sleeping bag or something. i farted around youtube for 5 mins trying to find you a video clip of what i mean by how to pack a sleeping bag uncompressed (if you're rolling it, you're doing it wrong and don't understand how it works) and i could find nothing but wall to wall clips of people fitting their sleeping bags in uncompressed stuff sacks no problem in 20-40L packs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yt31hDdEuk
or maybe the backpack you have has a very strange design?
generally if you find yourself re-inventing the wheel and doing things very different from everyone else who backpacks like that, you've fricked up at some point going back in the process and its almost cruel to tell you to bandaid your solution with a gargantuan backpack. wtf kind of 70L doesn't fit a sleeping bag? wtf sleeping bag is it? pics of this stuff?
Yea the sleeping bag might be too bulky, but after trying a couple different ones out I found this one to be the most compatible with my sleeping habits. I also am not too sure if the pack is actually 70L despite it being described as such when I first purchased it many years ago. The main compartment isn’t very deep and the opening isnt very large. I think it adds a lot of unnecessary weight for small compartments and side pouches.
Also i started stuffing the sleeping bag into a compressible stuff sack and then a liner bag so that i could strap it to the outside of my current pack, because of space issues. It seems to hold up to the weather the times i have taken it out, but I do understand why some other posts say that it just being exposed to the elements is a moisture risk.
>In my case it goes all into the backpack, but i could see me strap it to an external frame if i had one.
the problem with this is that unless its inside a full on kayaking tier pvc dry bag your sleeping bag's going to get wet then you have to end your trip or risk hypothermia depending on the situation. not a very smart play. there's very good reason why you always see the sleeping bag inside the pack+liner and the tent usually outside of it. you want wet gear on the outside and the gear that keeps you warm+dry inside the pack. simple as.
So couldn’t a system of carryframe or pack frame, with the gear strapped to it, then a poncho or rain liner affixed to the frame over the other gear work in adverse weather conditions?
pnw and canada. pack liners exist. i see people do like that homosexual youtuber i linked and put it in a dry bag too.
but i'm talking about when its good weather, not the winter.
i have that lastenkraxe there's a packsack for it but it's only 80l with only a big ass compartment
i kinda regret buying it it's a specialized type of carry system but it's got the best padding ever and despite being heavy in itself (7-8 lbs) it makes heavier loads feel much easier to carry than a conventional bp
Yes! Sorry, I was thinking of having something like a carrying frame/ pack frame but when i would try searching it out would find items under the descriptor of “external frame” so i guess i just misunderstood it as all being commonly called external frame packs.
>Unless you need to haul loads of heavy, dirty or wet stuff, I wouldn't bother.
i'm signed up for a hunter's course this fall so i might find use for it down the road
You make a lot of good points anon, Im sort of a semi poorgay or at least have the carryover habits of one in that I want to make one piece of gear as versatile and multipurposed as possible. I was hoping to get something like an carrying frame so that way whether the trip is a day hike or a week long trip the weight of the frame stays constant but how much gear/ supplies and what type of supplies are affixed to the frame changes to compensate to match the purpose of the trip.
if you're trying to be efficient... keep in mind that pack frame on its own with nothing loaded on it is 5.9 pounds, which is like 80% of the weight that most people use for a 3,000 mile thru hike. so you're never actually going to be efficient using that. if you're not hauling elk out of the woods its kind of a joke.
You’re right, I think some other people have mentioned as well that the carry frames are a bit anachronistic compared to a lot of modern ultralight gear. I haven't done much kayaking, or thru hiking on very large trails, most of my experience heralds froms shorter excursions but due to changing circumstances I would like to change that, mostly in regards to going on hunting trips so i liked the idea of being able to re-orient gear on a pack frame to also lash game bags to it as well.
you'll want totally different gear for hiking and hunting when you get more into both. there will be some overlap in kit, but you'll have a much better time than trying to accomplish both in one go.
Thanks, the scalable system is something I would really like to try out. if i get a functional one setup that doesn’t look awful will definitely post pics
It is, hard to clean as well. Usually you use it while PrepHole innawoods or at the shooting range. They bring you large thermoses with food, say Schnitzel, peas and mashed potatoes with gravy. But while you are in the field you have no chance to clean it. So food dries and you have to later remove the crusty shit out of it. A simple stainless steel bowl with a plastic lid would have done the trick.
That reminds me, why the frick does the silverware weigh 300g? What do you need a Wurstdose (picrel) for?
NTA. uncoated aluminum is fine its only plastic shit from diy aluminum pots to worry about. the aluminum gives you alzeimer's myth comes from an old outdated study, look it up.
Yes. The aluminum theory centered on the amyloid plaque theory. A lot of what we learned for the past several decades about Alzheimer’s is just wrong because of The Science.
>I got some of them for cheap and was wondering if they were in any way useful for their intended purpose.
I don't think so. Consider that we also had the Feldflasche, which came with two more metal pots, picrel. >I served in the transitional era (not Bundeswehr), where we still had to lug around a mess kit even though we always ate MREs from bags with disposable everything.
We had EPA, which i liked, but my parents where poor and so i'm not picky. >The circular container is for butter, is it not? I'm on the lookout for one of those for my PrepHole kit.
Or Dosenbrot, which is bread in tins. I never used mine, it's ok, but why did every soldier have one to haul around?
https://i.imgur.com/FjtJBdK.jpg
>Bit over 50
are you from this era too?
M8, i was online before memes became a thing. I was there when you downloaded shit by dialing into other peoples computer. I was there when Mathias Rust landed his tiny plane on the place before the Kremlin. I was there when Echelon was just a rumor. I was there when the US installed a trojan on Russian gas pipline pumps and broke them. I was there when Europe was radiated because Russians couldn't control Chernobyl. I was there when the wall fell.
I was just there. Didn't do it. Didn't help (except by paying taxes).
Respect me for the slimy scoundrel i am, not something i had no part in. >:^)
this shit is aids btw, because of the way the leverage works with the wheel positioned like that, you end up carrying the full weight of your pack with your hands ... kills your arms after a few minutes.
if the wheel is central to the load, it counteracts it's own weight, half the weight is see-sawing on one side, half the weight on the other. feels like carrying nothing.
I noticed that even military and other rugged type backpacks often have carry handles that are a bit shitty, just a piece of webbing, maybe folded over and sewn. If you use the carry handle I can't recommend enough to cobra stitch it with cordage. Try to use a color that is similar or it's going to stick out though. Cobra stitch is really easy to learn and it takes 5 minutes to wrap a handle once you get the jist of it. End result is quite nice and very comfortable. You can weave really right to get a semi-rigid handle, or make a looser weave to keep it soft. I wrap all the carry handles now.
This is a good tutorial
what anon said plus a lot of restaraunt food you've eaten in your life was prepared on aluminum. our understanding of alzeimer's is really different now. aluminum is just all around better than ti cookware and a best of both worlds between steel and ti but largely ignored because they used to tell boomers it caused alzeimers and cancer.
this shit is aids btw, because of the way the leverage works with the wheel positioned like that, you end up carrying the full weight of your pack with your hands ... kills your arms after a few minutes.
if the wheel is central to the load, it counteracts it's own weight, half the weight is see-sawing on one side, half the weight on the other. feels like carrying nothing.
wheelbarrows usually have a slightly different wheel position which makes the weight distribution different, and takes some of it off your arms (see my original post) but yes, even with that, they are aids for anything over 300 feet really. lets say you are moving even just 30 kilos with a normal wheelbarrow, after a few miles that would be really unpleasant.
I wanted to use an HMG pack for my through hike of the GDT but the shoulder strap nearly ripped off on day two. Had to hump it 15k back to town to get a new pack.
what does PrepHole think of mystery ranch? i hardly ever see it get talked about. a friend in the marines swears by them and says many other guys in his company also swear by them
>what does PrepHole think of mystery ranch?
I have a Vietnam made "urban" pack made by MR and it's miles ahead of any other pack I've seen. Everything is super heavy duty. It's also very comfortable and has the thickest, nicest shoulder straps I've ever seen on a backpack. Only issue, it makes my back sweat a bit. The USA made military stuff must be phenomenal.
>edge case uses >not giving you back pain >not ripping every time you walk past a tree >lasting more than 2-3 hikes before hardware starts to fail >sensible capacity, most packing space is in the compressible core and not faked with mesh/zip pockets >thoughtful layout and feature design
Boy howdee I never realized how these outliers were affecting my choice of gear, thanks anon.
https://i.imgur.com/woS0C2l.jpg
I wanted to use an HMG pack for my through hike of the GDT but the shoulder strap nearly ripped off on day two. Had to hump it 15k back to town to get a new pack.
>I wanted to use an HMG pack for my through hike of the GDT but the shoulder strap nearly ripped off on day two. Had to hump it 15k back to town to get a new pack.
I guarantee you've been using the shoulder strap to lift your pack and put it on, and not the hoist handle (which is top-left in your pic).
You can deny it here on PrepHole, but I know your cheeks will be burning at home, weekender.
>I guarantee you've been using the shoulder strap to lift your pack and put it on
Of course I used the shoulder strap to put it on, the pack only weighed 13kg. What kind of weak ass bag can't handle that?
>Of course I used the shoulder strap to put it on, the pack only weighed 13kg. What kind of weak ass bag can't handle that? >buys a super-ultralight pack rated for, at most, 25-30 lbs. >puts 28 lbs. in it, near capacity >lifts it by the shoulder strap
They put the hoist handle on for a reason, anon. Thank you for being honest.
Didn't think I'd need to use the handle with such a light weight. In the army I'd just use the shoulder strap unless my pack weighed more than about 30kg, then I'd just put it on while it's still on the ground or put it on top of something first.
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It was a manufacturing defect I think. Either way they sent me a new one that I then sold to my brother.
I've been trying to decide on a new pack for days, in fact I had a near-sleepless night just browsing around.
I could drive 45 minutes to an hour to Cabela's, or Dick's Sporting Goods, or an Orvis store and find jack shit-all for selection or quality at any of them. They'll have some cheap-ass options and nothing else. Do you have to live in San Francisco to find outfitters with high-end gear you can actually try out? Pretty ironic.
The one exception I've ever seen with my own two eyes was the LL Bean flagship store when I was in Maine years back, which in fact is where I got my current 40L backpacking pack.
Anyway, every pack I'd been seriously considering was Mystery Ranch. This positive talk about them is encouraging, I'll probably pull the trigger on a tan 55L Bridger now.
Figures. You can either pay $50 for a 12-lb. canvas milsurp ruck that will be indestructible (I mean real milsurp out of some store set up in a brick shed in some tiny town), $150 for something that's probably okay but might hurt your back or have shit snap or fray, or $400-500 for something that's actually good. I have no doubt there are Swiss-made alpine packs that cost $2,500.
It's like we use rubles now, not dollars. I can even afford it, but every time I turn around with outdoors gear, it's $400-500. And the shit's still made in some factory in Asia!
Well, an Orvis store will obviously has some high-end shit for sale, but they won't have what I need. Thought I should clarify. Though most of their bags are probably made in China too, or Vietnam if you're super-lucky.
>Anyway, every pack I'd been seriously considering was Mystery Ranch. This positive talk about them is encouraging
If I could go back, I would not buy my urban MR, the bigger ruck from another manufacturer, etc. and get instead only one of those expensive MR outdoors or military packs with the.combined money.
>Nice staff. I actually make hiking staves. Here's one that I recently finished, pic taken before I treated the handgrip.
>I go PrepHole with what you see in picrel, and derp around in nature with my dog, and that is still less LARPy than doing it in an MR.
My biggest issue is actually finding packs that I can look at and try on. It's not that I must have the very best or want to LARP, but I do want a good harness and suspension (I'm almost 40 and want to look after my back), sensible capacity, useful equipment straps/hardpoints/hardware, and durability.
So if I just order a Kelty online, or grab something random or milsurp, I don't know what I'm getting into. That's why I am tending toward packs that are somewhat agreed upon to actually be good.
Hell even if you can try them on, you don't know if they're any good until later. I want something good, that's for damn sure.
>I'm not the guy you're talking to, but is this serious? I'm Mystery-Ranch-and-Milsurp-anon, so my knees give out before my kit. I have never even heard of weight limits on packs or a "hoist handle". >Wait, 400 dollars for a pack that can't handle 15 kilos!? Fricking hell. Maybe I was too quick to ridicule the idea of civies rocking 400 dollar Mystery Ranch packs, if the alternative is a 400 dollar plastic bag.
I'm quite serious, yes See picrel, HMG's SW 2400 max load (40 lbs.). HMG UL packs actually haul more than most other high-end manufacturers' UL packs, but even if it's not anywhere close to maxed out, lifting it by the straps isn't a good idea.
I mean, think about it. In your mind, you're just shaving off 2-3 lbs.of haulage and hiking like normal, but these are actually specialized pieces of gear. It's not merely something to throw money at to gain a couple of pounds. You're supposed to make UL choices in all the gear you carry and what you wear as well.
But again, the hoist handle isn't there just for show. You shouldn't ever lift your pack by the shoulder straps even if it's only got 10-15 lbs. in it.
>I just kind of assumed you burgers had access to tons of in-store shopping options.
We do, and it's all the cheapest shit imaginable unless there's a big McMansion farm nearby. I've lived in the US all my life, lived in three different states of the Union, been to almost half of them, and I wouldn't have the first notion how to find a high-end outfitter, even though I've been an outdoorsman all my life.
I was in the US Air Force, an aircraft technician, but obviously not the same as pounding the ground.
>Damn. Never thought of that. All my kit gets abused like a mongrel stepchild when I'm PrepHole and overly babied when I get home.
I only know all this because I always read 100% of the instructions for everything. I'm an engineer and I draft blueprints all day, so it comes with the territory.
Yeah, but my favorite joke is to demonstrate Air Force martial arts training to people. Doesn't come up much in conversation, but whenever I can work it in, I do.
Hell, one guy said to me once, "Anon, I know they taught you some moves in the military." He was one of those people who assumes all Air Force guys fly planes, and all military people take hand-to-hand combat training courses.
So I say, "You're right, they did. You wanna see 'em? I'll show you something."
I get into a stance or something like it, bounce from heel to heel like I'm going to do something, then suddenly stand straight up and put my hands in the air in surrender.
I also shoot guns, and just the other day, I was out with my buddy shooting .22 rifles at beer cans innawoods, and I tell him: "Wanna see how we cleared jams in the Air Force?"
I set the rifle on the ground and put my hands in the air. I love this format of joke, never gets old.
Any experience with Bergson backpacks? It looks solid but I can't find any reviews. The options are pretty limited where I live and it seems to be the best option (as comfy as possible 1 day bag) in my budget.
You can use dwr spray to get some kind of water repellency but this does not fix the problem what is inside of your backpack. Its really hard to get the delaminated pu off the fabric what you must do if you want to recoat the interior. At this point you are better off just buying a new backpack or bite the bullet and use some kind of liner sack to isolate your gear.
Just dont put too much money on a pu gear or atleast know what is going to happen eventually. After a decade you may want to upgrade your backpack anyways to a more modern and capable backpack. Who knows maybe your style of PrepHoleing has changed and you have different needs to cover. We can only hope that the industry has moved on from these materials by then. Dont plan too far ahead, nothing last forever.
I am using a liner sack from day 1, so maybe that will give some longevity to the pack. I know it's not bullshit although I don't know if these companies use a better tech that is more durable. I think MR is a pretty serious company and I doubt they'd be in business for long if their packs lasted 5 years. They're used by military and other people who put them through really rough conditions on a regular basis.
Robic nylon have uts coating that they claim to have better resistance against hydrolysis but only time will tell. I think some mystery ranch packs have robic.
It’s happening to a pack I’ve had for 8 years. It seems kind of dumb to even use PU coated fabric; the seems aren’t taped or sealed, and the packs aren’t advertised as waterproof.
>everything’s a conspiracy
Are there israelites in the room with you now? It’s more likely that it’s just a marketing gimmick so manufacturers can tell moronic consumers that their packs are made of a waterproof material, or advertise the pack as water resistant.
Think about it. Some dipshit is comparing two similar packs. One says all kinds of stuff about waterproof material and the other one doesn’t. Which one does he buy? The end result is every manufacturer using it.
Just touch the inside of your backpack, if it's sticky, it's gonna get worse. If it feels dry and not sticky, you are good ... until it goes sticky.
Had a McKinley backpack bought in 1992 or so, went bad after 15 years, see pic. I would still use it today if it wasn't for PU coating.
Some people use chalk powder to make the PU less sticky but imo this makes things even more messy. Good tip is to use your backpack regularly because this helps battle the hydrolysis. Its known that chemical reactions inside pu will increase if its just sits in storage. Its good idea to buy a backpack that is good for both day hiking and longer trips so i gets more use. If you only do longer trips maybe once or twice a year and have dedicated large backpack for this its going to sit it the storage most of the time breaking down. There are lots of good larger size packs that can be strapped down to a small volume for day hiking needs. Rolltops and packs with a brain that you can lift are good for overpacking so you can get away with smaller pack.
First it will look like a film covering your pack. Not just shiny, as new PU coated fabric may have a glossy appearance. It will look like a sheet of plastic on top of nylon.
Next, it will feel slightly tacky to the touch. Just a slight stickiness to your fingers, but nothing alarming. Your gear most likely won’t stick to it, and it could be at this stage for a while. My pack was a little sticky for years with no other issues (no goo rubbing off).
Next stage is the point of no return: it starts to wrinkle, crack, and break. It will still be soft and pliable, so “crack” might not be the best word. What’s happening is it’s separating from the nylon fabric. It will be more noticeably sticky, and might start to look yellow or brown (though that might just be from dirt sticking to it; there’s a lot of dirt outside).
Why do you buy a backpack if you dont know what are you going to carry in it? Backpack is the last thing to buy so you know how much space and weight bearing capasity you need.
>Backpack is the last thing to buy
I wish I had known this sooner. Would've saved me at least 200 bucks.
Why do you buy a backpack if you dont know what are you going to carry in it? Backpack is the last thing to buy so you know how much space and weight bearing capasity you need.
So modern backpacking packs are soaked through with Chinese polyurethane, and yet you still need a rain cover and PTFE tape to actually stop them from getting fricking soaked in the rain?
Explainanons are right, that's a fricking scam. Where can I get a pack without the moronic Chinese plastic scam juice in it?
Only realistic way to get a modern one is to order a custom backpack from cottage manufacturers or making your own. Its going to be pricy tho. Other route is buying a pack that is not made from nylon but materials like dcf have their own set of problems.
Easiest way is to just buy cheap enough packs that you can replace when they fail.
>So modern backpacking packs are soaked through with Chinese polyurethane, and yet you still need a rain cover and PTFE tape to actually stop them from getting fricking soaked in the rain?
i've bought, used and resold many older backpacks, this has never been an issue. though i'd imagine, if you get PU flaking there should be a way to accelerate it on the entire backpack and then brush the flakes off with a stiff plastic brush. it shouldn't damage the nylon, assuming your pack is made of PU coated nylon. would probably take many hours of labor but it should be doable
>The third factor is movement. You see, it’s not frequent use that causes PU to decompose. Quite the opposite. The less you use your hiking boots, the more likely the sole is to come off at some point. If they are not used, boots can start to deteriorate during storage. It’s not a question of using them or losing them, but boots that stand around unused are more likely to develop very fine cracks in the midsole material that allow moisture or other decomposition accelerators, such as UV light to penetrate. Whereas regular use and movement keeps the polyurethane flexible and prevents microcracks from forming.
Still calling bullshit. It's your choice to believe it, but like many manufacturers claims, i don't.
Anyway, i have never seen this in shoes myself, i buy almost always Merrel Moab, usually they are done after 700 to 1000km, so i go through at least 2 pairs a year, sometimes 3. The sole is gone first and where the heel touches the cushion it's rubbed through before anything else fails.
Boots often have mid soles from EVA, that stuff crumbles after some years away, usage or not. Never heard about boots having problems with PU tbh.
https://i.imgur.com/KJRXu6R.jpg
this thing is fricking awesome. where to cop?
Sold by the German Military Industrial Complex, specifically by Rheinmetall Landsysteme GmbH. They might sell some to you, but they probably don't get permission to export it. Kanzler Scholz is a bit particular about those things.
If anyone has a pack with an adjustable frame: how do I fit it properly? How high do I set the shoulders? I know that the belt should go over the iliac crest.
Is 40lbs too much shit for a 3 day hike?
The shoulders are just there so the backpack doesn't fall back, the entire weight should be on the hip belt.
It's best to set it to the highest position to get started.
>Is 40lbs too much shit for a 3 day hike?
It’s all an opinion, and in my opinion, yeah, that’s too much shit. Best option is to take it and form your own opinion; is having that much stuff worth it?
All right so given the circumstances it shouldn't be unreasonable. Thanks anon. I think I can fit the pack so the weight is better distributed, hence the question about adjustable frames.
Those old-timey looking boots are nice looking but they usually aren't very waterproof. I've seen video of people wearing high end shoes like Red Wings and they start leaking just above the sole. How do your fare? Obviously they aren't gonna be waterproof around the first string hole but what about below that?
I've finally found a pack that seems like a good choice in the 55-65L range: the Eberlestock Destroyer.
It's a conventional backpacking configuration, 60L, rated for more weight than you'll ever fit in it, adjustable internal frame, hydration compatible, PALS webbing to attach expansion pouches if needed, lots of core pack space and very little inflation of the stated capacity via mesh and zipper pouches. Few if any gimmicks, simple aesthetics (neither military LARP nor San Franciscan hipster) looks tough and quality, good reviews on a site where those are a little more trustworthy than, say, Amazon.
Downsides: Expensive and heavyish (7 lbs.) by popular standards. Personally though, an extra 2-4 lbs. isn't gonna kill me.
The weights not optimal, but it's more important to see how it distributes weight. Might not be a big deal, might be a piece of shit. Only way to find out is put it on and load it up and do a nice 10 mile hike with it to get a feel for it.
>Why do they give these names to backpacks? It's a backpack, it doesn't destroy. Call it something like "Atlas", "the Ox" or "Big Loads"...
The larger version of that military-themed series of backpacks is called the "Battleship." You have to pick some kind of a naming convention.
Would not buy, simply due to name and it looks kinda larpy.
However, many of my friends have Eberlestock backpacks, and I've pretty much only heard good things regarding quality and comfort with heavy loads.
>durable, quality leather protects gear >classic design >narrow shoulder straps save weight and are out of the way when wearing a jacket >minimalist pocket design add to versatility >drip
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>Should we have wanted the pyramids in London, they would be here today.
The Great Pyramid alone contains 6 million tonnes of material, whereas a typical large ship in the late Victorian period when Great Britain was exploring Egypt archaeologically had a tonnage of around 1,200.
Therefore, it would have required 5,000 trips (actually, I'm not even counting the crew, supplies, ballast, etc., so I'm being exceptionally generous) from Egypt to England in such a ship in order to bring back the largest pyramid.
And naturally, some fraction of those ships would sink/be lost en route. So even if attempting to sail the Great Pyramid to England wouldn't have bankrupted the British Empire several times over (it would), you would still not have all of it. About 10% would be missing.
I was speaking figuratively you sperg. Also, you are not of the anglo mind: if I were tasked with such a thing and came into the problems that you proposed, I would raze the pyramids of giza to the ground and use build an exact replica in London woth some rubble mixed in. How's that?
>thinks the brits wouldn't just bankrupt their nation to salvage sunken rocks to spite the foreigns
Oh, they certainly would want to, but they lacked the technology to find (most important part) and then lift limestone blocks from the floor of the open ocean.
Even now, with huge sonar systems, deep divers, robotic submersibles, and large shipboard cranes and winches powered by modern generators, finding and retrieving shit off the ocean floor is a massive pain in the ass.
Even if they located the blocks and deployed their best winches and cranes, how would they have rigged the load for lifting? Someone or something has to rig it with straps and/or chains all the way down there.
Come to think of it, all of this may be why they opted not to look the pyramids. They knew it was impossible.
I am an anglo living in anglo land. Not very keen on a lot of it, but it has retained some of its redeeming qualities. I don't envision myself staying here, though I am not decided yet.
>Sorry, I didn't see you. Is this jealousy, rando-anon? You know it is unattractive for a man to be ruled by his effeminate emotions, don't you? Maybe you're just sad you don't get to wear nice shoes like these? I get it, modernity is often disappointing
kek I am that swedeanon you convinced to buy an m/39 rucksack on the other board that shall not be mentioned. And since I am Swedish I therefore have autism but I was actually being genuine and wasn't saying it in a mocking manner. If I had as much /comfy/ gear as you I'd consider staying down there for that reason alone.
I was last in London 5 years ago and was only around Parliament/Westminster so I didn't see anything odd. I can imagine it is utter shite though, as is the second city. I have never seen an English city and liked it, they are all ugly and lacking any distinctive identity. Just a slurry of brown and gray, that's all most of England is now. Rural and semi-rural areas are still beatiful though. Coincidentally, I want to see Denmark one day. What's it like?
>could you please let me know if it gets better past your prime years
Not him but no, it gets exponentially worse. At 30 you don't have half the energy you had at 20. Women get worse. Work gets worse. Your body gets worse. Society gets worse because 28-30 is the exact point when you're supplanted by the next generation, which will be worse and completely alien to you. Your 20s are your 100% years where you are supposed to give it all and get on track so that your 30s won't be a trainwreck.
It won't get better on its own. Anon you are 20, you are a MAYUN now, you can get things done. Trust me, you have the power and spirit to break through and change things and overcome the odds simply because.of your age. Later on you might realize that you squandered your opportunities because of fear, fear of failing (you have enough inner reaources to fail over and over right now) or fear of disappointong your family and other bullshit but this fire won't be in you anymore.
Just make sensible choices. Have a plan, get a job you don't completely hate, don't "chase your dreams" in the moronic zoomerite sense. You need to carve yourself a path.
This is the best reply I've gotten on this site. It's probably because, like you said, I'm on PrepHole and people here are likely similar to me in some way or another. One question, what do you mean when you say to live as dangerously as you can? I might sound dumb here but I don't know how to do that.
I wish I knew people like you in real life, but I haven't a single friend. We value similar things. From a very young age I have valued the truth and being honest more than many other people that I've come across. I somehow just knew that integrity was important, no one really taught it to me. I watched a video last year about how modernity has robbed us men of our rites of passage and how this creates people who run the course of their entire lives as children. I don't mean to 'over share' but I didn't have the best childhood shall we say and I think that made me see some realities early in life but I know that I am still a child in many ways. For the past few years I've just sat in my room rotting away, just wanting to not exist honestly. I recently discovered that I have EU citizenship and I am contemplating my own rite of passage either throughout Europe or in one specific country. I read about how viking raids were a rite of passage for young males crossing oceans into foreign and hostile lands, younger than me and it kind of disturbed me to think that I am older than those guys would have been and have done nothing. I have an urge to get away, I am unsure if this is a desire to run away from my failures and problems or a natural urge that I need to address. It recently came in the form of a bike ride that I didn't end until 43 miles because I just wanted to get away. It was imusive and unlike me, I hadn't any food or water and had to eat berries and find water. Felt good after but I want to really get far away, I'd miss my family so it wouldn't be permanent but I need to do something. I can't just sit around waiting to die, missing out on everything as the years pass me faster and faster. Sorry for the blog, I didn't mean to derail the thread. Anyway, thanks for taking the time, anon.
Does anyone make watertight add-on pouches? My main bag is all but water-proof for rain and fording, but I want two pouches just big enough to move electronics and my hammock into while still being water-tight with either a roll-top or something like those tru-zip things.
I have successfully salvaged a broken umbrella into water-resistant stuff sacks. For electronics I use a silicone ziplock bag, it fits all my power banks, batteries, cables etc and it's much more packable than an admin pouch.
What surplus bags would you guys recomend for a reasonable price? I want something made of canvas that isn't ridiculously large. Something that wouldn't be out of place as and edc to take to work, etc.
i want to make one important amendment. >If they are atrocious, walk away from them and give them no time nor heed. forgiveness only guarantees repetition of past bullshit.
getting away from my insane shit family was one of the best things i ever did for my overall happiness and productivity and everything.
t. >30 year old anon from atrocious family
those who earn forgivness, yes. >so you don't carry around hate for the blood within you
but i don't hate myself, i don't really harbour hate for my family. I'm not a man of malice. I'm a new man, different from them, the blood that flows within my veins is a new chapter! and it only started when i truly got away from them.
>I'll bump the shovel-thread to remind anyone who wants to help dig each other out of their respective pits to come over there.
shovel thread has many levels, thankyou anon.
I want a daypack that’s good for hunting, and to me that mostly means quiet. Are packs from companies like Osprey, REI, Granite Gear quiet during both normal use and brushing against leaves and branches, or should I be looking at (more expensive) packs intended specifically for hunting?
>Hunting packs are not necessarily quieter, they are designed to help you carry heavy carcass out of the woods
And generally also to have built in scabbards/straps/holsters for rifles, bows, crossbows, quivers, ammo and mags, and in some cases, sidearms.
To be honest, I like the idea of dressing head to toe in some of the hunting meme camo + a balaclava with matching hunting meme camo whitetail/elk backpack, getting a recurve (I did some archery back in the day and shot bows at a hay target for hours in the backyard as a kid on many an afternoon, somewhat familiar), and going full-blown redneck zen archer....
But the problem is navigating the insane rat's nest of seasonal and regional/state regulations, tag fees, licenses, permits, bag limits, and then after you put up with all that bullshit you have to figure out where you can go. So you then enter a rat's nest of figuring out who owns what land, seeing if you know someone who knows someone, trying to figure out if there are any good spots on government-owned land (prepare to apply for two or three more permits), and then when you figure that out there'll probably already be rednecks in all the good spots.
Then you spend a lot of time lying in wait. Maybe I'd be okay with that, might even love it; maybe not.
I have redneck buddies who've hunted all their lives, and who know people who know people (for access to good hunting grounds), but I'm not part of that world.
But I'd sure love to have some venison to smoke. Maybe it'd be worth all the expense, time, and hassle....
>What's a good pack for all-day hikes for a complete beginner city slicker?
Seconding anon above, just use what you have. For a non-overnight hike over an easy, established trail (which is what you should begin with), a ratty old Jansport school backpack will be just fine.
Water will weigh the most. You should technically bring about 2L (couple of 36 oz. bottles), which will weigh 4.5 lbs., but it's a dayhike, so you can get away with one bottle. Hydrate thoroughly before setting out.
Don't need much food, small bag of trail mix (700-800 cal.) and a little wedge of hard cheese will represent 1k calories and round food/water up to about 5 lbs. You'll burn more than that if you're hiking 8ish hours, but that's what breakfast and dinner are for.
After that, light jacket, fleece, and/or poncho, cell phone with optional dry sleeve, extra socks, cheapass minimal Walmart premade first aid kit or just a wad of stuff from your medicine cabinet (it's a dayhike), and you won't need "navs" because you're sticking strictly to a trail (small disagreement with anon above here, though you'll also have your cell phone). Do not go out of sight of the trail or one of its landmarks. Novices can get lost within a few hundred, or even dozen, yards of a trail.
Throw in a power bank and small flashlight if you have one, you never know.
If you have binoculars or a very portable fishing setup (if water's nearby), bring them.
Basically you're looking at 8-12 lbs. of stuff, and you don't need a waist belt or a dedicated pack for that. If you do run out and buy a day pack, though, I recommend a sling style (make sure to look up how to use it properly).
>That heavily depends on the guy's size, fitness and climate. I go through 1.5L on just a two hour dayhike in my climate.
Yeah, that's true. My climate is Cfb/Oceanic/Subtropical Highland, so I can get away with some literal sips on a short dayhike of 3-6 hours and just go home slightly parched. Having to carry 18 lbs. of water haulage for an 8- to 10-hour hike is crazy to me.
>And a quick google maps printout and a button compass doesn't run out of batteries and requires very little skill.
It's hard for me to judge how it would be to not know how to read a map, since I learned as a kid, but my assumption is my feeling is that these would be close to useless for someone who never learned and hasn't been keeping track of landmarks/their location; also possibly instill a false sense of confidence. The phone though will tell them which way automatically, yes.
>What is the advantage to the sling-bag in your opinion?
You can undo the sternum strap, sling it onto your chest, and mess with your stuff without even breaking stride. When not in use, it's off your chest, leaving room for binocs, lanyard with phone dry sleeve, etc. I'm a fly fisherman though, so I'm biased in this regard. I can stick my rod into the special holder on my pack, change the leader from the spool attached to the pack, open a flap to get a fly and tie it on, detach rod, zip it all up, sling it back and restrap.
Whereas with a regular old pack you have to take it all the way off and jostle with it to mess around with it and its contents.
I finally pulled my old Kelty from the mid-1990s out of Mom's storage shed. I'd estimate it had approximately five weeks/350 miles of hiking on it, and other than a bit of expected wear and tear from a teenager chucking it 20 ft. down onto some boulder or whatever, it's still completely fine. Inside it, I found:
>an old rape whistle (made in Taiwan) on a black lanyard >a tiny little metal Tylenol tin with an expiration date of 1989 and a few pills still inside >an old-school dry sleeve with boxes of matches still in it, probably all still good >one carabiner >various bungee cords >a cheap, narrow (90s-style), purple-lensed pair of sunglasses, probably belonged to some chick
Like an idiot, I didn't think to grab a pic until I decided to post about it. I'll do that later.
Because if you have lead on your hands you will containment everything you touch. When you shoot,the lead in the primer and bullet vaporize and get all over you and your clothes, that's why when you come home from the range you should wash your cloths separately from the rest of the load.
Lead poisoning is major problem in the military and in barracks >https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-military-housing/
Lead is everywhere, because the soldiers either don't care or the precautions they are taking aren't enough. Hand soap isn't enough to remove lead from you hands. You need to use either Dlead or automotive shop soap that has dirt, or the bits of shells to really get those bits of lead out of your hand.
I would honestly advise against getting a surplus backpack. They are more trouble then they are worth. I would recommend getting a civilians hiking pack that is going to be a lot more comfortable and better quality then a milsurp bag. There are many that in a similar style as the milsurp bag.
>I don't think you understand how little shooting is done while rucking full packs
Shooting doesn't have been done with the pack on. Its when you shoot, and start going through your pack with your lead covered hand is how the lead gets into the pack.
If that is too much, you can get them in a canister for like $20. It's worth it. Lead poisoning isn't fun. >developmental delays, abdominal pain, neurological changes, and irritability. At very high levels, it can be fatal
Bought one of these yesterday. I was looking for a bag with a pull cord/flip closing top and something that didn't have a bunch of useless "organisation" compartments for shit to get lost in. Was expensive, I've never spent real money on a day pack before so was a little sceptical. Haven't hiked with it yet but I loaded it up so I could adjust the frame and straps and it seems incredibly comfortable. Anyone else have one and can talk from experience about durability, things to look out for etc?
I've got a few packpacks. I use a CFP90 assault pack as a day pack, a lbt 3 day assault as a weekend bag, Gregory stout 60 for backpacking, large Alice pack for winter camping.
I've got an ilbe coming that I want to set up as a (larp) INCH bag but mainly use for extended winter camping/hunting this year.
Haven't gone backpacking in a couple years. Im gonna try to change that this spring.
Recently got a German E-tool + Särmä TST MOLLE holder. Very glad I got the holder too because the original it came with was completely wrecked.
Satisfied with both so far, but I have yet to test it out innawoods (arrived a day after I got back from a hiking trip lol).
Pic related - e tool in the holder on my Jääkäri L.
Very cool. Does the sheath have any protection against the blade, or is it just raw webbing? By the way, if you need a bit more security on that locking mechanism, you can fold the smallest pull-tab in behind the larger one, and/or increase the friction by sliding in a stick behind the tabs.
It's just raw webbing, but a bit thicker and stiffer than normal. I don't think there will be any problems with wear, the tip of the shovel isn't too sharp. Have you had any problems with this?
>you can fold the smallest pull-tab in behind the larger one
Cheers. Last time I carried a modern E-tool was in my early days in the army (now I'm a dirty civie using a fixed short spade), and we were issued the Glock spade. It had a platic holster, which itself went into a nylon carrier, which was carried centrally on the back of the webbing belt. Pretty smart actually, there was no risk of damaging the textile at all, even with a sharpened blade, and the ridigidity offered a shelf to support the backpack when that was worn. The Sarma carrier itself looks better than the nylon carrier I was issued though. I'd avoid sharpening the blade if I were you though.
I'd like to keep my backpack packed (other than food) so I can grab it at a moment's notice, but I'm worried that leaving it packed, the compression straps cinched, etc. for days at a time unused will stress the fabric/seams.stitches unnecessarily. So, I always leave it mostly unpacked.
Is this a baseless worry? Just wondering if someone keeps theirs packed and hasn't noticed an issue over a period of years.
Broad thick leather belt. Mauser pouches from the Balkans (the small double pouch). Each one can hold two altoid tins for reference. BAR pouches from Sweden (the three medium sized ones). Deep enough for two mags, big enough to swallow two or three standard hip flasks. Last one is a MAT49 pouch from France, but quite modified, so my picture is not representative. If you're in Europe, this is all dirt cheap for the handmade high quality you get, but remember leather grease to restore and maintain it.
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Me again., I forgot to ask. I am in Europe. Where did you buy the pouches? Where should I look for this kind of gear?
>cute dog
Thanks. Not the usual response people have when they see the 100 pound wolfdog, but I agree! >shops
I apologize for the delay, I just got back from a ban kek.
Many of my sources for gear are small antiquities shops and collectors from around Europe that are often not translated into English at all, so speaking additional languages is very useful. English-speaking shops that I am familiar with have been mentioned ITT by other helpful anons. Militarysurplus.eu is ultra-cheap but sluggish and very Eastbloc. Varusteleka is good, but expensive. Flöby, in my opinion, is right on the money. I’ve also found stuff on Etsy, but it is very overpriced there. And off course, as another anon has suggested, keep an eye on eBay.
>implying I go outside to be convenient and comfortable
Cheers anon! Kek it's a butthurt jannie that doesn't like me promoting traditional European values because it reminds him of his own weakness. Several posts were banned due to racism (despite the fact that I was referring to the disgusting cultural practice of genital mutilation among the Semitic linguistic and cultural groups, which are not inherently racial identities), others were deemed off-topic, and some were deemed trolling. The supermajority of my posts were also wiped off the board with no explanation, so I can only assume that this is a personal gripe, rather than a fair enforcement of the rules. I'm not about to stop shovelposting. Case in point, picrel was the comfy stuff I brought PrepHole to enjoy the equinox sunset during my ban.
2 years ago
Anonymous
relentlessly based and supremely redpilled
how do you carry actual glass flasks in a ruck without worrying about breakage?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Cheers. >how do you carry actual glass flasks in a ruck without worrying about breakage?
Like this.
Nice pic, except for the bottle cap.
Kek good eye. It irks me too, but my four cork/bamboo-plugged canteens (3L) were not enough, so I had to bring three semi-modern ones (+3L) as well with plastic lids. Two people + big dog + arid mountainous region = lots of water consumption kek. I am waiting for some more antique canteens in the mail though, so hopefully you won't see such atrocities again kek.
2 years ago
/out/ie
>It irks me too
Fixed. Gave you another potion of recovery as well. Use it wisely.
2 years ago
Anonymous
based and correctpilled.
jidf will never stop us.
love your animal skins, what you got there? also how do you use them? i assume for sleeping but in what arrangement?
2 years ago
Anonymous
You can’t conquer a free man; the most you can do is ban him.
Thanks! Red deer, reindeer, seal and sheep from all over Europe (and Greenland). I'm cheating a bit and layering them on top of a super thin folding Bundeswehr milsurp mat, mostly to protect the pelts from sharp pebbles. And there's obviously a wool blanket too. This week was the first time the whole bundle came PrepHole, and it was just for a sunset picnic. I have yet to try overnighting PrepHole on them, but it was very comfy to lie on after eating. We use them at home in the winter though, both to comfy up the couch and to bundle under at night. The sheepskin is slit lengthwise about halfway, starting from the tail. That allows me to use it like a tiny cloak (ruana-style) slash waistcoat. Very comfy, and still doubles as pillow or additional ground insulation for the torso, or whatever. I'm gonna experiment a bit with the pelt-bundle to prove that my LARP is doable even in colder climates than where I currently live. I'll post updates as I get results (probably in the shovelthread).
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I'll post updates as I get results (probably in the shovelthread).
looking forward to it. my mate used a sheepskin at one of our recent camping meets, for hammock insulation. said it worked really well.
why are noobs on this board afraid of wild animals? i don't understand. i've been backpacking in deep wilderness in the most cougar dense part of the world and places with healthy grizzly populations and its never even remotely been a concern. you should only have to plan around wildlife if you're going somewhere with a real apex predator such as polar bears or great white sharks. nothing else even remotely is interested in hunting you.
i think it says a lot that all the anons who live places like canada, alaska, scandanavia with actual dangerous predators don't make a big deal about it.
and anons who live places with zero apex predators like the east coast of america, almost all of europe, etc always have these larp theorycrafter posts about all the guns they bring into the woods for animals that don't even exist where they live.
i blame that dumb ass missing 411 book.
>i think it says a lot that all the anons who live places like canada, alaska, scandanavia with actual dangerous predators don't make a big deal about it.
They... do though. Like you're just straight up wrong.
>most cougar dense part of the world
like to put it into perspective last night i walked out to my car and had a cougar scream at me from the dark, in my neighborhood. i run into cougars bobcats and black bears all the time walking my dog around here.
belly laugh funny that a lot of the ppl on this board who larp as bad ass mountain men in camo military fatigues are more afraid of wildlife than my pomeranian.
Imagine being so dumb you think concern = fear. There might be a million reasons for anons to be concerned about predators. Perhaps they go PrepHole with family, or let their dog run free, or live near rapey minorities, or whatever. But you go on ahead and ridicule the very survival instinct of your forefathers that allowed you to walk your gay squirrel and gaypost about it.
hey man i didn't choose the dog. he can't help that he's a homosexual, don't bully my dog. my sister dumped him on me when she moved. he's a good boy and he's not afraid of grizzlies! >Perhaps they go PrepHole with family
most of them probably aren't even legal age yet rule 2 etc >let their dog run free
i read these posts about anons' dayhike arsenals all the time on this board. never any mention of a dog.
You chose me to make your "noob" claim in response to. I'll let the dysgenic pet rodent thing go, but you can't just reply to me and then respond with "oh well its the other posters". I am armed (within the law) even when I go to the post office, why would I disarm to go PrepHole?
don't conflate me thinking y
this board's fear of black bears and squirrels is hilarious with antigun-gaygery. be my guest to bring it. just be honest, for most anons the reason to have it isn't wildlife. you just like guns and there's nothing wrong with that. own it. acting like its about animals is cuckish. most places you actually need a gun in north america usually require you to bring one to get a permit to be there anyways.
don't conflate me thinking this board's fear of black bears and squirrels is hilarious, with antigun-gaygery. be my guest to bring a gun bro. just be honest, for most anons the reason to have it isn't wildlife. you just like guns and there's nothing wrong with that. own it. acting like its about animals is cuckish. most places you actually need a gun in north america usually require you to bring one to get a permit to be there anyways.
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why are noobs on this board afraid of wild animals? i don't understand. i've been backpacking in deep wilderness in the most cougar dense part of the world and places with healthy grizzly populations and its never even remotely been a concern. you should only have to plan around wildlife if you're going somewhere with a real apex predator such as polar bears or great white sharks. nothing else even remotely is interested in hunting you.
i think it says a lot that all the anons who live places like canada, alaska, scandanavia with actual dangerous predators don't make a big deal about it.
and anons who live places with zero apex predators like the east coast of america, almost all of europe, etc always have these larp theorycrafter posts about all the guns they bring into the woods for animals that don't even exist where they live.
i blame that dumb ass missing 411 book.
In that post, I specifically mentioned both human and animal predators, and used the word concern, while simultaneously overtly assuming that the newguy I was advising didn't have to concern himself about that. You've conflated that with fear, gun-LARPing and so on, and implied that I was a cowardly noob. This one is on you, friend. You assumed too much.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>human predators
missing 411 is fake
fbi released the dennis martin files this year
2 years ago
Anonymous
>burgerslang
Not everyone on the internet is American. We have feral muslims over here. >trusting the government
ngmi
2 years ago
Anonymous
>trusting the government
the fbi no less
2 years ago
Anonymous
Hey man. They investigated themselves and found themselves clear of any and all wrongdoing. Stop asking questions.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Hey man. They investigated themselves and found themselves clear of any and all wrongdoing. Stop asking questions.
if you actually read it the entire thing implicates the fbi in massive incompetence and makes them look like shit.
why do people post about things they've never read, done, know nothing about, etc so much on PrepHole?
so many examples.......
like the anon who sperged about how trailrunners are ill suited for mountains making threads for months then said the highest mountain he's been on was 2k (feet not meters LOL)
or that anon in the compass thread right now who thinks you can draw a bearing from one of those button compasses.
batony chop chop anons who learned how to split wood from youtube and don't know what a wedge is....
so many examples on this awful 3 letter board. global rule 2 needs to be enforced harder.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Imagine shilling for the government on a Montenegrin lemonfarming forum. >Gov report
I don't read enemy propaganda
2 years ago
Anonymous
why hasn't david paulides talked about the dennis martin files?
he's a book salesman and very likely a israelite.
2 years ago
Anonymous
this guy's a rabbi with the side curls shaved off
2 years ago
Anonymous
>trusting the government
the fbi no less
Hey man. They investigated themselves and found themselves clear of any and all wrongdoing. Stop asking questions.
the dennis martin files have been available to the public and free to access for almost a year.
why hasn't david paulides talked about it?
if you do any basic independent research on anything in his books you quickly come to the realization he lies through omission constantly.
Lots of reasons. Larping (negative), larping (positive, as in historical reenactment), wanting certain materials or features that are uncommon now, getting something affordable that wasn't made in China, thinking the varusteleka description was funny, giving yourself lead poisoning to increase your aggression and will to kill another man, etc
>giving yourself lead poisoning to increase your aggression and will to kill another man, etc
I don't need lead poisoning for that, I just need to listen to rap music for 5 seconds
Lots of reasons. Larping (negative), larping (positive, as in historical reenactment), wanting certain materials or features that are uncommon now, getting something affordable that wasn't made in China, thinking the varusteleka description was funny, giving yourself lead poisoning to increase your aggression and will to kill another man, etc
To give one example in this thread, the “waterproof” PU coating in a lot of modern hiking packs has a short lifespan before it dissolves into goo, so buying something older can be one way to avoid that
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. Guessing it's not a common reason, but it's one of them
Actually, to get somewhat back on topic, does anyone know if Tasmanian Tiger's bags have the PU coating inside?
older packs used PU coating more, modern packs are starting to phase it out. anything marketed for ultralighters won't have PU.
Lots of reasons. Larping (negative), larping (positive, as in historical reenactment), wanting certain materials or features that are uncommon now, getting something affordable that wasn't made in China, thinking the varusteleka description was funny, giving yourself lead poisoning to increase your aggression and will to kill another man, etc
there are hundreds of small business and 1 man cottage brands who hand make bags in America. harder to get for europeans though. quite a few of them are affordable.
europe's cottage industry is a lot smaller though.
What's the point of buying old gear outside of larping? New gear is made to be more convenient and comfortable
in america when i talk to people with mil packs about it, its usually people who realized the packs at outfitters suck and they just aren't aware the cottage industry exists so they default to what they know.
so while i wait for my maxped falcon ii/iii rucks, what pouches do you recommend? i want my cookware and fak in molle/pals pouches so i can switch them between rucks without having to reorganize
Shit will probably flop around. I personally prefer my stuff to be inside the back, if possible.
Good brand for pouches of all kinds is Tasmanian Tiger, doesn't glow in IR either, if that is something you consider. The small admin pouch is from them.
If you don't care about that, just get cheap chink shit, it's good enough.
https://de.aliexpress.com/item/4001322028145.html
If you are fine with multiple camo patterns, try US military sustainment pouch (big size) or the 200 round molle saw gunner pouch. The saw gunner pouch has plastic inserts on the site to give it a bit of rigidity.
If you want a more uniform look 5.11 does well designed pouches.
Right, I'll ask one more time, since I received no answer: Will leaving your backpack packed/compressed for days put significant strain on the fabric, seams, and stitching?
I've always assumed it would, but I could be wrong, and having my pack ready to go anytime would be convenient.
>packed/compressed
those are two opposite ends of a spectrum to me... when a bag is packed, it is expanded, when it is compressed it is squashed into a tiny ball.
if you leave a bag packed and it is not total shite quality, and you haven't done something like hang it up by one zipper, then it will be fine.
keep it on the ground, in a supported area, so there's no weight on it really.
>when it is compressed it is squashed into a tiny ball.
I mean with the compression straps cinched down. It's a Mystery Ranch pack. When I say packed, I don't mean overpacked, but a backpacking pack is stil generally fairly snug when fully packed, not just loose stuff tossed in.
Thanks for the input, I think I'll continue to store unpacked.
I think it's best practice to store shit uncompressed (if in a compression pack) and unpacked (if a backpack). However I doubt that leaving a few things e.g. your pack liner loosely in the pack will cause any damage whatsoever.
Really, it was wishful thinking on my part. If fabric, seams, and/or stitches are under tension, it stands to reason that their integrity will degrade faster than it would by simple aging.
Honestly, if your pack is a Mystery Ranch I think you can do literally anything you want with it and it won't fail. Their packs are built like tanks and I'm sure this doesn't even count as remotely abusive by those standards. But putting gear into a pack and cinching a few compression straps, if you use compression bags, is a matter of minutes so I don't see the point unless you're doing this for bugout purposes or something like that
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Honestly, if your pack is a Mystery Ranch I think you can do literally anything you want with it and it won't fail.
Probably. I got the Bridger 55, because it has the capacity and features I need (my old 40L isn't holding quite enough to suit me, while I don't need the features of their milspec packs), and it could be considered a "budget" MR pack, but it is built like a tank and the harness and straps are like a baby car seat stuffed with a cloud, just like everyone said. Looks good, too, and will look even better when it's well worn in.
>packed/compressed
those are two opposite ends of a spectrum to me... when a bag is packed, it is expanded, when it is compressed it is squashed into a tiny ball.
if you leave a bag packed and it is not total shite quality, and you haven't done something like hang it up by one zipper, then it will be fine.
keep it on the ground, in a supported area, so there's no weight on it really.
I already have a us alice belt that I would have liked to be able to make work with the pack as its hip belt, similar to the austrian issue combat belts. I looked up the austrain belt and it looks very similar to the us alice belt but im not sure which ones were even right for this pack. I thought that I may be able to cut some of the threads on the loops there the free up some more room and make the alice work. Is that a bad idea? I drew red lines over the threads I was thinking on cutting - I think I should be fine if I did that, the way the straps get loaded. Any anons whove messed with their packs before for modifications or integrate them with different kit have input?
pack is austrain kaz03 piece i ordered from varusteleka to replace my old framed jansport backpack. It has the aluminum quick belt piece which is nice but i new it wouldnt come with the belt that its designed to integrate with
the proper belt looks like this
guess you can try that, but it might be flimsy at you'd have only canvas and no tight fit
the other way would be sowing three loop on your alice belt and using that aluminium piece to hold them in place
Thanks anon, ill try and scope out one of those belts or consider sowing loops onto the alice.
Id rather not cut threads and molest an otherwise perfectly fine item of vintage
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Thanks anon, ill try and scope out one of those belts or consider sowing loops onto the alice.
Id rather not cut threads and molest an otherwise perfectly fine item of vintage
I'm a complete novice to sewing or any sort of gear modifications/repair. I was thinking that some heavy weight polypropylene strap material off of amazon might be good to use to make as loops on the alice belt. That being said how should one going about making that modification? What sort of method would you use to sew thick canvas type of material together, would you have to use a machine?
pack is austrain kaz03 piece i ordered from varusteleka to replace my old framed jansport backpack. It has the aluminum quick belt piece which is nice but i new it wouldnt come with the belt that its designed to integrate with
I already have a us alice belt that I would have liked to be able to make work with the pack as its hip belt, similar to the austrian issue combat belts. I looked up the austrain belt and it looks very similar to the us alice belt but im not sure which ones were even right for this pack. I thought that I may be able to cut some of the threads on the loops there the free up some more room and make the alice work. Is that a bad idea? I drew red lines over the threads I was thinking on cutting - I think I should be fine if I did that, the way the straps get loaded. Any anons whove messed with their packs before for modifications or integrate them with different kit have input?
Not sure why anyone would get this without the belt. The belt is so essential for proper carry. Glad I got the backpack over the ruck.
Guys, where do you buy milsurp gear? I'm in Europe. Does anybody have experience with this site?
https://www.militarysurplus.eu/search.php?filter_node%5B1%5D=152%2C1284%2C176%2C154%2C1339&filter_producer=&filter_price=&filter_new=&filter_bestseller=&filter_discount=&filter_promotion=&filter_instock=&filter_sizes=&text=MOLLE
[...] >cute dog
Thanks. Not the usual response people have when they see the 100 pound wolfdog, but I agree! >shops
I apologize for the delay, I just got back from a ban kek.
Many of my sources for gear are small antiquities shops and collectors from around Europe that are often not translated into English at all, so speaking additional languages is very useful. English-speaking shops that I am familiar with have been mentioned ITT by other helpful anons. Militarysurplus.eu is ultra-cheap but sluggish and very Eastbloc. Varusteleka is good, but expensive. Flöby, in my opinion, is right on the money. I’ve also found stuff on Etsy, but it is very overpriced there. And off course, as another anon has suggested, keep an eye on eBay.
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Based.
He's a cute pupper and I bet he's a good boy! Tell him internet stranger said that. >shops
No need to apologise. Thank you for the additional detail regarding the vendors. >Militarysurplus.eu is ultra-cheap but sluggish
What do you mean by that? Slow delivery times or something else?
whaaaat!?! free slugs with every order!? take my money!!!
2 years ago
Anonymous
lmao
https://i.imgur.com/5zFzMmQ.jpg
I'll do my best to explain it to him kek.
I think the people running the site have access to large semi-organized milsurp caches, so they have to go hunt down the thing you've ordered, which may or may not be there. This can take a few weeks for large orders. You can follow along on the website, but they write the status for individual items in Romanian shorthand, so it's a bit difficult to decipher. Delivery time is normal once they ship it. Think of your order as a wish list with an 80% success rate. They'll refund your credit card with whatever they didn't find.
I don't mean to disparage them, I have ordered hundreds of euros worth of stuff over maybe three or four times from them, but they are a peculiar vendor.
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Kek
I'll do my best to explain it to him kek.
I think the people running the site have access to large semi-organized milsurp caches, so they have to go hunt down the thing you've ordered, which may or may not be there. This can take a few weeks for large orders. You can follow along on the website, but they write the status for individual items in Romanian shorthand, so it's a bit difficult to decipher. Delivery time is normal once they ship it. Think of your order as a wish list with an 80% success rate. They'll refund your credit card with whatever they didn't find.
I don't mean to disparage them, I have ordered hundreds of euros worth of stuff over maybe three or four times from them, but they are a peculiar vendor.
I've only stayed in the woods one night. I would like try to stay in the woods for atleast 2 days, but I don't have a backpack. What's a good beginner backpack?
for two days 60 to 70L makes it easy.
something with a waist strap for long walks. doesn't need to be fancy, this pack (eurohike pathfinder II) has served me well for 8 years. chinkshit but it lasted with no real damage ????
I really like the shoulder straps and waist strap, very comfy and highly adjustable. just wish it had more top-cover for strapping a bedroll on top.
>I don't think I can get this backpack anywhere online
couldn't send you my original message, filter thinks i am spam but just search online, there's literally hundreds similar.
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Thanks for the suggestion, but I don't think I can get this backpack anywhere online. But thanks anyway for letting me know that 60L is enough volume.
I'm not pathfinder-anon.
Are you in the euro-zone import prison like me, or are you in less oppressed lands, anon? How much crap you got? Preferably, you size your backpack to your equipment, not the other way around. If you don't have your gear yet, can you describe your climate and which seasons you wanna go PrepHole in? Do you want to do steaks and beers with the fellas, three clicks from the parking lot, or do you wanna do ultralight superdistance megahiking 9000? There's no such thing as a "beginner backpack", because there's no universal answer to PrepHoleing. The more info you give us, the better we can help.
Before I started my leather-and-canvas LARP, I would easily go three enjoyable days with a 30L pack (picrel), but if I wanted to bring the drone, extra batteries, charger, solar panels and beers and steaks and a bigger tarp and shit, well then I'd bring my 105L pack for the same duration.
>I don't think I can get this backpack anywhere online
couldn't send you my original message, filter thinks i am spam but just search online, there's literally hundreds similar.
I have a tent and a sleeping bag that takes up about 30L. I need to get a sleeping mat aswell. For now let's just say I want to go PrepHole in all seasons. I live in the Netherlands so all the seasons are here. I'm more inclined to go in autumn and winter because there are no bugs and those are the comfy seasons.
I just want to go wildcamping. My goal is to spend atleast a week PrepHole eventually.
what's the bag's rating?
mine is pretty light so I'm getting a liner bag. not only it should keep the bag warmer but it should help with keeping in clean. my setup is a hammock though.
Okay, that's pretty bulky IMO. 50L is probably a good minimum for you in that case.
A mat just straps on the outside somewhere, no biggie. I would never go anywhere without a foam mat, but if you want an inflatable one for winter, you can stack the inflatable on top of the foam for extra insulation and to protect the inflatable one from punctures. I'm not familiar with PrepHoleing in the Netherlands, but I'll assume its similar to nearby regions. The ground gets real cold in the winter.
This guy
what's the bag's rating?
mine is pretty light so I'm getting a liner bag. not only it should keep the bag warmer but it should help with keeping in clean. my setup is a hammock though.
is right about liners. They take no space, and are very nice for sweaty sleepers and for winter use.
i strap my sleeping bag on the outside, i use a bivvy and make a bedroll, the bivvy is waterproof so it doesn't get wet if it rains on me a bit, however i do also have a rain cover. i rolled my bedroll super wide in this photo haha, i usually fold it in more so it makes a shorter roll.
oh to clarify;
on the bottom: rolled up green sleeping mat.
camo thing on top: bedroll
lighter thing in the middle: ???? probably a jumper or parka-insulation.
Alpenchad reports in with the bivyroll technique! Yeah, that works too to save some internal space, although it gets pretty wide IMO. I only use it if I need to be able to set up camp fast (ie. stealth camping or back in the service). There is also always the risk of puncturing the bivybag or tarp or whatever.
absolutely, however if you want to reduce the width of the bivvy-roll, fold the sides in as you roll it up, requires a bit of a technique using your knees to press it down, fold the sides in a bit, then roll, press down with knees, repeat.
i find this fits under the head of a normal british army pack. like this one
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/354156584072
may also be a good choice for you, newbie anon
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Thanks for the suggestion, but I don't think I can get this backpack anywhere online. But thanks anyway for letting me know that 60L is enough volume.
2 years ago
Anonymous
We were issued the exact same pack, but in our own vastly superior camouflage pattern kek. I can't believe I can't find a clearer picture of my issued pack from then, so you'll have to take my word for it when I say it that the british one is the same as in picrel. Don't buy that style of pack unless you're gonna be wearing it with webgear. It is designed to rest on the dorsal pouches of your belt, and it has a waist belt, not a hip belt. You'll be carrying the whole weight on the shoulders if you're not wearing webgear.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>You'll be carrying the whole weight on the shoulders if you're not wearing webgear.
oooooh that explains it! it never felt right, please link example of webgear pls & ty
2 years ago
Anonymous
See how I'm wearing a belt with a bunch of pouches on it, and that is in turn attached to an H-harness? That creates a shelf upon which the pack is designed to rest. This is considered outdated and bulky nowadays, and everybody is a highspeed high-cut plate-carrier operator these days. I served during the transition from webgear to plate carriers, which resulted in some rather odd temporary solutions kek.
2 years ago
Anonymous
My current PrepHole kit is also webgear + backpack, although the webgear uses a Y-harness rather than an H-harness, and is leather. Same principle though. Webgear takes some getting used to, and there's a lot of fiddling with the strap lengths and the tension and so on, but once it's set up properly, it is barely felt.
2 years ago
Anonymous
In contrast to the 1990s style green kit, my modern 2010s "slick" kit moved the gear away from the waist and hips and onto the chest and thigh(s), which then allows for modern packs to put weight on the hip belt, and also favors modern clothing styles (low waist slim-fit etc.). Some hiking companies like HPG make kitbags and chestrigs and stuff for civie PrepHoleing, but I ended up just going back to the webgear, since I don't wear body armor on a regular basis anymore, and I like old stuff.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>pic
this is how my proposed special operations branch of the park service would deal with litterers. take your stupid disposable water bottle with you you stupid Black folk!
2 years ago
Anonymous
Breaching operations to give people back their trash kek?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Could also just do it from a distance, I guess.
(not my picture)
2 years ago
Anonymous
>not zero ultra
these dipshits had one singular mission to accomplish
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm not even sure that existed back then. When I was in, the Danish infantry was effectively fueled by, as well as a cult to, the green Monster.
Picrel is what I mean with "wide". Standard-issue 20" barrel M16 and 105L pack for scale. I don't remember exactly what's packed inside the Carinthia bivy in this picture, but I'm guessing two Z-lites, a chunky Carinthia winter bag and a silk liner (my standard winter-kit back then). I must have been in a hurry or real tired when I packed it, because I should've put the camo tarp on the bottom of the roll, to protect against abrasion when dumping the pack.
absolutely, however if you want to reduce the width of the bivvy-roll, fold the sides in as you roll it up, requires a bit of a technique using your knees to press it down, fold the sides in a bit, then roll, press down with knees, repeat.
i find this fits under the head of a normal british army pack. like this one
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/354156584072
may also be a good choice for you, newbie anon [...]
Yeah, good technique, and good description of it for newbies and lurkers. I also use it when I roll my furs for my current PrepHole kit. I've used that technique in picrel as well, but the roll is still as wide as the sleeping pad obviously, and then a bit extra as the kit gets thrown around a bit.
I need a recommendation for medium and large backpacks. Something sturdy that won't fail me. I just want to be able to carry enough stuff to be PrepHole for a certain amount of time.
I am not sure if you need more info to recommend something. Let me know. Thanks in advance, PrepHole.
hey namegay do you have any experience with austrian milsurp?
just bought a KAZ 03 ruck without really doing much research on it
The KAZ03 looks nice. Shame about the belt. I set up a restock notification, but I wonder if it will be restocked at all.
https://www.varusteleka.com/en/product/austrian-kaz-03-battle-belt-surplus/70586
https://i.imgur.com/5zFzMmQ.jpg
I'll do my best to explain it to him kek.
I think the people running the site have access to large semi-organized milsurp caches, so they have to go hunt down the thing you've ordered, which may or may not be there. This can take a few weeks for large orders. You can follow along on the website, but they write the status for individual items in Romanian shorthand, so it's a bit difficult to decipher. Delivery time is normal once they ship it. Think of your order as a wish list with an 80% success rate. They'll refund your credit card with whatever they didn't find.
I don't mean to disparage them, I have ordered hundreds of euros worth of stuff over maybe three or four times from them, but they are a peculiar vendor.
[...]
Kek
I am rereading the thread to gather info about backpacks and I realised I read your post without looking at the pic. He's a cute doggie!
I need a recommendation for medium and large backpacks. Something sturdy that won't fail me. I just want to be able to carry enough stuff to be PrepHole for a certain amount of time.
I am not sure if you need more info to recommend something. Let me know. Thanks in advance, PrepHole.
As I said in the other thread, read this thread. You'll realize that you need to give a lot more specifics before anyone can actually help you. I have used over a dozen packs in the past decade alone, ranging from €15 to €600, and they all had pros and cons that would make them useful or useless depending on context.
https://i.imgur.com/XLSzJ64.jpg
Bought a backpack last week.
https://vorn.no/en/shop/vorn-ev30/
Super happy with it so far, though the gun scabbard is a little tight for my chassis rifle with a big ass scope.
I'll be getting a dedicated hunting rifle for next season, so that's not really something I will whine too much about.
Am I seeing this wrong, or will the compression straps put all the tension on the zippers? Is there some sort of internal bypass where the black reinforcements are?
I guess you would put a bit of tension on the zippers if you were to cinch it down really tight, but it's a somewhat small daypack, and for just stabilizing my load, the zippers weren't really under any tension.
They didn't gape or anything when I opened it, and closing them didn't take any effort, so if there was tension on them, it was very little.
I can try to see inside when I get home, if they did anything special to reduce to load on the zippers.
Packed it pretty damn full, and did adjust it in the field as I changed layers due to weather, and all I can say is that whatever they did, it seems to work.
I don't want to rain on your parade, but unless there's some sort of hidden mechanism, that seems like terrible design to me. Zippers are THE weak point on a lot of modern kit, and tension will cause them to fail earlier.
Contrast with the MR3DAP that has the straps going on top of the zipper, to lighten the tension on the zipper, rather than the other way around.
https://i.imgur.com/8CnTsJp.jpg
[...]
I'm not pathfinder-anon.
Are you in the euro-zone import prison like me, or are you in less oppressed lands, anon? How much crap you got? Preferably, you size your backpack to your equipment, not the other way around. If you don't have your gear yet, can you describe your climate and which seasons you wanna go PrepHole in? Do you want to do steaks and beers with the fellas, three clicks from the parking lot, or do you wanna do ultralight superdistance megahiking 9000? There's no such thing as a "beginner backpack", because there's no universal answer to PrepHoleing. The more info you give us, the better we can help.
Before I started my leather-and-canvas LARP, I would easily go three enjoyable days with a 30L pack (picrel), but if I wanted to bring the drone, extra batteries, charger, solar panels and beers and steaks and a bigger tarp and shit, well then I'd bring my 105L pack for the same duration.
If I was stuck with your pack, I'd try to figure out how to connect the straps on either side of the zipper with a loop of paracord or whatever, so the zipper is under as little tension as possible. >it seems to work
I'm not implying that it won't work for a while. I'm just saying that it will definitely fail way earlier than necessary because of this; and then you end up having to make some sort of field expedient version of what I'm suggesting with the paracord loop.
Bought a backpack last week.
https://vorn.no/en/shop/vorn-ev30/
Super happy with it so far, though the gun scabbard is a little tight for my chassis rifle with a big ass scope.
I'll be getting a dedicated hunting rifle for next season, so that's not really something I will whine too much about.
>body
There is no body on a frame like that. That's the whole point. You just tie whatever you want to it.
[...]
Ok, but which are its applications? For when you don't have a backpack and you suddenly need one?
What do you mean? The application is to carry shit?
can somebody recommend me a 65L+ pack for SHTF ?
I have a Miltec Assault 2 pack (40L) and I dont really trust in it despite it still holding up.
My backup plan for if I dont find a good backpack is that I just get a military Seesack and stuff everything inside.
>SHTF pack
A BOB or an INCH bag? Forget about the INCH bag unless you're motorized and/or in some group of ex-SOF survivalist types. BOB depend on your context. Are you bugging out on foot or in a vehicle, are you going to your sister's house ten clicks away, or to some hidden shelter a three week hike up into the mountains or what? SHTF bags are a meme unless it is part of a waaaaay larger prep system including vehicles and stashes and buddies and so on. Just go PrepHole instead of theorycrafting, friend. If you wanna prep, stack useful resources at home. If you wanna LARP, knock yourself out! >can somebody recommend
Not without you describing more of the usual list of necessary information. Budget, materials, color, design, activity, climate, seasons, etc. >miltec
Yeah, that's gonna fail on you.
In contrast to the 1990s style green kit, my modern 2010s "slick" kit moved the gear away from the waist and hips and onto the chest and thigh(s), which then allows for modern packs to put weight on the hip belt, and also favors modern clothing styles (low waist slim-fit etc.). Some hiking companies like HPG make kitbags and chestrigs and stuff for civie PrepHoleing, but I ended up just going back to the webgear, since I don't wear body armor on a regular basis anymore, and I like old stuff.
Nowadays, mostly yes. There are hypotheticals in which I'd choose this over a backpack, but they are rare. Mostly if carrying wet, pointy and/or dirty shit like animal carcasses or firewood.
I have in mind a BOB bag "Military Style".
I will be ON FOOT. I m going to the house of my mothers ex fiancee with whom we have good relationship.
He is a farmer (owns no guns/does not hunt but has many livestock animals like chicken, goats, Geese, turkeys
and also some Cows).
Its near the City I live in around 20-30km depending on the route. I dont have any guns with me cause of
EU laws regarding actually effective guns like proper Semi auto Rifles and Pistols of any kind
but I could get a Double Barrel 12g Shotgun/Bolt Action Rifle like a Mosin/Mauser/ any Hunting rifle that is commonly used
but lack the funds for it (price goes around 800-1300€).
> If you wanna prep, stack useful resources at home.
We always have food and supplies for around a month since the Covid morons panic bought everything the first time it started.
The thing is that I do not feel safe in a major city like this one I live in.
My country is a neutral one in the global theater but basically a NATO Sock puppet and a potentional target for anyone
since we dont belong nowhere and making a excuse would be easy.
more info about the Bag:
budget: 80-200€ (can go up to 250€ if its worth)
material: anything thats though and proven
Color: Olive Drab, Flecktarn, Marpat ect. -- (Black, Any Bright Color, Multicam and Tan and such are out of question)
activity: mainly Bugging Out but also 3 days camping trips
climate: Mild seasons of Central Europe with lots of greenery and forests, thats why I lean more towars "Green" camo and patterns.
Here is my general take on your plan:
20-30km on foot is doable in a single trip, so you don't really need any fancy shit. Even if we double the effective distance/time because you wanna cut through broken terrain for concealment and the like, it's still doable without needing to sleep. In that case, you don't really need much on your back - you should focus on storing resources at the desired location. Just get some decent footwear, appropriate clothing, and some neutral daypack to carry some ready-to-eat food, water, raingear (if relevant in your area), and laminated paper maps and a compass. I'm not gonna tell you how to prioritize your prep, but I'm guessing you are young. You have a duty to your family as well, make sure to figure out a way for them to get to the same location, establish means of communication and backup plans and so on. I realize this is a backpack thread, but you don't seem to actually need a new backpack. Get a cheapo surplus 15L-25L daypack or keep the miltec one, keep it ready to go, and don't overthink that part of it. Spend your prep-money on more convenient things that you're actually gonna need whether the SHTF or not, like medicine and food and water and so on (for example, I keep a year's worth of anti-parasitics for my dog on hand). Hike the 20-30km route and time it. Find alternate routes, not just on satellite photos, but physically. Look for good spots for improvised shelter along the way. Look for spots to avoid. >I have enough for a month
That's great. Now make it two months, make sure you rotate your supplies, eat it instead of wasting it, and so on and so forth. Spend money on tools to make things yourself. Coordinate with the farmer and your family. Make it an enjoyable family activity, rather than a stressful doomer thing. >EU laws
I feel ya, anon.
2 years ago
Anonymous
However, if you wanna LARP the boog, that's different. Survivalism innawoods is a completely different game, but pretty much entirely a LARP if you're in Europe. In that case, just lean into the LARP and get whatever you think is cool and just have some fun. I have PrepHole kit that I would trust my life with if SHTF (mostly a bunch of stuff I used back when I was this guy
https://i.imgur.com/hz5iyhS.jpg
In contrast to the 1990s style green kit, my modern 2010s "slick" kit moved the gear away from the waist and hips and onto the chest and thigh(s), which then allows for modern packs to put weight on the hip belt, and also favors modern clothing styles (low waist slim-fit etc.). Some hiking companies like HPG make kitbags and chestrigs and stuff for civie PrepHoleing, but I ended up just going back to the webgear, since I don't wear body armor on a regular basis anymore, and I like old stuff.
), but I LARP around in whatever I like on a regular basis (now that I'm this guy
https://i.imgur.com/UvW0yFJ.jpg
My current PrepHole kit is also webgear + backpack, although the webgear uses a Y-harness rather than an H-harness, and is leather. Same principle though. Webgear takes some getting used to, and there's a lot of fiddling with the strap lengths and the tension and so on, but once it's set up properly, it is barely felt.
). I'm not gonna grab my reindeer fur instead of my Carinthia bag if the bombs start falling or the vaxies start eating people's brains.
Can anybody ID this pack? Found it for 20 bucks at a flea market, seems sturdy enough that it merited a purchase. Internal frame (back has metal inserts slotted in), no internal subdivision; unclear on capacity. No labelling apart from an old REI patch, which I can't date/verify the authenticity of. Any thoughts?
>resource
Do you mean like an app? >brands
The really really expensive ones are usually pretty good.
Can you specify what you're looking for, as described literally half a dozen posts above?
>body
There is no body on a frame like that. That's the whole point. You just tie whatever you want to it.
[...]
What do you mean? The application is to carry shit?
[...] >SHTF pack
A BOB or an INCH bag? Forget about the INCH bag unless you're motorized and/or in some group of ex-SOF survivalist types. BOB depend on your context. Are you bugging out on foot or in a vehicle, are you going to your sister's house ten clicks away, or to some hidden shelter a three week hike up into the mountains or what? SHTF bags are a meme unless it is part of a waaaaay larger prep system including vehicles and stashes and buddies and so on. Just go PrepHole instead of theorycrafting, friend. If you wanna prep, stack useful resources at home. If you wanna LARP, knock yourself out! >can somebody recommend
Not without you describing more of the usual list of necessary information. Budget, materials, color, design, activity, climate, seasons, etc. >miltec
Yeah, that's gonna fail on you.
>Do you mean like an app?
More like a wiki or a website, ideally with tables containing information such as capacity, price, weight, brand, model etc. App would work, too.
>Can you specify what you're looking for
One medium sized (maybe around 25l) ideally with zips that's capable of holding 20kg+ of weight for every day use.
Another one for hunting which I must be able to carry a rifle on my back alongside it. Obviously available in a suited color, too.
>described literally half a dozen posts above
Yeah sorry, didn't feel like reading a 350+ post thread.
>Do you mean like an app?
More like a wiki or a website, ideally with tables containing information such as capacity, price, weight, brand, model etc. App would work, too.
>Can you specify what you're looking for
One medium sized (maybe around 25l) ideally with zips that's capable of holding 20kg+ of weight for every day use.
Another one for hunting which I must be able to carry a rifle on my back alongside it. Obviously available in a suited color, too.
>described literally half a dozen posts above
Yeah sorry, didn't feel like reading a 350+ post thread.
>Asks for resources on backpacks >Doesn't wanna read a thread dedicated to backpacks.
I don't know what to tell you, anon.
Here, have the original packing list. Swap for modern material as you see fit.
AGA Packliste Jaegerrucksack / mid to late 1990s/bottom to top
Rucksack, klein / "Jaegerrucksack"
On top secured with 2 pack straps (Roedelriemen):
Slep system in WP bag
Main Compartment:
(Front section)
Towel
Thermo Jacket
Hygiene kit
"NATO Rolle" Held together with 1 pack strap
-> Trousers/Blouse/Tshirt/Boxers/Socks
Goretex Bottom
Goretex Top
Field Jacket
(Back section)
Sleeping mat (to the back)
Zeltbahn
Sidepouch left
(personal items)
Socks
Sewing kit
Hankerchief
Sidepouch right
(personal items)
Shoe cleaning kit
2 packstraps attaches to main compartment straps of the pack
If you do, the picture is a replica, not surplus.
I think you should know that this backpack came with a folding sleeping pad which was your cushion against your back when worn.
Source: i used this backpack in the cold war.
Once folded you put the mat into the extra back pouch of the backpack.
The mat is really nice as a daily driver to sit or sleep on. Folded out it's roughly 2m x 0.5m, like most sleeping pads. It's closed cell, so it doesn't suck up water and if it's cold, you want to put some stuff under it, grasd, leaflitter, smaller branches, as the mat is not very thick. Weighs about 400g and is perfect to clean your Heckler und Koch G3 on.
fricking noice
I might pick one of these up to slip in my bags water carrier. I could probably cover it in mylar and get +2 r value out of my sleeping pad.
Slept last night ontop of that sleeping mat while bushcrafting, very comfy.
I have that sleeping mat. It is really thin and you barely feel you're lying on a mat if you use it. No real insulation to speak of. It fits perfectly in the small back compartment in the LK35 backpack which is why I bought it but I think I will get the savotta sleeping pad instead. But yeah it is really packable when folded.
that sleep mat is supposed to be like the military version of a thinlight. its more meant to be used supplementary than as your main sleep system. or at least that's how most people use it in the civ market.
i just ordered this mat used from varusteleka with some other stuff, 14.99 eur plus shipping
gonna use it for my next season kit which i'm already planning, mid-may/june through august
usually warm enough to sleep on the ground in those months just need some padding from sticks and stones and moisture
I think it will do well for that purpose. Looks like the original too, judging by the pics, i heard the replicas aren't even the same material.
Noice.
I will look into it. If someone knows brands that use swiveled hip belts, let me know.
Mammut Trion packs have this
“Active spine technology”
Cheers m8, you are a true gentleman.
Looked into it, it's not really the same, but close enough.
Also you have to be careful, they make a Trion and a Trion spine. Seems only the latter has the flexible hip belt.
Didn't see one under MSRP, set a price alarm for the 50l pack.
>I think you should know that this backpack came with a folding sleeping pad which was your cushion against your back when worn.
this is the one feature that most packs that aren't 'super ultralight frameless' usually lack. i love using a sleeping pad as the backpack's foam instead of carrying both for no reason, because i sleep on foam anyways. its hard to find packs with frames that are designed around one.
This is fricking awesome. Thanks for the warning!
Do you know which retailer sells genuine backpacks from OP's pic?
Nope, can't help with shops, sorry. I would rather look to ebay anyway, probably cheaper.
If the stock isn't new, it's original.
If the stock was repaired, it's original for sure.
If you find something like picrel, it's original.
Nice.
>Source: i used this backpack in the cold war.
how old are you outie? please tell us stories from the war.
>stories from the war
>the cold war
anon i....
Bit over 50. Not much to tell from my side, conscripted, did my service, went home after.
Remember the one time the Yanks induced a standing wave in Ivans gas pipeline till it exploded?
Lots of stories to be told, but none has me in it.
>Osprey Exos
Not a bad pack to be honest. I remember when it came out, very different from anything on the market.
I myself am still crying that nobody reinvented Berghauses Bioflex, which basically is a hip belt on a swivel. Mine is almost fallen apart. The Berghaus Biolite 50 is the only that really sits 100% on your hips, the shoulder straps are basically just so it doesn't fall over backwards.
Since i only shot the G3, i can't compare it to anything. Got a Silberne Schützenschnur, which means i wasn't completely helpless with it. We didn't have the TPU magazine pouches, i think ours where leather. Well, it's more than 30 years in the past, i'm sure someone made a website about the stuff.
I for one hated the alu canteen, it always smelled funny. I also hated the Pickpot, the mess kit, it's just idiotic. It has a stupid form, you can't properly eat out of it, to hot to hold in your hand, food got cold almost in seconds.
Backpack and sleeping pad where good, good enough to be used today.
I also liked the Parka, the boots, trousers and shirt. Socks where fine, as where tshirts.
The poncho was a nightmare, as was the rubberized sleeping bag, see picrel, what where they thinking? It was a condensation magnet.
Just put some stuff under it when it's cold/hard. It's very comfy just laying on the forest floor with it.
>Bit over 50
are you from this era too?
>hip belt on a swivel
Arc'tery makes backpacks like that too if you haven't looked at them before.
I have one but it gets kinda wonky if you shove 45 or 50lbs worth of stuff into it.
If I had to be in the Heer. I'd want to command a weisel. They are so cute
this thing is fricking awesome. where to cop?
I kinda wish they'd send some over to Ukraine. I bet the 20mm could still clap cheeks on BTRs and such. Might throw on trophy aps. But I don't think the armor can even stop 12.7mm .
what did you think about the g3 in terms of ergonomics, recoil, and overall? what was in your general kit during your time in the army?
t.bundeswehr larper
Not the anon you responded to, but I used the G3 for many years, then some MP5 and 416.
To me, the G3 was the gun I was most comfortable with, still miss it today.
Recoil is pretty bad, not that .308 is that powerful, but the really heavy bolt makes the felt recoil pretty brutal compared to modern guns, but it's quite delayed, so it doesn't affect single shot accuracy much.
Ergonomically, it's the best automatic weapon I have ever handled, especially when I got a buttstock that actually fit me.
Forend is slim, and the charging handle isn't moronic like on the AR platform, I also prefer the folding handle of the G3 over the one on the MP5.
The locking feature for the charging handle is only to be used for checking the chamber, burgers on youtube always frick up the manual of arms on the G3 for some reason.
I'm so jelly of you Norwegians...
t. flatland-Scandi issued old M16 clones
I want a new pack.
I currently have a ~34L internal frame from LL Bean, 10ish years old but basically a zoomer pack, that I use for weekending/long weekending; and an ancient external frame boomer pack that I first used as a teenager in the late 1990s on the AT that can carry everything in the kitchen, plus the sink.
I cannot fricking decide on a pack. Definitely want something at least around 55-60 (the LL Bean pack is still fine), but there are too many choices. 10-lb. MOLLE GI rucksack? 2 lb. spiderweb material MUH DYNEEMA 2 lb. ultralight rucksack? Something in-between, premium but not insane? Something affordable?
Someone give me an answer, or at least a sense of direction. I'm not even a gearhead, I just want to replace my external frame that's a quarter-century old.
get an inbetweener pack, between ultralight and normal. they're the best if you don't know what you want, but i also think the best in general too. i'm currently using a 55L frameless ultralight and my next pack will definitely be a 55L framed semiultralight. using a cdt and i might just buy another cdt but with a frame custom ordered. or something similar where its ultralight but not full dyneema fragile, and framed. idk how i feel about xpac its rugged enough but delams with age.
>get an inbetweener pack, between ultralight and normal. they're the best if you don't know what you want, but i also think the best in general too. i'm currently using a 55L frameless ultralight and my next pack will definitely be a 55L framed semiultralight. using a cdt and i might just buy another cdt but with a frame custom ordered. or something similar where its ultralight but not full dyneema fragile, and framed. idk how i feel about xpac its rugged enough but delams with age.
Okay, agreed. We've decided on a size (55-60) and a price and weight range (middling).
That narrows down my options by about three-quarters, maybe even 80%: nothing tiny, nothing ultramax, nothing huge, nothing heavymax, nothing too cheap, nothing crazy expensive.
But that still leaves a lot of packs to choose from. I need more criteria.
i'm in the exact same boat as you for my next pack, told ya what i'm looking at but i'm also fishing for the same if there's better options.
I brought this up in the previous/existing backpack thread
but SWD looks like another option for the search in mid-ultralight except they mostly use laminated UHMWPEs. I was hoping they would have a ripstop option, but honestly the price doesn't seem bad for what would be my first ultralight-ish pack with a frame option. Still on the fence about it, but I might just pull the trigger out of curiosity.
I recently got the Osprey Kestrel 68 for just 130€ (also 130USD) and I'm loving it so far. It weighs 1,8kg which is not much for a 68l imo. If 68l is too big for you there are smaller versions too, but it compresses down well enough if you only use half or 3/4 of the space. People also recommend the Exos pack which is supposedly very comfy and carries well.
a rolltop bag with compression straps horizontally and vertically, a 80 liter can become a ~50 liter by tightening straps
the only external frame pack maker anymore that im aware of is kelty. i have a kelty trekker 3950 and an rei wonderland which is like 60L i think. bought both for 30 bucks a long time ago. if you can find the rei wonderland its a fricking dope pack. no reservoir sleeve but it has a fat side pouch that fits a 3L hydrapack perfectly with a perfect hose position. gonna be bummed when it kicks it
this almost looks like a decent successor
i wanna move there. i goddamn hate wind. give me anything but wind.
if you want to narrow out a lot of the semiultralights look up how much the osprey in this category weighs and eliminate anything within 6oz of it. you'd be surprised how many it eliminates.
What's a cheap but comfortable surplus backpack for dayhikes with heavy weight?
It needs to be sturdy because I want to fill it with a couple of kilos of whatever and go rucking, increasing the weight/distance each time to improve my cardio, so it needs to be comfortable.
I don't want to spend too much money because I already have a main backpack, I just dont want to frick it up too fast.
The genuine surplus versions is awesome backpack but the only problem with it is a crappy hipbelt what is just a piece of belt. We could argue that it is a small volume pack that does not necessarily need one and thats true but still i felt like it could give you much more with a proper hipbelt. Heavy gear and overpacking would be a viable option with one. You also need to buy your hown sternum strap because it does not come with one.
The hip belt is only there so that the pack doesn't bounce when you run, not to bear any weight, for home use it should be removed.
Never missed a sternum strap.
hey namegay do you have any experience with austrian milsurp?
just bought a KAZ 03 ruck without really doing much research on it
Sorry, nope.
I have bought a lot of Austrian milsurp from Varusteleka. Rugged stuff and very civilian-presentable (literally just looks like normal clothing in a green color). My personal favorite kind of surplus due to its quality + neutral looks. Compared to Bundeswehr surplus it is miles better, German stuff tends to be very worn out. My personal favorite so far is the fleece jacket (pic related). Its markings say it was made only 2 years ago and is unissued.
I also have a GTX jacket (unissued from the '90s, looks brand new) but sizing is sketchy as hell because it's meant to be worn as an outer layer. Wearing it standalone feels like wearing a trench coat, still works fine but I would have gone for 1 size lower if I had known.
In terms of used Austrian surplus, I have a transparent bottle (came with a holder but holder is quite torn up, needs some repair + I have nowhere to mount it), some field shirts and a pair of non-waterproof pants (they were like 10 bucks lel). Condition is great even on the ones that have clearly seen use (pants have repair marks for example). I would generally trust Bundesheer surplus over most brands in terms of quality, but surplus is surplus and there is always exceptions.
No experience with Austrian backpacks specifically but I would assume a similar standard. However, I have spoken to an ex-mil guy from Germany who has done some pretty intensive training and his most important advice was not to cheap out on shoes or backpacks. I have a Jääkäri L + GTX Salomon Quest 4D Forces 2.
>Never missed a sternum strap.
its one of those things where if the straps are fitted very well to your shoulders by default then you won't. if they aren't then you will. i've cut them off of well fitting packs before to reduce weight and snag.
daypack hip belts usually don't bear weight that's a normal design. no sternum straps means you're at the mercy of the strap spacing but you can get straps for $3 pre-made on alibaba.
After having used a lot of different surplus packs throughout the years I finally settled on a Bergans Trollhetta 95. It's relatively light weight, has a great carrying comfort and fits everything i need for several days out. Ideally i would like some large side pockets, but since the front opens up and the top can hold a lot of stuff I haven't found the lack of pockets to be an issue.
My choice was between this and a Fjällräven Kajka, but I choose this to save some weight and I've been 100% happy.
>semiultralight
It's the professional variant of an amateur backpack hauled like a duffel.
Savvy?
Picked up one of these old style Osprey Exos on sale for $100.
It's super light, and the frame keeps the pack of your back, so you stay cool and don't soak your bag in sweat. I strap my folding pad under the pack, and I can fit a wool blanket between the pack and the top lid if I need to.
The external pockets are easy to use, and you can reach your water bottle from the top or the front of the pack. You can also lash your trekking poles to the pack if you need to.
Pretty good for a lightweight minimalist pack. I've packed it full and it was still very comfortable.
The Exos is the best pack Osprey makes. It hits that perfect middle ground between weight, durability, usefulness, and comfort. Their other packs are a bit on the heavier side because their loaded down with extra pockets.
Great find for $100. This is the model they discontinued last year (which is why they’re on sale), and started making around 2018. The model before it had hip belt pockets, shoulder strap pockets, and thicker padding. The latest model brought back the hip pockets and introduced an adjustable height suspension.
>lash your trekking poles to the pack
Most Osprey packs have a feature that lets you stow them on your side while wearing the pack. See pic.
i hate to be that schizo, but i am almost certain that these two posts are inorganic
he knows a little too much about the product's history, and both posts are written the same.
>omg paid shill!
moronic, possibly schizophrenic. PrepHole is too tiny and too obscure for anyone to bother. You’re not important.
I know about this backpacks “history” because I’ve had the same pack since about 2014; an Osprey Exos. That model had just come out. The one after it (that Anon got for $100) was a huge disappointment compared to mine, and I was worried that if I ever needed a replacement it would be a downgrade. Now a PU coating on mine is starting to flake off, so I looked at the latest version. After the winter I’ll see if they’ll honor the warranty, and hopefully they won’t have any NOS packs.
Those of us who actually go outside like to know the ins and outs of the stuff we take.
you're only digging yourself into a deeper hole my friend
Stick to your milsurp fantasies you fat homosexual.
Wow, please tell me more about the Osprey Exos(TM) PU Lining system on the new version and their great warranty service!
Are you fricking moronic? Or are you brand new? Nearly every pack out there is made with PU coated nylon.
Osprey uses proprietary coating.
the green things on the left, is that a quilt ?
You will never know the full power of semiultralight then.
why not just call it very light
why is there only "ultralight" and "80 lbs of tools in a bergen"
i unleashed my inner autism and ordered a maxpedition falcon ii and iii (2 for 1 sale) in khaki for a daypack and an overnight pack, how did i do
Maxpedition are solid packs but tend to be smaller than pictured. Their tacticool approach to compartments also eats up into usable storage space.
>Their tacticool approach to compartments also eats up into usable storage space.
i don't carry much going PrepHole just the bare essentials plus fishing tackle. hate dumping out gear to get to my shit so i'm okay with trading space for easy access
Enjoy your PrepHoleings then fren.
I use a 5.11 Rush 24 myself though I'm trying out different lightweight setups when I can.
Currently trying out a hydration pack + chest pack setup for spring-summer day hikes.
Can anyone recommend a versatile large backpack for hunting as well as regular multi day camping trips?>bought some generic 70L bag but I can’t even get my sleeping bag in a compression sack to fit into the main compartment nor strapped very well to the outside.
Ive been thinking about one of those external frame packs so that way i can just lash the different items to the frame and bypass any main compartment issues like with my current pack. Any recommendations would be really appreciated.
large alice pack if you want the sleeping bag inside, regular if you want it outisde, PrepHole hates them because they're manlets
maybe stop using a compression sack and it'll fit? why arw you even using one?
i would not suggest externally storing your sleeping bag unless you only camp in the desert. not a very smart idea to store it externally. the people you see on instagram doing that sleep in hotels at night after their photoshoots.
Well i started putting the sleeping bag in a compression sack/stuff sack because when i would just roll it normally or try stuffing it in regularly it pillows out and takes up too much room and makes it difficult to fit other items inside the pack. Which is why I was considering a new system of sleeping bag in stuff sack, inside of its drawstring bag, strapped to an external frame. Because the mouth to the main compartment of this generic bag seems limited. And possibly using some kind of cover over the frame should adverse conditions require it
I do the same with my quilt. It's some slippery nylon material, you have to have some kind of compression sack to control it's shape.
In my case it goes all into the backpack, but i could see me strap it to an external frame if i had one.
Most times i don't even use a sleeping bag or quilt, but this black poncho liner under my stuff. Seems to be good enough for late sping, summer and early fall.
maybe you just need a better sleeping bag or something. i farted around youtube for 5 mins trying to find you a video clip of what i mean by how to pack a sleeping bag uncompressed (if you're rolling it, you're doing it wrong and don't understand how it works) and i could find nothing but wall to wall clips of people fitting their sleeping bags in uncompressed stuff sacks no problem in 20-40L packs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yt31hDdEuk
or maybe the backpack you have has a very strange design?
generally if you find yourself re-inventing the wheel and doing things very different from everyone else who backpacks like that, you've fricked up at some point going back in the process and its almost cruel to tell you to bandaid your solution with a gargantuan backpack. wtf kind of 70L doesn't fit a sleeping bag? wtf sleeping bag is it? pics of this stuff?
Yea the sleeping bag might be too bulky, but after trying a couple different ones out I found this one to be the most compatible with my sleeping habits. I also am not too sure if the pack is actually 70L despite it being described as such when I first purchased it many years ago. The main compartment isn’t very deep and the opening isnt very large. I think it adds a lot of unnecessary weight for small compartments and side pouches.
Also i started stuffing the sleeping bag into a compressible stuff sack and then a liner bag so that i could strap it to the outside of my current pack, because of space issues. It seems to hold up to the weather the times i have taken it out, but I do understand why some other posts say that it just being exposed to the elements is a moisture risk.
>In my case it goes all into the backpack, but i could see me strap it to an external frame if i had one.
the problem with this is that unless its inside a full on kayaking tier pvc dry bag your sleeping bag's going to get wet then you have to end your trip or risk hypothermia depending on the situation. not a very smart play. there's very good reason why you always see the sleeping bag inside the pack+liner and the tent usually outside of it. you want wet gear on the outside and the gear that keeps you warm+dry inside the pack. simple as.
So couldn’t a system of carryframe or pack frame, with the gear strapped to it, then a poncho or rain liner affixed to the frame over the other gear work in adverse weather conditions?
pnw and canada. pack liners exist. i see people do like that homosexual youtuber i linked and put it in a dry bag too.
but i'm talking about when its good weather, not the winter.
i have that lastenkraxe there's a packsack for it but it's only 80l with only a big ass compartment
i kinda regret buying it it's a specialized type of carry system but it's got the best padding ever and despite being heavy in itself (7-8 lbs) it makes heavier loads feel much easier to carry than a conventional bp
Yes! Sorry, I was thinking of having something like a carrying frame/ pack frame but when i would try searching it out would find items under the descriptor of “external frame” so i guess i just misunderstood it as all being commonly called external frame packs.
>Unless you need to haul loads of heavy, dirty or wet stuff, I wouldn't bother.
i'm signed up for a hunter's course this fall so i might find use for it down the road
You make a lot of good points anon, Im sort of a semi poorgay or at least have the carryover habits of one in that I want to make one piece of gear as versatile and multipurposed as possible. I was hoping to get something like an carrying frame so that way whether the trip is a day hike or a week long trip the weight of the frame stays constant but how much gear/ supplies and what type of supplies are affixed to the frame changes to compensate to match the purpose of the trip.
if you're trying to be efficient... keep in mind that pack frame on its own with nothing loaded on it is 5.9 pounds, which is like 80% of the weight that most people use for a 3,000 mile thru hike. so you're never actually going to be efficient using that. if you're not hauling elk out of the woods its kind of a joke.
You’re right, I think some other people have mentioned as well that the carry frames are a bit anachronistic compared to a lot of modern ultralight gear. I haven't done much kayaking, or thru hiking on very large trails, most of my experience heralds froms shorter excursions but due to changing circumstances I would like to change that, mostly in regards to going on hunting trips so i liked the idea of being able to re-orient gear on a pack frame to also lash game bags to it as well.
you'll want totally different gear for hiking and hunting when you get more into both. there will be some overlap in kit, but you'll have a much better time than trying to accomplish both in one go.
Thanks, the scalable system is something I would really like to try out. if i get a functional one setup that doesn’t look awful will definitely post pics
It is, hard to clean as well. Usually you use it while PrepHole innawoods or at the shooting range. They bring you large thermoses with food, say Schnitzel, peas and mashed potatoes with gravy. But while you are in the field you have no chance to clean it. So food dries and you have to later remove the crusty shit out of it. A simple stainless steel bowl with a plastic lid would have done the trick.
That reminds me, why the frick does the silverware weigh 300g? What do you need a Wurstdose (picrel) for?
Cooking in aluminium spooks me out
NTA. uncoated aluminum is fine its only plastic shit from diy aluminum pots to worry about. the aluminum gives you alzeimer's myth comes from an old outdated study, look it up.
You sure?
Yes. The aluminum theory centered on the amyloid plaque theory. A lot of what we learned for the past several decades about Alzheimer’s is just wrong because of The Science.
https://www.science.org/content/article/potential-fabrication-research-images-threatens-key-theory-alzheimers-disease
>I got some of them for cheap and was wondering if they were in any way useful for their intended purpose.
I don't think so. Consider that we also had the Feldflasche, which came with two more metal pots, picrel.
>I served in the transitional era (not Bundeswehr), where we still had to lug around a mess kit even though we always ate MREs from bags with disposable everything.
We had EPA, which i liked, but my parents where poor and so i'm not picky.
>The circular container is for butter, is it not? I'm on the lookout for one of those for my PrepHole kit.
Or Dosenbrot, which is bread in tins. I never used mine, it's ok, but why did every soldier have one to haul around?
M8, i was online before memes became a thing. I was there when you downloaded shit by dialing into other peoples computer. I was there when Mathias Rust landed his tiny plane on the place before the Kremlin. I was there when Echelon was just a rumor. I was there when the US installed a trojan on Russian gas pipline pumps and broke them. I was there when Europe was radiated because Russians couldn't control Chernobyl. I was there when the wall fell.
>I was there when the wall fell.
how do you digitally shake someone's hand?
you have my respect and admiration.
I was just there. Didn't do it. Didn't help (except by paying taxes).
Respect me for the slimy scoundrel i am, not something i had no part in. >:^)
True, not sure why he did it like that.
i meant for everything, not just the wall. people who have experienced the older parts of this subculture and the world and still come back sometimes.
I noticed that even military and other rugged type backpacks often have carry handles that are a bit shitty, just a piece of webbing, maybe folded over and sewn. If you use the carry handle I can't recommend enough to cobra stitch it with cordage. Try to use a color that is similar or it's going to stick out though. Cobra stitch is really easy to learn and it takes 5 minutes to wrap a handle once you get the jist of it. End result is quite nice and very comfortable. You can weave really right to get a semi-rigid handle, or make a looser weave to keep it soft. I wrap all the carry handles now.
This is a good tutorial
I've had Millican 25l for years, been really happy with it. Good for both weekend trips and grocery shopping.
pic not mine but related.
>I've had Millican 25l for years, been really happy with it. Good for both weekend trips and grocery shopping.
Nice packs, website saved.
what anon said plus a lot of restaraunt food you've eaten in your life was prepared on aluminum. our understanding of alzeimer's is really different now. aluminum is just all around better than ti cookware and a best of both worlds between steel and ti but largely ignored because they used to tell boomers it caused alzeimers and cancer.
AFAIK the only problem with aluminum is long-term storage. I think that's why aluminum drinking bottles have a liner inside?
Outta mi way, dumping my funny backpacks.
Strange ones too.
Posh!
Mumins?
Hnng!
Ultra smug and ultra light.
Hello? Based department?
Nice hat.
Gotta go fast!
Hmm, thought i had more, but i did not.
i miss when coca cola looked like that :/
this shit is aids btw, because of the way the leverage works with the wheel positioned like that, you end up carrying the full weight of your pack with your hands ... kills your arms after a few minutes.
if the wheel is central to the load, it counteracts it's own weight, half the weight is see-sawing on one side, half the weight on the other. feels like carrying nothing.
you're saying wheelbarrows are aids?
wheelbarrows usually have a slightly different wheel position which makes the weight distribution different, and takes some of it off your arms (see my original post) but yes, even with that, they are aids for anything over 300 feet really. lets say you are moving even just 30 kilos with a normal wheelbarrow, after a few miles that would be really unpleasant.
https://www.hyperlitemountaingear.com/products/4400-porter
I wanted to use an HMG pack for my through hike of the GDT but the shoulder strap nearly ripped off on day two. Had to hump it 15k back to town to get a new pack.
what does PrepHole think of mystery ranch? i hardly ever see it get talked about. a friend in the marines swears by them and says many other guys in his company also swear by them
>what does PrepHole think of mystery ranch?
I have a Vietnam made "urban" pack made by MR and it's miles ahead of any other pack I've seen. Everything is super heavy duty. It's also very comfortable and has the thickest, nicest shoulder straps I've ever seen on a backpack. Only issue, it makes my back sweat a bit. The USA made military stuff must be phenomenal.
PrepHole loves it because autism leads people to think edge case uses are the single most important factor for choosing any kind of gear.
>edge case uses
>not giving you back pain
>not ripping every time you walk past a tree
>lasting more than 2-3 hikes before hardware starts to fail
>sensible capacity, most packing space is in the compressible core and not faked with mesh/zip pockets
>thoughtful layout and feature design
Boy howdee I never realized how these outliers were affecting my choice of gear, thanks anon.
>I wanted to use an HMG pack for my through hike of the GDT but the shoulder strap nearly ripped off on day two. Had to hump it 15k back to town to get a new pack.
I guarantee you've been using the shoulder strap to lift your pack and put it on, and not the hoist handle (which is top-left in your pic).
You can deny it here on PrepHole, but I know your cheeks will be burning at home, weekender.
>I guarantee you've been using the shoulder strap to lift your pack and put it on
Of course I used the shoulder strap to put it on, the pack only weighed 13kg. What kind of weak ass bag can't handle that?
>Of course I used the shoulder strap to put it on, the pack only weighed 13kg. What kind of weak ass bag can't handle that?
>buys a super-ultralight pack rated for, at most, 25-30 lbs.
>puts 28 lbs. in it, near capacity
>lifts it by the shoulder strap
They put the hoist handle on for a reason, anon. Thank you for being honest.
Didn't think I'd need to use the handle with such a light weight. In the army I'd just use the shoulder strap unless my pack weighed more than about 30kg, then I'd just put it on while it's still on the ground or put it on top of something first.
It was a manufacturing defect I think. Either way they sent me a new one that I then sold to my brother.
Every brand out there makes a pack that you just described. Those things aren’t particular to MR.
I think it's cheap china tier shit around here.
I've been trying to decide on a new pack for days, in fact I had a near-sleepless night just browsing around.
I could drive 45 minutes to an hour to Cabela's, or Dick's Sporting Goods, or an Orvis store and find jack shit-all for selection or quality at any of them. They'll have some cheap-ass options and nothing else. Do you have to live in San Francisco to find outfitters with high-end gear you can actually try out? Pretty ironic.
The one exception I've ever seen with my own two eyes was the LL Bean flagship store when I was in Maine years back, which in fact is where I got my current 40L backpacking pack.
Anyway, every pack I'd been seriously considering was Mystery Ranch. This positive talk about them is encouraging, I'll probably pull the trigger on a tan 55L Bridger now.
Figures. You can either pay $50 for a 12-lb. canvas milsurp ruck that will be indestructible (I mean real milsurp out of some store set up in a brick shed in some tiny town), $150 for something that's probably okay but might hurt your back or have shit snap or fray, or $400-500 for something that's actually good. I have no doubt there are Swiss-made alpine packs that cost $2,500.
It's like we use rubles now, not dollars. I can even afford it, but every time I turn around with outdoors gear, it's $400-500. And the shit's still made in some factory in Asia!
Ah well, thanks for helping me decide, gays.
Well, an Orvis store will obviously has some high-end shit for sale, but they won't have what I need. Thought I should clarify. Though most of their bags are probably made in China too, or Vietnam if you're super-lucky.
>Anyway, every pack I'd been seriously considering was Mystery Ranch. This positive talk about them is encouraging
If I could go back, I would not buy my urban MR, the bigger ruck from another manufacturer, etc. and get instead only one of those expensive MR outdoors or military packs with the.combined money.
>Nice staff. I actually make hiking staves. Here's one that I recently finished, pic taken before I treated the handgrip.
>I go PrepHole with what you see in picrel, and derp around in nature with my dog, and that is still less LARPy than doing it in an MR.
My biggest issue is actually finding packs that I can look at and try on. It's not that I must have the very best or want to LARP, but I do want a good harness and suspension (I'm almost 40 and want to look after my back), sensible capacity, useful equipment straps/hardpoints/hardware, and durability.
So if I just order a Kelty online, or grab something random or milsurp, I don't know what I'm getting into. That's why I am tending toward packs that are somewhat agreed upon to actually be good.
Hell even if you can try them on, you don't know if they're any good until later. I want something good, that's for damn sure.
>I'm not the guy you're talking to, but is this serious? I'm Mystery-Ranch-and-Milsurp-anon, so my knees give out before my kit. I have never even heard of weight limits on packs or a "hoist handle".
>Wait, 400 dollars for a pack that can't handle 15 kilos!? Fricking hell. Maybe I was too quick to ridicule the idea of civies rocking 400 dollar Mystery Ranch packs, if the alternative is a 400 dollar plastic bag.
I'm quite serious, yes See picrel, HMG's SW 2400 max load (40 lbs.). HMG UL packs actually haul more than most other high-end manufacturers' UL packs, but even if it's not anywhere close to maxed out, lifting it by the straps isn't a good idea.
I mean, think about it. In your mind, you're just shaving off 2-3 lbs.of haulage and hiking like normal, but these are actually specialized pieces of gear. It's not merely something to throw money at to gain a couple of pounds. You're supposed to make UL choices in all the gear you carry and what you wear as well.
But again, the hoist handle isn't there just for show. You shouldn't ever lift your pack by the shoulder straps even if it's only got 10-15 lbs. in it.
>I just kind of assumed you burgers had access to tons of in-store shopping options.
We do, and it's all the cheapest shit imaginable unless there's a big McMansion farm nearby. I've lived in the US all my life, lived in three different states of the Union, been to almost half of them, and I wouldn't have the first notion how to find a high-end outfitter, even though I've been an outdoorsman all my life.
I was in the US Air Force, an aircraft technician, but obviously not the same as pounding the ground.
>Damn. Never thought of that. All my kit gets abused like a mongrel stepchild when I'm PrepHole and overly babied when I get home.
I only know all this because I always read 100% of the instructions for everything. I'm an engineer and I draft blueprints all day, so it comes with the territory.
for sure that checks out
>t tanker
god that looks like so much fun
Yeah, but my favorite joke is to demonstrate Air Force martial arts training to people. Doesn't come up much in conversation, but whenever I can work it in, I do.
Hell, one guy said to me once, "Anon, I know they taught you some moves in the military." He was one of those people who assumes all Air Force guys fly planes, and all military people take hand-to-hand combat training courses.
So I say, "You're right, they did. You wanna see 'em? I'll show you something."
I get into a stance or something like it, bounce from heel to heel like I'm going to do something, then suddenly stand straight up and put my hands in the air in surrender.
I also shoot guns, and just the other day, I was out with my buddy shooting .22 rifles at beer cans innawoods, and I tell him: "Wanna see how we cleared jams in the Air Force?"
I set the rifle on the ground and put my hands in the air. I love this format of joke, never gets old.
Any experience with Bergson backpacks? It looks solid but I can't find any reviews. The options are pretty limited where I live and it seems to be the best option (as comfy as possible 1 day bag) in my budget.
of course I forgot to add the pic
thanks anon, you speak the truth. Isn't it possible to restore the PU coating with some kind of spray o sealant agent?
You can use dwr spray to get some kind of water repellency but this does not fix the problem what is inside of your backpack. Its really hard to get the delaminated pu off the fabric what you must do if you want to recoat the interior. At this point you are better off just buying a new backpack or bite the bullet and use some kind of liner sack to isolate your gear.
Just dont put too much money on a pu gear or atleast know what is going to happen eventually. After a decade you may want to upgrade your backpack anyways to a more modern and capable backpack. Who knows maybe your style of PrepHoleing has changed and you have different needs to cover. We can only hope that the industry has moved on from these materials by then. Dont plan too far ahead, nothing last forever.
I am using a liner sack from day 1, so maybe that will give some longevity to the pack. I know it's not bullshit although I don't know if these companies use a better tech that is more durable. I think MR is a pretty serious company and I doubt they'd be in business for long if their packs lasted 5 years. They're used by military and other people who put them through really rough conditions on a regular basis.
Robic nylon have uts coating that they claim to have better resistance against hydrolysis but only time will tell. I think some mystery ranch packs have robic.
Nope, once the PU has gooified, the pack is fricked. It is what it is.
It’s happening to a pack I’ve had for 8 years. It seems kind of dumb to even use PU coated fabric; the seems aren’t taped or sealed, and the packs aren’t advertised as waterproof.
planned obsolescence
>everything’s a conspiracy
Are there israelites in the room with you now? It’s more likely that it’s just a marketing gimmick so manufacturers can tell moronic consumers that their packs are made of a waterproof material, or advertise the pack as water resistant.
Think about it. Some dipshit is comparing two similar packs. One says all kinds of stuff about waterproof material and the other one doesn’t. Which one does he buy? The end result is every manufacturer using it.
>conspiracy
It's an actual, documented fact for which multiple companies have been given (useless) fines.
Multiple gear manufacturers?
Just touch the inside of your backpack, if it's sticky, it's gonna get worse. If it feels dry and not sticky, you are good ... until it goes sticky.
Had a McKinley backpack bought in 1992 or so, went bad after 15 years, see pic. I would still use it today if it wasn't for PU coating.
the issue is whether something changed in these 9 years in case you're getting a pack today
It also start to smell funky when the PU coating is breaking down.
Some people use chalk powder to make the PU less sticky but imo this makes things even more messy. Good tip is to use your backpack regularly because this helps battle the hydrolysis. Its known that chemical reactions inside pu will increase if its just sits in storage. Its good idea to buy a backpack that is good for both day hiking and longer trips so i gets more use. If you only do longer trips maybe once or twice a year and have dedicated large backpack for this its going to sit it the storage most of the time breaking down. There are lots of good larger size packs that can be strapped down to a small volume for day hiking needs. Rolltops and packs with a brain that you can lift are good for overpacking so you can get away with smaller pack.
My experience:
First it will look like a film covering your pack. Not just shiny, as new PU coated fabric may have a glossy appearance. It will look like a sheet of plastic on top of nylon.
Next, it will feel slightly tacky to the touch. Just a slight stickiness to your fingers, but nothing alarming. Your gear most likely won’t stick to it, and it could be at this stage for a while. My pack was a little sticky for years with no other issues (no goo rubbing off).
Next stage is the point of no return: it starts to wrinkle, crack, and break. It will still be soft and pliable, so “crack” might not be the best word. What’s happening is it’s separating from the nylon fabric. It will be more noticeably sticky, and might start to look yellow or brown (though that might just be from dirt sticking to it; there’s a lot of dirt outside).
It wasn’t the mileage that killed it, but time (or heat and humidity, I suppose).
looks like a moulting whipsnake
>Backpack is the last thing to buy
I wish I had known this sooner. Would've saved me at least 200 bucks.
Looking for a backpack like in OP's picture. Anyone can recommend a good retailer or alternative bag?
tfw got a brand new stomp II for $40, a pack of beer, and dinner
What am I thinking about carrying in this bag next time I go out? I already have my medical supplies.
Why do you buy a backpack if you dont know what are you going to carry in it? Backpack is the last thing to buy so you know how much space and weight bearing capasity you need.
So modern backpacking packs are soaked through with Chinese polyurethane, and yet you still need a rain cover and PTFE tape to actually stop them from getting fricking soaked in the rain?
Explainanons are right, that's a fricking scam. Where can I get a pack without the moronic Chinese plastic scam juice in it?
Only realistic way to get a modern one is to order a custom backpack from cottage manufacturers or making your own. Its going to be pricy tho. Other route is buying a pack that is not made from nylon but materials like dcf have their own set of problems.
Easiest way is to just buy cheap enough packs that you can replace when they fail.
>So modern backpacking packs are soaked through with Chinese polyurethane, and yet you still need a rain cover and PTFE tape to actually stop them from getting fricking soaked in the rain?
i've bought, used and resold many older backpacks, this has never been an issue. though i'd imagine, if you get PU flaking there should be a way to accelerate it on the entire backpack and then brush the flakes off with a stiff plastic brush. it shouldn't damage the nylon, assuming your pack is made of PU coated nylon. would probably take many hours of labor but it should be doable
look at that subtle off-white fur
the tasteful thickness of it
oh my god he even has a water flask
>The third factor is movement. You see, it’s not frequent use that causes PU to decompose. Quite the opposite. The less you use your hiking boots, the more likely the sole is to come off at some point. If they are not used, boots can start to deteriorate during storage. It’s not a question of using them or losing them, but boots that stand around unused are more likely to develop very fine cracks in the midsole material that allow moisture or other decomposition accelerators, such as UV light to penetrate. Whereas regular use and movement keeps the polyurethane flexible and prevents microcracks from forming.
This is from hanwag's website.
Still calling bullshit. It's your choice to believe it, but like many manufacturers claims, i don't.
Anyway, i have never seen this in shoes myself, i buy almost always Merrel Moab, usually they are done after 700 to 1000km, so i go through at least 2 pairs a year, sometimes 3. The sole is gone first and where the heel touches the cushion it's rubbed through before anything else fails.
Boots often have mid soles from EVA, that stuff crumbles after some years away, usage or not. Never heard about boots having problems with PU tbh.
Sold by the German Military Industrial Complex, specifically by Rheinmetall Landsysteme GmbH. They might sell some to you, but they probably don't get permission to export it. Kanzler Scholz is a bit particular about those things.
Post picture when worn, sir.
how do you fare with those shoes? anything special you have to do to care for your gear at the end of the day?
If anyone has a pack with an adjustable frame: how do I fit it properly? How high do I set the shoulders? I know that the belt should go over the iliac crest.
Is 40lbs too much shit for a 3 day hike?
The shoulders are just there so the backpack doesn't fall back, the entire weight should be on the hip belt.
It's best to set it to the highest position to get started.
>Is 40lbs too much shit for a 3 day hike?
It’s all an opinion, and in my opinion, yeah, that’s too much shit. Best option is to take it and form your own opinion; is having that much stuff worth it?
Well technically it's not hiking. I used the term incorrectly. It's more like innawoods camping to unplug, so I'm packing a bit heavier.
All right so given the circumstances it shouldn't be unreasonable. Thanks anon. I think I can fit the pack so the weight is better distributed, hence the question about adjustable frames.
>tfw the REI cuck told me I couldn't do any real backpacking with this bag because it wasn't made for it
That gay probably never left the city limits
Those old-timey looking boots are nice looking but they usually aren't very waterproof. I've seen video of people wearing high end shoes like Red Wings and they start leaking just above the sole. How do your fare? Obviously they aren't gonna be waterproof around the first string hole but what about below that?
>I haven't even seen rain since spring.
The absolute state... What made you move to such a cursed place?
I've finally found a pack that seems like a good choice in the 55-65L range: the Eberlestock Destroyer.
It's a conventional backpacking configuration, 60L, rated for more weight than you'll ever fit in it, adjustable internal frame, hydration compatible, PALS webbing to attach expansion pouches if needed, lots of core pack space and very little inflation of the stated capacity via mesh and zipper pouches. Few if any gimmicks, simple aesthetics (neither military LARP nor San Franciscan hipster) looks tough and quality, good reviews on a site where those are a little more trustworthy than, say, Amazon.
Downsides: Expensive and heavyish (7 lbs.) by popular standards. Personally though, an extra 2-4 lbs. isn't gonna kill me.
The weights not optimal, but it's more important to see how it distributes weight. Might not be a big deal, might be a piece of shit. Only way to find out is put it on and load it up and do a nice 10 mile hike with it to get a feel for it.
>Destroyer
Why do they give these names to backpacks? It's a backpack, it doesn't destroy. Call it something like "Atlas", "the Ox" or "Big Loads"...
>Why do they give these names to backpacks? It's a backpack, it doesn't destroy. Call it something like "Atlas", "the Ox" or "Big Loads"...
The larger version of that military-themed series of backpacks is called the "Battleship." You have to pick some kind of a naming convention.
Those sound like nicknames for male porn stars.
Destroyer would be a great name for a male pornstar
Would not buy, simply due to name and it looks kinda larpy.
However, many of my friends have Eberlestock backpacks, and I've pretty much only heard good things regarding quality and comfort with heavy loads.
Well as you said most of your based and redpilled larp gear wouldn't even work up in the north so might as well stay down there
normie here
do i get a north face or patagonia
boooo
no you get an obscure finnish brand that costs a million dollars you absolute FOOL
surprised it took 200 posts in a backpack thread for someone to finally alude to backpacks from the finnish brand that shall not be named jej
>durable, quality leather protects gear
>classic design
>narrow shoulder straps save weight and are out of the way when wearing a jacket
>minimalist pocket design add to versatility
>drip
why isn't gucci the top outdoor retailer yet?
forgot pic
yeah, you sure did
okay posting the pic for real now oops
Based snow elf posts fit bod, nice gear, pics of actually being PrepHole; engages in interesting conversation when approached reasonably; tells off obnoxious REItards with appropriately masculine levels of measured aggression, while also paternally attempting to instruct them in healthier ways to think and behave than have been ingrained in them spending too many years cooped up in pods, consuming bugs, consuming product, and consuming Televitz.
Should we have wanted the pyramids in London, they would be here today.
>Should we have wanted the pyramids in London, they would be here today.
The Great Pyramid alone contains 6 million tonnes of material, whereas a typical large ship in the late Victorian period when Great Britain was exploring Egypt archaeologically had a tonnage of around 1,200.
Therefore, it would have required 5,000 trips (actually, I'm not even counting the crew, supplies, ballast, etc., so I'm being exceptionally generous) from Egypt to England in such a ship in order to bring back the largest pyramid.
And naturally, some fraction of those ships would sink/be lost en route. So even if attempting to sail the Great Pyramid to England wouldn't have bankrupted the British Empire several times over (it would), you would still not have all of it. About 10% would be missing.
I was speaking figuratively you sperg. Also, you are not of the anglo mind: if I were tasked with such a thing and came into the problems that you proposed, I would raze the pyramids of giza to the ground and use build an exact replica in London woth some rubble mixed in. How's that?
Ah, a dane. I am guessing your people moved to America though?
How old were you when you returned to Denmark? Also why?
>thinks the brits wouldn't just bankrupt their nation to salvage sunken rocks to spite the foreigns
Oh, they certainly would want to, but they lacked the technology to find (most important part) and then lift limestone blocks from the floor of the open ocean.
Even now, with huge sonar systems, deep divers, robotic submersibles, and large shipboard cranes and winches powered by modern generators, finding and retrieving shit off the ocean floor is a massive pain in the ass.
Even if they located the blocks and deployed their best winches and cranes, how would they have rigged the load for lifting? Someone or something has to rig it with straps and/or chains all the way down there.
Come to think of it, all of this may be why they opted not to look the pyramids. They knew it was impossible.
I am an anglo living in anglo land. Not very keen on a lot of it, but it has retained some of its redeeming qualities. I don't envision myself staying here, though I am not decided yet.
>Sorry, I didn't see you. Is this jealousy, rando-anon? You know it is unattractive for a man to be ruled by his effeminate emotions, don't you? Maybe you're just sad you don't get to wear nice shoes like these? I get it, modernity is often disappointing
kek I am that swedeanon you convinced to buy an m/39 rucksack on the other board that shall not be mentioned. And since I am Swedish I therefore have autism but I was actually being genuine and wasn't saying it in a mocking manner. If I had as much /comfy/ gear as you I'd consider staying down there for that reason alone.
I was last in London 5 years ago and was only around Parliament/Westminster so I didn't see anything odd. I can imagine it is utter shite though, as is the second city. I have never seen an English city and liked it, they are all ugly and lacking any distinctive identity. Just a slurry of brown and gray, that's all most of England is now. Rural and semi-rural areas are still beatiful though. Coincidentally, I want to see Denmark one day. What's it like?
I dont mean to pry, but how's your social life in Denmark? I hear its hard to make friends. Also, what are the women like there?
Hey man, you don't have to answer this but, how old are you? Im 20 and if you're older than me could you please let me know if it gets better?
>could you please let me know if it gets better past your prime years
Not him but no, it gets exponentially worse. At 30 you don't have half the energy you had at 20. Women get worse. Work gets worse. Your body gets worse. Society gets worse because 28-30 is the exact point when you're supplanted by the next generation, which will be worse and completely alien to you. Your 20s are your 100% years where you are supposed to give it all and get on track so that your 30s won't be a trainwreck.
If it doesn't get better soon I'm going to do something about it.
It won't get better on its own. Anon you are 20, you are a MAYUN now, you can get things done. Trust me, you have the power and spirit to break through and change things and overcome the odds simply because.of your age. Later on you might realize that you squandered your opportunities because of fear, fear of failing (you have enough inner reaources to fail over and over right now) or fear of disappointong your family and other bullshit but this fire won't be in you anymore.
Just make sensible choices. Have a plan, get a job you don't completely hate, don't "chase your dreams" in the moronic zoomerite sense. You need to carve yourself a path.
This is the best reply I've gotten on this site. It's probably because, like you said, I'm on PrepHole and people here are likely similar to me in some way or another. One question, what do you mean when you say to live as dangerously as you can? I might sound dumb here but I don't know how to do that.
I wish I knew people like you in real life, but I haven't a single friend. We value similar things. From a very young age I have valued the truth and being honest more than many other people that I've come across. I somehow just knew that integrity was important, no one really taught it to me. I watched a video last year about how modernity has robbed us men of our rites of passage and how this creates people who run the course of their entire lives as children. I don't mean to 'over share' but I didn't have the best childhood shall we say and I think that made me see some realities early in life but I know that I am still a child in many ways. For the past few years I've just sat in my room rotting away, just wanting to not exist honestly. I recently discovered that I have EU citizenship and I am contemplating my own rite of passage either throughout Europe or in one specific country. I read about how viking raids were a rite of passage for young males crossing oceans into foreign and hostile lands, younger than me and it kind of disturbed me to think that I am older than those guys would have been and have done nothing. I have an urge to get away, I am unsure if this is a desire to run away from my failures and problems or a natural urge that I need to address. It recently came in the form of a bike ride that I didn't end until 43 miles because I just wanted to get away. It was imusive and unlike me, I hadn't any food or water and had to eat berries and find water. Felt good after but I want to really get far away, I'd miss my family so it wouldn't be permanent but I need to do something. I can't just sit around waiting to die, missing out on everything as the years pass me faster and faster. Sorry for the blog, I didn't mean to derail the thread. Anyway, thanks for taking the time, anon.
Does anyone make watertight add-on pouches? My main bag is all but water-proof for rain and fording, but I want two pouches just big enough to move electronics and my hammock into while still being water-tight with either a roll-top or something like those tru-zip things.
I have successfully salvaged a broken umbrella into water-resistant stuff sacks. For electronics I use a silicone ziplock bag, it fits all my power banks, batteries, cables etc and it's much more packable than an admin pouch.
What surplus bags would you guys recomend for a reasonable price? I want something made of canvas that isn't ridiculously large. Something that wouldn't be out of place as and edc to take to work, etc.
What is a reasonable price?
i want to make one important amendment.
>If they are atrocious, walk away from them and give them no time nor heed. forgiveness only guarantees repetition of past bullshit.
getting away from my insane shit family was one of the best things i ever did for my overall happiness and productivity and everything.
t. >30 year old anon from atrocious family
those who earn forgivness, yes.
>so you don't carry around hate for the blood within you
but i don't hate myself, i don't really harbour hate for my family. I'm not a man of malice. I'm a new man, different from them, the blood that flows within my veins is a new chapter! and it only started when i truly got away from them.
>I'll bump the shovel-thread to remind anyone who wants to help dig each other out of their respective pits to come over there.
shovel thread has many levels, thankyou anon.
I want a daypack that’s good for hunting, and to me that mostly means quiet. Are packs from companies like Osprey, REI, Granite Gear quiet during both normal use and brushing against leaves and branches, or should I be looking at (more expensive) packs intended specifically for hunting?
Hunting packs are not necessarily quieter, they are designed to help you carry heavy carcass out of the woods
>Hunting packs are not necessarily quieter, they are designed to help you carry heavy carcass out of the woods
And generally also to have built in scabbards/straps/holsters for rifles, bows, crossbows, quivers, ammo and mags, and in some cases, sidearms.
To be honest, I like the idea of dressing head to toe in some of the hunting meme camo + a balaclava with matching hunting meme camo whitetail/elk backpack, getting a recurve (I did some archery back in the day and shot bows at a hay target for hours in the backyard as a kid on many an afternoon, somewhat familiar), and going full-blown redneck zen archer....
But the problem is navigating the insane rat's nest of seasonal and regional/state regulations, tag fees, licenses, permits, bag limits, and then after you put up with all that bullshit you have to figure out where you can go. So you then enter a rat's nest of figuring out who owns what land, seeing if you know someone who knows someone, trying to figure out if there are any good spots on government-owned land (prepare to apply for two or three more permits), and then when you figure that out there'll probably already be rednecks in all the good spots.
Then you spend a lot of time lying in wait. Maybe I'd be okay with that, might even love it; maybe not.
I have redneck buddies who've hunted all their lives, and who know people who know people (for access to good hunting grounds), but I'm not part of that world.
But I'd sure love to have some venison to smoke. Maybe it'd be worth all the expense, time, and hassle....
What is your budget? The Exo K3 6400 series seems to be bomb proof. Im looking to invest in one myself. Garand Thumb uses it and I trust him.
What's a good pack for all-day hikes for a complete beginner city slicker?
>What's a good pack for all-day hikes for a complete beginner city slicker?
Seconding anon above, just use what you have. For a non-overnight hike over an easy, established trail (which is what you should begin with), a ratty old Jansport school backpack will be just fine.
Water will weigh the most. You should technically bring about 2L (couple of 36 oz. bottles), which will weigh 4.5 lbs., but it's a dayhike, so you can get away with one bottle. Hydrate thoroughly before setting out.
Don't need much food, small bag of trail mix (700-800 cal.) and a little wedge of hard cheese will represent 1k calories and round food/water up to about 5 lbs. You'll burn more than that if you're hiking 8ish hours, but that's what breakfast and dinner are for.
After that, light jacket, fleece, and/or poncho, cell phone with optional dry sleeve, extra socks, cheapass minimal Walmart premade first aid kit or just a wad of stuff from your medicine cabinet (it's a dayhike), and you won't need "navs" because you're sticking strictly to a trail (small disagreement with anon above here, though you'll also have your cell phone). Do not go out of sight of the trail or one of its landmarks. Novices can get lost within a few hundred, or even dozen, yards of a trail.
Throw in a power bank and small flashlight if you have one, you never know.
If you have binoculars or a very portable fishing setup (if water's nearby), bring them.
Basically you're looking at 8-12 lbs. of stuff, and you don't need a waist belt or a dedicated pack for that. If you do run out and buy a day pack, though, I recommend a sling style (make sure to look up how to use it properly).
for me 2l is not enough for an overnighter.
its a good thread
>thinking you will get lead poisoning from an old backpack
lmao
>Lead poisoning a major problem in military barracks
>burn pits
>Not service related
thanks guys. good info and your strategy (just go and figure it out) makes a lot of sense
shovel thread digs deep.
>That heavily depends on the guy's size, fitness and climate. I go through 1.5L on just a two hour dayhike in my climate.
Yeah, that's true. My climate is Cfb/Oceanic/Subtropical Highland, so I can get away with some literal sips on a short dayhike of 3-6 hours and just go home slightly parched. Having to carry 18 lbs. of water haulage for an 8- to 10-hour hike is crazy to me.
>And a quick google maps printout and a button compass doesn't run out of batteries and requires very little skill.
It's hard for me to judge how it would be to not know how to read a map, since I learned as a kid, but my assumption is my feeling is that these would be close to useless for someone who never learned and hasn't been keeping track of landmarks/their location; also possibly instill a false sense of confidence. The phone though will tell them which way automatically, yes.
>What is the advantage to the sling-bag in your opinion?
You can undo the sternum strap, sling it onto your chest, and mess with your stuff without even breaking stride. When not in use, it's off your chest, leaving room for binocs, lanyard with phone dry sleeve, etc. I'm a fly fisherman though, so I'm biased in this regard. I can stick my rod into the special holder on my pack, change the leader from the spool attached to the pack, open a flap to get a fly and tie it on, detach rod, zip it all up, sling it back and restrap.
Whereas with a regular old pack you have to take it all the way off and jostle with it to mess around with it and its contents.
>military surplus
>covered in lead
I finally pulled my old Kelty from the mid-1990s out of Mom's storage shed. I'd estimate it had approximately five weeks/350 miles of hiking on it, and other than a bit of expected wear and tear from a teenager chucking it 20 ft. down onto some boulder or whatever, it's still completely fine. Inside it, I found:
>an old rape whistle (made in Taiwan) on a black lanyard
>a tiny little metal Tylenol tin with an expiration date of 1989 and a few pills still inside
>an old-school dry sleeve with boxes of matches still in it, probably all still good
>one carabiner
>various bungee cords
>a cheap, narrow (90s-style), purple-lensed pair of sunglasses, probably belonged to some chick
Like an idiot, I didn't think to grab a pic until I decided to post about it. I'll do that later.
Because if you have lead on your hands you will containment everything you touch. When you shoot,the lead in the primer and bullet vaporize and get all over you and your clothes, that's why when you come home from the range you should wash your cloths separately from the rest of the load.
Lead poisoning is major problem in the military and in barracks
>https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-military-housing/
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/04/04/these-us-troops-are-slowly-being-poisoned-lead-their-bones.html
Lead is everywhere, because the soldiers either don't care or the precautions they are taking aren't enough. Hand soap isn't enough to remove lead from you hands. You need to use either Dlead or automotive shop soap that has dirt, or the bits of shells to really get those bits of lead out of your hand.
I would honestly advise against getting a surplus backpack. They are more trouble then they are worth. I would recommend getting a civilians hiking pack that is going to be a lot more comfortable and better quality then a milsurp bag. There are many that in a similar style as the milsurp bag.
>I don't think you understand how little shooting is done while rucking full packs
Shooting doesn't have been done with the pack on. Its when you shoot, and start going through your pack with your lead covered hand is how the lead gets into the pack.
Frens don't let frens get lead poisoning. At least get something like this when you shoot.
https://www.amazon.com/D-Wipe-Towels-Dispenser-Individually-Wrapped/dp/B07JLLPQW4/ref=sr_1_7?tag=ganker-20&crid=2ME7AYYVE9DMR&keywords=lead+wipes&qid=1663456964&s=hpc&sprefix=dlead+wipes%2Chpc%2C48&sr=1-7
If that is too much, you can get them in a canister for like $20. It's worth it. Lead poisoning isn't fun.
>developmental delays, abdominal pain, neurological changes, and irritability. At very high levels, it can be fatal
Are the Kanken bags a meme?
I want something durable and compact for a day bag but I don't want some frick huge tacticool backpack
get a mystery ranch urban assault 21
Bought one of these yesterday. I was looking for a bag with a pull cord/flip closing top and something that didn't have a bunch of useless "organisation" compartments for shit to get lost in. Was expensive, I've never spent real money on a day pack before so was a little sceptical. Haven't hiked with it yet but I loaded it up so I could adjust the frame and straps and it seems incredibly comfortable. Anyone else have one and can talk from experience about durability, things to look out for etc?
I liked a lot of aspects of this pack but wasnt sure if it was just osprey hipster memeing. Please update with impressions after a long hike
I've got a few packpacks. I use a CFP90 assault pack as a day pack, a lbt 3 day assault as a weekend bag, Gregory stout 60 for backpacking, large Alice pack for winter camping.
I've got an ilbe coming that I want to set up as a (larp) INCH bag but mainly use for extended winter camping/hunting this year.
Haven't gone backpacking in a couple years. Im gonna try to change that this spring.
Recently got a German E-tool + Särmä TST MOLLE holder. Very glad I got the holder too because the original it came with was completely wrecked.
Satisfied with both so far, but I have yet to test it out innawoods (arrived a day after I got back from a hiking trip lol).
Pic related - e tool in the holder on my Jääkäri L.
Very cool. Does the sheath have any protection against the blade, or is it just raw webbing? By the way, if you need a bit more security on that locking mechanism, you can fold the smallest pull-tab in behind the larger one, and/or increase the friction by sliding in a stick behind the tabs.
It's just raw webbing, but a bit thicker and stiffer than normal. I don't think there will be any problems with wear, the tip of the shovel isn't too sharp. Have you had any problems with this?
>you can fold the smallest pull-tab in behind the larger one
Thanks for the tip, just tried it!
Cheers. Last time I carried a modern E-tool was in my early days in the army (now I'm a dirty civie using a fixed short spade), and we were issued the Glock spade. It had a platic holster, which itself went into a nylon carrier, which was carried centrally on the back of the webbing belt. Pretty smart actually, there was no risk of damaging the textile at all, even with a sharpened blade, and the ridigidity offered a shelf to support the backpack when that was worn. The Sarma carrier itself looks better than the nylon carrier I was issued though. I'd avoid sharpening the blade if I were you though.
I'd like to keep my backpack packed (other than food) so I can grab it at a moment's notice, but I'm worried that leaving it packed, the compression straps cinched, etc. for days at a time unused will stress the fabric/seams.stitches unnecessarily. So, I always leave it mostly unpacked.
Is this a baseless worry? Just wondering if someone keeps theirs packed and hasn't noticed an issue over a period of years.
Can anyone recommend me belt pouches?
Anon, which ones do you use?
Better pic here
Broad thick leather belt. Mauser pouches from the Balkans (the small double pouch). Each one can hold two altoid tins for reference. BAR pouches from Sweden (the three medium sized ones). Deep enough for two mags, big enough to swallow two or three standard hip flasks. Last one is a MAT49 pouch from France, but quite modified, so my picture is not representative. If you're in Europe, this is all dirt cheap for the handmade high quality you get, but remember leather grease to restore and maintain it.
Thank you! Cute dog!
>cute dog
Thanks. Not the usual response people have when they see the 100 pound wolfdog, but I agree!
>shops
I apologize for the delay, I just got back from a ban kek.
Many of my sources for gear are small antiquities shops and collectors from around Europe that are often not translated into English at all, so speaking additional languages is very useful. English-speaking shops that I am familiar with have been mentioned ITT by other helpful anons. Militarysurplus.eu is ultra-cheap but sluggish and very Eastbloc. Varusteleka is good, but expensive. Flöby, in my opinion, is right on the money. I’ve also found stuff on Etsy, but it is very overpriced there. And off course, as another anon has suggested, keep an eye on eBay.
Based.
>I just got back from a ban kek.
glad to see you back!
what was it for?
Cheers anon! Kek it's a butthurt jannie that doesn't like me promoting traditional European values because it reminds him of his own weakness. Several posts were banned due to racism (despite the fact that I was referring to the disgusting cultural practice of genital mutilation among the Semitic linguistic and cultural groups, which are not inherently racial identities), others were deemed off-topic, and some were deemed trolling. The supermajority of my posts were also wiped off the board with no explanation, so I can only assume that this is a personal gripe, rather than a fair enforcement of the rules. I'm not about to stop shovelposting. Case in point, picrel was the comfy stuff I brought PrepHole to enjoy the equinox sunset during my ban.
relentlessly based and supremely redpilled
how do you carry actual glass flasks in a ruck without worrying about breakage?
Cheers.
>how do you carry actual glass flasks in a ruck without worrying about breakage?
Like this.
Kek good eye. It irks me too, but my four cork/bamboo-plugged canteens (3L) were not enough, so I had to bring three semi-modern ones (+3L) as well with plastic lids. Two people + big dog + arid mountainous region = lots of water consumption kek. I am waiting for some more antique canteens in the mail though, so hopefully you won't see such atrocities again kek.
>It irks me too
Fixed. Gave you another potion of recovery as well. Use it wisely.
based and correctpilled.
jidf will never stop us.
love your animal skins, what you got there? also how do you use them? i assume for sleeping but in what arrangement?
You can’t conquer a free man; the most you can do is ban him.
Thanks! Red deer, reindeer, seal and sheep from all over Europe (and Greenland). I'm cheating a bit and layering them on top of a super thin folding Bundeswehr milsurp mat, mostly to protect the pelts from sharp pebbles. And there's obviously a wool blanket too. This week was the first time the whole bundle came PrepHole, and it was just for a sunset picnic. I have yet to try overnighting PrepHole on them, but it was very comfy to lie on after eating. We use them at home in the winter though, both to comfy up the couch and to bundle under at night. The sheepskin is slit lengthwise about halfway, starting from the tail. That allows me to use it like a tiny cloak (ruana-style) slash waistcoat. Very comfy, and still doubles as pillow or additional ground insulation for the torso, or whatever. I'm gonna experiment a bit with the pelt-bundle to prove that my LARP is doable even in colder climates than where I currently live. I'll post updates as I get results (probably in the shovelthread).
>I'll post updates as I get results (probably in the shovelthread).
looking forward to it. my mate used a sheepskin at one of our recent camping meets, for hammock insulation. said it worked really well.
Me again., I forgot to ask. I am in Europe. Where did you buy the pouches? Where should I look for this kind of gear?
why are noobs on this board afraid of wild animals? i don't understand. i've been backpacking in deep wilderness in the most cougar dense part of the world and places with healthy grizzly populations and its never even remotely been a concern. you should only have to plan around wildlife if you're going somewhere with a real apex predator such as polar bears or great white sharks. nothing else even remotely is interested in hunting you.
i think it says a lot that all the anons who live places like canada, alaska, scandanavia with actual dangerous predators don't make a big deal about it.
and anons who live places with zero apex predators like the east coast of america, almost all of europe, etc always have these larp theorycrafter posts about all the guns they bring into the woods for animals that don't even exist where they live.
i blame that dumb ass missing 411 book.
>i think it says a lot that all the anons who live places like canada, alaska, scandanavia with actual dangerous predators don't make a big deal about it.
They... do though. Like you're just straight up wrong.
so where do you live? siberia? northern territories? alaska? yukon?
yukon
unrelated
you can get internet out there now? i couldn't when i lived there. starlink? is it usable?
Ironic that of all posts you should reply to me and be so absolutely wrong about every single one of your assumptions.
>most cougar dense part of the world
like to put it into perspective last night i walked out to my car and had a cougar scream at me from the dark, in my neighborhood. i run into cougars bobcats and black bears all the time walking my dog around here.
belly laugh funny that a lot of the ppl on this board who larp as bad ass mountain men in camo military fatigues are more afraid of wildlife than my pomeranian.
Imagine being so dumb you think concern = fear. There might be a million reasons for anons to be concerned about predators. Perhaps they go PrepHole with family, or let their dog run free, or live near rapey minorities, or whatever. But you go on ahead and ridicule the very survival instinct of your forefathers that allowed you to walk your gay squirrel and gaypost about it.
hey man i didn't choose the dog. he can't help that he's a homosexual, don't bully my dog. my sister dumped him on me when she moved. he's a good boy and he's not afraid of grizzlies!
>Perhaps they go PrepHole with family
most of them probably aren't even legal age yet rule 2 etc
>let their dog run free
i read these posts about anons' dayhike arsenals all the time on this board. never any mention of a dog.
You chose me to make your "noob" claim in response to. I'll let the dysgenic pet rodent thing go, but you can't just reply to me and then respond with "oh well its the other posters". I am armed (within the law) even when I go to the post office, why would I disarm to go PrepHole?
don't conflate me thinking y
this board's fear of black bears and squirrels is hilarious with antigun-gaygery. be my guest to bring it. just be honest, for most anons the reason to have it isn't wildlife. you just like guns and there's nothing wrong with that. own it. acting like its about animals is cuckish. most places you actually need a gun in north america usually require you to bring one to get a permit to be there anyways.
don't conflate me thinking this board's fear of black bears and squirrels is hilarious, with antigun-gaygery. be my guest to bring a gun bro. just be honest, for most anons the reason to have it isn't wildlife. you just like guns and there's nothing wrong with that. own it. acting like its about animals is cuckish. most places you actually need a gun in north america usually require you to bring one to get a permit to be there anyways.
You are this guy, right?
In that post, I specifically mentioned both human and animal predators, and used the word concern, while simultaneously overtly assuming that the newguy I was advising didn't have to concern himself about that. You've conflated that with fear, gun-LARPing and so on, and implied that I was a cowardly noob. This one is on you, friend. You assumed too much.
>human predators
missing 411 is fake
fbi released the dennis martin files this year
>burgerslang
Not everyone on the internet is American. We have feral muslims over here.
>trusting the government
ngmi
>trusting the government
the fbi no less
Hey man. They investigated themselves and found themselves clear of any and all wrongdoing. Stop asking questions.
if you actually read it the entire thing implicates the fbi in massive incompetence and makes them look like shit.
why do people post about things they've never read, done, know nothing about, etc so much on PrepHole?
so many examples.......
like the anon who sperged about how trailrunners are ill suited for mountains making threads for months then said the highest mountain he's been on was 2k (feet not meters LOL)
or that anon in the compass thread right now who thinks you can draw a bearing from one of those button compasses.
batony chop chop anons who learned how to split wood from youtube and don't know what a wedge is....
so many examples on this awful 3 letter board. global rule 2 needs to be enforced harder.
Imagine shilling for the government on a Montenegrin lemonfarming forum.
>Gov report
I don't read enemy propaganda
why hasn't david paulides talked about the dennis martin files?
he's a book salesman and very likely a israelite.
this guy's a rabbi with the side curls shaved off
the dennis martin files have been available to the public and free to access for almost a year.
why hasn't david paulides talked about it?
if you do any basic independent research on anything in his books you quickly come to the realization he lies through omission constantly.
What's the point of buying old gear outside of larping? New gear is made to be more convenient and comfortable
Lots of reasons. Larping (negative), larping (positive, as in historical reenactment), wanting certain materials or features that are uncommon now, getting something affordable that wasn't made in China, thinking the varusteleka description was funny, giving yourself lead poisoning to increase your aggression and will to kill another man, etc
>giving yourself lead poisoning to increase your aggression and will to kill another man, etc
I don't need lead poisoning for that, I just need to listen to rap music for 5 seconds
To give one example in this thread, the “waterproof” PU coating in a lot of modern hiking packs has a short lifespan before it dissolves into goo, so buying something older can be one way to avoid that
. Guessing it's not a common reason, but it's one of them
Actually, to get somewhat back on topic, does anyone know if Tasmanian Tiger's bags have the PU coating inside?
older packs used PU coating more, modern packs are starting to phase it out. anything marketed for ultralighters won't have PU.
there are hundreds of small business and 1 man cottage brands who hand make bags in America. harder to get for europeans though. quite a few of them are affordable.
europe's cottage industry is a lot smaller though.
in america when i talk to people with mil packs about it, its usually people who realized the packs at outfitters suck and they just aren't aware the cottage industry exists so they default to what they know.
Post a single modern nylon backpack that has no pu coating.
>implying I go outside to be convenient and comfortable
so while i wait for my maxped falcon ii/iii rucks, what pouches do you recommend? i want my cookware and fak in molle/pals pouches so i can switch them between rucks without having to reorganize
Shit will probably flop around. I personally prefer my stuff to be inside the back, if possible.
Good brand for pouches of all kinds is Tasmanian Tiger, doesn't glow in IR either, if that is something you consider. The small admin pouch is from them.
If you don't care about that, just get cheap chink shit, it's good enough.
https://de.aliexpress.com/item/4001322028145.html
If you are fine with multiple camo patterns, try US military sustainment pouch (big size) or the 200 round molle saw gunner pouch. The saw gunner pouch has plastic inserts on the site to give it a bit of rigidity.
If you want a more uniform look 5.11 does well designed pouches.
Right, I'll ask one more time, since I received no answer: Will leaving your backpack packed/compressed for days put significant strain on the fabric, seams, and stitching?
I've always assumed it would, but I could be wrong, and having my pack ready to go anytime would be convenient.
I think it depends on how packed it is. If it's overpacked, it's a given that it'll eventually fall apart.
>when it is compressed it is squashed into a tiny ball.
I mean with the compression straps cinched down. It's a Mystery Ranch pack. When I say packed, I don't mean overpacked, but a backpacking pack is stil generally fairly snug when fully packed, not just loose stuff tossed in.
Thanks for the input, I think I'll continue to store unpacked.
I think it's best practice to store shit uncompressed (if in a compression pack) and unpacked (if a backpack). However I doubt that leaving a few things e.g. your pack liner loosely in the pack will cause any damage whatsoever.
Really, it was wishful thinking on my part. If fabric, seams, and/or stitches are under tension, it stands to reason that their integrity will degrade faster than it would by simple aging.
Honestly, if your pack is a Mystery Ranch I think you can do literally anything you want with it and it won't fail. Their packs are built like tanks and I'm sure this doesn't even count as remotely abusive by those standards. But putting gear into a pack and cinching a few compression straps, if you use compression bags, is a matter of minutes so I don't see the point unless you're doing this for bugout purposes or something like that
>Honestly, if your pack is a Mystery Ranch I think you can do literally anything you want with it and it won't fail.
Probably. I got the Bridger 55, because it has the capacity and features I need (my old 40L isn't holding quite enough to suit me, while I don't need the features of their milspec packs), and it could be considered a "budget" MR pack, but it is built like a tank and the harness and straps are like a baby car seat stuffed with a cloud, just like everyone said. Looks good, too, and will look even better when it's well worn in.
>packed/compressed
those are two opposite ends of a spectrum to me... when a bag is packed, it is expanded, when it is compressed it is squashed into a tiny ball.
if you leave a bag packed and it is not total shite quality, and you haven't done something like hang it up by one zipper, then it will be fine.
keep it on the ground, in a supported area, so there's no weight on it really.
I already have a us alice belt that I would have liked to be able to make work with the pack as its hip belt, similar to the austrian issue combat belts. I looked up the austrain belt and it looks very similar to the us alice belt but im not sure which ones were even right for this pack. I thought that I may be able to cut some of the threads on the loops there the free up some more room and make the alice work. Is that a bad idea? I drew red lines over the threads I was thinking on cutting - I think I should be fine if I did that, the way the straps get loaded. Any anons whove messed with their packs before for modifications or integrate them with different kit have input?
the proper belt looks like this
guess you can try that, but it might be flimsy at you'd have only canvas and no tight fit
the other way would be sowing three loop on your alice belt and using that aluminium piece to hold them in place
here you can see the three loops
Thanks anon, ill try and scope out one of those belts or consider sowing loops onto the alice.
Id rather not cut threads and molest an otherwise perfectly fine item of vintage
I'm a complete novice to sewing or any sort of gear modifications/repair. I was thinking that some heavy weight polypropylene strap material off of amazon might be good to use to make as loops on the alice belt. That being said how should one going about making that modification? What sort of method would you use to sew thick canvas type of material together, would you have to use a machine?
pack is austrain kaz03 piece i ordered from varusteleka to replace my old framed jansport backpack. It has the aluminum quick belt piece which is nice but i new it wouldnt come with the belt that its designed to integrate with
Not sure why anyone would get this without the belt. The belt is so essential for proper carry. Glad I got the backpack over the ruck.
Can anyone opine on the quality of vanquest bags?
Guys, where do you buy milsurp gear? I'm in Europe. Does anybody have experience with this site?
https://www.militarysurplus.eu/search.php?filter_node%5B1%5D=152%2C1284%2C176%2C154%2C1339&filter_producer=&filter_price=&filter_new=&filter_bestseller=&filter_discount=&filter_promotion=&filter_instock=&filter_sizes=&text=MOLLE
Varusteleka is the most popular website. Try second hand stuff in eBay.
Thank you!
If you want Swedish(mostly) surplus you can check out
>https://en.flobyoverskottslager.se/
Thank you so much!
He's a cute pupper and I bet he's a good boy! Tell him internet stranger said that.
>shops
No need to apologise. Thank you for the additional detail regarding the vendors.
>Militarysurplus.eu is ultra-cheap but sluggish
What do you mean by that? Slow delivery times or something else?
>or something else?
They add slugs to the order.
whaaaat!?! free slugs with every order!? take my money!!!
lmao
Ah, I see. It's okay then.
I'll do my best to explain it to him kek.
I think the people running the site have access to large semi-organized milsurp caches, so they have to go hunt down the thing you've ordered, which may or may not be there. This can take a few weeks for large orders. You can follow along on the website, but they write the status for individual items in Romanian shorthand, so it's a bit difficult to decipher. Delivery time is normal once they ship it. Think of your order as a wish list with an 80% success rate. They'll refund your credit card with whatever they didn't find.
I don't mean to disparage them, I have ordered hundreds of euros worth of stuff over maybe three or four times from them, but they are a peculiar vendor.
Kek
Nice pic, except for the bottle cap.
I've only stayed in the woods one night. I would like try to stay in the woods for atleast 2 days, but I don't have a backpack. What's a good beginner backpack?
for two days 60 to 70L makes it easy.
something with a waist strap for long walks. doesn't need to be fancy, this pack (eurohike pathfinder II) has served me well for 8 years. chinkshit but it lasted with no real damage ????
I really like the shoulder straps and waist strap, very comfy and highly adjustable. just wish it had more top-cover for strapping a bedroll on top.
Thanks for the suggestion, but I don't think I can get this backpack anywhere online. But thanks anyway for letting me know that 60L is enough volume.
>I don't think I can get this backpack anywhere online
couldn't send you my original message, filter thinks i am spam but just search online, there's literally hundreds similar.
I'm not pathfinder-anon.
Are you in the euro-zone import prison like me, or are you in less oppressed lands, anon? How much crap you got? Preferably, you size your backpack to your equipment, not the other way around. If you don't have your gear yet, can you describe your climate and which seasons you wanna go PrepHole in? Do you want to do steaks and beers with the fellas, three clicks from the parking lot, or do you wanna do ultralight superdistance megahiking 9000? There's no such thing as a "beginner backpack", because there's no universal answer to PrepHoleing. The more info you give us, the better we can help.
Before I started my leather-and-canvas LARP, I would easily go three enjoyable days with a 30L pack (picrel), but if I wanted to bring the drone, extra batteries, charger, solar panels and beers and steaks and a bigger tarp and shit, well then I'd bring my 105L pack for the same duration.
I have a tent and a sleeping bag that takes up about 30L. I need to get a sleeping mat aswell. For now let's just say I want to go PrepHole in all seasons. I live in the Netherlands so all the seasons are here. I'm more inclined to go in autumn and winter because there are no bugs and those are the comfy seasons.
I just want to go wildcamping. My goal is to spend atleast a week PrepHole eventually.
what's the bag's rating?
mine is pretty light so I'm getting a liner bag. not only it should keep the bag warmer but it should help with keeping in clean. my setup is a hammock though.
Okay, that's pretty bulky IMO. 50L is probably a good minimum for you in that case.
A mat just straps on the outside somewhere, no biggie. I would never go anywhere without a foam mat, but if you want an inflatable one for winter, you can stack the inflatable on top of the foam for extra insulation and to protect the inflatable one from punctures. I'm not familiar with PrepHoleing in the Netherlands, but I'll assume its similar to nearby regions. The ground gets real cold in the winter.
This guy
is right about liners. They take no space, and are very nice for sweaty sleepers and for winter use.
i strap my sleeping bag on the outside, i use a bivvy and make a bedroll, the bivvy is waterproof so it doesn't get wet if it rains on me a bit, however i do also have a rain cover. i rolled my bedroll super wide in this photo haha, i usually fold it in more so it makes a shorter roll.
oh to clarify;
on the bottom: rolled up green sleeping mat.
camo thing on top: bedroll
lighter thing in the middle: ???? probably a jumper or parka-insulation.
Alpenchad reports in with the bivyroll technique! Yeah, that works too to save some internal space, although it gets pretty wide IMO. I only use it if I need to be able to set up camp fast (ie. stealth camping or back in the service). There is also always the risk of puncturing the bivybag or tarp or whatever.
absolutely, however if you want to reduce the width of the bivvy-roll, fold the sides in as you roll it up, requires a bit of a technique using your knees to press it down, fold the sides in a bit, then roll, press down with knees, repeat.
i find this fits under the head of a normal british army pack. like this one
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/354156584072
may also be a good choice for you, newbie anon
We were issued the exact same pack, but in our own vastly superior camouflage pattern kek. I can't believe I can't find a clearer picture of my issued pack from then, so you'll have to take my word for it when I say it that the british one is the same as in picrel. Don't buy that style of pack unless you're gonna be wearing it with webgear. It is designed to rest on the dorsal pouches of your belt, and it has a waist belt, not a hip belt. You'll be carrying the whole weight on the shoulders if you're not wearing webgear.
>You'll be carrying the whole weight on the shoulders if you're not wearing webgear.
oooooh that explains it! it never felt right, please link example of webgear pls & ty
See how I'm wearing a belt with a bunch of pouches on it, and that is in turn attached to an H-harness? That creates a shelf upon which the pack is designed to rest. This is considered outdated and bulky nowadays, and everybody is a highspeed high-cut plate-carrier operator these days. I served during the transition from webgear to plate carriers, which resulted in some rather odd temporary solutions kek.
My current PrepHole kit is also webgear + backpack, although the webgear uses a Y-harness rather than an H-harness, and is leather. Same principle though. Webgear takes some getting used to, and there's a lot of fiddling with the strap lengths and the tension and so on, but once it's set up properly, it is barely felt.
In contrast to the 1990s style green kit, my modern 2010s "slick" kit moved the gear away from the waist and hips and onto the chest and thigh(s), which then allows for modern packs to put weight on the hip belt, and also favors modern clothing styles (low waist slim-fit etc.). Some hiking companies like HPG make kitbags and chestrigs and stuff for civie PrepHoleing, but I ended up just going back to the webgear, since I don't wear body armor on a regular basis anymore, and I like old stuff.
>pic
this is how my proposed special operations branch of the park service would deal with litterers. take your stupid disposable water bottle with you you stupid Black folk!
Breaching operations to give people back their trash kek?
Could also just do it from a distance, I guess.
(not my picture)
>not zero ultra
these dipshits had one singular mission to accomplish
I'm not even sure that existed back then. When I was in, the Danish infantry was effectively fueled by, as well as a cult to, the green Monster.
Picrel is what I mean with "wide". Standard-issue 20" barrel M16 and 105L pack for scale. I don't remember exactly what's packed inside the Carinthia bivy in this picture, but I'm guessing two Z-lites, a chunky Carinthia winter bag and a silk liner (my standard winter-kit back then). I must have been in a hurry or real tired when I packed it, because I should've put the camo tarp on the bottom of the roll, to protect against abrasion when dumping the pack.
Yeah, good technique, and good description of it for newbies and lurkers. I also use it when I roll my furs for my current PrepHole kit. I've used that technique in picrel as well, but the roll is still as wide as the sleeping pad obviously, and then a bit extra as the kit gets thrown around a bit.
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Judgement final
Hanging on a Tree': Deuteronomy 21.22-23 and the Rhetoric of Jesus' Crucifixion in Acts 5.12-42.
https://www.islamicstudies.info/tafheem.php?sura=7&verse=19&to=25
https://historiska.se/norse-mythology/odin-en/#:~:text=Odin's%20self%2Dsacrifice&text=He%20sacrificed%20his%20eye%20in,able%20to%20understand%20the%20runes.
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I need a recommendation for medium and large backpacks. Something sturdy that won't fail me. I just want to be able to carry enough stuff to be PrepHole for a certain amount of time.
I am not sure if you need more info to recommend something. Let me know. Thanks in advance, PrepHole.
I'm this guy.
The KAZ03 looks nice. Shame about the belt. I set up a restock notification, but I wonder if it will be restocked at all.
https://www.varusteleka.com/en/product/austrian-kaz-03-battle-belt-surplus/70586
I am rereading the thread to gather info about backpacks and I realised I read your post without looking at the pic. He's a cute doggie!
Cheers!
As I said in the other thread, read this thread. You'll realize that you need to give a lot more specifics before anyone can actually help you. I have used over a dozen packs in the past decade alone, ranging from €15 to €600, and they all had pros and cons that would make them useful or useless depending on context.
Am I seeing this wrong, or will the compression straps put all the tension on the zippers? Is there some sort of internal bypass where the black reinforcements are?
I guess you would put a bit of tension on the zippers if you were to cinch it down really tight, but it's a somewhat small daypack, and for just stabilizing my load, the zippers weren't really under any tension.
They didn't gape or anything when I opened it, and closing them didn't take any effort, so if there was tension on them, it was very little.
I can try to see inside when I get home, if they did anything special to reduce to load on the zippers.
Packed it pretty damn full, and did adjust it in the field as I changed layers due to weather, and all I can say is that whatever they did, it seems to work.
I don't want to rain on your parade, but unless there's some sort of hidden mechanism, that seems like terrible design to me. Zippers are THE weak point on a lot of modern kit, and tension will cause them to fail earlier.
Contrast with the MR3DAP that has the straps going on top of the zipper, to lighten the tension on the zipper, rather than the other way around.
If I was stuck with your pack, I'd try to figure out how to connect the straps on either side of the zipper with a loop of paracord or whatever, so the zipper is under as little tension as possible.
>it seems to work
I'm not implying that it won't work for a while. I'm just saying that it will definitely fail way earlier than necessary because of this; and then you end up having to make some sort of field expedient version of what I'm suggesting with the paracord loop.
If it does turn out to be an issue, it's quite an easy fix, I just connect the straps over the pack, instead of having them independent for each side.
Bought a backpack last week.
https://vorn.no/en/shop/vorn-ev30/
Super happy with it so far, though the gun scabbard is a little tight for my chassis rifle with a big ass scope.
I'll be getting a dedicated hunting rifle for next season, so that's not really something I will whine too much about.
*blocks your path*
Can somebody explain this?
It's a primitive packframe. Very based. Embrace tradition.
Ok, but which are its applications? For when you don't have a backpack and you suddenly need one?
Hand crafted backpack, frame made with sticks and paracord, body made from what seems to be a poncho or tarp.
>body
There is no body on a frame like that. That's the whole point. You just tie whatever you want to it.
What do you mean? The application is to carry shit?
>SHTF pack
A BOB or an INCH bag? Forget about the INCH bag unless you're motorized and/or in some group of ex-SOF survivalist types. BOB depend on your context. Are you bugging out on foot or in a vehicle, are you going to your sister's house ten clicks away, or to some hidden shelter a three week hike up into the mountains or what? SHTF bags are a meme unless it is part of a waaaaay larger prep system including vehicles and stashes and buddies and so on. Just go PrepHole instead of theorycrafting, friend. If you wanna prep, stack useful resources at home. If you wanna LARP, knock yourself out!
>can somebody recommend
Not without you describing more of the usual list of necessary information. Budget, materials, color, design, activity, climate, seasons, etc.
>miltec
Yeah, that's gonna fail on you.
Armchair Einstein detected.
Marvel Comics drivel disregarded.
>armchair
This is me, homosexual.
Come back when you have scars.
>What do you mean? The application is to carry shit?
I get it, but in a scenario when no backpack is available, right?
Nowadays, mostly yes. There are hypotheticals in which I'd choose this over a backpack, but they are rare. Mostly if carrying wet, pointy and/or dirty shit like animal carcasses or firewood.
I have in mind a BOB bag "Military Style".
I will be ON FOOT. I m going to the house of my mothers ex fiancee with whom we have good relationship.
He is a farmer (owns no guns/does not hunt but has many livestock animals like chicken, goats, Geese, turkeys
and also some Cows).
Its near the City I live in around 20-30km depending on the route. I dont have any guns with me cause of
EU laws regarding actually effective guns like proper Semi auto Rifles and Pistols of any kind
but I could get a Double Barrel 12g Shotgun/Bolt Action Rifle like a Mosin/Mauser/ any Hunting rifle that is commonly used
but lack the funds for it (price goes around 800-1300€).
> If you wanna prep, stack useful resources at home.
We always have food and supplies for around a month since the Covid morons panic bought everything the first time it started.
The thing is that I do not feel safe in a major city like this one I live in.
My country is a neutral one in the global theater but basically a NATO Sock puppet and a potentional target for anyone
since we dont belong nowhere and making a excuse would be easy.
more info about the Bag:
budget: 80-200€ (can go up to 250€ if its worth)
material: anything thats though and proven
Color: Olive Drab, Flecktarn, Marpat ect. -- (Black, Any Bright Color, Multicam and Tan and such are out of question)
activity: mainly Bugging Out but also 3 days camping trips
climate: Mild seasons of Central Europe with lots of greenery and forests, thats why I lean more towars "Green" camo and patterns.
Here is my general take on your plan:
20-30km on foot is doable in a single trip, so you don't really need any fancy shit. Even if we double the effective distance/time because you wanna cut through broken terrain for concealment and the like, it's still doable without needing to sleep. In that case, you don't really need much on your back - you should focus on storing resources at the desired location. Just get some decent footwear, appropriate clothing, and some neutral daypack to carry some ready-to-eat food, water, raingear (if relevant in your area), and laminated paper maps and a compass. I'm not gonna tell you how to prioritize your prep, but I'm guessing you are young. You have a duty to your family as well, make sure to figure out a way for them to get to the same location, establish means of communication and backup plans and so on. I realize this is a backpack thread, but you don't seem to actually need a new backpack. Get a cheapo surplus 15L-25L daypack or keep the miltec one, keep it ready to go, and don't overthink that part of it. Spend your prep-money on more convenient things that you're actually gonna need whether the SHTF or not, like medicine and food and water and so on (for example, I keep a year's worth of anti-parasitics for my dog on hand). Hike the 20-30km route and time it. Find alternate routes, not just on satellite photos, but physically. Look for good spots for improvised shelter along the way. Look for spots to avoid.
>I have enough for a month
That's great. Now make it two months, make sure you rotate your supplies, eat it instead of wasting it, and so on and so forth. Spend money on tools to make things yourself. Coordinate with the farmer and your family. Make it an enjoyable family activity, rather than a stressful doomer thing.
>EU laws
I feel ya, anon.
However, if you wanna LARP the boog, that's different. Survivalism innawoods is a completely different game, but pretty much entirely a LARP if you're in Europe. In that case, just lean into the LARP and get whatever you think is cool and just have some fun. I have PrepHole kit that I would trust my life with if SHTF (mostly a bunch of stuff I used back when I was this guy
), but I LARP around in whatever I like on a regular basis (now that I'm this guy
). I'm not gonna grab my reindeer fur instead of my Carinthia bag if the bombs start falling or the vaxies start eating people's brains.
Grabbed this thing
It feels quite large step up from your average school bag but holding it on felt too good not to buy.
Its not like i have to fill it every time, right?
Can anybody ID this pack? Found it for 20 bucks at a flea market, seems sturdy enough that it merited a purchase. Internal frame (back has metal inserts slotted in), no internal subdivision; unclear on capacity. No labelling apart from an old REI patch, which I can't date/verify the authenticity of. Any thoughts?
that looks like an EVA 00 model.
I should detonate your skull for such a post
can somebody recommend me a 65L+ pack for SHTF ?
I have a Miltec Assault 2 pack (40L) and I dont really trust in it despite it still holding up.
My backup plan for if I dont find a good backpack is that I just get a military Seesack and stuff everything inside.
Is there a good resource for comparing backpacks? What brand would you recommend?
>resource
Do you mean like an app?
>brands
The really really expensive ones are usually pretty good.
Can you specify what you're looking for, as described literally half a dozen posts above?
>Do you mean like an app?
More like a wiki or a website, ideally with tables containing information such as capacity, price, weight, brand, model etc. App would work, too.
>Can you specify what you're looking for
One medium sized (maybe around 25l) ideally with zips that's capable of holding 20kg+ of weight for every day use.
Another one for hunting which I must be able to carry a rifle on my back alongside it. Obviously available in a suited color, too.
>described literally half a dozen posts above
Yeah sorry, didn't feel like reading a 350+ post thread.
>More like a wiki or a website
Exactly.
>Asks for resources on backpacks
>Doesn't wanna read a thread dedicated to backpacks.
I don't know what to tell you, anon.
Here, have the original packing list. Swap for modern material as you see fit.
AGA Packliste Jaegerrucksack / mid to late 1990s/bottom to top
Rucksack, klein / "Jaegerrucksack"
On top secured with 2 pack straps (Roedelriemen):
Slep system in WP bag
Main Compartment:
(Front section)
Towel
Thermo Jacket
Hygiene kit
"NATO Rolle" Held together with 1 pack strap
-> Trousers/Blouse/Tshirt/Boxers/Socks
Goretex Bottom
Goretex Top
Field Jacket
(Back section)
Sleeping mat (to the back)
Zeltbahn
Sidepouch left
(personal items)
Socks
Sewing kit
Hankerchief
Sidepouch right
(personal items)
Shoe cleaning kit
2 packstraps attaches to main compartment straps of the pack
Mehrzwecktasche:
Canteen
ESBIT
Cutlery
Weapons cleaning kit
Camo paint
Ration box
Total weight ~13kg