https://www.twitter.com/Ben_Westcott/status/1633268421004779520
>US President Joe Biden is set to announce the details of a nuclear submarine deal with the leaders of Australia and the United Kingdom in California on Monday, people familiar with the matter said.
>Biden, UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak and Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese will travel to San Diego to unveil the details during an event at a naval base, potentially aboard a submarine. The project is part of the so-called Aukus agreement, launched in 2021 to counter China’s military power in the Indo-Pacific.
Get ready for an old man, a pajeet, and an oicunt on board a Virginia-class.
>UK PM Rishi Sunak
QUINTESSENTIALLY
The Romans ruled Britain as a colony, then it was lorded over by the Vikings, who the Normans defeated and established its monarchy which is full of sundry Europeans, and PM Benjamin Disraeli was an Italian garden gnome. Britain has spent much of its history governed by non-British people.
stop trying to make excuses for your dying political order
I'm not making any excuses, just stating facts. Like it or not, Britain has not had an Anglo Saxon ruler since Godwinson. And even then, said group were essentially Germanic peoples who had been invited as protectors by the 'original' Britons after the fall of the Western Roman Empire, to defend against Pictish and Gaelic (i.e. proto-Irish and Scottish) incursions
>who the Normans defeated and established its monarchy
The Normans were descendants of Viking settlers.
True, but by the time of William the Conqueror they were a very distinct ethnic group from the Norse Vikings they descended from as they adopted French language, customs and Catholicism. Harold Godwinson, the last Anglo-Saxon king of England (who William defeated) also had Danish ancestors, and British royalty then was overall closely interlinked with Denmark and Norway's in general which is why Harald Hardrada felt he had a claim. Thus, if you assume anyone with Scandi heritage qualified as a 'Viking', then the entire power-struggle over Britain was Vikings vs Vikings vs Vikings...
>vikings vs vikings vs vikings
That is more or less how I see it.
What is a "British" person then? The Scots? The Welsh?
The anglo-saxons.
But the celts were there first
No, they weren't. The people who built the Stonehenge, for example, were there before the Celts.
>No, they weren't
The celts weren't in Britain before the anglo-saxons? Are you retarded?
The issue is that if you're going to take this into the Mesolithic and further back, then you're going to encounter the obvious problem that the concept of countries didn't exist and no place other than Africa belonged to the first humans. The Celts were the first to be described as British by the Greeks who named Britain to begin with (Prettanike), so that's why we can consider them the first British civilisations.
Yeah but the A-S are those who outbred everyone and became the core ethnicity of the island.
Anglos interbred with the celts though.
Nope. Those guys came after the Fall of Rome to protect and later rule the indigenous Celtic Britons.
If you mean 'British' as the original inhabitants of the British Isles (like the Greeks and Romans did), then yes, the Gaels who would become the Scottish and Irish were original British peoples, alongside the Picts (who merged with the Gaels to become the Scots), Welsh Celtic tribes, and Britons. All of them were Celtic ethnolinguistic groups.
>British
The Normans didn’t establish anything. The Anglo-Saxon state apparatus was left intact with the officials being replaced with Normans.
to me albanese doesnt sound quite anglo either
He’s italian, from the most Italian part of NSW
tfw the only Anglo state currently ruled by an Anglo is New Zealand
Isn’t Biden’s family Irish or something? Ireland is basically an Anglosphere country after what, 800 years of occupation and intermarriage?
Yes, but the Paddies aren't happy about it.
>tfw the only Anglo state currently ruled by an Anglo is New Zealand
Isnt the NZ premier a sephardic garden gnomeess?
English is a culture, not an ethnicity. The Danes, Celts, Saxons, Jutes, Normans etc were Anglicized and became good Englishmen. Sunak is an Englishman, he grew up in England is culturally English and supports England in football (even against his ancestors country). He has a non-English surname but so does Nigel Farage. He's a real Englishman, get over it. As an American I have more respect for him than I have for poltards
of course you would pajeet
> Normans were Anglicanized
Debateable that it wasn't more of the other way around following the Norman invasion of England.
>He's a real Englishman, get over it
>As an American
have a nice day. I mean this sincerely. You're not human.
English is an ethnicity you American gay
I don’t speak English, I speak American. Post guns bong
the word you're looking for would be Anglo, you fucking dumb bong gay every day I bless all forms of Christ we broke free of your wretched culture (which, again, is English)
have a nice day
Fuck off back to red dit
>English is a culture, not an ethnicity
Found the garden gnome
why are people still seething about him? isn't the reason he's there because he just ended up being in line after everyone else who could take the job resigned?
They are seething at him because he is brown, in exactly the same way they spent 8 years seething at Obama because he was black
This guy is clearly a British mix so it’s not the worst thing ever. Obama was the most un-moron black in the world, to the point he may as well have been an alien.
Wait for Brexit, mate, Britain will be Great again!
>potentially aboard a submarine
superlatively based
>Get ready for an old man, a pajeet, and an oicunt on board a Virginia-class.
Imagine the smell
nuclear submarines for everyone
(EXCEPT GERMANY)
>Nuclear propulsion in the baltic sea.
There's the North Sea, dumb amerimutt, which pretty much a stepping stone to the North Atlantic.
There's not much sense for countries with only Baltic coastline to acquire a nook boat, but North sea is another story.
Main problems is Krauts boomers are just a bunch of braindead retards and got scared of anything with "nuclear" in their name without any sensible reason whatsoever. Who know, maybe years of Gazprom and Vatnik Union beforehand rot their brains
*Gazprom and Vatnik Union propagandas
>boomers
The German retardation about nuclear is nearly universal. They genuinely believe it can’t be done safely, that the waste can’t be stored safely, and that it’s bad for the environment - so they replace it with coal and Russian lng KEK. Never mind that the French are next door and getting along fine with their plants.
> North Sea
Still too shallow and too small for effective ssn operation
>is seething about Anglos relevant to discussing submarines?
>submarines?
Want to have a bit of a laugh?
The Australian public servant currently in charge of the AUKUS submarine program was sent there since, in her last job as director of among other things the country's welfare program, she was so astoundingly incompetent/incredibly malicious that 2,000 people died and the government had to erase about a billion dollars worth of falsely raised debts. She was grilled in a royal commission yesterday and her greatest hits included claiming she had absolutely no knowledge of how her department was run (claiming that a now dead deputy was responsible for everything), showing absolutely no remorse for the suicide of a welfare recipient that her program caused (while their parent was in the room and staring at her) and claiming that she had basically no memory of anything in the last 10 years.
So yeah that's how highly the Australian government views the nuclear submarine program. She is in charge.
Huh. You’d think that the Labour government would put someone with naval experience in the position. Call me crazy but maybe even a captain of a Collins Class submarine would be a good fit to oversee a submarine based project. But what do I know? I’m just a normal burger chud halfway across the world.
Oh, said public servant was in the Army Reserves becoming CO of from memory the 2nd Division, so it's not like she has no experience in military matters or military procurement. But having a person who is so incompetent their appearance in the Senate results in a fucking royal commission in charge of such a critical program isn't a good sign. From her own sworn testimony she is either very stupid or very, very malicious.
You've got me there.
I'm salty because we canned our old submarine program in exchange for this shit and the absolute highest grade of public servant we can allocate to it is that cunt.
If you'll allow me to speculate for a moment, I reckon the Albanese government wants out of the program and is sending her there as a pic related move. They want the program dead and they want her APS career to go with it.
IMO that's not severe enough, she should be stripped of her military awards and sent to prison, but if that's what's happening then I'll take that too.
Is she that same CO2 generator from that infamous clip of some poor admiral trying to explain what a pump jet is to some braindead politician?
If you're referring to Pauline Hanson, no.
Oh, so you guys have at least two clueless knuckle draggers in charge of submarine procurement. God help you.
Hanson's not involved with the procurement directly, she's just a member of the senate so gets to ask questions.
I don't think Kathryn Campbell is actually in charge of it either, she's like a diplomatic liaison.
Oh you're right, she's an "advisor", so an even more useless position lmao. Still far too important for her to be near and an indictment of that program.
Your overall sentiment is entirely correct.
I assumed this position was just invented for her because she's an experienced, female bureaucrat with a military link and they can't fire her for internal political reasons. Not 'politics of the public' but instead 'politics of not alienating the shadow government and quota gestapo'
>proven ability to kill welfare recipients
honestly she sounds ideally qualified to work with the defense forces
>So yeah that's how highly the Australian government views the nuclear submarine program.
Australia has been killing it with their sub program overall, lets not stop at "nuclear"
Who else in the ADF/DoD has 2,000 kills anon?
Have fun having outdated submarines delivered in 2060
Anglo loser cockscukers
okay zang. have fun trying to escape the Vietnamese sea.
S-so the UK literally elected a Pajeet as PM?
Australia flooded with Asians
This country is being flooded by browns and all sorts of international colored people who all know how to work work visa systems for maximum invasion volume. Canada is finished.
Basically, the Anglo world is done for. I don’t know what to say. I have no advice. UK elected a Pajeet.
The UK most notably did not elect their current PM kek
their elected representatives chose him, so they did elect him by proxy
I don’t think even Tories feel that way about him.
they should've chose someone else then
they did choose someone else lmao
yeah and then they chose him after she resigned
didn't choose her either
God I hope it's done on a submarine, if biden falls off my sides will leave the solar system.
Could 4chan fuck off so I can talk about fuckign submarines
Fuck sake gays fuck off.
this is an announcement of an announcement thread
CONTENT INHERENTLY LOW
>another AUKUS thread seething about Anglos
SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT POLITICS
What subs are they getting?
Astute in the image is an attack sub.
Are they getting the new sub the bongs were going to make? Dreadnought?
Can they still make Vanguard?
>What subs
likely the SSN(r). Actual trilateral effort not off the shelf shit, design input from all memebers. Hopefully Australia and Britain collaborate on more future products, lack of Australian design input has hurt us
>
This is actually such a retarded idea for Australia I am convinced that they will do. Nuclear submarines that we won't see for a minimum of 20 years. It will also no doubt be another typical defence procurement focused on """sovereign capability""" A.K.A welfare program for the retards in South Australia who couldn't build a working ship (god forbid a submarine) if their lives depended on it. GOD HELP US
US and UK shipyards are apparently too busy to take large new orders so will probably be made in Australia.
There's also apparently 1 Trafalgar class still in service so wouldn't be surprised if that's operated by Australia as some stopgap/training vessel.
>1 Trafalgar
There are 26 688s in service and 34 retired. Leasing a 688 as a fallback if Australia couldn't have Virginias was something that bubbled around in policy circles for a long time anyway, plus Australia has used, and will want to keep using, US combat systems on their subs. Refueled 688s make sense.
I'd put more of a bet on the last astute class to be built being loaned/sold to the aussies, if not the last 2 of them. The last trafalgar class will not be a good sales platform for BAEs combat systems like I bet they're trying to get signed on to
>NOOO YOU CANT BUILD DOMESTIC SKILLED MANUFACTURING WE HAVE TO IMPORT EVERYTHING NUKES ARE EVIL
retard
t.seething worst australian
No I’m just an Aussie who wants actual domestic arms and industry. Here’s the thing retard - we can also be given/leased existing submarines while those are built!
Go fucking moan to your mp that the jobs aren’t going to your local though, I’m sure they’ll definitely for real fix it
>SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT POLITICS
The politics are of critical importance actually.
The politics surrounding the sub aquisition sure, but that's hardly what is in this thread.
I'd give them Seawolf or its successor.
I reckon it's going to be an announcement of a joint project between the three to build a SSN, gonna be difficult to pull that off though.
Err... how on earth is Biden going to manage all those stairs and ladders?
nukes arent real
collin class subs was under piss poor management and direction was constantly changed due to rapid capability improvements. new management with the guise of uncle sam directing the shots will be a different story.
t. knower
There seems to be a rumor it's 2 already built astute class initially.
>San Diego
So they're going to lease LA boats
So, what are the bets?
>Virginia
>Astute
Or the extra super special retarded option you just know they're gonna go for:
>Brand new sub design
We’re going to get some existing astutes
And we’re going to build some subs here. I think they’ll be an existing design however it’s possible it’ll leave the door open for a new joint development program. But I don’t see there being comfort with that
Los Angeles for lease with a Virginia or Astute off-shoot designed and built in Australia.
Likely a modified astute with VLS
Why the larger crew on the US?
Honestly trusting the Australians with fucking anything is a terrible idea. They are a backdoor for the Chinese.
>anon is still living in 2015
nice
If we go with the Astute class I'm going to blow my brains out ausbros.
>we're not going with Astute or Virginias. Marles hasnt been hiding what Australia path is. The choice will be a new design, SSN(r), hence wanking off a "truly trilateral effort".
You don't even have the manpower for your Collins class. Why would you want Virginias?
/k/comrade...
>An enthusiastic Rishi Sunak has told ministers to expect a positive outcome next week when he travels to San Diego to unveil a deal to supply nuclear-powered submarines to Australia as part of the Aukus pact with the US.
>Multiple sources said they believed the UK had succeeded in its bid to sell British-designed nuclear submarines to Australia, a deal that will safeguard the long-term future of the shipyard at Barrow-in-Furness.
Forgot link.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/08/uk-to-unveil-nuclear-submarines-deal-with-australia-sources-say
>The expectation, one source indicated, was that Australia would work jointly on a design for a next generation submarine with the UK, evolving from the existing Astute submarine design, although it may not be seaworthy until the 2040s because of the complexity of the work.
>But other speculation that the UK could even be willing to sell or lease the two Astute class submarines yet to be completed at Barrow, HMS Agincourt and HMS Agamemnon, is wide of the mark. Naval analysts say the UK’s submarine fleet is already stretched and could not afford a sudden reduction.
So not Astutes now or in the future. Which has to mean LAs in the short term.
>ITT. Seething indians and frenchmen
>PM Rishi Sunak
>PM Albert Barese
what in the actual fuck "anglo"id sphere
>PM Albert Barese
Not his name
https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/australia-expected-buy-up-5-virginia-class-submarines-part-aukus-sources-2023-03-08/
Looks like it's buying burgersubs for the stopgap, local basing of burgersubs before the buy is done, and building bong designed subs with burger reactors locally for the long term.
That’s based as fuck. Greatest ally status: maintained
Holy based! Might as well sell the Bongs and Aussies B21s while we’re at it.
DAMN YOU ETERNAL ANGLO
No disrespect or "lol cucked" but can we at least laugh about the fact the US has an Irish head of state and England an Indian?
You can laugh. Ireland is an anglophone nation whether they want to admit it or not. It’s been 800+ years of occupation and intermarriage and mass migration to US/Australia and Canada.
On the UK having an Indian prime minister, I can’t defend it. Nobody in the public voted for him. Seems like he’s set to lose the election and drag the “conservatives” down with him.
That explains a lot, I thought he was just too old and senile to follow directions without embarrassing himself or know anything when asked questions. Didn’t know he was Irish
Why yes fellow weapons enthusiast, the US and UK have remarkably similar laws
australia has been asking for b21s in every discussion that they've been brought up in. they're getting them for sure
Holy fuck, straight to Virginias.
Tbh this makes me wish all the more the USN could have bought Type 26 FFGs, as long as we were buying a foreign hull. With joint programs like this, we're moving in the direction of common platforms anyway. One Anglo Navy, One Anglo Future.
>Type 26 buy
Agree completely. I view the future as a civilization game rather than nation state.
>Chinese civilization united
>Indian civilization united
>European Union the start of a united Europe
>Anglosphere Union (we’re different/better than the continentals. Always have been always will be)
We already have 5 eyes, speak the same language, have similar laws, etc. Might as well start freedom of movement, working rights, integration of armed forces, etc.
>freedom of movement
Fuck off, like we need more pom tourists waddling round our beaches. No, only the pajeet failsons and Chinese neuvo-rich for us please
I waddled around 5 mile beach, Tasmania last month and there is nothing you can do about it
>Might as well start freedom of movement, working rights,
We can do without all your pakis and morons thanks.
>straight to Virginias
Good, if we're spending all this money anyway, may as well go whole hog. No sense in half measures. State of the art sub fleet means what it means.
Yeah but not until 2030. There really could be war before then.
Luckily they’ll keep the bases in WA so if the Chinese bomb us over it we won’t lose anything of value
That's why the US will be forward basing in AUS before the sale you dingdongs.
Forward basing -> bought Virginias -> local built
Only problem is it means 10-15 years until they enter service. Will it take that long to train ausfag submariners on nuke boat operations, and to make necessary improvements to support facilities, so that the wait doesn't make a difference anyway?
>an old man, a pajeet, and an oicunt on board a Virginia-class
And on that day, not a single word in the English language was properly pronounced. Just a deluge of consonants and vowels, all in the most incomprehensible orders and combinations.
FACT:-
Instead of China, AUKUS are nothing more than a paper tiger scheme devised to counter the rise of Indonesia as the leader of South East Asia. Washington, London and it's dog Canberra realize the dangerous threat towards it's colonialist sphere of influence towards poor third world country like Singapore, Malaysia and Brunei. Not to mentioned that during Borneo Liberation War scar when Indonesian pretty much destroying whole Commonwealth force from colonializing Indonesian province of Borneo. Of course these paper-thin AUKUS "alliance" will collapse and any effort by these white colonialists vermin towards South East Asia will become their next graveyard of the dying empire.
Thats a very hot take. However, Krika is my favorite Bionicle villain.
Amid the backdrop of global outcry against china’s attacks on democracy, AUKUS has shown that it can deliver impact where it matters most for communities under threat. This lofty conglomerate of free peoples must contain Chinese expansionism in our time. Let them have their multi polar world, led by NATO in the north and AUKUS in the south, adorned with the bulletproof legitimacy bestowed on it by our human rights and lgbtq acceptance records.
Ausies so hyped to get a sub 2 generations behind what Russia has, arguably 3 behind the CCP, adorable.