Biden is expected to announce the delivery of ATACMS to Ukraine during the next Ramstein meeting on the 19th of this month. Considering how Ukraine already operates HIMARS and GMLRS it won't take them more than a few weeks to train on ATACMS, which is deployed from the same launchers as them.
By late October or early November massive three and a half thousand pound ballistic missiles will start raining all over the Russian Black Sea fleet in Crimea. The timing of this move indicates that US is finally allowing Ukraine to sink the Russian Black Sea Fleet in response to the termination of the grain deal. Just yesterday, Ukraine captured strategically located oil rigs in the Black Sea from Russia. Once the Russian Navy is destroyed, Russia will have very little incentive to continue its war in Ukraine.
>ATACMS in Ukraine
And soon in russian command posts.
And dombass children too, dont forget those
>They are still alive after 11 years of dying by billions
FUCKIN DIE ALREADY!!1
Their biomass would cover the planet in a layer of 200 meters if we were not bombing them.
Holy shit, the ukies will totally put atacms on those oil rigs. Sevastopol is fucked
Location of the captured oil rigs. (in cyan)
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They didn’t "capture" anything. First of all the rigs all belong to Ukraine; they were basically stolen by Russia some 8 years ago but have since been completely abandoned because of the war. However, Russia did use one to station a radar which was snooping Black Sea airspace; the U.S. probably asked Ukraine to go pick it up, which they did, and posed for a flag photo op on the way out. Ukraine isn’t going to station forces on these things because they’re indefensible and will just get murdered trying to.
I know PrepHole desperately wants to spin the flag photo op like a victory, but it simply isn’t. A handful of SOF on a motorboat boarded an abandoned Ukrainian oil platform to grab a radar set. That’s all there was to it
>the U.S. probably asked Ukraine to go pick it up, which they did
First act of a shill, never consider Ukraine as independent entity but controlled completely by USA/HATO
It’s COMMON SENSE moron; Ukraine doesn’t have assets flying over the Black Sea being tracked by that radar — but the US does and frequently gets harassed by Russian air power as a result. That’s so obvious I’m stunned I have to spell it out.
>Ukraine doesn’t have assets flying over the Black Sea being tracked by that radar
Try telling that to ziggers dying to Ukrainian air assets flying above Black Sea
…what? Ukraine has no such assets unless they’re sending their TB2 out there which I haven’t heard of.
They used TB2s to track Moskva before they sunk it. This is been known for a while.
IM LITERALLY SHOWING YOU TB2 KILLING ZIGGERS WHILE FLYING ABOVE BLACK SEA ARE YOU LITERALLY RETARDED
Jesus Christ lmao. Vatniks really are fucking braindead.
>if clash report post shit about tb2 then it must be true
>nevermind the fact that we LITERALLY have Sergey Pashinsky, saying otherwise
https://www.defensemirror.com/news/32917/Ukrainian_Official_Lambastes_Famed_Turkish_Bayraktar_UAV_in_a_Prank_Call_with_Russians
you probably forgot about this didnt you now
>Ukraine doesn’t have assets flying over the Black Sea being tracked by that radar
This post didn't age well at all, lmao.
>Ukraine didn’t “capture” anything
>j-just let me explain how Russia used them throughout the last 9 years
>they’re totally useless for Ukraine now, trust me bro
Kek!
>here's five reasons why enemy stealing your radars and removing last observation posts west of Crimea is actually a good thing
NATO cannot into electronic warfare anyways, the capture of a radar is a mere publicity stunt
Send some ATACMS towards ind*a too if they get the chance since these curryn1ggers are begging for sum.
>if you capture your enemy’s assets, they win
>We didnt even NEED those !!1!
>I know PrepHole desperately wants to spin the flag photo op like a victory, but it simply isn’t. A handful of SOF on a motorboat boarded an abandoned Ukrainian oil platform to grab a radar set. That’s all there was to it
The victory is that Ukraine is having more success with operations at sea than Russia is having defending warships in port.
The radar station -- defending the sea approach to a harbor that had two ship air sunk in dry dock the next day. What an odd coincidence.
They literally have no means for doing that and even if they did they wouldn’t be stupid enough to throw away critical firepower by placing it on an indefensible location.
What about AShMs?
My only question is, why now? They could have been using them to great effect before the counteroffensive was mounted.
Honest truth: the USA was a in a transitional period between types of ammunition. The stockpile of ATACMS on hand was very low, and the USA wanted to make sure they had them on hand in case China decided to do a funny while we were distracted and had our hands full with Ukraine.
Because biden is a senile fool and his handlers are a bunch of craven bureocrats
So what was the real reason for the U.S. not handing them over sooner?
I've seen a couple of reasons so far.
Ex:
>We don't want you attacking Russia directly
>It was an inventory error
The best reason I've seen so far:
>Biden is still unable to ascertain how much damage he actually wants to cause Russia and is terrified of the possibility of a total collapse of the Russian Federation
>basically, a lack of leadership at the top means Biden isn't "le based" as NCD would like to believe but rather totally afraid of the possibility of muscovy delenda est
>NCD
who?
you know exactly who moron
if I did I wouldn't have asked
rebbit shit. polchuds are obsessed with rebbit
Non-Credible Defense.
>how much damage he actually wants to cause Russia and is terrified of the possibility of a total collapse of the Russian Federation
I doubt this is the case. I bet it's purely political. I imagine they have some sort of timeline of when to release weaponry in order to not look like they are 'escalating' or something.
The Russians have broken every taboo short of actual WMDs. They've used magnesium/incendiary munitions, multilated and murdered POWs, murdered civilians, so exactly what are we *not* escalating towards?
It's why I put escalating in single quotes. We're talking from not just an international perspective, but an American geopolitical perspective as well. 2024 is an election year, so I imagine we will be seeing more and more politically-motivated decisions with regards to Ukraine next year. I agree, the concept of escalation in this war is a farce, it's a peer war between former Soviet countries (nothing new), but that's not a universally held belief. Most people before the war didn't even know where Ukraine is let alone that it is a former Soviet state.
do you really consider using WP to be comparable to deliberately killing civilians? serious question
it is a war crime, but yes, deliberate murder of civilians is the top of the list of no-nos
because I'm not a lobbyist.
Why aren’t you agitating daily, HOURLY for Biden to pick up the phone and ordering Russia kicked out of Ukraine? Don’t you care about stopping these crimes?
>so exactly what are we *not* escalating towards?
Nukes, especially suitcase nukes that go missing.
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK
my guess is that the missiles are nearing the end of their life and it'd be more cost effective to have them get used to blow up ziggers than to dispose of them
>Biden is still unable to ascertain
You actually think Biden is in control of anything? His press secretary wields more power than he does. She can literally tell him to shut up mid-speech and get the fuck off of the stage. Does that sound like a man who is in control?
>terrified of the possibility of a total collapse of the Russian Federation
This x1000. I can't believe some of the dumb shit I read on here, like if Putin dies and the Russian government collapses it will turn into some kind of ancap utopia. No you idiot, the Russian government collapsing would be the worst geopolitical catastrophe of this century.
>but theyre le evil
Yes and whatever replaces them would in all likelihood be even worse, in addition to being totally unpredictable. We want to bring Russia under control, which means there has to be something TO control. We're trying to get them as weak as possible without actually collapsing, which is a very steep cliff that needs to be approached very slowly and cautiously.
Russia civil war is not a catastrophe as long as Japan grabs the far east and pulls the covers off the hidden IJN fleet, and all the helicopter destroyers suddenly rise out of the water revealing they are actually the control towers of much more massive submersible carriers underneath
My reading is that the US wants to go for the holy grail of foreign policy victories; get Russia to denuclearize and move into Chinas missile umbrella instead.
This would require a russia with a reparation debt that would take a russia a century to pay off and Russia having fuck all worth of leverage left aside from its nuke arsenal.
So a proposal will be made; you give up your nukes, and we will take up your debt.
And after that we can let them balkenize in peace
A leverage to stop russia doing something, which they've finally have done.
There's only a small amount available to give and production isn't going to restart for a (technically) obsolete weapon, this was I think the real main reason. Why it's been given the green light is anyone's guess. Maybe the army decided PrSM is in sight and it's not going to be an issue.
The timing isn't bad, however. GLSDB is about to drop as well, so Ukraine will have the trifecta of 80km GMLRS, 150km GLSDB and 300km ATACMS, all from the same high-mobility launcher. I expect nothing less than a total breakdown of Russian logistics.
Trying not to overescallate. They don't want nuclear weapons to be used or go missing if Putin gets too desperate too quickly or if Russia collapses.
Gotta hand it to the british, they have given a very limited amount of fucks regarding these red lines.
Holding them to give to Ukraine if Russia got ballistic missiles from Iran. Deal reached with Iran recently probably has a secret clause that they won't give Russia its missiles. So now just cranking up the heat. Boiling the Russian frog
there's only one real answer
>muh escalation
Boiling frog. Incrementalism works.
Because MIC wants the war to go on a long as possible, because if they gave the Ukrainians what they needed the war would have been over a year or so ago.
Musk's contract is with USG, hence the service cut on the naval drones thing was likely at their behest (and side stepping cyber attacks, much more effective than Russian MOD). The black sea fleet isn't combat effective as it is, may as well hold its destruction over their head as a bargaining tool.
The sinking of the black sea fleet has been used as a threat in response to extreme actions from Russia, I don't see them encouraging it for general Ukranian operations. Setting up a defensive line around Ukranian waters? Maybe.
there are other threats that cannot be spoken aloud to the public, like they will destroy all vodka factories west of the Urals
This means they are already in Ukraine.
The minute Biden stops tongue touching the mike, the ATACMs will fire, as per history with HIMARs
>Biden is expected to announce the delivery of ATACMS to Ukraine during the next Ramstein meeting on the 19th of this month
Then I'll wait till then. People have been breathlessly reporting the eminent transfer for over a year now.
he is only giving ATACMs now which can attack crimean harbor out of fear of Russian reaction but faults Musk for not allowing humanitarian use Starlink to be used to attack same said harbor
also Ukrainians are slavs and also cant fight for shit, make videos is ok
The HIMARS knows where you are at all times because it knows where you aren't. By understanding the totality of places you aren't, the HIMARS can detect with total accuracy the one place that you are. The HIMARS never lets itself get discouraged while searching, because it knows that only by constantly discovering where you aren't can it discover where you are. The HIMARS is perfectly happy. It feels content despite not knowing what being content feels like because it knows that doesn't feel discontented. Because the HIMARS knows that after discovering all the places you aren't, it will now know where you are by knowing the totality of the places you are not. With this knowledge, it can then shower you with millions of tungsten ball bearings travelling at 3,000 feet per second, transforming where you are to yet another place that you are not.
/K is increasingly becoming the place for operators to crack jokes
>Russia will have very little incentive to continue its war in Ukraine
If they didn't have senile maniac dictator yes, but in this case its question if generals , siloviks decide to ice him