At what point is a rifle considered "accurate" or "very accurate" or a "precision rifle"? Is 2 MOA accurate? Is sub-MOA the cutoff for "precision rifle"?
At what point is a rifle considered "accurate" or "very accurate" or a "precision rifle"?
At what point is a rifle considered "accurate" or "very accurate" or a "precision rifle"? Is 2 MOA accurate? Is sub-MOA the cutoff for "precision rifle"?
Depends on the distance you're shooting to, size of the target, and your hit probability confidence. If your engagement distance is 700m on an ipsc size target then you probably need a submoa gun to have a high probability of hitting the target reliably. Something like an SR25 will print 5rnd groups between 0.7moa and 1.5moa consistently. That's pretty good for a gasser.
I consider a rifle acceptable at 1MOA. Exceptional at sub-MOA when it's repeatable and can be done in 10 shot strings (to take barrel heating into consideration).
But that's because it's what *I* like about rifles. I like precision. Some people like aesthetics. Some people just like that LARP quality. To each their own.
You must hate AKs huh
all the holes have to touch for a 3 shot group
For me bad accuracy is 4+ MOA, 4 to 2 is acceptable, 2 to one is accurate, and less than one is precise. Then again I primarily shoot old milsurp and infantry rifles that have awful triggers and accuracy so my standards are skewed
Depends entirely on the context. A 2 MOA rifle isn't bad if we're talking about a generic military context where the goal is simply to hit a torso. 2 MOA sucks for a hunting rifle, and is so terrible it's a joke if we're talking about benchrest target shooting disciplines.
I personally consider 1 MOA to be "accurate" generally speaking.
2 MOA would be more than acceptable if the deer started shooting back.
>2 MOA rifle isn't bad if we're talking about a generic military context where the goal is simply to hit a torso.
It's actually really damn good for a generic military context. 4 MOA is considered standard/acceptable for the US with the M4. Generic AKs tend more towards 5-6 MOA.
Precision rifle should be 1/4 moa.
I think the cutoff is when it is more accurate than you.
a vitals strike on a man sized target at whatever engagement range is accurate enough,
So almost everything modern is good for the caliber out of the box.
Being able to rip a medium deer heart at 500yd requires 1moa minimum and dialing that to as close as 1/2moa as possible is preferred,
But a shot like that is so rare it doesn't even matter, and a deer's kill zone is twice the size of the heart anyways, so it doesn't even matter.
So again most guns are accurate enough right out the box for any realistic situation.
A 4moa gun is perfectly acceptable imo. We've been spoiled by relatively cheap and accurate ar15's so only sub-moa is considered "accurate" now.
Inaccurate: 2+ MOA
Acceptable: 1-2 MOA
Accurate: 0.5-1 MOA
Precision: <0.5 MOA
Accurate is solid for long range shooting, precision is competition shooting levels, acceptable is about what I expect from a decently priced rifle. Anything in the inaccuracte category better be cheap as hell.
>But you can use a 2+ MOA rifle well
It's below standard levels of quality in the current day and age. A consumer car that could reach 90 mph may have been impressive in 1930 and may be perfectly serviceable even today but it's still below the standards of the market and by comparison is inaccurate.
Damn bcm is hot fricking garbage. That's psa tier accuracy. Larue is claiming sub moa but in reality that's with one match loading. Otherwise it's consistently 1 moa.
I'm not sure that's fair. 1-2 MOA with a pinned FSB and the basic b***h shitty plastic handguard is pretty damn good.
A 200 dollar psa upper can do that.
Maybe PSA ain't so bad after all, huh?
A 7mm rifle should put 5 bullets in one ragged hole at 100 yards.
Go see what those guys in ELR competitions are doing with 7mm platforms.
This is with my 6dasher at 1000 yards.
My best group in competition was .38 moa 5 shot string with a 6 5cm
If a rifle isn't moa or better I'm not interested.
Depends on the rifle. 4 MOA is literally good enough for government work. I forget what the Garand's acceptable accuracy was, it had a weird standard that equated to like 6.5 MOA. 1 MOA is actually very good accuracy despite people demanding it be the standard these days. Most people I've found can't shoot 1 MOA with irons. I'm a service rifle shooter so 3/4 MOA is perfectly acceptable match accuracy. PRS guys, benchrest guys, loud homosexuals on forums like snipershide who can't shoot anyway will probably demand 1/2 MOA or better.