Why fight when you can let the nips die due to their dogshit logistics, thirst, abbos stealing their petrol, car-sized spiders, boomerang ambushes and drop bears?
a distant cousin of the Koala. significantly larger than their brethren and far more carnivorous, these horrid beasts lye in wait high on tree trunks. when a potential meals walks by, the creature drops on it, killing it with it's weight. They have been known to kill and eat humans frequently.
>killing it with it's weight
it's the claws that get you, that's why you wear a motorcycle helmet while walking about in the outback if you have any sense.
Japs managed to starve entire armies into eating each other in some of the lushest parts of Asia and the Pacific. If nips went to northern Australia you wait a month then dispatch the Red Cross to assist the survivors.
2.4 million military deaths for the japs in the war, of which 1.4 million were not battlefield deaths. They were absolutely fucking incapable of keeping their people well fed, well equipped and properly cared for in some of the most unpleasant environments ever fought in: >202k losses out of 350k in the Papua New Guinea campaign due to starvation and disease >Operation U-go: rmao let's zerg rush northern India with zero logistics and leave a literal trail of dead behind us as we retreat. >Burma campaign: same story, over 50% of losses due to malnutrition and illness >half a hundred island garrisons: we've been cut off, let's start eating the indigs/POW's/junior ranks
To think these fuckers whine about buckets of sunshine getting poured on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Jesus Christ I thought the soviets ware record holders in that regard, but they seem to be like nanny state army compared to that.
And to think Japanese military was seen as tidy orderly and Prussia tier organized
1 month ago
Anonymous
As bad as they had it a Soviet grunt had fur hat, padded jacket and valenki boots in winter, a somewhat decent chance of a full belly even if it was just buckwheat mush out of the field kitchen, and a field hospital system that was no word of a lie better than what his grandson would get in Afghan 40 years later thanks to Lend-lease. Japs on the other hand had certain postings they regarded as tropical paradises but for places like PNG they assumed they weren't coming back from the green hell, and most were proved correct.
>To think these fuckers whine about buckets of sunshine getting poured on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
The world would be better if Japan won
That's objective fact
1 month ago
Anonymous
The weak are meat and the strong eat. Cope, brownskin.
1 month ago
Anonymous
The world would be better had Japan fought the soviets rather than dicked around in China. >Two front war would have substantially weakened the ussr >Kuomintang would be free to unify China and deal with Mao. >lack of Chinese support results in a unified Korea.
1 month ago
Anonymous
And Tokyo would be objectively less flammable if it wasn't made out of paper and wood, but here we are.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Meant for
>To think these fuckers whine about buckets of sunshine getting poured on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
The world would be better if Japan won
That's objective fact
1 month ago
Anonymous
I lived in China for years and I've thought a whole lot about what would have happened if CKS won the civil war (somehow) or if Mao couldn't push the KMT out to Taiwan or if the west could have intervened harder to tip the scales...
I think it's really a toss up whether CKS would have been better or worse for the Chinese people than Mao, whether he'd even have killed less people.
White terror killed plenty of people in Taiwan anyway and that's a much smaller population with an area that is easily traversed and supports central rule, ruling China would mean franchising terror out to the provinces in the hands of rural governors which the KMT would have made feudal lords with secret police, death squads and shoot-to-kill riot police for protests.
The KMT were already robber baron warlords intent on squeezing wealth out of the population, it would have been a thoroughly corrupt and brutal oligarchy not unlike contemporary Russia.
Mao killed a lot of people in purges and waves of oppression and incompetence induced famine.
The KMT would have caused famines the way the British did in Ireland, by seizing the food and leaving peasants to starve.
Would have massacred protestors across the length of the country.
Their purges would be secret police grabbing people from their home much like Stalin did (this more or less happened in Taiwan) or just shooting up families because of something someone said (also happened in Taiwan).
I don't think China had a good outcome and it's hard to say that modern China is any worse than it would be under KMT and is arguably better, at least for the Chinese people. On a global level, I'm not sure that a KMT ruled China would be any friendlier to the west either, they'd just be a fascist dictatorship rather than a communist one.
Taiwan only went Democratic because of western pressure and they needed western backing against the PRC, without that need, they'd probably not be Democratic now but still happily junta'ing.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>The KMT would have caused famines the way the British did in Ireland, by seizing the food and leaving peasants to starve.
Yes but again we see the difference with Communism: >KMT-run China: you starve in proportion to how much you have pissed off the authorities >CCP-run China: everybody starves equally
1 month ago
Anonymous
>CCP-run China: everybody starves equally
Not at all, the urban population didn't starve, the peasants starved because (simplifying a complex issue...) Mao ordered approved "Modern" and "Scientific" and "Communist" agricultural techniques to be used instead of primitive local traditions. The local officials ordered this done and enforced it with the usual village party committees and loyalty tests.
Surprise, they didn't work very well. Not an absolute failure because putting seeds into fertile sound can only be fucked up so much and the peasants know how to grow a crop even if you're handicapping them with bullshit one-size-fits-all pseudo-science that isn't going to work very well.
The party officials can't report that the techniques didn't work though, they're party approved and the officials would be accused of not implementing them or worse, sabotaging them. So they report inflated crop yields.
Central administration says "oh boy, a bumper crop, send us double last year's supply".
The local officials enforce this, confiscating crops from local supplies and leaving fuck all to eat. Even seizing crops from places outside their jurisdiction to meet the quota.
This is quite a lot like the Irish famine with village party officials in place of British landlords seizing the crops and creating a famine where there was actually always enough to eat.
The cities get their food surplus though, these new agricultural policies must be really good to provide such great yields. Let's go harder on them and really get things moving!
Repeat until the peasants are all running away from their farms because they're starving and they migrate to anywhere they've heard there is food, just shoving children onto trains with their name and origin pinned to them.
...
1 month ago
Anonymous
...
(Inner) Mongolians had a pretty good deal with the Communists because their support was needed at a critical time and they basically saved Mao after the long march so they weren't affected by all this nonsense, they were also nomads not farmers
So Mongolians were turning up at train stations and adopting a dozen Han children right off the train and raising them in the grass lands and villages they lived in, I never really learnt the details when I was there but this kind of adoption fits into Mongolian culture somehow, they have this blood brother tradition. Most of these children never really went home and settled in the new place as adults, just returning to visit their parents when things were better.
So in China, people don't starve equally, only the peasants starved and only in places where they were forced into farming cooperatives. Some were beneath the radar because their village was too small or too isolated and many ethnic minorities that had constitutional semi-autonomous agreements weren't part of the system at all.
The bourgeois city folk were fine during all this, mostly ignorant of it for a long time. They did less of the adoption though because migrating from rural to city was verboten under Imperial Rule and Communists maintained a version of the rule.
1 month ago
Anonymous
The lesson is if you're going to do a revolution that completely replaces the old economic system, never ever fuck with the farms
1 month ago
Anonymous
well not completely, fuck with them conservatively
stuff like the introduction of the potato to the European continent was a game changer in world history. But it was done bit by bit by all the countries that pushed the introduction like the prussians.
and later on you had the introduction of the sugar beet and that gave Europe whole other helping of calories
1 month ago
Anonymous
Your mistake is so obvious that it’s almost comical.
Despite living in China, you simply can’t let go of your parochialism in judging the Chinese by our Western terms.
This is wrong and frankly, ridiculous.
They exist in their own subjective reality. Your yammering terms of “democracy” and “freedoms” and “human rights” makes about as much sense to a Chinaman as a Kamala Harris speech does to…well…EVERYBODY.
To support the establishment of a hostile corrupt Marxist military dictatorship because the alternative which would more likely be friendly to the West would also be corrupt shows you to be an utter tool of the JooMoralists.
They’ve fucked your mind, amigo.
Send them back their Facebook Karen “Morality” with instructions to shove it up their own asses sideways.
At this level of play, morality is a distraction. There are shared interests and advantages…nothing else.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Your mistake is so obvious that it’s almost comical.
What is it you think I wrote?
1 month ago
Anonymous
You were ruminating on the moral relevance of an imaginary KMT victory instead of the Maoist one we got in our timeline.
I’ve read up on that era from the perspective of the Marxist infiltration of the US Deep State…largely by TrotskyiteJoos, and their agents of influence that “poison pilled” the KMT, causing Washington to betray Chiang and hand China over to Mao.
Living in China as you claimed, you must have realized that accusing a Chinese politician of “corruption”, (which was one of the charges against Chiang in the Red Rag “AmerAsia”, and what was highlighted in communiques to the State Department by Marxist Rat Stooge agent US diplomats), is absurd.
It’s like faulting a fish for being WET for fuck’s sake.
The argument also that the KMT was ALSO “brutal”, in the face of what Mao and his successors ACTUALLY did, is almost offensive in its implied attempt to establish some kind of moral equivalence between the CCP and the KMT.
Yes, the KMT put a few thousand people against a wall and wasn’t shy about cracking some skulls…but versus Mao?
And it’s not like China had a sterling record on “human rights” going back…oh, I dunno…3000 years.
What set me off was seeing these old and threadbare “concerns” about the KMT being regurgitated.
Consider from an American perspective the last half of the 20th century had we had even a non-aligned power, let alone a friendly one, in Peking rather than the Maoists.
No Korea…no Viet Nam. The USSR unable to exercise AS freely in Europe and Africa and the Western Hemisphere thanks to the Chinese hordes on its doorstep across central and eastern Asia.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Yes, the KMT put a few thousand people against a wall and wasn’t shy about cracking some skulls…but versus Mao?
They did this in Taiwan when they were just trying to suppress opposition and maintain power.
To rule all of China this way, they'd have had to be much worse and repeat the Taiwanese experience all over the country because they sure weren't going to permit either opposition or genuine democracy there.
Don't forget that there were presidential elections in China under KMT but it was pretty much only KMT candidates allowed to run. China would still be a one party state and that means they'd have to do similar things to the Communists to maintain it and they were actually worse than Communists already.
1 month ago
Anonymous
The two nukes were needed to invent anime and for studio Ghibli, due to deeply influencing Miyazaki and a few other big names.
A third one would have even removed the future prospects of low tier isekai garbage.
By that logic, Japan's southern towns should have all been introduced of a new meaning to the land of the rising sun.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Damn I wish that they had won >the world would have been a better place if the Nazis won >DUDE WE WOULDN'T HAVE GOT MARVEL AND RICK AND MORTY
1 month ago
Anonymous
What would a fourth nuke have done?
1 month ago
Anonymous
Flattened Tokyo, most likely. The third would've flattened Kyoto, Japan's historical/cultural center.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Dropping the nuke was what inspired every anime to include characters randomly having super incredible ultimate moves, though.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Describe how.
1 month ago
Anonymous
If you've ever been to Japan you'd understand
They should rule the world
1 month ago
Anonymous
Japan was not good to its colonies as a general rule.
An awful lot of arbitrary execution of civilians and governing authorities taking whatever they wanted, goods, money, girls...
1 month ago
Anonymous
>If you've ever been to Japan you'd understand >They should rule the world
1 month ago
Anonymous
lol >the nation that has yet to unfuck its economy from its collapse 40 fucking years ago >the nation that doesn't even work hard, just pretends to work hard for face reasons >the nation that because of overwork has completely forgotten how to have children >the nation that still believes Nippon strong and the rest of the world are pigmen further accelerating their impending cultural collapse
uh huh yea I'm sure we'd all be so much better off with a Japanese boot on our necks working 120 hours a week for 20 hours' worth of labor
1 month ago
Anonymous.
>>the nation that doesn't even work hard, just pretends to work hard for face reasons >>the nation that because of overwork has completely forgotten how to have children
Anon not to get involved in this, but if you must jest, try to post the contradicting statements separately.
If you've ever been to Japan you'd understand
They should rule the world
This anon does have a point though. Japan has, in its autism, flatly got a lot of modern culture and lifestyle shit together that the rest of the world just doesn't have. Some are big things, like a universal etiquette and proper balance of formal and informal, that's used consistently, not just when needed, while others are just little ergonomic gimmicks that make life that much easier. You could live quite comfortably in Tokyo, without ever going above ground or speaking Japanese.
I mean, it's got some hefty flaws and downsides, but imo we could all learn a little from a quick holiday to mighty Nippon.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>little ergonomic gimmicks that make life that much easier
My wife lived in Japan for a while and to this day, Japanese products because you can easily open them and their stickers peel off without leaving residue.
Like cans never have the ring pulls snap off, plastic bags tear open on the indicated line perfectly every time, you buy a Japanese coffee mug and you can peel the sticker off and not spend 10 minutes removing the glue left behind.
It pisses her off that our local products don't work this way.
1 month ago
Anonymous
> 10 minutes removing the glue left behind
nail polish remover does the trick, just soak a bit in one of those cotton pad things that women use to take their makeup off and give it a rub, comes right off and doesn't damage the product. Use it to remove labels and price stickers from books all the time
1 month ago
Anonymous
Acetate will damage some surfaces and finishes, it depends what you're removing the glue from.
Vegetable oil works for some glues and sometimes the sticker itself will pick up the glue but regardless, you're spending 10 minutes fucking around to fix this when Japanese companies just buy stickers that don't do it in the first place.
Every Japanese consumer who buys a tea set literally has 10 more minutes of life where they're not fucking around with this shit.
That's not me talking, that's my wife's voice in my head because I've heard this so many times from her. It's probably up to several hours of her life she's spent on this stuff that she totally resents because she knows she wouldn't have to in Japan.
1 month ago
Anonymous
just saying what I have found to work
I couldn't imagine why you'd wait for shit to arrive from japan or limit your self to just japanese brands over a stick.
But you do you.
mind you all my undies, socks and t-shirts are from uniqlo
1 month ago
Anonymous
>I couldn't imagine why you'd wait for shit to arrive from japan or limit your self to just japanese brands over a stick.
She doesn't, it just pisses her off every time she has to remove a sticker and then I get to hear her seethe about it.
We do order some stuff from Japanese amazon though and a few things directly from Japanese stores.
>mind you all my undies, socks and t-shirts are from uniqlo
I have a few things from them too but funnily enough, she tells me Uniqlo is a shit brand in Japan, it's the cheapest trash clothing you can get.
Here it's considered high quality imports.
1 month ago
Anonymous
well it is cheap carp clothing
that's why I just get my inner layers there
I wouldn't be seen dead with one of their shirts, pants or even worse "vests"
1 month ago
Anonymous
The only reason they're the way they are now and not a retarded shogunate punching itself in the dick is because they lost the war and got reconstructed by the west.
Mind you, this was the norm for most wars in human history. Rates were usually even MORE in favor of starvation and disease.
WW2, for the industrial powers, is the FIRST major war in human history (that we know of) where combat losses were higher than attrition losses. And a big reason to that is lessons learned from WW1 (and the US Civil War) which Japan obviously didn't do.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Also: antibiotics, blood transfusions and fucking washing one's hands.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Also: antibiotics
Those didn't become widespread until after WW2.
During WW2, they were still recovering penicillin from patients' urine to reuse in the next guy. That's how scarce it was.
>some of the lushest parts of Asia and the Pacific
You would be surprised how hard it can be to find something edible in the jungle when you don't know the plants around you.
Abbos would genuinely be a nightmare for any invading army. >steal all the alcohol, fuel and solvent >"bandai hirohito mate. Can I borrow a durry?" >morale collapses when Tojo organises Australian comfort women
there is a fuck ton of natural resources. but as far as actual living yeah their is really nothing there. unless they do the ultimate canal through and somehow irrigate their desert
that would be correct, but this is WW2 japan we are talking about, a state ran mostly by a insane military ruling class that psuedo-kidnapped the emperor and thought that they could manually murder everyone in China if America didnt cut off the oil supply. they would have seen Australia as just a large coal supply.
>really nothing there
there is and was absolutely fuckloads north of Brisbane. Farmland, cattle, water, deep water ports, cities, railways, roads. retard take
>there is a fuck ton of natural resources. but as far as actual living yeah their is really nothing there. unless they do the ultimate canal through and somehow irrigate their desert
that would be correct, but this is WW2 japan we are talking about, a state ran mostly by a insane military ruling class that psuedo-kidnapped the emperor and thought that they could manually murder everyone in China if America didnt cut off the oil supply. they would have seen Australia as just a large coal supply.
>they would have seen Australia as just a large coal supply.
Nah, Australia's resource boom is a relatively recent development. At the time of the war mining was <5% of the Australian economy and most of that was from the South East. Many of the big coal, iron ore and other mineral deposits weren't even discovered before the 1950s.
Australia's economy back then was still built on agriculture - wheat, wool and cattle. And of course not much happening in the tropics.
Seems to have been proposed in 1942, when the US was in the war. Japan was stretching under shit logistics and the US was ramping up its naval building and commitments in the Pacific. Retreating to protect core population centers and giving the Japanese relatively useless land with no resources worth extracting, at the expense of causing Japanese troops to be forced to fight partisans or spend time occupying their new territories, and try to conduct offensive operations against a more fortified sector (since if they march through the Outback, they'll suffer even more).
Northern Australia is also more humid, has dry seasons which is basically a psuedo-drought, and wet seasons of monsoons and floods. The Japs would be fucking miserable there, and dying from the elements.
Plan seems alright to me. It's the Oz version of Russia's plan to bait Napoleon deeper into their territory to stretch supply lines and let nature do its work on the Japs. The Yanks will bail the Aussies out in a year or two anyways.
>as soon as they land surrender half the continent to them
Do you have any idea what kind of place Australia has?
The land would kill more of them than the Australian army ever could.
The top third and eastern third of that Japanese coloured land is lethal to the untrained, snakes and alligators will take them at every second step.
It's literally where America and Australia send troops to train in Jungle warfare and people die on that course.
After the rain forest and jungle, they hit the desert. That will kill more of them.
>It's the Oz version of Russia's plan to bait Napoleon deeper into their territory to stretch supply lines and let nature do its work on the Japs
This.
I've seen a defence white paper that may or may not have been adopted that still recommends something similar to this if Indonesia invades and manages a beachhead.
The idea is to have small scout units that use raiding tactics with hidden caches and concealed outposts while the main army retreats and the RAAF just makes life hard for the invaders. It argued that this would ensure that the invading infantry heavy army would end up either surrendering, retreating or dissolving.
>The land would kill more of them than the Australian army ever could. >The top third and eastern third of that Japanese coloured land is lethal to the untrained, snakes and alligators will take them at every second step.
you watch too much steve irwin, mongo
If you went bush you'd realise they fucking come right up to you because they haven't seen that many humans.
Also Cassowarys don't back down ever if they feel threatened.
That white paper is fully aware that Indonesia would be well aware of the need to take the road from Darwin to Alice.
That White paper would be well aware Indonesia would never ever invade based on that alone. Imagine the feeling of trying to take that road as an invading force, driving as fast as you can as the horizon slowly turns completely flat as far as the eye can see, and the thermostat rapidly approaches 50°c and *you are definitely being watched* but who can tell movement the way the heat is distorting everything? After the first soldier burns several layers of skin off their arms by leaning on the car no one wants to leave the vehicles ever and you have thousands of km to travel to reach strategic objectives.
Strategically it was not useless. What isn’t horrifying mangrove swamps and ravenous jungle, loaded with crocodiles, is howling endless desert peopled by Aborigines who - if given firearms and logistics support by Aussie Glowies, could mount a long term insurgency. It wouldn’t be a very good one, but their ambushes in the bush would make the Viet Cong look like a game of peekaboo.
Meanwhile the Aussies can sit back in their cities and prime agricultural areas and shell the fuck out of the Japs.
Ehhh, audacious and peculiar, but certainly workable.
Bring Pajeet troops over to do the bullet-stopping, and a few of the lads from North Africa back to man the scads of Yankee tanks and teach the rest of the blokes about mechanized warfare in desert conditions.
The Nips always had shit for tanks. Even an M-3 Lee or Grant would rip them a new asshole.
And meanwhile the US gets it shipyards and naval aviation fired up and starts Island hopping its way down the Aleutians to the northern home islands and across the central Pacific to Taiwan to strangle Jap logistics even further.
They have their army in China, their occupation forces in the Phillipines, and a further 50k at the least in New Guinea. Maybe 100k in Oz?
That sure cuts down the amount of bodies they would need to defend their home islands.
We would need reliably working torpedoes for our subs, radio proximity fuses for our guns, and lots of planes and carriers.
Presuming the development and deployment of the B-29 timeline stayed the same, Nippon would have been firebombed into cinders by the end of 1944.
I just wish the USA hadn’t been so squeamish about using gas against Jap-held islands like Iwo and Tarawa..
The Japs weren’t signatories to the Geneva convention outlawing gas use, so it would have been a fine thing for them to sit in their caves and bunkers and huff our lethal farts.
Australia’s domestic army reached a peak size of 400k
Japan estimated that a invasion of Australia would require 12 divisions , which they didn’t have (china took up 28 for example)
Considering how cruel Australian soldiers are to their enemies, and how cheerfully they'll commit war crimes against their enemies while chuckling all the while, I can only imagine how unhinged civilian partisans would be. You'd come back to them feeding captive zips to ants.
Australian ants are well aware. I mean I don't seriously believe everyone else's ants don't swarm all over your clothes and wait until there's several hundred on you to release the "bite this cunt" chemical. Why would European ants not be any different
American fire ants will delay their attack a bit, too.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Yeah I have heard the comparison.
>Be 6. Bushwalk. "Go stand on that stump, that would make a good photo" >Jamb walking stick into stump, happily smile at camera >Thousands of ants gently climb into my clothes, aware of one or two, surprised at the feeling of them on my neck >It's an analog camera, Mum is fucking around. >The war council, who have convened just behind my testicals, decide to relay the order >Mum finally takes a photo at the exact moment I am suddenly a metre in the air and screaming.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Happened to my dad, too. He was born in Australia, immigrated to the US. One of his most traumatic memories from being a kid. I think he was sitting on a crate or a trash can or something, and he mentioned the way they get all over you before attacking, too. These fuckers deserve the zombie fungus.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Worst I ever as a kid had was going to a beach in the nude and having the local jellyfish wrap their tentacles around my testicles and cock. Wrapped around them so well running out the water hurt more as the jelly stayed in the water and pulled at my bits with the resistance the waves gave. Mum, being ever prepared, had vinegar with her. We now know that vinegar actually makes bites and stings much worse and the amplified pain of vinegar can send people into dangerous shock. Of course I had already had the experience with the ants so I had hardened up a little by 8 years old but fuck it hurt.
1 month ago
Anonymous
How did you end up with a jellyfish wrapped around your dick? Did she feel good?
1 month ago
Anonymous
Yeah I have heard the comparison.
>Be 6. Bushwalk. "Go stand on that stump, that would make a good photo" >Jamb walking stick into stump, happily smile at camera >Thousands of ants gently climb into my clothes, aware of one or two, surprised at the feeling of them on my neck >It's an analog camera, Mum is fucking around. >The war council, who have convened just behind my testicals, decide to relay the order >Mum finally takes a photo at the exact moment I am suddenly a metre in the air and screaming.
>brother moved to aussyland with his wife >just one year bro, just going because I like the outdoors and there is fuck all of it here >covid hits, works in the medical sector >just got his permanent residency >now talking about buying a house and getting kids
what other natural tortures will my future nieces and nephews be subject to
1 month ago
Anonymous
There are lethally venomous snakes any time you're near a water source, even in cities though you don't usually see them.
It's never advisable to run into long grass.
Mosquitoes in the north can carry various diseases and parasites.
Packs of wild pigs in the bush.
And of course, bogans.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>bogans
they are melbourne urbanites so their exposure to the mythical bogan is limited. Which is al the better because their infectious alcoholism combined with the shit beer would be most tragic
1 month ago
Anonymous
>they are melbourne urbanites so their exposure to the mythical bogan is limited
Then tell them to stay away from the wilds of Broadmedows.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Stonefish.
I trod on one in a rockpool on a beach back in 2004. It was worse than then I got biten by a brown snake.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Stonefish were my greatest fear as a child. Rocks that fucking stab you with poison specifically in a place covered in rocks you're going to be barefoot.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>as a child
Fuck, they're still high up on my list now. I absolutely refuse to step into rockpools if I am barefoot as if there is a landmine in there because of them.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>box jellyfish sting
gg go next
1 month ago
Anonymous
Probably none, considering they're most likely living in a coastal metropolis
>Considering how cruel Australian soldiers are to their enemies, and how cheerfully they'll commit war crimes against their enemies while chuckling all the while, I can only imagine how unhinged civilian partisans would be.
To be fair, the guys that join the army are those unhinged types. They're pretty much the biggest arsehole bogans in the country.
I had a right-wing mate who was an arsehole bogan and he joined the army and came out practically a left-wing liberal horrified by what he encountered in barracks.
>You'd come back to them feeding captive zips to ants.
That would probably end up happening all on its own, anyone that's made it through the crocs and snakes and sand will end up sitting on a bull ant nest in the bush.
I don't see an moral issues with feeding Chinese bugmen to ants
>Chinese
I think your WWII history has some gaps.
Well the problem is now you've given the ants a taste for human flesh.
>Well the problem is now you've given the ants a taste for human flesh.
They've got that already, I assure you.
Not at all. People die in the outback every year even today, the interior is basically impassible to a self-supporting invading force so they'd be forced to go around the coast which is a controllable chokepoint. Inversely, the Australians knew the land and could have supply bases all over the north that the japs would never find, waging a guerilla campaign with relative ease.
Too bad that moving a hundred kilometres from the like 2 roads and rail connections there would mean that your troops now all die to starvation and dehydration.
it is the pary of aussy land with fuck all to do, even more shit climate, full on monsoon and full on drought summers, almost no population or economy
a poison pill for anyone that wants to take it and frankly the aussies would be better of without it
>actual town named Townsville City >actual town named cairns, a pile of rocks >Says 'kys yourself'... so 'have a nice day yourself'?
Northern Australia is useless anyways. Better to let the Japs have it and wait for the Yanks.
This thread is intended to normalize the idea of abandoning half of Australia to the Chinese. The Chinese have already made a defense agreement with the Solomon Islands and are doing construction work on the ports in the Solomons.
You Aussies are truly fucked if you do not pull your head out of your ass.
Chinese money has corrupted most of the politicians in Washington DC so do not count on America coming to help.
>Chinese have already made a defense agreement with the Solomon Island
After signing once with Australia, and then signing one with New Zealand right after signing one with China. Then they signed a regional pacific deal with America while China's regional deal fell flat on its ass
>Russian money has corrupted most of the politicians in Washington DC so do not count on America coming to help.
lol endlessly amusing watching American enemies step on the same rakes over, and over, and over again yea anon I'm sure the totes corrupted political class will just roll on over and let China do whatever it wants, not just take their money then tell them to fuck off when the chips are down just like every other moment in US history
and Australia, no less, the US most-based ride-or-die military ally, just breathtakingly retarded take here
>Chinese money has corrupted most of the politicians in Washington DC so do not count on America coming to help.
Australia getting invaded would be heaps bigger than Ukraine. Imagine the support they got now triple it
I still can't get over that fact this entire idea was a myth invented post war. Is this Australia's holohoax?
Sorry my mistake the myth wasn't invented post war. But it was invented by a Labor politician to help Labor win re-election. It was never an actual proposal or plan.
it was literally just: >those guys wants to give half of Australia to the japs, vote for us instead!
Australia is an enigma to anyone outside of it. Listening to an Aussie talk about his country is like >Crikey I hate driving up to bamboogatown it's all figedywongers and they don't even pull in the vegemite limos.
Then get a history book. In 1940 even defending the Brisbane pararel line would have been an extravagance. The IJA was not going to push overland from Northern Australia, which is why in reality they never had any intention of landing in the first place.
If you pulled back and preserved your logistics, and blew everything up north, the Japs would have been fucked by diseases they didn't normally contend with, water sources they didn't know what to do with, weather systems they weren't used to, and every single animal and vegetable trying to kill them. After that, you have the partisan attacks.
>Sail along the coastline
Aside from the natural dangers of the coast which wrecked plenty of ships that didn't know what they were doing, Australia did fortify its coastline and some of these guns got fired in the odd war.
Japan did a raid on Sydney Harbour that ended very badly too though I assume they'd send more than some mini-subs if they were serious.
my grand parents where farmers in the West Australian wheat belt. They were given cans of strychnine to poison all the water supplies and a 303 in case of a Japanese invasion. All the country towns set up rifle clubs to practise shooting.
I'm from far north queensland, the list of dangerous plants and animals in that region is comically long. Good luck with that.
I don't see withdrawing as the worst plan, Australia has the luxury of being able to do that, let the Japanese wear themselves out advancing over a whole load of nothing. The logistics of supplying them from Japan would be crazy.
So far as I know a big part of the professional Australian army was in North Africa at the time.
Always have been
Why fight when you can let the nips die due to their dogshit logistics, thirst, abbos stealing their petrol, car-sized spiders, boomerang ambushes and drop bears?
What are drop bears?
Vicious little bastards
I wouldnt worry about it
Friendly buggers. Do greet them when you see them.
The quintessential Australian animal, too stupid to live and meme'd into being more dangerous than it actually is.
Koala?
also full of clamydia
That is right,the only really dangerous australian animals are box jellies and saltwater crocs,both of which aren't from that stupid island.
Mustn't forget the blue ring octopus.
gympie-gympie is also a bastard, nature's own landmine
Oh, and also stonefish. Seriously, fuck stonefish.
Wouldn't worry about it mate.
Little assholes
Like koalas but they eat flesh
It's a cryptid we made up to distract from the Mad Bushmen.
Non-vegetarian koalas, cobber.
Ngmi
a distant cousin of the Koala. significantly larger than their brethren and far more carnivorous, these horrid beasts lye in wait high on tree trunks. when a potential meals walks by, the creature drops on it, killing it with it's weight. They have been known to kill and eat humans frequently.
>killing it with it's weight
it's the claws that get you, that's why you wear a motorcycle helmet while walking about in the outback if you have any sense.
>half a continent for a few thousand troops
plenty of food and water for them there
Japs managed to starve entire armies into eating each other in some of the lushest parts of Asia and the Pacific. If nips went to northern Australia you wait a month then dispatch the Red Cross to assist the survivors.
examples please
2.4 million military deaths for the japs in the war, of which 1.4 million were not battlefield deaths. They were absolutely fucking incapable of keeping their people well fed, well equipped and properly cared for in some of the most unpleasant environments ever fought in:
>202k losses out of 350k in the Papua New Guinea campaign due to starvation and disease
>Operation U-go: rmao let's zerg rush northern India with zero logistics and leave a literal trail of dead behind us as we retreat.
>Burma campaign: same story, over 50% of losses due to malnutrition and illness
>half a hundred island garrisons: we've been cut off, let's start eating the indigs/POW's/junior ranks
To think these fuckers whine about buckets of sunshine getting poured on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Jesus Christ I thought the soviets ware record holders in that regard, but they seem to be like nanny state army compared to that.
And to think Japanese military was seen as tidy orderly and Prussia tier organized
As bad as they had it a Soviet grunt had fur hat, padded jacket and valenki boots in winter, a somewhat decent chance of a full belly even if it was just buckwheat mush out of the field kitchen, and a field hospital system that was no word of a lie better than what his grandson would get in Afghan 40 years later thanks to Lend-lease. Japs on the other hand had certain postings they regarded as tropical paradises but for places like PNG they assumed they weren't coming back from the green hell, and most were proved correct.
>To think these fuckers whine about buckets of sunshine getting poured on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
The world would be better if Japan won
That's objective fact
The weak are meat and the strong eat. Cope, brownskin.
The world would be better had Japan fought the soviets rather than dicked around in China.
>Two front war would have substantially weakened the ussr
>Kuomintang would be free to unify China and deal with Mao.
>lack of Chinese support results in a unified Korea.
And Tokyo would be objectively less flammable if it wasn't made out of paper and wood, but here we are.
Meant for
I lived in China for years and I've thought a whole lot about what would have happened if CKS won the civil war (somehow) or if Mao couldn't push the KMT out to Taiwan or if the west could have intervened harder to tip the scales...
I think it's really a toss up whether CKS would have been better or worse for the Chinese people than Mao, whether he'd even have killed less people.
White terror killed plenty of people in Taiwan anyway and that's a much smaller population with an area that is easily traversed and supports central rule, ruling China would mean franchising terror out to the provinces in the hands of rural governors which the KMT would have made feudal lords with secret police, death squads and shoot-to-kill riot police for protests.
The KMT were already robber baron warlords intent on squeezing wealth out of the population, it would have been a thoroughly corrupt and brutal oligarchy not unlike contemporary Russia.
Mao killed a lot of people in purges and waves of oppression and incompetence induced famine.
The KMT would have caused famines the way the British did in Ireland, by seizing the food and leaving peasants to starve.
Would have massacred protestors across the length of the country.
Their purges would be secret police grabbing people from their home much like Stalin did (this more or less happened in Taiwan) or just shooting up families because of something someone said (also happened in Taiwan).
I don't think China had a good outcome and it's hard to say that modern China is any worse than it would be under KMT and is arguably better, at least for the Chinese people. On a global level, I'm not sure that a KMT ruled China would be any friendlier to the west either, they'd just be a fascist dictatorship rather than a communist one.
Taiwan only went Democratic because of western pressure and they needed western backing against the PRC, without that need, they'd probably not be Democratic now but still happily junta'ing.
>The KMT would have caused famines the way the British did in Ireland, by seizing the food and leaving peasants to starve.
Yes but again we see the difference with Communism:
>KMT-run China: you starve in proportion to how much you have pissed off the authorities
>CCP-run China: everybody starves equally
>CCP-run China: everybody starves equally
Not at all, the urban population didn't starve, the peasants starved because (simplifying a complex issue...) Mao ordered approved "Modern" and "Scientific" and "Communist" agricultural techniques to be used instead of primitive local traditions. The local officials ordered this done and enforced it with the usual village party committees and loyalty tests.
Surprise, they didn't work very well. Not an absolute failure because putting seeds into fertile sound can only be fucked up so much and the peasants know how to grow a crop even if you're handicapping them with bullshit one-size-fits-all pseudo-science that isn't going to work very well.
The party officials can't report that the techniques didn't work though, they're party approved and the officials would be accused of not implementing them or worse, sabotaging them. So they report inflated crop yields.
Central administration says "oh boy, a bumper crop, send us double last year's supply".
The local officials enforce this, confiscating crops from local supplies and leaving fuck all to eat. Even seizing crops from places outside their jurisdiction to meet the quota.
This is quite a lot like the Irish famine with village party officials in place of British landlords seizing the crops and creating a famine where there was actually always enough to eat.
The cities get their food surplus though, these new agricultural policies must be really good to provide such great yields. Let's go harder on them and really get things moving!
Repeat until the peasants are all running away from their farms because they're starving and they migrate to anywhere they've heard there is food, just shoving children onto trains with their name and origin pinned to them.
...
...
(Inner) Mongolians had a pretty good deal with the Communists because their support was needed at a critical time and they basically saved Mao after the long march so they weren't affected by all this nonsense, they were also nomads not farmers
So Mongolians were turning up at train stations and adopting a dozen Han children right off the train and raising them in the grass lands and villages they lived in, I never really learnt the details when I was there but this kind of adoption fits into Mongolian culture somehow, they have this blood brother tradition. Most of these children never really went home and settled in the new place as adults, just returning to visit their parents when things were better.
So in China, people don't starve equally, only the peasants starved and only in places where they were forced into farming cooperatives. Some were beneath the radar because their village was too small or too isolated and many ethnic minorities that had constitutional semi-autonomous agreements weren't part of the system at all.
The bourgeois city folk were fine during all this, mostly ignorant of it for a long time. They did less of the adoption though because migrating from rural to city was verboten under Imperial Rule and Communists maintained a version of the rule.
The lesson is if you're going to do a revolution that completely replaces the old economic system, never ever fuck with the farms
well not completely, fuck with them conservatively
stuff like the introduction of the potato to the European continent was a game changer in world history. But it was done bit by bit by all the countries that pushed the introduction like the prussians.
and later on you had the introduction of the sugar beet and that gave Europe whole other helping of calories
Your mistake is so obvious that it’s almost comical.
Despite living in China, you simply can’t let go of your parochialism in judging the Chinese by our Western terms.
This is wrong and frankly, ridiculous.
They exist in their own subjective reality. Your yammering terms of “democracy” and “freedoms” and “human rights” makes about as much sense to a Chinaman as a Kamala Harris speech does to…well…EVERYBODY.
To support the establishment of a hostile corrupt Marxist military dictatorship because the alternative which would more likely be friendly to the West would also be corrupt shows you to be an utter tool of the JooMoralists.
They’ve fucked your mind, amigo.
Send them back their Facebook Karen “Morality” with instructions to shove it up their own asses sideways.
At this level of play, morality is a distraction. There are shared interests and advantages…nothing else.
>Your mistake is so obvious that it’s almost comical.
What is it you think I wrote?
You were ruminating on the moral relevance of an imaginary KMT victory instead of the Maoist one we got in our timeline.
I’ve read up on that era from the perspective of the Marxist infiltration of the US Deep State…largely by TrotskyiteJoos, and their agents of influence that “poison pilled” the KMT, causing Washington to betray Chiang and hand China over to Mao.
Living in China as you claimed, you must have realized that accusing a Chinese politician of “corruption”, (which was one of the charges against Chiang in the Red Rag “AmerAsia”, and what was highlighted in communiques to the State Department by Marxist Rat Stooge agent US diplomats), is absurd.
It’s like faulting a fish for being WET for fuck’s sake.
The argument also that the KMT was ALSO “brutal”, in the face of what Mao and his successors ACTUALLY did, is almost offensive in its implied attempt to establish some kind of moral equivalence between the CCP and the KMT.
Yes, the KMT put a few thousand people against a wall and wasn’t shy about cracking some skulls…but versus Mao?
And it’s not like China had a sterling record on “human rights” going back…oh, I dunno…3000 years.
What set me off was seeing these old and threadbare “concerns” about the KMT being regurgitated.
Consider from an American perspective the last half of the 20th century had we had even a non-aligned power, let alone a friendly one, in Peking rather than the Maoists.
No Korea…no Viet Nam. The USSR unable to exercise AS freely in Europe and Africa and the Western Hemisphere thanks to the Chinese hordes on its doorstep across central and eastern Asia.
>Yes, the KMT put a few thousand people against a wall and wasn’t shy about cracking some skulls…but versus Mao?
They did this in Taiwan when they were just trying to suppress opposition and maintain power.
To rule all of China this way, they'd have had to be much worse and repeat the Taiwanese experience all over the country because they sure weren't going to permit either opposition or genuine democracy there.
Don't forget that there were presidential elections in China under KMT but it was pretty much only KMT candidates allowed to run. China would still be a one party state and that means they'd have to do similar things to the Communists to maintain it and they were actually worse than Communists already.
The two nukes were needed to invent anime and for studio Ghibli, due to deeply influencing Miyazaki and a few other big names.
A third one would have even removed the future prospects of low tier isekai garbage.
By that logic, Japan's southern towns should have all been introduced of a new meaning to the land of the rising sun.
Damn I wish that they had won
>the world would have been a better place if the Nazis won
>DUDE WE WOULDN'T HAVE GOT MARVEL AND RICK AND MORTY
What would a fourth nuke have done?
Flattened Tokyo, most likely. The third would've flattened Kyoto, Japan's historical/cultural center.
Dropping the nuke was what inspired every anime to include characters randomly having super incredible ultimate moves, though.
Describe how.
If you've ever been to Japan you'd understand
They should rule the world
Japan was not good to its colonies as a general rule.
An awful lot of arbitrary execution of civilians and governing authorities taking whatever they wanted, goods, money, girls...
>If you've ever been to Japan you'd understand
>They should rule the world
lol
>the nation that has yet to unfuck its economy from its collapse 40 fucking years ago
>the nation that doesn't even work hard, just pretends to work hard for face reasons
>the nation that because of overwork has completely forgotten how to have children
>the nation that still believes Nippon strong and the rest of the world are pigmen further accelerating their impending cultural collapse
uh huh yea I'm sure we'd all be so much better off with a Japanese boot on our necks working 120 hours a week for 20 hours' worth of labor
>>the nation that doesn't even work hard, just pretends to work hard for face reasons
>>the nation that because of overwork has completely forgotten how to have children
Anon not to get involved in this, but if you must jest, try to post the contradicting statements separately.
This anon does have a point though. Japan has, in its autism, flatly got a lot of modern culture and lifestyle shit together that the rest of the world just doesn't have. Some are big things, like a universal etiquette and proper balance of formal and informal, that's used consistently, not just when needed, while others are just little ergonomic gimmicks that make life that much easier. You could live quite comfortably in Tokyo, without ever going above ground or speaking Japanese.
I mean, it's got some hefty flaws and downsides, but imo we could all learn a little from a quick holiday to mighty Nippon.
>little ergonomic gimmicks that make life that much easier
My wife lived in Japan for a while and to this day, Japanese products because you can easily open them and their stickers peel off without leaving residue.
Like cans never have the ring pulls snap off, plastic bags tear open on the indicated line perfectly every time, you buy a Japanese coffee mug and you can peel the sticker off and not spend 10 minutes removing the glue left behind.
It pisses her off that our local products don't work this way.
> 10 minutes removing the glue left behind
nail polish remover does the trick, just soak a bit in one of those cotton pad things that women use to take their makeup off and give it a rub, comes right off and doesn't damage the product. Use it to remove labels and price stickers from books all the time
Acetate will damage some surfaces and finishes, it depends what you're removing the glue from.
Vegetable oil works for some glues and sometimes the sticker itself will pick up the glue but regardless, you're spending 10 minutes fucking around to fix this when Japanese companies just buy stickers that don't do it in the first place.
Every Japanese consumer who buys a tea set literally has 10 more minutes of life where they're not fucking around with this shit.
That's not me talking, that's my wife's voice in my head because I've heard this so many times from her. It's probably up to several hours of her life she's spent on this stuff that she totally resents because she knows she wouldn't have to in Japan.
just saying what I have found to work
I couldn't imagine why you'd wait for shit to arrive from japan or limit your self to just japanese brands over a stick.
But you do you.
mind you all my undies, socks and t-shirts are from uniqlo
>I couldn't imagine why you'd wait for shit to arrive from japan or limit your self to just japanese brands over a stick.
She doesn't, it just pisses her off every time she has to remove a sticker and then I get to hear her seethe about it.
We do order some stuff from Japanese amazon though and a few things directly from Japanese stores.
>mind you all my undies, socks and t-shirts are from uniqlo
I have a few things from them too but funnily enough, she tells me Uniqlo is a shit brand in Japan, it's the cheapest trash clothing you can get.
Here it's considered high quality imports.
well it is cheap carp clothing
that's why I just get my inner layers there
I wouldn't be seen dead with one of their shirts, pants or even worse "vests"
The only reason they're the way they are now and not a retarded shogunate punching itself in the dick is because they lost the war and got reconstructed by the west.
It's not like modern US military is any better
Instead of starving they overfeed their soldiers and make them 600lbs
Hands that scoop rice and curry out of a communal bowl typed this post
Mind you, this was the norm for most wars in human history. Rates were usually even MORE in favor of starvation and disease.
WW2, for the industrial powers, is the FIRST major war in human history (that we know of) where combat losses were higher than attrition losses. And a big reason to that is lessons learned from WW1 (and the US Civil War) which Japan obviously didn't do.
Also: antibiotics, blood transfusions and fucking washing one's hands.
>Also: antibiotics
Those didn't become widespread until after WW2.
During WW2, they were still recovering penicillin from patients' urine to reuse in the next guy. That's how scarce it was.
>some of the lushest parts of Asia and the Pacific
You would be surprised how hard it can be to find something edible in the jungle when you don't know the plants around you.
Now imagine japs trying to do that over twice the distance in an even more inhospitable environment.
Abbos would genuinely be a nightmare for any invading army.
>steal all the alcohol, fuel and solvent
>"bandai hirohito mate. Can I borrow a durry?"
>morale collapses when Tojo organises Australian comfort women
abbos will also steal copper and used to steal electrical insulators from power poles to use the glass for knapping
>to use the glass for knapping
give an abo electricity and he brakes it to get back to the stone age
they really are a bunch of ooga boogas living in an age so utterly unsuited for them. i feel bad for those dudes.
australian clay is like 95% nothing anyway
there's basically nothing in Australia except for their southeast,south,southwest coasts.
there is a fuck ton of natural resources. but as far as actual living yeah their is really nothing there. unless they do the ultimate canal through and somehow irrigate their desert
fair, but during war, at least in the short-term, you care about strategic locations and civilian centers.
that would be correct, but this is WW2 japan we are talking about, a state ran mostly by a insane military ruling class that psuedo-kidnapped the emperor and thought that they could manually murder everyone in China if America didnt cut off the oil supply. they would have seen Australia as just a large coal supply.
The actual location of that coal might have caused them to worry a bit.
>really nothing there
there is and was absolutely fuckloads north of Brisbane. Farmland, cattle, water, deep water ports, cities, railways, roads. retard take
>there is a fuck ton of natural resources. but as far as actual living yeah their is really nothing there. unless they do the ultimate canal through and somehow irrigate their desert
>they would have seen Australia as just a large coal supply.
Nah, Australia's resource boom is a relatively recent development. At the time of the war mining was <5% of the Australian economy and most of that was from the South East. Many of the big coal, iron ore and other mineral deposits weren't even discovered before the 1950s.
Australia's economy back then was still built on agriculture - wheat, wool and cattle. And of course not much happening in the tropics.
Seems to have been proposed in 1942, when the US was in the war. Japan was stretching under shit logistics and the US was ramping up its naval building and commitments in the Pacific. Retreating to protect core population centers and giving the Japanese relatively useless land with no resources worth extracting, at the expense of causing Japanese troops to be forced to fight partisans or spend time occupying their new territories, and try to conduct offensive operations against a more fortified sector (since if they march through the Outback, they'll suffer even more).
Northern Australia is also more humid, has dry seasons which is basically a psuedo-drought, and wet seasons of monsoons and floods. The Japs would be fucking miserable there, and dying from the elements.
Plan seems alright to me. It's the Oz version of Russia's plan to bait Napoleon deeper into their territory to stretch supply lines and let nature do its work on the Japs. The Yanks will bail the Aussies out in a year or two anyways.
>as soon as they land surrender half the continent to them
Do you have any idea what kind of place Australia has?
The land would kill more of them than the Australian army ever could.
The top third and eastern third of that Japanese coloured land is lethal to the untrained, snakes and alligators will take them at every second step.
It's literally where America and Australia send troops to train in Jungle warfare and people die on that course.
After the rain forest and jungle, they hit the desert. That will kill more of them.
>It's the Oz version of Russia's plan to bait Napoleon deeper into their territory to stretch supply lines and let nature do its work on the Japs
This.
I've seen a defence white paper that may or may not have been adopted that still recommends something similar to this if Indonesia invades and manages a beachhead.
The idea is to have small scout units that use raiding tactics with hidden caches and concealed outposts while the main army retreats and the RAAF just makes life hard for the invaders. It argued that this would ensure that the invading infantry heavy army would end up either surrendering, retreating or dissolving.
>The land would kill more of them than the Australian army ever could.
>The top third and eastern third of that Japanese coloured land is lethal to the untrained, snakes and alligators will take them at every second step.
you watch too much steve irwin, mongo
If you watched Steve Irwin you'd know those animals are largely harmless and go out of their way to avoid being near humans
If you went bush you'd realise they fucking come right up to you because they haven't seen that many humans.
Also Cassowarys don't back down ever if they feel threatened.
>a defence white paper
Sure thing.
anon, any analyst with a job can write a whitepaper, it's not that big a deal.
There are no Alligators in Australia.
Only crocodiles.
That white paper is fully aware that Indonesia would be well aware of the need to take the road from Darwin to Alice.
That White paper would be well aware Indonesia would never ever invade based on that alone. Imagine the feeling of trying to take that road as an invading force, driving as fast as you can as the horizon slowly turns completely flat as far as the eye can see, and the thermostat rapidly approaches 50°c and *you are definitely being watched* but who can tell movement the way the heat is distorting everything? After the first soldier burns several layers of skin off their arms by leaning on the car no one wants to leave the vehicles ever and you have thousands of km to travel to reach strategic objectives.
>relatively useless land
Strategically it was not useless. What isn’t horrifying mangrove swamps and ravenous jungle, loaded with crocodiles, is howling endless desert peopled by Aborigines who - if given firearms and logistics support by Aussie Glowies, could mount a long term insurgency. It wouldn’t be a very good one, but their ambushes in the bush would make the Viet Cong look like a game of peekaboo.
Meanwhile the Aussies can sit back in their cities and prime agricultural areas and shell the fuck out of the Japs.
Ehhh, audacious and peculiar, but certainly workable.
Bring Pajeet troops over to do the bullet-stopping, and a few of the lads from North Africa back to man the scads of Yankee tanks and teach the rest of the blokes about mechanized warfare in desert conditions.
The Nips always had shit for tanks. Even an M-3 Lee or Grant would rip them a new asshole.
And meanwhile the US gets it shipyards and naval aviation fired up and starts Island hopping its way down the Aleutians to the northern home islands and across the central Pacific to Taiwan to strangle Jap logistics even further.
They have their army in China, their occupation forces in the Phillipines, and a further 50k at the least in New Guinea. Maybe 100k in Oz?
That sure cuts down the amount of bodies they would need to defend their home islands.
We would need reliably working torpedoes for our subs, radio proximity fuses for our guns, and lots of planes and carriers.
Presuming the development and deployment of the B-29 timeline stayed the same, Nippon would have been firebombed into cinders by the end of 1944.
I just wish the USA hadn’t been so squeamish about using gas against Jap-held islands like Iwo and Tarawa..
The Japs weren’t signatories to the Geneva convention outlawing gas use, so it would have been a fine thing for them to sit in their caves and bunkers and huff our lethal farts.
Also…napalm.
Australia’s domestic army reached a peak size of 400k
Japan estimated that a invasion of Australia would require 12 divisions , which they didn’t have (china took up 28 for example)
Considering how cruel Australian soldiers are to their enemies, and how cheerfully they'll commit war crimes against their enemies while chuckling all the while, I can only imagine how unhinged civilian partisans would be. You'd come back to them feeding captive zips to ants.
I don't see an moral issues with feeding Chinese bugmen to ants
Well the problem is now you've given the ants a taste for human flesh.
Australian ants are well aware. I mean I don't seriously believe everyone else's ants don't swarm all over your clothes and wait until there's several hundred on you to release the "bite this cunt" chemical. Why would European ants not be any different
American fire ants will delay their attack a bit, too.
Yeah I have heard the comparison.
>Be 6. Bushwalk. "Go stand on that stump, that would make a good photo"
>Jamb walking stick into stump, happily smile at camera
>Thousands of ants gently climb into my clothes, aware of one or two, surprised at the feeling of them on my neck
>It's an analog camera, Mum is fucking around.
>The war council, who have convened just behind my testicals, decide to relay the order
>Mum finally takes a photo at the exact moment I am suddenly a metre in the air and screaming.
Happened to my dad, too. He was born in Australia, immigrated to the US. One of his most traumatic memories from being a kid. I think he was sitting on a crate or a trash can or something, and he mentioned the way they get all over you before attacking, too. These fuckers deserve the zombie fungus.
Worst I ever as a kid had was going to a beach in the nude and having the local jellyfish wrap their tentacles around my testicles and cock. Wrapped around them so well running out the water hurt more as the jelly stayed in the water and pulled at my bits with the resistance the waves gave. Mum, being ever prepared, had vinegar with her. We now know that vinegar actually makes bites and stings much worse and the amplified pain of vinegar can send people into dangerous shock. Of course I had already had the experience with the ants so I had hardened up a little by 8 years old but fuck it hurt.
How did you end up with a jellyfish wrapped around your dick? Did she feel good?
>brother moved to aussyland with his wife
>just one year bro, just going because I like the outdoors and there is fuck all of it here
>covid hits, works in the medical sector
>just got his permanent residency
>now talking about buying a house and getting kids
what other natural tortures will my future nieces and nephews be subject to
There are lethally venomous snakes any time you're near a water source, even in cities though you don't usually see them.
It's never advisable to run into long grass.
Mosquitoes in the north can carry various diseases and parasites.
Packs of wild pigs in the bush.
And of course, bogans.
>bogans
they are melbourne urbanites so their exposure to the mythical bogan is limited. Which is al the better because their infectious alcoholism combined with the shit beer would be most tragic
>they are melbourne urbanites so their exposure to the mythical bogan is limited
Then tell them to stay away from the wilds of Broadmedows.
Stonefish.
I trod on one in a rockpool on a beach back in 2004. It was worse than then I got biten by a brown snake.
Stonefish were my greatest fear as a child. Rocks that fucking stab you with poison specifically in a place covered in rocks you're going to be barefoot.
>as a child
Fuck, they're still high up on my list now. I absolutely refuse to step into rockpools if I am barefoot as if there is a landmine in there because of them.
>box jellyfish sting
gg go next
Probably none, considering they're most likely living in a coastal metropolis
>I don't see an moral issues with feeding Chinese bugmen to ants
Animal cruelty for one.
Considering how Chinese treat other animals I see it as just deserts
I meant it's cruel to the ants
No he means its unhealthy to the ants to feed them food with so much MSG.
>Considering how cruel Australian soldiers are to their enemies, and how cheerfully they'll commit war crimes against their enemies while chuckling all the while, I can only imagine how unhinged civilian partisans would be.
To be fair, the guys that join the army are those unhinged types. They're pretty much the biggest arsehole bogans in the country.
I had a right-wing mate who was an arsehole bogan and he joined the army and came out practically a left-wing liberal horrified by what he encountered in barracks.
>You'd come back to them feeding captive zips to ants.
That would probably end up happening all on its own, anyone that's made it through the crocs and snakes and sand will end up sitting on a bull ant nest in the bush.
>Chinese
I think your WWII history has some gaps.
>Well the problem is now you've given the ants a taste for human flesh.
They've got that already, I assure you.
Have a look at the "craft skills" around feral toads. That shit would be happening to the enemy.
>Grandma has made Jap-baubles for Chrissy-tree decorations!
>Cuzzin Reg is trying to get high of their skin, but.
Not at all. People die in the outback every year even today, the interior is basically impassible to a self-supporting invading force so they'd be forced to go around the coast which is a controllable chokepoint. Inversely, the Australians knew the land and could have supply bases all over the north that the japs would never find, waging a guerilla campaign with relative ease.
>controllable chokepoint.
of several hundred kilometres width on either side....
...with defined roads the japs would be highly unlikely to leave, and thin supply lines hundreds of miles long.
Too bad that moving a hundred kilometres from the like 2 roads and rail connections there would mean that your troops now all die to starvation and dehydration.
it is the pary of aussy land with fuck all to do, even more shit climate, full on monsoon and full on drought summers, almost no population or economy
a poison pill for anyone that wants to take it and frankly the aussies would be better of without it
>fuck all to do
>almost no population or economy
Airlie Beach is alright.
Airlie Beach is a tourist shithole
>almost no population or economy
cairns, Maryborough, Townsville, Gladstone, darwin, Rockhampton. kys yourself
>actual town named Townsville City
>actual town named cairns, a pile of rocks
>Says 'kys yourself'... so 'have a nice day yourself'?
Northern Australia is useless anyways. Better to let the Japs have it and wait for the Yanks.
kys yourself newfag
Trolling is a art
>acting/being retarded is AN art
Naturals, you are
ah yes the economic gdp powerhouse of gladstone
I mean at least the pier serves as the basis for Redgum's best song
To be fair, the southeast and a bit of the southwest are where most people live
This thread is intended to normalize the idea of abandoning half of Australia to the Chinese. The Chinese have already made a defense agreement with the Solomon Islands and are doing construction work on the ports in the Solomons.
You Aussies are truly fucked if you do not pull your head out of your ass.
Chinese money has corrupted most of the politicians in Washington DC so do not count on America coming to help.
>Chinese have already made a defense agreement with the Solomon Island
After signing once with Australia, and then signing one with New Zealand right after signing one with China. Then they signed a regional pacific deal with America while China's regional deal fell flat on its ass
>Russian money has corrupted most of the politicians in Washington DC so do not count on America coming to help.
lol endlessly amusing watching American enemies step on the same rakes over, and over, and over again yea anon I'm sure the totes corrupted political class will just roll on over and let China do whatever it wants, not just take their money then tell them to fuck off when the chips are down just like every other moment in US history
and Australia, no less, the US most-based ride-or-die military ally, just breathtakingly retarded take here
>Chinese money has corrupted most of the politicians in Washington DC so do not count on America coming to help.
Australia getting invaded would be heaps bigger than Ukraine. Imagine the support they got now triple it
>Only triple
The US and UK would flat out intervene and declare war on the invading nation/s, in accordance with their treaties with Australia.
Imagine of we'd let the Nips have straya. The internet would be so much better right now.
I still can't get over that fact this entire idea was a myth invented post war. Is this Australia's holohoax?
I think realistically the “Brisbane line” would have just been one of several defensive phase lines.
Sorry my mistake the myth wasn't invented post war. But it was invented by a Labor politician to help Labor win re-election. It was never an actual proposal or plan.
it was literally just:
>those guys wants to give half of Australia to the japs, vote for us instead!
Didn't need to, because that same strategy worked in New Guinea.
>Let the wildlife take care of them.
Sounds like a good plan tbh. How many would die in the first emu raids?
If you knew anything about northern Australia you’d understand
Australia is an enigma to anyone outside of it. Listening to an Aussie talk about his country is like
>Crikey I hate driving up to bamboogatown it's all figedywongers and they don't even pull in the vegemite limos.
>he doesn’t know
op and I live un qld, retard
Then get a history book. In 1940 even defending the Brisbane pararel line would have been an extravagance. The IJA was not going to push overland from Northern Australia, which is why in reality they never had any intention of landing in the first place.
If you pulled back and preserved your logistics, and blew everything up north, the Japs would have been fucked by diseases they didn't normally contend with, water sources they didn't know what to do with, weather systems they weren't used to, and every single animal and vegetable trying to kill them. After that, you have the partisan attacks.
>Sail along the coastline and accept the Australian provisional government's surrender in Sydney harbour after you plop down some Marines
The real question would be whether Australians would be more free as a Japanese colony.
>Sail along the coastline
This historically is not fun for the uninitiated.
>Sail along the coastline
Aside from the natural dangers of the coast which wrecked plenty of ships that didn't know what they were doing, Australia did fortify its coastline and some of these guns got fired in the odd war.
Japan did a raid on Sydney Harbour that ended very badly too though I assume they'd send more than some mini-subs if they were serious.
>Landing in Darwin
>then marching to Sydney
Good luck
Japanese kill and eat you because they're starving.
Australians kill and eat you because they think it'd be funny.
>mate...mate
>I bet you a tinny that you can't eat a whole nip
>like a whole one, not a big one maybe but head to toes
>bet you can't
The locals will take care of the rest.
There is literally nothing in that top half anyway
Hell, is pretty much nothing West of the East coast
so thats what like 2 cities and the desert wasteland full of abos
my grand parents where farmers in the West Australian wheat belt. They were given cans of strychnine to poison all the water supplies and a 303 in case of a Japanese invasion. All the country towns set up rifle clubs to practise shooting.
theres nothing in that half, why fight for it? they will die trying to cross it
I'm from far north queensland, the list of dangerous plants and animals in that region is comically long. Good luck with that.
I don't see withdrawing as the worst plan, Australia has the luxury of being able to do that, let the Japanese wear themselves out advancing over a whole load of nothing. The logistics of supplying them from Japan would be crazy.
So far as I know a big part of the professional Australian army was in North Africa at the time.
Not like there is anything of value up there
I hate Australians so fucking much it’s unreal.
There was no need to make a proper defence plan, it's not like the Japanese were going to get past the impregnable fortress of Singapore, r-right?