Artillery

A lot of western arty went into Ukraine, Krabs from Poland, Cesars from France, M777 from USA and more, do you have any info of how well they perform on the battlefield? I heard German spg quickly had to have thier guns replaced due to prolonged use

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    im trans btw

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Good bait Black person

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    krabs are utter dogshit

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      So out of 50-70 sent 7 destroyed and 2 damaged so its bad, anon don't drink and post

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Cope poolack. Germany and Russia should have partitioned you back in the 90's

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        72 apparently.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      seems they are simply used more than other western spgs (or there are more of them)

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    its krab

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    considering that russia is still seething about them, they must be p good.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Case in point

      Cope poolack. Germany and Russia should have partitioned you back in the 90's

      I haven't heard any news about Cesar tho, other than it has been delivered

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The Caesar barge brigade helped liberate Snake island and open a multi-billion dollar grain corridor.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >haven't heard any news about Cesar
        Russians seethed so much about it they had to manufacture a story about buying/capturing 2 from Ukrainians in pristine state.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        A twitter account said that 2 were taken out, 1 by counter-artillery fire and another 1 by a Lancet (this one might be repairable). But I don't know their sources so only the one damaged by a Lancet is for sure.
        https://twitter.com/ForcesOperation/status/1625547005031333919

        Months ago some french journalist did a piece with the some of the CAESARs around Kramatorsk, so maybe more action with the fall of Bakhmut in 2 weeks.
        That's all we know I think (+Snake Island).

        Also they can fire Excalibur, so perhaps some kinos with these shells were fired by them ?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Rogozin got hit with caesars. He seethed so much he sent a piece of shrapnel they dug out of his body to the french ambassador with a very sternly worded letter.

        They must be good if they decided to go after a high value target with them.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Cope poolack. Germany and Russia should have partitioned you back in the 90's

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Can confirm. See

      https://i.imgur.com/uXMyTuo.png

      krabs are utter dogshit

      Cope poolack. Germany and Russia should have partitioned you back in the 90's

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    My takeaways: arty is extremely valuable. Towed systems are nice because they are cheap and plentiful, but take time to set up and are vulnerable to counter battery attacks. SPGs are great because they are highly mobile, but obviously more expensive.

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    There are vids on yt of hohols saying krabs are like porshe to lada compared to previous soviet system, I didn't see any interviews with crews of other systems

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Russians have a 10:1 artillery advantage, and their counter battery fires actively hunt hohol fires, meaning towed hohol eqpt is useless even if it's serviceable.

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >I heard German spg quickly had to have thier guns replaced due to prolonged use

    Unlike glorious Russian guns from soviet era which don't get replaced no matter how worn out they are.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Russian gun is like Russian man. Gets worked by his masters until he brakes down. He was over 30 years old, we didn't want him anyway! Get the next bio-robot to bring the next barrel.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        another successful SRS

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/cdg0IC9.jpg

      https://i.imgur.com/4WSlpS3.jpg

      Russian gun is like Russian man. Gets worked by his masters until he brakes down. He was over 30 years old, we didn't want him anyway! Get the next bio-robot to bring the next barrel.

      Is there a counter for the number of shells fired? Like on a car for distance driven?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Hellooooo? The question was serious. Sorry, I don’t own a 155mm Self Propelled Artillery gun.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          there must be ways of counting that since you need to perform maintenance on the gun every few thousands rounds, newer system definitelly got it since the automatic aiming needs to take it into account, older ones, probably wing it

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >there must be ways of counting that since you need to perform maintenance on the gun every few thousands rounds,
            Nobody answered you because your question is moronic
            You literally just count the shells you fired
            And then look at a spreadsheet telling you how fricked your barrel is

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              so it’s manual book keeping? It seems like bothersome documentation in time of peace, and impossible and unreliable in time of war.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >so it’s manual book keeping?
                It's just an app on an iPhone..

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I read a post on Quora that said they manually keep count of the total effective charges. A full powered shot counts as 1, so if you fired two shots at half charge it comes to 1 and each barrel has a maximum amount of charges before having to be changed, like 2000. Apparently shooting special rounds have a higher total effective charge than 1 as well

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            thank you Anon

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Sorry, I don’t own a 155mm Self Propelled Artillery gun.
          Well then you have to rectify that shortcoming, don't you?

  9. 1 year ago
    Mandickhin
    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Is that a DANA?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Ye

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Is that a DANA?

          Any way to tell the difference between the DANA and the Zuzana 2? They look the same to me

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I think the easiest way is to look at the muzzle break.
            also the DANA is 152mm, and ZUSANA 2 is 155mm.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              in addition, you can look at the device put on the rear end of the barrel (i don't know what i t's called), you see they are different in size and also on the ZUSANA 2 it's covered.
              and GODDAMN is she a sexy beast

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I think it's a muzzle velocity radar.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              1. Its Zuzana, not Zusana
              2. The one on the upper right is Zuzana 2, the one on the lower right is Zuzana 1 - the drivers cabin is different

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Easiest way is to compare the cabs.
            Left - DANA
            Right - Zuzana 2

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              sovl vs soulless

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Does the Zuzana have a longer barrel? I thought 155 has better range, doesn't making the barrel shorter mitigate that advantage?

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    All the SPGs are supposedly really good. They’ve lost more Krabs just because they’ve used them more. Honestly only losing 10% after several months of extremely high intensity artillery duels is impressive. The M777s have a worse attrition rate.

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    What's stopping someone from making a combined MBT/SPG?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Optimizing for indirect fire is different than direct. Indirect, you’re taking longer shots at high elevation. You need less armor and more speed: you’re trying to survive counterbattery fire, not a direct hit from an enemy tank.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Gotcha. I suppose needing a larger gun with the requisite elevation would also run afoul of the square-cube law.
        I presumed there's a very good reason no one had combined the two things, it just wasn't immediately apparent given the infinite budget of the US .mil.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I mean you had assault guns in WWII that kinda served as an AT when needed. But they were shitty at it, so that's why it didn't stick after WWII

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Is Arty king of the battlefield?

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The USA should get the Order of the Red Star for convincing Ukranians to use the M777
    European artillery on the other hand seems to have minimal attrition

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      M777 have killed at least 10,000 Russians. Its a good boy

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >The M777 howitzer is a British towed 155 mm artillery piece in the howitzer class
      You mean UK, right?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      M777 arrived in mass numbers first. It is a working horse of Ukrainian artillery corps. Essentially M777 saved Ukrainian army in Donbass in May and June 2022.

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    the m777 really is overrated. It's main tactical advantage is being lightweight and air liftable via helicopter. makes sense if you want to get artillery up a high elevation/mountains. The M777 costs $5.5m each meanwhile the K9 Thunder costs $3.5-4.5m each, the latter is more survivable, longer range and fire rate.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      At least compare the K9 to the M190 ($4m cost in the A7 variant). The M777 isn't overrated at all. They two completely different platforms. At least compare it to the KH179, which is a towed 155mm howitzer. Which is cheaper but also substantially less effective.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        You think it's not fair to compare a SPG to a towed howitizer, which alright it's not fair comparison, but it's more of a comparison to needs for Ukraine military and the Ukrainian terrain. They don't need expensive ass M777s that are sitting ducks for Russian counter battery and lancet attacks. If you given the opportunity the Ukies would surely trade their M777 for K9s or m109A7s

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Mobile arty good, towed arty bad. The rest is details. And the platform is only half of it anyway, ammunition type and amount are equally important.

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Schizo prediction... before this war is over we'll see Serbian SPGs for Ukraine and Isreali ones for Russia

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Serbian SPGs for Ukraine and Isreali ones for Russia
      If anything, it would be the other way around, silly.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Russian-Israeli Relations are weird is what I have to say so its definitely a possibility
        I personally wouldn't be surprised if the israelites sell some more shit to Russia like they did with some of their Drones in the past

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Don't let the online screeching fool you, Serbs actually living in Serbia aren't as fond of Russia as the disapora will tell you. And russia has way bigger ties into Isreal than either cares to admit. Stranger things have happened.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Isreali ones for Russia
      Why though? israelites know where there's profit, and standing on Russia's side these days is a good way to shit on your business.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Isreal knows russia is desperate, and they get special privileges on the geopolitical scale. They get to sell them some truck mounted howitzers for an absurd amount, then give a nice "oy vey" speech in the US Senate if people get uppity

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >western
    >krab
    West ends after Elbe.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Idiot.

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