A lot of western arty went into Ukraine, Krabs from Poland, Cesars from France, M777 from USA and more, do you have any info of how well they perform on the battlefield? I heard German spg quickly had to have thier guns replaced due to prolonged use
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Good bait moron
krabs are utter dogshit
So out of 50-70 sent 7 destroyed and 2 damaged so its bad, anon don't drink and post
Cope poolack. Germany and Russia should have partitioned you back in the 90's
72 apparently.
seems they are simply used more than other western spgs (or there are more of them)
its krab
considering that russia is still seething about them, they must be p good.
Case in point
I haven't heard any news about Cesar tho, other than it has been delivered
The Caesar barge brigade helped liberate Snake island and open a multi-billion dollar grain corridor.
>haven't heard any news about Cesar
Russians seethed so much about it they had to manufacture a story about buying/capturing 2 from Ukrainians in pristine state.
A twitter account said that 2 were taken out, 1 by counter-artillery fire and another 1 by a Lancet (this one might be repairable). But I don't know their sources so only the one damaged by a Lancet is for sure.
https://twitter.com/ForcesOperation/status/1625547005031333919
Months ago some french journalist did a piece with the some of the CAESARs around Kramatorsk, so maybe more action with the fall of Bakhmut in 2 weeks.
That's all we know I think (+Snake Island).
Also they can fire Excalibur, so perhaps some kinos with these shells were fired by them ?
Rogozin got hit with caesars. He seethed so much he sent a piece of shrapnel they dug out of his body to the french ambassador with a very sternly worded letter.
They must be good if they decided to go after a high value target with them.
Can confirm. See
My takeaways: arty is extremely valuable. Towed systems are nice because they are cheap and plentiful, but take time to set up and are vulnerable to counter battery attacks. SPGs are great because they are highly mobile, but obviously more expensive.
There are vids on yt of hohols saying krabs are like porshe to lada compared to previous soviet system, I didn't see any interviews with crews of other systems
Russians have a 10:1 artillery advantage, and their counter battery fires actively hunt hohol fires, meaning towed hohol eqpt is useless even if it's serviceable.
>I heard German spg quickly had to have thier guns replaced due to prolonged use
Unlike glorious Russian guns from soviet era which don't get replaced no matter how worn out they are.
Russian gun is like Russian man. Gets worked by his masters until he brakes down. He was over 30 years old, we didn't want him anyway! Get the next bio-robot to bring the next barrel.
another successful SRS
Is there a counter for the number of shells fired? Like on a car for distance driven?
Hellooooo? The question was serious. Sorry, I don’t own a 155mm Self Propelled Artillery gun.
there must be ways of counting that since you need to perform maintenance on the gun every few thousands rounds, newer system definitelly got it since the automatic aiming needs to take it into account, older ones, probably wing it
>there must be ways of counting that since you need to perform maintenance on the gun every few thousands rounds,
Nobody answered you because your question is retarded
You literally just count the shells you fired
And then look at a spreadsheet telling you how fucked your barrel is
so it’s manual book keeping? It seems like bothersome documentation in time of peace, and impossible and unreliable in time of war.
>so it’s manual book keeping?
It's just an app on an iPhone..
I read a post on Quora that said they manually keep count of the total effective charges. A full powered shot counts as 1, so if you fired two shots at half charge it comes to 1 and each barrel has a maximum amount of charges before having to be changed, like 2000. Apparently shooting special rounds have a higher total effective charge than 1 as well
thank you Anon
>Sorry, I don’t own a 155mm Self Propelled Artillery gun.
Well then you have to rectify that shortcoming, don't you?
Is that a DANA?
Ye
Any way to tell the difference between the DANA and the Zuzana 2? They look the same to me
I think the easiest way is to look at the muzzle break.
also the DANA is 152mm, and ZUSANA 2 is 155mm.
in addition, you can look at the device put on the rear end of the barrel (i don't know what i t's called), you see they are different in size and also on the ZUSANA 2 it's covered.
and GODDAMN is she a sexy beast
I think it's a muzzle velocity radar.
1. Its Zuzana, not Zusana
2. The one on the upper right is Zuzana 2, the one on the lower right is Zuzana 1 - the drivers cabin is different
Easiest way is to compare the cabs.
Left - DANA
Right - Zuzana 2
sovl vs soulless
Does the Zuzana have a longer barrel? I thought 155 has better range, doesn't making the barrel shorter mitigate that advantage?
All the SPGs are supposedly really good. They’ve lost more Krabs just because they’ve used them more. Honestly only losing 10% after several months of extremely high intensity artillery duels is impressive. The M777s have a worse attrition rate.
What's stopping someone from making a combined MBT/SPG?
Optimizing for indirect fire is different than direct. Indirect, you’re taking longer shots at high elevation. You need less armor and more speed: you’re trying to survive counterbattery fire, not a direct hit from an enemy tank.
Gotcha. I suppose needing a larger gun with the requisite elevation would also run afoul of the square-cube law.
I presumed there's a very good reason no one had combined the two things, it just wasn't immediately apparent given the infinite budget of the US .mil.
I mean you had assault guns in WWII that kinda served as an AT when needed. But they were shitty at it, so that's why it didn't stick after WWII
Is Arty king of the battlefield?
The USA should get the Order of the Red Star for convincing Ukranians to use the M777
European artillery on the other hand seems to have minimal attrition
M777 have killed at least 10,000 Russians. Its a good boy
>The M777 howitzer is a British towed 155 mm artillery piece in the howitzer class
You mean UK, right?
M777 arrived in mass numbers first. It is a working horse of Ukrainian artillery corps. Essentially M777 saved Ukrainian army in Donbass in May and June 2022.
the m777 really is overrated. It's main tactical advantage is being lightweight and air liftable via helicopter. makes sense if you want to get artillery up a high elevation/mountains. The M777 costs $5.5m each meanwhile the K9 Thunder costs $3.5-4.5m each, the latter is more survivable, longer range and fire rate.
At least compare the K9 to the M190 ($4m cost in the A7 variant). The M777 isn't overrated at all. They two completely different platforms. At least compare it to the KH179, which is a towed 155mm howitzer. Which is cheaper but also substantially less effective.
You think it's not fair to compare a SPG to a towed howitizer, which alright it's not fair comparison, but it's more of a comparison to needs for Ukraine military and the Ukrainian terrain. They don't need expensive ass M777s that are sitting ducks for Russian counter battery and lancet attacks. If you given the opportunity the Ukies would surely trade their M777 for K9s or m109A7s
Mobile arty good, towed arty bad. The rest is details. And the platform is only half of it anyway, ammunition type and amount are equally important.
Schizo prediction... before this war is over we'll see Serbian SPGs for Ukraine and Isreali ones for Russia
>Serbian SPGs for Ukraine and Isreali ones for Russia
If anything, it would be the other way around, silly.
Russian-Israeli Relations are weird is what I have to say so its definitely a possibility
I personally wouldn't be surprised if the garden gnomes sell some more shit to Russia like they did with some of their Drones in the past
Don't let the online screeching fool you, Serbs actually living in Serbia aren't as fond of Russia as the disapora will tell you. And russia has way bigger ties into Isreal than either cares to admit. Stranger things have happened.
>Isreali ones for Russia
Why though? garden gnomes know where there's profit, and standing on Russia's side these days is a good way to shit on your business.
Isreal knows russia is desperate, and they get special privileges on the geopolitical scale. They get to sell them some truck mounted howitzers for an absurd amount, then give a nice "oy vey" speech in the US Senate if people get uppity
>western
>krab
West ends after Elbe.
Idiot.