Armor Concept

2 man track with 30 VLCs. Could provide anti armor and anti air coverage. While staying hidden and using remote target data.

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    How does it acquire targets?

    • 2 months ago
      Iceberg

      Lock On After Launch

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        what about artillery radars?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Brimstone is fire and forget, it has a radar.
        You pick a location on the computer and point the missile in roughly the right direction and it will kill something.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          still can't get over how advanced the signal processing must be for it to be able to distinguish between slightly different tank models in adverse conditions.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    might be a lot of work for only 2 men.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    If it is hidden, why does it need to be armored?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'll do you one better, why does it need to be manned?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Ill do you one better, why does it even need to be mobile.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Well that's obvious, gotta be able to dodge arty fire.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Probably need to be bigger than a two man vehicle, unless they're literally just there as glorified taxi drivers to drive vehicle around and weapons employment is done via data link, in which case like others have pointed out, might as well make it unmanned.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Naval VLS cells are ~22-25 feet long. Any sort of land vehicle launched missiles need to lay flat on a flatbed truck like HIMARS and similar systems, vertical launch just doesn't make too much sense in a normal-sized ground vehicle because you need space for rocket motors or solid rocket boosters, and in either case you're going to need length for anything with decent performance characteristics. You can only get so much performance from such small missiles.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Brimstone, Hellfire, Spike NLOS etc. are all some 6ft long, but the range would be 10-20 miles at best.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        A highly mobile, unmanned vehicle, that can carry 20+ Brimstones and fire them at armor formations 10-20 miles away, then cruise away from counter battery fire would be incredibly effective.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Well yeah, like I said small missiles are a thing and do decent work in their niche, BUT that niche is already filled, and I don't see that niche needing some dumb vertical launched armored vehicle packing 30 of them.

        Maybe we could look at adapting SeaRAM for a truck-mounted system and call it LandRAM or something.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          you mean C-RAM?

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter_rocket,_artillery,_and_mortar#U.S._Army:_Land-Based_Phalanx_Weapon_System

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phalanx_CIWS

          https://www.armyrecognition.com/united_states_us_army_artillery_vehicles_system_uk/centurion_c-ram_land-based_weapon_system_phalanx_technical_data_sheet_specifications_pictures_video.html

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            No he means SeaRAM, the RIM-116 launcher not the fucking CIWS

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              https://i.imgur.com/tAhThii.jpg

              No, the Phalanx CIWS uses the M61 20mm Vulcan

              SeaRAM uses the RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missile (RAM)

              Remove gun, install missile

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIM-116_Rolling_Airframe_Missile

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, they're both derivatives of Phalanx but SeaRAM isn't C-RAM, C-RAM is specifically the Phalanx CIWS adapted to land use, SeaRAM is a completely separate system that took the electronics off of the Phalanx CIWS system and mated it to a RIM-116 launcher.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Look at this pic, then look at

                https://i.imgur.com/tAhThii.jpg

                No, the Phalanx CIWS uses the M61 20mm Vulcan

                SeaRAM uses the RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missile (RAM)

                and

                https://i.imgur.com/Ka99gso.jpg

                Well yeah, like I said small missiles are a thing and do decent work in their niche, BUT that niche is already filled, and I don't see that niche needing some dumb vertical launched armored vehicle packing 30 of them.

                Maybe we could look at adapting SeaRAM for a truck-mounted system and call it LandRAM or something.

                Explain to me how these aren't the same system just with the gun swapped for a missile pod.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Because it runs on entirely different software controls?

                If you physically removed the gun and threw a missile pod underneath do you think magically it's going to just be able to shoot those missiles?

                You're an actual retard if you honestly think it's a simple 10 minute job, or even a 1 day job.

                It would take weeks or even months to make SeaRAM work on a land-based platform.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Mount SeaRAM on a trailer instead of a boat
                >Make sure the right firmware package is installed
                Job done

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Now your army base is highly defended against sea-skimming AShM they're likely to encounter.

                Not to mention SeaRam has zero capability against mortars and artillery shells.

                Just because you could do something doesn't mean you should

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Just because you could do something doesn't mean you should
                Tell that to

                https://i.imgur.com/Ka99gso.jpg

                Well yeah, like I said small missiles are a thing and do decent work in their niche, BUT that niche is already filled, and I don't see that niche needing some dumb vertical launched armored vehicle packing 30 of them.

                Maybe we could look at adapting SeaRAM for a truck-mounted system and call it LandRAM or something.

                then
                All I'm saying is that it's a completely self contained system, you can mount it on whatever the fuck you want, as evidenced by the C-RAM trucks and trailers.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                C-RAM itself took several months, it wasn't like they grabbed a phalanx off a boat and put it on a truck and turned it on.
                US military asked for C-RAM development in May 2004. It didn't deploy until mid 2005, a year later. And that was an EXTREMELY fast and aggressive development cycle.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                RIM 116 itself does though
                > In 1998, a memorandum of understanding was signed by the defense departments of Germany and the United States to improve the system, so that it could also engage so-called "HAS", Helicopter, Aircraft, and Surface targets. As developed, the HAS upgrade just required software modifications that can be applied to all Block 1 RAM missiles.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                HAS does not include munitions used in indirect fire. They're talking about drones, helos, and small boats, not shells. Even if they were capable of knocking out artillery shells SeaRAM doesn't have an effective magazine size and is expensive to use missile like the 116 in that role

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I never suggested it for shells, I suggested it for protecting mobile strategic assets from incoming missiles or helis/jets, all of which it's perfectly capable of.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            No, the Phalanx CIWS uses the M61 20mm Vulcan

            SeaRAM uses the RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missile (RAM)

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >BUT that niche is already filled
          by what exactly?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Most large armored vehicles CAN optionally mount Spike NLOS, Hellfire, etc.

            I just don't see the need to shove 30 of them into a single target.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >armoured vehicles can already mount 1-2 nlos so no need to have one that can mount 30
              are you for real?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yes? In what situation is it worth putting 30+ into a single vehicle that can get fucked by a tank or single ATGM?

                You don't put all your eggs in one basket.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                If it's in danger of being hit by a tank or ATGM you're already using it wrong

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                The missiles that can be mounted on those vehicles are generally within range of advanced ATGMs, sure you can out-range them slightly maybe, but all it takes is one.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I mean that the enemy shouldn't even know where it is to shoot an ATGM at it. Though you're right, it'd probably make more sense to have multiple smaller UGVs each with 2-4 missiles and spread them out over a wider distance.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >if you mount 30 atgms on a platform - you have to fire all 30 at one target
                what the fuck is wrong with you. the whole point is having one vehicle (instead of 15) capable of taking care of an enemy tank company that might show up. if you can't see the advantage of having one vehicle do the job of 15 then idk how you figured out how to turn on a computer.

                The missiles that can be mounted on those vehicles are generally within range of advanced ATGMs, sure you can out-range them slightly maybe, but all it takes is one.

                >it can be killed
                so can anything you put on a battlefield, if your reconnaissance sucks compared to the enemy then you've already lost.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >what the fuck is wrong with you. the whole point is having one vehicle (instead of 15) capable of taking care of an enemy tank company that might show up.
                Dude, those 15 vehicles already exist. You are not reducing the number of vehicles from 15 to one; you are increasing it from 15 to 16 and risking one kill taking out 100% of your anti-tank capability.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Maybe we could look at adapting SeaRAM for a truck-mounted system and call it LandRAM or something.
          that's already a thing.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Tor has vertically launched missiles

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        this, most tanks have a pretty substantial depression built in.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/brimstone-equipped-boxer-vehicle-variant-revealed/
    I don't see why you'd want to incorporate AA into the same hull though

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine designating multiple tank companies as targets with drone/air/satellite recon elements - feeding the target info to a platoon of these vehicles and watching them get erased by shear volume of fire from behind cover. You could probably assign 3 missiles to each target for simultaneous contact and total overwhelming of any APS.
    It would be pretty expensive though, and I bet a sufficiently powerful laser APS could buttfuck a significant number of incoming missiles

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I know it's silly, but I'd like to see a modern TKS with about the same dimension. Armed with 50cal and 2 84mm launchers in weapons station that can rotate 200deg frontally.

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