Are you ready for the "Made in India" Rafale jets?

Would it be a success story like the other Indian domestic-made fighter jet "Tejas" or would it be looked down upon by the jealous world?

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >make in india
    i hate this ESL shit so much

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Maded in India
      India-maken
      Makenned in India
      Me liken't ELaS (english language as secondary) shenanigans so many it is irreal.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I think it’s a machine translation

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Make_in_India
        Nope. It's a real thing. They think Made in India implies you just manufacture a thing for someone. So they invented Make in India

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's an initiative being pushed by the current Indian regime.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    We all look down on India but this isn't why.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The only way India would ally with China is if India became a nuclear crater and there was one surviving chinaman left alive. Indians fricking hate the chinks.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    its would be an absolute shitshow with the indians blaming the french for any failures and the french trying to fleece every penny out of the indians, worse than a israelite

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This was the reason the MRCA contract fell through wasn't it?
      India wanted to build Rafale locally but still have Dassault responsible for any production failures and the French told them to frick off
      Imagine India tanking Dassault's rep abroad by selling their dung to other countries

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Similar thing happened when euro-taiwanese chip companies wanted to build a factory in India and they were told to "put more skin in the game" by the Indian government, as in tech transfers, which resulted in immediate cancellation of plans.
        India is a funny place.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Similar thing happened when euro-taiwanese chip companies wanted to build a factory in India and they were told to "put more skin in the game" by the Indian government, as in tech transfers, which resulted in immediate cancellation of plans.
        India is a funny place.

        reminder during, I think it was 2018, Tank Biathlons India completely wrecked their T-90s and blamed the Russians, but then immediately bought more T-90s

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You gotta save the face, you know how it is.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >This was the reason the MRCA contract fell through wasn't it?
        Indians unironically wanted French to carry on responsibility for any and all HAL and other Indian incompetence with Indians having zero risk. That pissed of French to a degree where they rather partner with a company with no aerospace experience at all over HAL to carry local maintenance for smaller Rafale order that eventually happened. Abdi in Hargeisa is laughing all the way to the bank while Abdi in Mogadishu is seething and coping while being incapable doing anything about it. Unless every single civil unrest in Ethiopia boils into local civil war and Ethiopia as whole becomes failed state like Somalia.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This will sadly never happen because Indians do not understand what is expected of them for such a thing to happen. They need to buy a shitton of jets for their own needs first, and then to bring in new customers without french assistance. They can do neither.

      THIS.

      This was the reason the MRCA contract fell through wasn't it?
      India wanted to build Rafale locally but still have Dassault responsible for any production failures and the French told them to frick off
      Imagine India tanking Dassault's rep abroad by selling their dung to other countries

      Absolutely. In 2014, 2 years after the Rafale had won the MRCA competition that had began in 2007, it was discovered Hindustan Aeronautics Limited would need 2.57 times the man hours to build a Rafale in India, at twice the cost, if compared with a simple purchase from Dassault.
      There are already some Rafale spares made in India at a Dassault's factory, and some parts acquired from Indian suppliers as part of a dual sourcing strategy. But that can only happen under the rule of Dassault without any intervention from the Indian government.
      Problem is not a single Rafale customer has agreed to buy Rafale that would be made in India. Neither the Emirates, nor Indonesia, Egypt, or even the Indian Navy wich requests the 26 Rafale M to be made in France.
      There is no way an indian assembly line would make tons of Rafale for the whole world without an avalanche of orders.
      The only thing India could get is a local assembly line for its own aircrafts, yet Dassault has repeatedly said they would need a purchase of around 100 Rafale to do this effectively. In France the lowest sustainable production rate for the Rafale is 11 aircrafts per year. Going lower than that screws up suppliers, QC, and QA.
      Building a full assembly line in India for just 10 years of production without any incentives to keep going afterwards is already very generous. But somehow India thinks they can make some cash by reusing it for their own benefit? Top fricking kek.

      If India just bought the rights to manufacture them and didn't frick around I think they could do it. The issue with Indian procurement is just that corruption is a huge issue and occasionally someone just has the bright idea of "well if this is so good why don't we just make something similar domestically, how could it be?".

      There is no such thing as buying the right to manufacture the Rafale. Dassault will not allow this, especially not with their current backlog which guarantees full rate production until 2032.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        base Pierre

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah it's me.

          In fairness there would be some advantages to the Indians building their own fighter jets. b***hin' Betty could be localized for their Indian pilots

          OVER G, OVER G
          >DO NOT REDEEM DO NOT REDEEM

          kek

          What are your thoughts on l'empereur going hard on Indian cooperation?

          If done well it could work, but it needs to be a win win partnership, not Indians trying to freeload for free tech transfers or the french looking to reap some easy cash with fake promises. Bottom line is what are the real synergies between France and India? The fact France has been a relatively reliable historic partner? That's not much.

          https://i.imgur.com/J5B3Mnd.jpg

          How would lower production numbers result in lower QC and QA?
          Is it just that lower production numbers means fewer inspectors?

          >How would lower production numbers result in lower QC and QA?
          >Is it just that lower production numbers means fewer inspectors?
          Mastering comes with practicing and everything is produced in batches. This is the industrial reality behind tranches or blocks. Suppliers reserve production slots for a certain number of parts and that number better be big to achieve economies of scale while ensuring a uniform level of quality and staying on budget. Dassault is currently facing such a problem, despite having a big backlog, because some of its suppliers ran out of business due to covid. Of course the problems arise now 3 years after Covid and 2 years after the Russian invasion of Ukraine because of the lag caused by production schedules, but the backlash was inevitable.
          >https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/dassault-aviation-order-intakes-deliveries-164100073.html
          In 2023 35 Falcon business jets and 15 Rafale should have been delivered, only 26 and 13 were, respectively, all because of supply chain issues. In 2024 up to 33 Rafale should be built, and it's already doubtful Dassault will achieve its goals despite some new partnerships, notably with Indian companies.
          >https://www.fortuneindia.com/enterprise/ptc-partners-with-dassault-aviation-for-indian-made-titanium-casting-parts-stock-surges-10/115435
          At the end of the day, you can't pay people to do nothing and if you do they will need retraining.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Bottom line is what are the real synergies between France and India?
            The only thing I can think of is that they both need a 6th gen aircraft that is also carrier capable.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What are your thoughts on l'empereur going hard on Indian cooperation?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        How would lower production numbers result in lower QC and QA?
        Is it just that lower production numbers means fewer inspectors?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You overheads remain the same year on year so the cost of production mounts up and return on investment is slow to materialise. Some bright spark inevitably decides it's necessary to cut costs in other ways
          There's also a usually a bunch of shit going on in a work force that know they're not stretched at all, and no more work coming in, if they're doing a job that doesn't really interest them or stimulate them. And you can't start paying them more money to keep them motivated because you know there's not going to be any increase in orders this decade and everything has already been costed.

          "Craftsmanship" is only a thing when people are interested in what they are doing and have a sense of accomplishment.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So basically the Indian experience with Russian aircraft except instead of complaining about any short comings they decided to praise the russian scam scrap because they all have brain worms.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They deserve each other

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You have no reason to trust me on this, I'm not going to tell my exact job.
      But I know the Indian subcontractors working with Dassault do a pretty bad job.
      Granted one is more of a german company operating in India.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not him, but I believe you anon.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Indian subcontractors working with Dassault do a pretty bad job.
        Have indians ever done a good job on anything ever in the last 60 years?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The Indian space program is surprisingly good. They have done some rarher impressive missions, for penny on the dollar compared to similar(ish) US and euro missions.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I mean that's what I would have assumed without any additional information.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I think strangely enough the only thing I've ever seen built or done by subcontinentals that wasn't absolute dog shit is Mahindra tractors. I can't believe everyone keeps falling for the scam of paying street shitters for anything.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I mean, Indians have an absolutely dogshit maintenance on their jets.
        How many Paki/Chinese jets crashed in the last 5 years? How many Indian ones? Double? Triple?

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If India just bought the rights to manufacture them and didn't frick around I think they could do it. The issue with Indian procurement is just that corruption is a huge issue and occasionally someone just has the bright idea of "well if this is so good why don't we just make something similar domestically, how could it be?".

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine the smell of the wreckage

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    does it use cow dung as fuel?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Washed in the water of the ganges (perfect steath coating as explained in bhagavad gita)

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In fairness there would be some advantages to the Indians building their own fighter jets. b***hin' Betty could be localized for their Indian pilots

    OVER G, OVER G
    >DO NOT REDEEM DO NOT REDEEM

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why are the french always so keen on arming our enemies?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Define "ours" anon. Are you Chinese or Pakistani? If not you're missing on the fact India is a member of the Quad and on the fact the USA have sold a ton of weaponry to India in the last years.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They're a democracy though

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >the country I've heard described as "barely" a democracy multiple times

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous
        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >nooooo it can't take longer to count the (much, much more densely-populated and more liberal) urban centers!
          Whenever I see these laughable before/after voting tallies after every election when the fringe candidate loses, my first reaction is to mock, to belittle, to ridicule.
          But quickly that gives rise to disappointment and pity that someone could have been failed so profoundly by their caregivers and education system as to not only SUSPECT such an ludicrous, illogical fraud, but to BELIEVE in it so fervently that they have no qualms about boldly proclaim it to others. Who allowed this person to go out into the world with such a shoddy grasp of the most rudimentary aspects of modern civilization?

          Like, do you not understand that at the end of the day, voting = counting?
          And that more counting = more time? With me so far?
          And that urban = more people = more counting = more time?
          And that sparsely-populated jurisdictions with like 12 boomers/rednecks (or the French equivalent thereof) will take all of two minutes to tally?
          Whereas Paris has literally has one fricking fifth of the country's entire population?

          Who failed you? Who failed to educate you so negligently that you proudly announce your ignorance to all who will listen? I'm sorry, but these "b-b-but the number was BIG and now it's NOT BIG! >:(" election fraud claims make me weep for the future.

          >inb4 not reading
          >inb4 troony/israelite/reddit
          That will only deepen my suspicions that you have been profoundly neglected and mistreated by those responsible for your upbringing, my son
          Also: weapons?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The USA is arming Saudi Arabia to the teeth. India is not even close to being an evil regional power compared to the accursed bloodline of the Saud.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah but they don't fight lol

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        see

        Yeah but they don't fight lol

        We can arm them but any weapons system needs competent users working in sync to pull off ever adequate results.
        Whereas Saudi Arabia can't even kill the moronic monkeys divided by civil war to their south. They were paying Sudanese child soldiers ludicrous sums to go fight and die for them, late-Byzantine style (where barely anyone fights for their own country and its mercenaries most of the way down). They will always disappoint in modern warfare.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >a success story like the other Indian domestic-made fighter jet "Tejas"
    Laying it on too thick there, shitposter-kun. Not even actual pajeets think the Tejas was anything but debacle nowadays.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They made a movie about it recently.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Indias first jet was made by a GERMAN
    How CRAZY is that?

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Anything Indian made will be shit.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Royal Enfield motorcycles are pretty gud, especially for how inexpensive they are.
      That's about it, though, and they recruited a bunch of Bongs to help them with R&D.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No they aren't they are like budget Chinese bikes now

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous
          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Keanu rides a Norton, Tom Cruise rides a triumph
            This speaks volumes

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            you see, the chinese engine shaves itself to lose weight and gain more volume. in the end you get a more powerful but lighter engine!

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They're budget, but they're fun. I've ridden both a Himalayan and an Interceptor, and both had tons of character and were a delight to ride. The Interceptor in particular has that old UJM bike feel that you don't really get anymore.
          They aren't at Japanese-tier reliability, but they actually seem to give a shit about improving instead of just coasting along and putting out shitty copies of other bikes like most Chinese and Indian companies seem to be content doing.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If indians would just throw the fricking towel in the ring with their whole moronic non-allignment stance they could get properly integrated in to the western mil-industrial complex and absolutely BTFO Pakistan's military capabilities in every possible metric. moronic indian nationalists keep shooting themselves in the foot with basically everything they do

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It can't be understated what a golden opportunity India has on the geopolitical level and yet they consistently keep shitting the diplomatic bed.

      Think about it, you basically got all the major western nations trying to push to further integrate them into their block. You got Biden simping during Modi's visit last year and and for example Macron sucking up to Modi only yesterday. China and Pakistan are already buddy buddy anyway and China hates both India and the western bloc already as well, so nothing major would change in those relations. The ONLY thing is that they would probably be out of their ok-ish relationship with monke but does it really need explanation that you will end up net positive if you get Lockeed Martin in return for tiktok chechens.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Given Armenia’s rations with India and France, they would probably be the only buyer of Indian made aircraft.

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    India version is going to have a toilet seat for the pilot.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Didn't France and India try this already and it failed so miserably that France stopped doing defense-related contracts with the Indians?

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Indian quality notwithstanding I would believe at 200% that China have a propaganda bureau dedicated to replace the MADE IN CHINA meme. (just like they asked to have MADE IN RDC instead)
    I would rather buy Indian than Chinese product. At least India aren't actively lobotomizing their population into producing mindlessly.

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    HAL and the Indian government have been shitting the street since the Marut. They could have co-funded upgrades to the Orpheus turbojet with Rolls Royce or helped out the Egyptians and got a solid mid-high Mach 1 interceptor/strike aircraft that could have lasted for 30+ years.

    But nope, they gotta poop around.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i unironically seethe to see shit like this
    like saudis and other middle eastern shitholes flying f-15s and typhoons and all this american kit
    or hues making gripens
    is there a phrase for this
    aside from being racist

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You're probably envy because you're from some industrylet shithole.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        shut the frick up rajeesh

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >You're probably envy
        Damn this homie is a whole ass sin, that's pretty rad

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >is there a phrase for this
      >aside from being racist
      It's just some paraphilia anon. You identify your love interest with fighter jets and feel betrayed if some dude you can't racially identify with touches them. No big deal. It's notmal and healthy to be protective, but sadly these are inanimate objects, they're not people. Set your priorities straight.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        damn, that is some heavy stuff
        i need to go rethink my life
        also nice trips

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous
        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >YWN have a pet F-22
          Why live?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You are not in the wrong. Don't let the browns convince you otherwise.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Didnt India's old Migs have something like a 50% crash rate?

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    heh
    crop dusters

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm picturing afterburner but its poop instead of flame

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The only things India makes that aren't crap are pharmaceuticals.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Eye drops cause 3 deaths, 8 cases of vision loss including 4 eyeballs removed.
      Produce pharma in India, get poo in the eye
      https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-65171851

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They literally can't export them to the EU because the quality assurance is lacking too much.

      The USA is arming Saudi Arabia to the teeth. India is not even close to being an evil regional power compared to the accursed bloodline of the Saud.

      They're not on Saudi's level yet, but give it 10 years with the ongoing trajectory and they will be there. Look at the recent drama of them trying to assassinate Canadians in Canada of all places, causing a major diplomatic rift. The nationalist government has been sniffing its own farts for a decade now and there are genuine forces inside the government that see themselves as some sort of dominant assertive power that can bully its way around alla the Saudis. This frame has always been there but was strictly used for domestic political consumption, but now they really start acting upon it abroad as well

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