Are western tanks getting too heavy?

It seems like Western tanks can't handle the mud. Abrams have been only seen driving on roads. Challengers have been only seen sinking into mud.

Have western tanks become to heavy? Will an autoloader fix this weight issue or are we too far gone.

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You can sink a bicycle up to the handle bars in mud without even trying.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      its very simple

      ?t=81

  2. 2 weeks ago
    all fields

    >It seems like Western tanks can't handle the mud. Abrams have been only seen driving on roads. Challengers have been only seen sinking into mud.
    No. Ukrainians have even said that many western tanks have lower ground pressure than many soviet designs.
    >Will an autoloader fix this weight issue or are we too far gone.
    No, autoloaders actually add weight.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >No, autoloaders actually add weight.
      every autoloading tank except the altay weighs less than any modern MBT

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >every autoloading tank
        That's because they aren't modern tanks, duh. All their armor is cope bricks that only protect against RPGs.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          more manual loader cope?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            He doesnt understand that a lower profile due to autoloader means less armour that has to be put onto surfaces saving weight. Loader shills dont make sense anymore and the role will be replaced with drone operators.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Literally has a worse frontal protection arc.

            He doesnt understand that a lower profile due to autoloader means less armour that has to be put onto surfaces saving weight. Loader shills dont make sense anymore and the role will be replaced with drone operators.

            >saving weight
            The K2 saved by skimping on both frontal and side armor

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              K2 has the same frontal protection as Abrams or Leopard 2. Sides are weaker yes but that's by choice. Sides should be protected by APS anyways Abrams won't survive APFSDS or modern ATGM to the side either.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                APS isn't going to stop autocannon fire. The side armor should but unfortunately the Koreans skimped on that.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >No, autoloaders actually add weight.
      Are you fricking moronic or what? Dropped on your head as a child? SEVERE mental disability?

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Slav tanks have higher ground pressure than the Abrahams. Not sure about the Leopold or the one with the rifled benis.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why are they driving over a bog

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sometimes you have to.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        this thing was designed for bog

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >bog
          Build it.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            big flat bottom box with ushing tranks on side. easy

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        MT-LB a cute

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Old training photo. British army at BATUS. It was posted by the operations commander at the base, so it was either a recovery exercise or your everyday dumbassery.

      This is a warriorBlack person thread (obviously).

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Pl*bbit filename

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the purpose of western MBTs is and always will be defensive posture while completely BTFOing the Russian tincans trying to forcefully export their asiatic pseudocommunism into Europe
    and in this regard, being heavy is irrelevant if it means saving as many white lives of their crews as possible (which is a commodity that Russians hold in complete disregard as its foreign to them)

    basically western MBTs are as heavy as they need be

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >250k russian lives were lost just so that putin could hold an exhibition demonstrating superiority of western equipment in his capital
    bold gambit

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    All weapons threads are getting deleted for shill reasons.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    western tanks aren't getting heavy. they always have been heavy
    >M1 Abrams 67T
    >challenger 2 64T
    >Leopard 2 a4 55T
    >Tiger 2 68.5T
    >Tiger 1 55T

  10. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    You can clearly see a lake behind it that they drove it into.

    Ukraine seems to have a weird obsession with deliberately getting their tanks stuck in a place they shouldn't have a tank and then complain it's too heavy.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      It's because they used to light sissy soviet tanks.

      It's like when your mom borrows your dads car and dent the fender in the parking lot and blames to car for being too wide.

  11. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >new challanger and abrams upgrade sink in the western fricking pavement, forget Ukie bogs
    Nah, it's all good brah.

  12. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    The moment new US tank has an autoloader the same homosexuals will claim they always said that autoloader was better.

    Literally all new western designs use autoloaders.

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