Are we actually going to experience a true near peer war between the US and China?

Are we actually going to experience a true near peer war between the US and China? It the closest country that has as much defense spending as the USA.

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Probably not any time soon. The current situation in Ukraine is exposing the weaknesses of Chinas military model (which is based on the Russian one).

    Chinese are not going to go war unless they are very confident they will win.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Chinas military model (which is based on the Russian one).
      Ignorant retard. Ukraine exposed the USA much as Russian

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        ???

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Elaborate how.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          ???

          It exposed the United States as an undisputed military superpower. I'm not even American and I recognize this.

          It exposed how bad NATO is at EW, how US industry can't keep up with war, and that the US lied about the capability of their equipments.
          It also exposed how outdated ship from the 80s, are very vulnerable to even low tech missiles. News flash the bulk of the US navy is are outdated ship from the 80s.

          This. A carrier group here and a couple battalions of Marines in Singapore could choke them of their main oil route

          https://i.imgur.com/vTUjvd1.jpg

          (forgot pic)

          In any conflict, the US would immediately and perpetually target China's fuel reserves with everything they have.
          Left with little domestic production capacity and a theoretical embargo enforced by US Navy, they would begin to rely on import from Russia solely via land (India would tell them to "absolutely get fucked lol").
          They have no nuclear capable carriers or subs.
          Their electrical grid is mainly fueled by coal and hydro, no matter how many inroads they are making towards nuclear.
          Fuel would evaporate rapidly.
          Transport and shipping would grind to a halt.
          Their ships would be stuck in port.
          A scenario of millions trapped in cities starving to death with little means of accessing plentiful farm produce in the countryside would be realistic.

          War could very reasonably be won without needing to fire a shot.

          If the US tried that it would only result in a lot of ship sunk and a lot of dead Americans. You mutts are still living in lala land. the 90s was 30yrs ago.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            https://i.imgur.com/iLevcXD.jpg

            >Another China vs US thread.

            Oh good, the countdown to CCP paid shills ignoring valid criticism and engaging in political shitflinging has begun

            clockwork

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >It exposed how bad NATO is at EW, how US industry can't keep up with war, and that the US lied about the capability of their equipments.
            Uh...wat? US industry has kept up just fine with the war, there's been few issues with EW, and the American equipment has exceeded expectations.

            >It also exposed how outdated ship from the 80s, are very vulnerable to even low tech missiles. News flash the bulk of the US navy is are outdated ship from the 80s.
            >"Russian ships are bad, therefore American ships must also be bad because some of them were built around that same time period"
            Logic doesn't hold up.

            >If the US tried that it would only result in a lot of ship sunk and a lot of dead Americans
            When has China EVER been a major military threat? I can't think of a single time in all of its history. It's had a strong economy at various points, but never a fearsome military.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              They're certainly a big fish in a small pond. But it remains to be seen if all they can do is bully small countries like Russia, or if they have some substance. I figure though right now the Chinese have got to be rearming their forces after observing the war in Ukraine.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >But it remains to be seen if all they can do is bully small countries like Russia
                >Russia
                >Small
                Okay retard.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Read it again, slowly

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >But it remains to be seen if all they can do is bully small countries like Russia
                >Bully small countries like russia
                >small countries like russia
                >small like russia
                >russia
                >small
                You must be ESL.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                *like russia does
                Shouldn't be that hard.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Well considering they're currently bullying RUSSIA you've already answered your own stupid question.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                How? The Chinese and Russians haven't shot at each-other since like the 60's. They haven't bullied land off of them, like say the Russians bullied land off of Georgia.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            the copium is amazing.
            Just to talk up the ship one, the US radars are not from the 80's and would have properly tracked all targets and countermeasures would have been launched. The only thing Ukraine has done for the US, is make our investments seem rational for once.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >The US is bad at EW
            Lmao the US is the only country deploying EW assets constantly and across the globe. Hey guess what the Growler has notably shat on every generation of Russian AA in use.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Stop mentioning the growler I can only get so erect and I’m in public.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Fun fact the Growlers operated out of the SCS with F35s this year. No other country on the planet can even get their 4th gen planes into that area and operate like the USN can.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Have you heard about the new AMRAAM replacement that the F-35s are getting where they can receive radar data from the e-2 so that the f-35s don’t even need to get close. The F-35s don’t even need to turn on their radar suites so they can remain stealthed, and the only thing that’ll show up amongst all the scramble the growlers are putting out is the missiles coming to kill your ass.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                God its good to be American

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >US ships are from the 80s
            oh my poor retard, yes some of our flagships were commissioned in the 80s. Their fantastic super structures were at least. The USN has overhauled every ship in service more times in the last 20 years than you've been laid

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >The USN has overhauled every ship in service more times in the last 20 years than you've been laid
              There's a lyric here

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              ???
              Why doesn’t the USN overhaul its ships more than once in twenty years?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Because the floaty bits work fine.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >It exposed how bad NATO is at EW, how US industry can't keep up with war
            Wut. The US has been funneling Ukraine its garbage just fine.
            >that the US lied about the capability of their equipments.
            Those javelins and himars seem to be working pretty well
            >It also exposed how outdated ship from the 80s, are very vulnerable to even low tech missiles
            It exposes how Russian ships from the 80s are vulnerable to low tech missiles. It's amazing how you can see Russia fuck up and claim that it is an example of American weakness. Weird how if sinking a modern naval vessel was so easy Iran didn't just hand a missile to some Houthis to sink an American frigate to make America look bad. I mean the USS Cole didn't sink, neither did the USS Stark. Seems like American ships tank damage just fine, sounds like this is an issue of Russian design and damage control procedures and not a universal flaw of warships.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Your rusted ship doesn't even have AESAR radar and have 30yr old rusted hulls. Bulk of USN is outdated

              That's why even the Chinese coast guard can come to US exclusive economic zone and do law enforcement on us ship as they please.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                And yet Taiwan is still independent. If China's so powerful than why not actually unite China like they've planned to do for the last 80 years?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Because taiwan itself is not worth the cost of war. China will only invade if the US is on the table, as kicking the usa back to North America is well worth the cost.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The USA being on the table is literally the key thing that scared you bugmen shitless from any serious invasion. Remember when a US senator flew to Taiwan and you chinks cried and seethed over it, threatening strikes and war? What happened there, pussied out? Of course you did, you're still struggling at your borders with fucking Poos even when you outnumber and outarm them.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Chinese blockaded the island and the US navy ran away.
                US not stopping the blockaded = USA pussied out.
                You are prob gonna say that China only bombed fish because you are dumb and don't understand military etiquette.

                Chinese now regularly send coastguard and navy into US EEZ because they know the US navy can't do shit about them.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >usa pussied out
                AHHHHHH PEROSI PREAS-ACK

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >look up why pelosi is hated in China
                >constantly tells them to quit denying the existence of Taiwan and take responsibility for tianmen square massacre
                I don’t like her but damn she make chinks seethe

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Cartoon won't change the fact that china made your navy ran away and that chinese ship now patrols USA waters lol

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >muh cartoon
                kek so much seething. Pelosi went to Taiwan and landed despite le final warning. you zhangs then crawled into a ball and cried. btw thanks for the free (you) 😉

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                China never blockaded Taiwan.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >make shit up
                >meanwhile Pelosi has more to fear from a literal who than the Great Chinese Empire

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >gamergate causes more fear than the chinese empire
                gamers would destroy china

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >weaponized incels
                now you know why ragebait exists

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >w-we arnt taking over because we just don't wanna right now

                Fuckin lmao. Bugman cope is amazing and one of the only reasons I still come to PrepHole

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                When did this happen and was it actually a Chinese ship moving within sight of the US coastline and declaring grorious victoly?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Lmao, I home we get a war with chinks just so we can see 30 year old western equipment inflict a kill count in the hundreds of millions on the buggers.
            >Battle of Bejing
            >Coalition casualties: 2300
            >Chinese casualties: 14.6 million
            >tactical Chinese victory, western coalition forces temporarily withdraw due to buzzard swarms obstructing Chinese airspace

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Chinese casualties: 14.6 million
              >12 million of those were due to starvation

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >12 million of those were due to starvation
                *cannibalism

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                decisive jinping victory

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Are we actually going to experience a true near peer war between the US and China? It the closest country that has as much defense spending as the USA.

            https://i.imgur.com/vTUjvd1.jpg

            (forgot pic)

            This. A carrier group here and a couple battalions of Marines in Singapore could choke them of their main oil route

            >I cant think of an imported component that China needs for its military
            >China's oil imports account for 70% of it's consumption and is expected to rise sharply to 80% un the next 5-10 years

            Oh, I can anon

            They already won

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >A single president refusing to tap into America's vast sums of oil for ecological reasons means that China has won forever

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Abiogenic coal. Just fill in the hole and it grows back.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              The US has an untouchable supply in the Saudi's and two coasts to import it. China has a jugular in thousands of miles from home waiting to be slit

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >The US has an untouchable supply in the Saudi
                You boomers are all going to get wiped out by the housing crash. Enjoy working until you die.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >You boomers
                Boomers aren't gonna suffer, you can bet on that. Its gen x and y that are gonna be forced to shoulder it all. Zooms-zooms might get lucky and we have fixed shit somewhat by then.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >how US industry can't keep up with war
            Lol

            Lmao

            Roflmao

            America fought on two fronts while supplying war material and supplies for a third front in ww2. That's not mentioning various smaller theatres.

            This kind of industrial capacity can't be matched. Ice cream ships are a meme for a reason.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Ukraine exposed the USA
        Exposed how how a couple of dozen rocket artillery systems completely broke the back of the puccian invasion? The US could have easily beaten Russia by now with just the forces it had stationed in Europe pre-war ffs. The war would have been over by now if any Western European country sent so much as a expeditionary force.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Wut? The only thing exposed on the US side is that the DoD investment into surveillance technology was some of the best money they've ever spent.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        … But everyone already knew the US military and its equipment is the best on earth.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        We’ve only spent like $70 billion of China’s money. I’m pissed about it but that’s basically nothing for us to spend in a legit war.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It exposed the United States as an undisputed military superpower. I'm not even American and I recognize this.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Not sure if trolling or stupid

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Xi taking credit for what his predecessors set up.
      Meanwhile also Xi avoiding any blame about all the shit Xi cooked up.

      China abadoned the Soviet model ages ago.
      They've started copying the west, in particular the USA and SK, more and more.
      If they'd managed to get rid of Xi, they probably would have been a very serious threat (while also unlikely to be a direct threat).

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >weaknesses of Chinas military model (which is based on the Russian one).
      Nope. They've modernized and transitioned towards American style military system. They have reduced army conscripts by half, doubled airforce and doubled navy.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >They've modernized and transitioned towards American style military system
        Honestly pretty retarded when their needs are vastly different from America's.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Thats why they're switching to American style to fight the Americans.

          China will become a NavalAir/Space fighting nation.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            China isn't planning on fighting the Americans.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              No, but they're planning on defending against American diplomacy

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                They don't need a military for that.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Its an extra to incentivize America

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                America would be more incentivized to not invade China with Mao's original defense plan rather than what China is using right now.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Turning the country into an agricultural giant isn't viable. Wanting to sacrifice 90% of the population to keep America at bay isn't viable.

                Scientific/technological/military superiority is the only way.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Turning the country into an agricultural giant isn't viable. Wanting to sacrifice 90% of the population to keep America at bay isn't viable.
                It doesn't need to be used, only keep people from invading in the first place. America would never invade a China using Mao's defensive strategy, and thus the strategy would work perfectly. As it stands they're wasting a lot of money on equipment that's of no use to them like carriers.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                They need carriers for debt enforcement, whcih they need for one belt one road and sea logistics, which they need for petroleum, which they need to sustain their economy instead of mass starvation.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                China has no intention of militarily enforcing their debts, just recently they forgave dozens of debts from African nations that couldn't pay them.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Not right now because they can't.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                America would never invade China either way. But China however needs a way to project their power outwards from their land borders.

                Naval/Air/Space domain is the way they're forward with.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                China has no intentions of projecting power outwards from their borders, they're an isolationist nation, they oppose imperialism.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >from their borders
                How convenient that "their borders" keep growing.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                China's borders haven't grown in over 400 years.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                1962 was not 400 years ago.
                Oh yeah, and they also took some islands from Vietnam in the second Indochinese war.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                They didn't take any territory they didn't own before.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Wrong. Aksai Chin includes areas that were never under China's control before then.
                Also, just because your country control's a place, doesn't mean it does so in perpetuity. If that were the case, parts of China rightfully belong to Britain, France, and Japan. That's where your logic leads.

                That's just defending their coast, they haven't made any attempt to militarily bully any other nations, in fact China is extremely averse to ever using its military.

                The nine-dash line cuts into the territorial waters of Philippines and Malaysia.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The White Man has inherit claim to the entirety of the globe and heavens.
                Isn't this a fun game where we refuse to have an actual discussion and just posture at each other.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                They've shown plenty of intentions by invading and making artificial island in the middle of the Southern Sea, doing drills and invasion plans for Taiwan, expanding to Indian Ocean in Sri Lanka, Pakistan and Burma to cut off India, doing in Middle East/African exercises, expansions into South America, base expansions into Pacific Islands

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                That's just defending their coast, they haven't made any attempt to militarily bully any other nations, in fact China is extremely averse to ever using its military.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Taiwan is constantly under Chinese threats
                Tibet was militarily taken over
                Indian borders are constantly under Chinese threats
                Korean borders are threatned by Chinese

                China is an expantionist biding its time and opportunity. When it sees opportunity, it takes it. The only reason it hasn't done many more so far is due to American push back

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                China's threats towards Taiwan are empty like Putin's nook threats.
                Tibet used to be a part of China after the Yuan dynasty way back in the 1200's.
                China has no interest in India or Korea.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Tibet used to be part of China
                And China used to be part of Mongol
                It used to be part of Japan
                It used to be part of Tibet

                China invaded Tibet, Russia invaded Ukraine, China wants to invade Taiwan, China invaded Indian borders, China invaded Korea, China wants to invade Vietnam, etc.

                Expansionist powers need to be curbed.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Expansionist powers need to be curbed.
                And how do you intend to do that when China already has Europe dancing to its tune while China itself fields the most nationalistic, most powerful military on Earth?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                By putting checks/balance around the border such that they can't push others.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Most powerful military on earth
                I didn't know they allowed drugs in the CCP. I think India could kick your ass to be honest.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            With what fighter system or any amount of actual air systems at all, and don't quote me some vapor ware shit. Their navy barely conducts operations outside of the island chains what amount force projection is that?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Thats why they're switching to American style to fight the Americans.

          China will become a NavalAir/Space fighting nation.

          All they do is copy, copy, copy, but they don't even know what they're doing or why they're doing it, they just think emulating Americans is a pathway to dominance.

          I would pity them, if they weren't constantly threatening us from ankle-height.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            china really is just a cargo cult of the west these days huh?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      All three of the other people who responded to you are the same guy and he's located in Shanghai.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That's not true at all look at China's naval doctrine and shipbuilding and it mimics America
      Russian Naval doctrine is defense of Submarines, protecting the Army's sea flanks and guided missile surface action groups

      Chinas Naval doctrine is Carrier strike groups, Amphibious strike groups and frigates or Destroyers working in pairs for miscellaneous deployments
      China's DDGs have the specs of American DDGs it doesn't help that Israel and the Clintons sold the Chinese US military tech

      only thing that differentiates China from US naval forces is that China actually has good guided missile frigates whilst USN has LCS ( that's to change soon with the Constellation class frigates ) and Chinas huge fleet of fast attack craft, Australian company even helped China develop the Stealth ASM houbei class Fast attack craft
      also should've pointed out that America's carrier task groups do real deployments and have experience meanwhile China's carriers have never done a real deployment or really left oceans near China's domain of influence

      https://i.imgur.com/WXyb5Pa.jpg

      Implessive

      this graph and the Naval tonnage are noteworthy, China may indeed have a far bigger navy but it's mostly coastal corvettes and fast attack craft, just does have more frigates than America and similar number of destroyers but America has the largest and most capable naval logistics in the world, During desert Storm US was able to keep 3 carrier groups and a BB battle group constantly fueled and supplied

      >America has a far superior navy
      >America has a far superior air force
      It won't be close at all

      US currently has an Issue with Abysmal recruiting and no reflection on what happened with Afghanistan, 20 years and 3 generations served in Afghanistan we really should figure out what exactly went wrong

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Chinas Naval doctrine is Carrier strike groups, Amphibious strike groups and frigates or Destroyers working in pairs for miscellaneous deployments
        Lol what. They're a green water fleet primarily focused on missile cruisers. What few carriers they have, operate very close to home.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >They're a green water fleet primarily focused on missile cruisers.
          Those cruisers outrange by a few hundred km, that's why you navy can't do shit when they go into you eez

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        No. Chinese use their carriers for fleet defense, their destoyer are the counter to us carriers. Their ship based asbm can hit us ship 1500km away, which out range us carriers by a good 500km.

        052d and 055 are what the USN neex to worry about, not their carriers.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Implessive

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Don't forget that of those nations, 5 of them are US allies. I guess I will toss in the Saudis for 6, but lets face it they aren't participating in a Pacific theater period.Germany probably would just send more helmets and medical aid though. French? Eh they may send a boomer or two.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I imagine that while NATO wouldn't mobilize for a war in Asia, they'd have a lot of investment in containing China, so I figure they would be helping out the US and US allies as much as they are with Ukraine right now. I could also see them sending a few spare troops, because antagonizing China is less dangerous for Europeans than antagonizing Russia.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I think it depends on who in NATO we're talking about it. I doubt article 5 would be triggered, as it'll be a case of the US stepping into a China-Taiwan affair, but I suspect Japan and SK might get in on it, or SK staying out of it, worried about NK oppertunism. Australia seem like they're getting more and more sick of China's shit, so will likely either directly take part or at the very least support the US. Of the NATO, I'd expect the UK to be the most willing to chip in, after them the fucking Baltics of all people. Germany will 100% cuck out. Don't know about France or Nordics. Denmark's going to want to, but whether anything will come of that I have no idea. Turkey will wait and see and play realpolitik. Italy will likely try to stay out of it too. Dunno about the rest. Leaning towards Poland and France wanting to support the US in some fashion, of which France will be best equipped to do so. Unless they're still salty about the AUKUS sub thing.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Japan, Taiwan, and South Korea are all SEATO members, to they have to join in on the war. The US is part of NATO and SEATO, but the other NATO members aren't, and thus aren't obligated to join in.

            But not being a formal alliance member doesn't mean that NATO won't want to support things. The US declared war on Iraq and Afgahnistan afterall, and NATO being defensive in nature, was not obligated to join in. Still most of the big names sent some troops to the area, if for no other reason than to keep themselves sharp. Likewise, with NATO countries helping out Ukraine when they aren't a formal ally.

            Containing China is in pretty much all of Europe's interest (I agree though, Turkey likes to play all sides, so they'll wait and see), so I see them sending in a lot more than they did in say, Iraq which was a conflict that they had no real interest in.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I'm thinking more in the sense of getting cold feet. Teaming up with the Burgers to bomb some sandbox isn't as big an ask as going against China, who is still very profitable. The whole China-Estonia thing seemed to have been a bit of a wake up call, but question is how much. I'm not worried about the Bongs though.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                On the contrary. Reducing China is to everyone's profit, there is far more incentive.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        France's fleet in the Pacific is crucial to the Japan-US-France (and sometimes India) defence strategy especially the subs

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, France would pretty much necessarily get involved in the Pacific even if from afar, especially if the war started getting close to Australia or Polynesia

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Saudis' would do it for money, they'll do anything for money. The real question is if anyone would want that level of incompetence there in the first place.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      My favorite thing about America is that we spend all this money on what we call "defense" when clearly much of what we have is for attacking anyone who doesn't do what we want.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You know what they say, best defense is a good offense

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Like not wanting them to be a threat to your defense?

          Oh yeah I'm not complaining, I just think it's funny.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Like not wanting them to be a threat to your defense?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, when the EU criticized the US and did the opposite of what we wanted like buy Russian natural gas instead of our gas, we sure did invade them.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Not every single thing every single time. Don't be so silly anon.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Defense is just how we call War today, the clearest example is how every country the "Ministry of Defense" used to be called the "Ministry of War" prior to WW2. If you want to know more, read Carl Schmitt.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      spending in nominal amounts doesn’t make a great deal of sense if their shit is all cheaper and their salaries are minuscule
      the lowest enlisted man in the us military is paid an order of magnitude more than his slav or chink counterpart

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The chinese hide some of their spending on military items in other budgets, so the accuracy of any estimate will vary.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Why would the Chinese hide their military spending? They spend an inordinate amount of effort making sure that the rest of the world knows just how powerful their military is.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Every nation obscures their real numbers. No good reason to share the exact total, cause it lets nations effectively plan around you.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Not really, bulk numbers are worthless. FFS nations can include or exclude any number of things from their military budgets like veteran benefits (which could be handled by other parts of the national budget) and R&D with or without direct military applications. If anything China is overstating their military spending by including things under the purview of the "military budget" that the US and many other nations don't.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Every nation obscures their real numbers
            Yeah but generally speaking nations like the US understate their military spending while nations like China prefer to overstate theirs.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Now make one adjusted for Purchasing Power Parity.

      The gap is not as big as people think it is. China is near-peer overall but has reached peer status in certain areas like missiles. It will continue to be the pacing threat for US forces for the foreseeable future.

      WE ARE AHEAD, FOR NOW.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Now make one adjusted for Purchasing Power Parity.
        Why don't you? All you ever do is make baseless claims and demand other people substantiate them

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      1:8 dollars in the US defense budget is health insurance. All their vendor prices are higher because the US spends 1:5 dollars nationally on healthcare.

      China has $0 of health premiums in its budget because it has a modern OECD health system, not mega bloat that costs twice as much as produces shittier care and a ton of paper pushing.

      It also has much higher spending measured in PPP and the US has other concerns outside the Pacific Rim. Chinese spending is probably already at or surpassing the amount of US spending that can be dedicated to the region.

      But this ignores Japan, Korea, and Australia.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Forget just PPP, China now pays way, way less for rare earth metals and oil. They own the REM and ration it like a monopoly, but use it for their own needs. They also get Russian and Iranian energy cheap as fuck. Uncle Sam pays the global market rate for American oil even. China pays a discount rate because the US has bullied everyone else out of buying from two huge producers which just gives China cheap oil.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Russia and Iran don't compose the majority of China's oil tho. They are still a small sliver of what they import.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >own REM
          they don't, they just subsidized it to the point to drive everyone else out of business, but that's being fixed as we speak
          >ration it like a monopoly
          they dump REM to keep prices low
          >Russian and Iranian energy
          What pipelines to China? All one of them?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          They only extract it.

          That's because of subsidy and frankly, the dangers of extracting such things. It can be fixed by subsidy and various mitigations on the environment side.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >China pays a discount rate because the US has bullied everyone else out of buying from two huge producers which just gives China cheap oil.

          N...no..noo! Muttxirs, say that it isnt true!

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      stop
      posting
      nominal
      numbers
      nominal
      is
      worthless
      shit
      repeated
      by
      dumbfuck
      retards

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >SIPRI
        lmao, the most LIBERAL PPP adjustments say 300 bn for China.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Nope, USA doesn't have the industrial capacity to go to war with china. USN is full of 30 yr old ships and will shrink by half because the mutts industry won't be able to build new ship fast enough

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The Chinese industrial ability to produce anything worthwhile for a naval war will disappear the second they don't get their imported components, which in case of a war with the US, they won't.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Sais the country who need chinese machined parts for their jet engines

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Does that matter of "USA doesn't have the industrial capacity to go to war with China"? My point was that China is going to be just as shit out of luck if the two of them get into a fight. In terms of international trade China is also much more vulnerable to blockades than the US as, as most of it comes by sea and has to cross through the Indian Ocean, SEA, and the South China Sea, all of which can be reached by the US, while the Indians are fortifying the Andamans, likely exactly with this scenario in mind. It's why China's getting so territorial in the South China Sea and setting up shop all over the Indian ocean. Both to prevent getting blockaded by also blockading India and other US allies. Hell, with Pakistan hosting another large Chinese port, if a war between the US and China turns nuclear, I wouldn't be surprised if it's Indian and Pakistan starting it when the fighting reaches the Indian Ocean.

          Frankly I'm more worried about world trading getting BTFO by a USvChina war than it going nuclear, because the former seems like a certainty.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Since when? China is the one that cannot build jet engines.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Ramping up low tech level machine shops vs ramping up a non-existent semiconductor industry. Chinas gonna get fucked.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >low tech level machine shops
            >Jet engine
            >Low tech level

            You are retarded

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >The Chinese industrial ability to produce anything worthwhile for a naval war will disappear the second they don't get their imported components, which in case of a war with the US, they won't.

        I cant think of an imported component that China needs for its military. But I do know that America needs tons of imported components, not just for its military, but also for its civilian infrastructure. gnomish financialization schemes have turned America into a semi-failed state.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >I cant think of an imported component that China needs for its military.
          Food.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >decisive_tang_victory.png

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >I cant think of an imported component that China needs for its military
          >China's oil imports account for 70% of it's consumption and is expected to rise sharply to 80% un the next 5-10 years

          Oh, I can anon

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          China isn't self sufficient in microchip production or the shit they need microchips to make. That aside, they import a lot of food and have semi regular regional food scarcity panics and their industry also relies on raw material imports. Without imports, China's massive population turns from a major advantage to a major liability.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >USA doesn't have the industrial capacity to go to war with china
      You are basically implying that the US can't win with what's already there.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      this is a stupid fucking take. Do you think the dragon dildo factory, can be shifted to produce cruise missiles. Or the one making scooters can make wings for supersonic jets. Or the salad spinner factory can make tank barrels? This isnt 1940 buddy, general manufacturing is not useful for making modern weapons of war. And if you think any country in the world is making another ship after war pops off you are fucking delusional stealth bombers and cruise missiles from both sides would make laying down even a frigates hull impossible for either side.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Healthy young child goes to Steam, gets pumped with Paradox games, has no idea how military logistics works and changes - AUTISM. Many such cases!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      as i said in another thread to you, faglord, 30 years is not old for a ship.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        30 is very old for a ship you dumb dumb
        >The Navy would like to decommission four Ticonderoga-class cruisers at the end of their 35-year service; two Los Angeles-class attack submarines at the end of their 33-year service lives; and two Kaiser-class oilers at the end of their 35-year service lives.

        https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2022/04/04/us-navy-reveals-ships-facing-potential-decommissioning-next-year/

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >as i said in another thread to you, faglord, 30 years is not old for a ship.

        Amerimutts do not use rust resistant steel in their ships, as a consequence, the ships literally turn into red dust over time.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Historically, finance has been more determinant than manufacturing in war

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Hey Hapanda, still coping by pretending Chinese junks can compete with American naval engineering?

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    There is no such thing as peer to US.
    Unironically.
    Only thing that ever stooped US army is public opinion and politics.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >*Launches JASSMs and LRASSMs at 3 gorges and surface fleet
    >nothing personnel kid

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >>*Launches JASSMs and LRASSMs at 3 gorges and surface fleet
      personnel kid

      The narrow ledge at the upper part of the three gorges dam is like 45 meters wide.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        And?

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >true near peer
    what will they eat?

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >near peer

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Doesn't really matter if no one can ever actually put boots on the ground in the United States.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    In reality, South Korea and the JDF is China's peer

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    it's a bunch of weak as moron twinks who are even more indoctrinated than the vatmorons
    what do u think they can possibly do

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    No, I don't see China as suicidal. Possible sure, but unlikely. More likely would be a proxy war.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    China is deathly afraid of ever engaging in combat, it's why their military is mostly oriented around being flashy without concern for practicality and why they haven't gotten into a single conflict since their humiliation in Vietnam over 40 years ago.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This. China will always insist war is near to keep their serfs in line, and when it doesn't happen, "oh the West was scared". Meanwhile we use them as slave labor.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >china
    >near peer
    I'd bet a pretty penny they're going to have the same debut as the Russians have in Ukraine but worse even just against Taiwan. If they're smart all of this Taiwan bluster is just more saber rattling. The best way to retain that image of being powerful is to not gamble that image by trying to attack your neighbors when there's a very real risk of failure. Remember how much American table scraps have done for Ukraine, Taiwan has them too. A war with the US, a verifiably more powerful nation capable of waging war effectively on the other side of the planet, is a fucking retarded fight to pick.

    It'd also obliterate the Chinese economy because the US is it's biggest trading partner and America's allies are all over that list of important trade partners too. The rest of the world can always find someone else to manufacture our crap. China cannot replace all that foreign business if it were to suddenly go away. They would go from economic powerhouse to great depression status the moment war was officially declared with the US. They'd seriously be better off bumrushing Siberia than trying to take that damn island.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    In any conflict, the US would immediately and perpetually target China's fuel reserves with everything they have.
    Left with little domestic production capacity and a theoretical embargo enforced by US Navy, they would begin to rely on import from Russia solely via land (India would tell them to "absolutely get fucked lol").
    They have no nuclear capable carriers or subs.
    Their electrical grid is mainly fueled by coal and hydro, no matter how many inroads they are making towards nuclear.
    Fuel would evaporate rapidly.
    Transport and shipping would grind to a halt.
    Their ships would be stuck in port.
    A scenario of millions trapped in cities starving to death with little means of accessing plentiful farm produce in the countryside would be realistic.

    War could very reasonably be won without needing to fire a shot.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This. A carrier group here and a couple battalions of Marines in Singapore could choke them of their main oil route

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        (forgot pic)

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          how soon until the belt and Road initiative is finished?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Do you think the air defense and anti-ship missile capabilities of China are comparable to Serbia or Iraq?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        He does, the average Americans still think it's the 90s

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I fucking wish we were still in the 90s.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        We haven't seen anything from them to suggest otherwise. China seems deathly afraid of actually using their military for anything but marches.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          China's only half way through their military modernization. They straight up admit they aren't peers to the US yet, but aim to be so in 10-15 more years.
          Dismissing China is childish. They overtook the US in orbital rocket launches until SpaceX restored some pride. Their ship building capacity far exceeds the US's now, they have far more wharfs and shipyards and drydocks that have been churning out the worlds fleet of shipping vessels and tankers.
          Their military budget is heavily focused on new equipment and technology, with far less expenditures on maintaining foreign bases and aging equipment, and they get a better return for each dollar spent.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Thinking that wars are won solely with shiny toys is the sort of mistake China made in 1979 going into Vietnam.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              That's Russia's issue, but China is a different case. Russia's economy is like the size of Canada or Texas, and they're spread very thin. Maintaining vast nuclear arsenals, fleets in multiple theatres, a large airforce, massive stocks of old hardware that requires upkeep, etc.
              Perhaps china's hardware is all worthless junk, I don't think it's reasonable to assume that until it's demonstrated. Sure they make lots of cheap products, but they also make nuclear plants and weapons, rockets, satellites, electronics, and practically everything else.
              They also have the economy and industry to have adequate stock piles and produce continuously. Chinese SAM and anti-ship missiles aren't just vaporware meant for tradeshows like the SU-57.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >but they also make nuclear plants and weapons, rockets, satellites, electronics, and practically everything else.
                Just like russia ;>)
                >Chinese SAM and anti-ship missiles aren't just vaporware meant for tradeshows like the SU-57.
                nice cope

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >ignore the fact that US space access was reliant on Russia for a period, making exceptions to their own sanctions so they could keep importing nk33 and rd180 engines and hitching rides on the Soyuz
                >continue to ignore the economic and industrial differences between Russia and
                How about just have a grown up conversation about things? Quality things have been and are designed and built outside of America. China is not the same as Russia.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >China is not the same as Russia.
                Nice cope chang, it's even worse.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >They overtook the US in orbital rocket launches
            ...
            >Their ship building capacity far exceeds the US's now
            Commerical ships are not warships, we've been over this
            >Their military budget is heavily focused on new equipment and technology
            It was, it increasingly isn't. All those facilities you just mentioned have a cost and your Belt and Road is expressly about opening more in foreign countries (ie expensive)
            > they get a better return
            May I see it?
            >for each dollar spent.
            Interesting choice of currency you used

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Commerical ships are not warships, we've been over this
              Active commercial shipyards can switch to building military hulls over night. Building new infrastructure and training workforces takes years.
              >It was, it increasingly isn't. All those facilities you just mentioned have a cost and your Belt and Road is expressly about opening more in foreign countries (ie expensive)
              That's true, the more they build up the more they will have to spend on upkeep. They freed up a lot of budget before Xi by massively scaling down the largely infantry based army. The more they expand, the less will be available for r&d and acquisition. And as time goes on and things reach end of life, new production will go to maintaining rather than expanding stockpiles.
              China is still in a much better position in that regard than Russia or even America. Russia is a basket case, but even America's navy is getting long in the tooth.
              >Interesting choice of currency you used
              ?? Everyone talks about things in terms of dollars.
              >May I see it?
              Certainly. Just look where American manufacturing jobs ended up.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Active commercial shipyards can switch to building military hulls over night.
                No, they really can't. This wasn't even true during ww2 and it is worlds more difficult today
                >but even America's navy is getting long in the tooth.
                Once you've had a navy for more than a couple decades you can start to have an opinion on what is and isn't an old navy
                >Everyone talks about things in terms of dollars.
                Do they now? Well, isn't that an interesting tidbit
                >Just look
                May I see it?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >No, they really can't. This wasn't even true during ww2 and it is worlds more difficult today
                Shipyards and wharfs and drydocks are major infrastructure projects. Building hulls with different contours in a shipyard that's already running and churning out hulls is trivial compared to building and staffing new shipyards.
                If anything, it's simpler now than in WW2, because there are fewer specialized industries, like foundries for ship armor and barrels for massive guns, or analogue fire control computers. The main armament is missiles, and those share the same r&d and manufacturing base as land and air based ones.
                >May I see it?
                If you haven't heard of or seen the effects of outsourcing, you're not old enough to post here.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Shipyards and wharfs...
                We can go round and round on this but I'm just gonna invoke Hitchens's razor instead. I don't really care what you have to say if you have nothing to support it. I don't value your opinion.
                >If you haven't heard of or seen the effects of outsourcing, you're not old enough to post here
                Not interested in your deflections and personal attacks. You clearly have nothing to provide

                Good day

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >I don't really care what you have to say if you have nothing to support it. I don't value your opinion.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Building hulls with different contours in a shipyard that's already running and churning out hulls is trivial
                Wow. There aren't many ways to instantly discredit your opinion but you've stumbled across one anon, good job.

                >If anything, it's simpler now than in WW2, because there are fewer specialized industries
                OK cool, go and reproduce an Aegis combat system for us. Should be fairly simple right?

                Fucking idiot.

                Name one reason why China or the USA would end up at war.

                >The Chinese deciding to invade Taiwan
                >The Chinese accidentally shooting down a US fighter and it escalating from there
                >North Korea restarting the Korean War and China jumping in
                >China vs Japan 2.0 - The Sun Rises Again (2023, Action, Horror, Anime)
                >The US decides to do a deterrent exercise near Taiwan, the Chinese think its a ruse of war and someone starts shooting

                China has no interest in Myanmar.

                OK and this anon is just retarded.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >China vs Japan 2.0
                Japan has a lot of trade with China. We'll see if they are as cucked as the Germans.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >The Chinese deciding to invade Taiwan
                China will never invade Taiwan, they have nothing to gain from doing so.

                >The Chinese accidentally shooting down a US fighter and it escalating from there
                China would never shoot
                An apology and compensation for the fighter jet would suffice as it has in the past.

                >North Korea restarting the Korean War and China jumping in
                North Korea would never do something so retarded and China wouldn't support them if they did.

                >China vs Japan 2.0 - The Sun Rises Again (2023, Action, Horror, Anime)
                Never gonna happen, neither has a reason to fight the other.

                >The US decides to do a deterrent exercise near Taiwan, the Chinese think its a ruse of war and someone starts shooting
                China's not that retarded.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >conveniently leave out the "compared to building and staffing entirely new shipyards" part
                How is it not eminently self evident that converting existing industry to making a similar product is far simpler than just building that industry from scratch?
                Where do you think England's and the United State's naval production capacity came from in WW2? Built over night? Dormant shipyards waiting for war to be declared? Or already existing large commercial industries and all the infrastructure and experienced workforce that entails?
                >OK cool, go and reproduce an Aegis combat system for us. Should be fairly simple right?
                Missile systems can be adapted to different platforms. Making 16"+ barrels and 2 foot thick armor plates for WW2 era ships require their own heavy industry that doesn't share R&D or production with anything else. Look into how analogue fire control computers work, compare hand crafting those with using mass produced integrated circuits.
                It's rocket science, and China has a capable space program though. More successful orbital launches than the US in 2018 and 2019.
                >Fucking idiot.
                Can you golem not even entertain the idea of a credible threat, if only for the sake of an interesting discussion?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Can you golem not even entertain the idea of a credible threat, if only for the sake of an interesting discussion?
                Then frame it as such. If you say "wrong things" people are going to "correct" you. How do you not get that? If you want a "hypothetical" thought experiment discussion then lay that out in front.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                On space, nah. There are a lot of exciting activities in NASA happened at that timeline.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >China has a capable space program though
                Do they?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Wow. There aren't many ways to instantly discredit your opinion but you've stumbled across one anon, good job.

                Building a ship is welding pieces and plates of steel together. A commercial ship just has less frames and bulkheads than a military ship. So you are wrong.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I would love to see how the Chinese economy is going to support the next 10-15 years with this massive collapse of the housing market. You though 2008 in America was bad this shit is going to make that look like a minor stock drop.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              You understand that China has a managed economy, right?
              "Having too much wealth," is not an economic problem, and houses are wealth. It only becomes a problem if there's a retarded psychological reaction: "I cannot convert my house into as much paper currency. This makes me feel like I have less money. So, even though I have exactly as much wealth and I can still trade my house for an equivalent house, I will 'tighten my belt' and cut my spending."
              The corporations see this cut in spending and they start laying people off.
              The people see these layoffs and start spending even less.
              The corporations lay even more people off.
              The people spend even less.

              Congratulations on falling into a depression because people are dumb.

              China probably knows that the simple way around this is to prevent the corporations from firing anyone. Once people see their incomes are secure, spending returns to normal.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Look I've had two very large blocks of text eaten by the PrepHole gods. While it can look like that with a managed economy china is not that purely there is a lot that goes on behind the scenes. I'd recommend looking into it more, starting with how their housing market was effectively a giant ponzi scheme, leading to banks having to freeze accounts to prevent bank runs, and them taking loans from countries(like the US) to give loans to other countries in the BRI(neighboring counties "in their sphere). Russia literally just defaulted on a $100M dollar interest payment, meaning they can't pay back the ~$900M dollar loan they have. While I appreciate you trying to explain a managed economy to me sadly it's not as easy as government tells people what to do and they do it. Cause at the end of the day they need money to continue to pay their workers. On top of that factories are shutting down due to lack of electrical power cause hydro-electric power is getting cucked by a massive drought.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >"Having too much wealth," is not an economic problem, and houses are wealth

                What a retard take. Houses are not wealth. Houses are consumption items.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yes.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Isn't that what the vatniks are trying to do now with their strategic bombing of holol infrastructure? So it could work if you fuck up enough logistics and energy hubs. And the mutts could do 100x the damage.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    We should have never let those Frog morons get nukes

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    China cant afford a war, not in terms of money or resources (although those would be a motherfucker to get back after a kinetic asswhooping) But in terms of sheer propaganda cost. For decades the Party has been telling it's people that they can go toe to toe with the west and the Yankees are shit scared of confrontation after 20 years of killing in the sandbox.
    China has never had an Iraq, never had an Afghanistan, which means that it can create whatever facade it wants and spoonfeed it to the people. A Shooting war with the US would destroy that image more effectively than any cruise missile.
    Consider Putin, he's losing on the ground, sure but he's losing in an even more important front at home. The population is literally running away from the war because their idea of kicking Kiev's ass in two weeks was shattered and now they might be the corpses live on CNN.
    The CCP can barely get wet markets in the middle of Beijing to keep sanitation standards, how the fuck are they going to control a populace that doesnt believe in them as a whole?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The seething of Chinese netizens would be heard around the globe after a few defeats

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    China
    >Would be fighting much closer to home
    >1 billion nationalistic bugmen
    >Large industrial/manufacturing capacity

    USA
    >Has to fight all the way across the pacific (even with bases and the US's logistical capacity it's still a huge undertaking)
    >Wouldn't stir up national fervor like it would in China
    >US government and military are focused on nonsensical bullshit

    This isn't even to mention the degree to which the two countries economies are intertwined.

    Would the US win? I'm like 70-30 in favor of them winning but it depends on what the goal is. I see no way for the US to actually invade mainland China. Even a victory without invasion would be pyrrhic as fuck for the US.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Large industrial/manufacturing capacity
      Which they won't be able to feed without imports.
      >Has to fight all the way across the pacific (even with bases and the US's logistical capacity it's still a huge undertaking)
      >Would be fighting much closer to home
      >1 billion nationalistic bugmen
      With the US' logistics maxing, this won't be a problem for them and with it being a naval battle won't be as great an advantge for China beyond the availability of landing strips and missile range.
      >US government and military are focused on nonsensical bullshit
      The US military's current PC retardation still isn't as prominent as China's propaganda training. A disproportionate amount of it is dedicated to making sure the PLA is loyal to the CCP rather than actual training.

      I think a lot of it comes down to whether Chinese/American missiles/defensive systems work as well as advertised.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Chyna imports 90% of it's oil and doesn't have a fleet that can force project far enough to defend it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Even a victory without invasion would be pyrrhic as fuck for the US.
      I don’t see how anyone could come on top in a war like that. The world economy would eat a massive shit sandwich in case of a war no matter what, neither side could realistically invade to get any kind of decisive victory, and there’s no way that USA would leave the chip foundries in Taiwan intact for China to take if China was to win.

      So, a Chinese victory would mean
      >USA humiliated
      >China controls Taiwan wkth demolished chip foundries
      >world economy in such a horrible state that everyone would suffer, especially China

      USA wins
      >Chinks humiliated
      >status quo mostly remains geopolitically, but world economy in shambles

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        why would the world economy be a shambles if the chinks are humiliated?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Because movers like this stifle international investment.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Only if you act like an animal.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >xi´s family living in a western country and not in the "mighty china", just like they like it in russia

            no wonder they are friends

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Win or lose, the war would result in massive loss of trust towards Chinese, which would also be painful for the world trade considering how big China is on that front, and Taiwan too probably wouldn’t survive unscathed either. And even if we assume that everyone else would be happy to keep status quo as it is moving forward, the war would cause fuckhuge disturbamces in naval shipping.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        a war against china is guaranteed to leave SMIC and TSMC both in ruins, leaving all of the worlds semiconductor manufacturing in.. SK, SG, JP, US, GER, ISR..

        also known as not-fucking-china. who survives that world chang?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Nationalistic
      Not anymore. They're entirely self-interested from a combination of Little Emperor syndrome and living under commie rule.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    there is no true peer because overmatch works. their shit is made in china ffs
    hell, i bet we will even deploy A10s against them, we're still so far ahead that we will doubtlessly wipe out their anti air

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      All US mil equipment must be made, produced, and sourced from the USA. These stipulations are common knowledge, it's literally in the God Damn request the Gov puts out when sourcing gear.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        no shit. what has that got to do with anything?

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    No.
    War is bad for business on either side and there isn't really anything to gain for either party that would be worth the expenditure.
    The US will continue to keep forces in there to assure the security of their allies and China will keep posturing for the sake of keeping their people focused outwards rather than inwards.

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Another China vs US thread.

    Oh good, the countdown to CCP paid shills ignoring valid criticism and engaging in political shitflinging has begun

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    meta is shifting towards drone and missile spam, which the chinks may be quite good at.

    but this requires good ISR, which the US is unquestionably better at

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Chinks will get BTFO

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why should we? They're going to collapse anyday now

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      horse gas masks need to make a comeback

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The way I see it, while the US maintains its edge, at least one carrier group would inevitably be lost in the south china sea. Would it just go nuclear at that point? I have a hard time seeing top brass not chimping out and hitting nuke at that point.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Why would a conventional war go nuclear over a carrier group being btfo'd? Like, what makes that such a worse loss than something else?

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The only peer war in US history was the civil war, 1812 was us getting assraped, Mexican and Spanish wars were us stomping backwaters, and both world wars were us half-assing it and still winning easily due to industry and logistics. Any war between the US and China would be an absolute stomp in the US' favour. Better training, equipment, larger navy, less corruption, more developed and practiced doctrine, better logistics, and of course allies. If China and the US come to blows China is at bare minimum also fighting Britain, Korea, and probably Canada and Australia with likely France and much of NATO offering support whether or not they're obliged to because article 5 only covers Europe.

    The US would spend six months just wiping out the Chinese navy and air force and then roll over the Chinese army with air superiority, precision munitions, and a functioning logistics train. Remember the US was able to invade both Iraq and Afghanistan successfully, nations on the other side of the world, one of which is land locked and neither of which are known for having developed infrastructure. An invasion of China by comparison would be a logistical cakewalk.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Why didn't you do anything when Iran bombed your consulate this years? The missiles killed/ wounded over 300 mutts.

      US is the real paper tiger

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        What are we going to do embargo them? we already do that and we seize a shit ton of their oil exports and re-sell it for top dollar. They may bomb civilians but we bomb top brass, there is a difference.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        What are you even talking about? Do you mean when they rockt barraged NEAR the US Consulate in Iraq to protest Israeli attacks and zero US citizens or troops were injured?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Iran directly next door to Iraq whose army (one of the largest in the world) was turned into a collection of glowing craters within a month with 0 boots on the ground

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >America has a far superior navy
    >America has a far superior air force
    It won't be close at all

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why do you delusional retards think there's going to be a war between the US and China?

    Seriously, I expected more from PrepHole

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This. China is a society that's fundamentally averse to conflict. They haven't fought a war in 43 years and they have no intention of fighting a war for another 200. China will continue to isolate itself and bother nobody as the Chinese like to do while the rest of the world goes about its business.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Thucydides trap my friend

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          America isn't going to declare war on China, we have immense amounts of wealth stored in China.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            That's why we're trying to decouple with the chinese right now. It was fine back then when they were just a backwater country with a shitty economy, but now It has grown close to overtaking the US economy, and that makes then a threat

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    China won't go to war with America. Even if China felt like they could stand toe to toe with America. America already has a global strategic foothold. China's first war will just be fighting to get out of their country.
    And if China decides to attack America, China is going to also have to deal with everyone in NATO.
    It would take much more than just bolstering it's military for China to have a hope in fighting a conventional war with America.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      A war with China would likely be started over Taiwan, or if not them then some other American ally, which would trigger a much smaller alliance network.

      A war with just the US would be insane, cause the Chinese would need to sail across the Pacific to reach anything, and wouldn't get anything out of it, they're not looking to annex California, that would just mean you now have to govern California.

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Personally I don't think that China will invade Taiwan, they stand to lose too much economically by going to war with the US and saber rattling about Taiwan is a really nice distraction from internal issues

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I wonder what the cope will be when China defeats the US.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Mutts will cope the same way Chinese did after the Opium War.
      Westerners are talking about China the same way the Qing dynasty talked about the European before the opium war.
      >White barbarians can just copy
      >The barbarians can only lie and deceive, don't believe what they say.
      >Their Weapon are fake
      >Our generals just want more budget.
      >Inferior Barbarians are no match to our better trained troops.

      It's hilarious how history is repeating.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      China and the USA are never going to go to war. Why would they? Neither has anything to gain.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >China and the USA are never going to go to war
        >Earth flat
        >Moon flat
        >Nook fake
        Insert thought ending cliche. Time to pack it in boys this thread is closed.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Name one reason why China or the USA would end up at war.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Americans will go vatnik mode at the first but then we'll see national trauma in action after that.

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    let you in on a little know secret

    >The US & China will never go to war. There may be spats but never a war.
    Keep your eye on the ball. Its in TelAviv!

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >THE US GOVERNMENT HAS NEVER PROVOKED ANYONE

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Are we actually going to experience a true near peer war between the US and China?
    even in the small chance it does kick off, it'd really just be naval fighting.

  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The US is already fighting a proxy war with China in Myanmar right now.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      China has no interest in Myanmar.

  35. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The US is supporting terrorists in like the Baloch Liberation Army.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      China has no interest in Pakistan

  36. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Taiwan can't feed itself. Capitalism gas failed

  37. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    China is a fundamentally isolationist nation, they haven't gone to war with anyone in over 43 years for petes sakes, they're not gonna start now.

  38. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The State Department foreign service officers used to call him Show Me Cheque. Reminds me of Zelensky.

  39. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Is China proof that fascism breeds superior militaries?

  40. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Fun fact: china spends more importing computer chips than they spend importing oil. China has vowed to conquer Taiwan which is the worlds leading manufacturer of computer chips by 2049. US has pledged to defend them. We're basically locked in for WW3.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      China won't go to war for Taiwan, China isn't a nation that declares war on people.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        What? Where do you think all the jokes about "Decisive Tang Victory" and Vietnamese grandmothers come from?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >China isn't a nation that declares war on people.
        Russia seems to be invading Ukraine just fine without a declaration of war. Besides, I thought you chinks considered Taiwan to already be a part of your nation, how could you declare war on it?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Russia has always been much more aggressive than China, Russia had soldiers in several military deployments before Ukraine while China hasn't been involved in a military operation for over 43 years.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >China hasn't been involved in a military operation for over 43 years.
            Border skirmishes with India and Bhutan?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Not a military operation, just a brief accident.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                As defined by who?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                China.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You realize that if we use this logic that the vast majority of nations can claim "peaceful for decades."

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Perhaps, but not America.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                What are you talking about? We have been peaceful since September 2nd, 1945. That's 77 years of effectively pacificistic co-existence compared to the barbaric bugmen hordes who were killing people just 43 years ago!

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Not so. America has committed a military operation as recently as 2021.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                No. I get to decide that according to you. And none of that happened. Just mistakes and police actions since 1945. No military attacks. Glad we had this talk but frankly, just knowing how violent and brutal a people you are I don't think it'd be right of me to enterrtain you any longer. I hope you work on yourselves and stop being such savages soon. Peace and love! <3

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You are not China.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You are a gay

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Is that conventional warfare or are they just sending people in to fight each other with tools. China has more experience using military hardware on it's own citizens that is does on the Indians or Bhutanese.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      see

      a war against china is guaranteed to leave SMIC and TSMC both in ruins, leaving all of the worlds semiconductor manufacturing in.. SK, SG, JP, US, GER, ISR..

      also known as not-fucking-china. who survives that world chang?

      you have it completely ass-fucking-backwards: they would literally go from 'tenuous but improving supply of semiconductors' to 'literal stone age'

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Not any of those anons but who issues that guarantee? Like, all it takes is for China to BELIEVE that TSMC woun't be leveled (or can be quickly repaired) and then all bets are off. Right?

  41. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >near peer
    HAHAHAHAHAHA

    come and fucking try it chang, PLEASE try it, I am absolutely begging you PLEASE do it chang, I want nothing more than for you to show us your power, PLEASE use your nearest wunderwaffen on the nearest carrier group, I am begging you

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      China will first take away as many of possible of muttmericas allies, not all can be swayed away since their ownership class is the same as the american ownership class (that is, garden gnomes and garden gnome hybrids). Then, when muttmerica is reduced to muttistan + some has been shitholes like francongo and britbongistan, its time to start to push physical confrontation. This political offensive takes decades and started in the 90s. This is why muttrica is so much against the belt and road initiative.

  42. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >true near peer war
    I was going to type something inflammatory along the lines of "you're a retard for thinking chink zerg waves etc etc" but then I remembered zoomers are of fighting age now and are about on par with the subhuman tryhard chink.

  43. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The real threat the Chinese pose is the fact that they send a lot of students to the US to study at big colleges. These students then get into big research programs and then while working on them they send the information from their research home to china. They are stealing the innovative ideas out of American colleges, that are funded by American companies/US government.

  44. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Hitler practices National Socialism
    >results in a booming economy that develops an incredibly strong military
    >China practices National Socialism
    >results in a booming economy that develops an incredibly strong military
    I'm not saying there's a correlation but...

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Hitler practices National Socialism
      >acts like a tard and gets the whole World to turn on his country and butcher it
      >China practices National Socialism
      >acts like a tard and gets the whole World to turn on his country and butcher it

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Most of the world seems to stand with China.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          What is this supposed to depict? you having a laugh if you think same colour means allies?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >all the parts of the world that are poor and inhabited by literal nobodies

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Australia, Japan, South Korea, India
          >Standing with China
          Whew lad

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Hitler practices National Socialism
        >Britain, France, and US decide they want to go to war with Germany
        >Poland too retarded to realize they are bait
        >China practices National Socialism
        >Britain, France, and US decide they want to go to war with China
        >Taiwan too retard to realize they are bait
        History repeats itself anon, if only the allies were willing to negotiate peaceful terms the world wouldn't be thrown into war again

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          not even close to the same, the US didn't ever rely on Poland for their military hegemony
          >semiconductors

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Anon how do you think the US became the richest country in the world during the early 20th century? It was because the Entente payed the US with the world's supply of gold for war material, and then payed with massive loans. The US just came out of the great depression, the leaders wanted another war to become rich again, and that's why they wanted war with Germany. Poland just happened to be the perfect sacrificial lamb, since they were morons and refused to accept any deal from the Germans, and they divided German territory. Thanks to WW2, the USA became the richest country in the world for a second time
            >semiconductors
            Japan and Korea also produce these in mass quantity, just that Taiwan is cheapest outside of China (tariffs make it more expensive though). The US doesn't need Taiwan for resources, it only needs Taiwan to be a sacrificial pawn

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Retard, the US was already into a recovery period by 40, the war just jumpstarted the nascent industry that would have found work in either sides peace time

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You moron, having a recovering economy is vastly different from being the richest country in the world. The US went from being number 1 in 1918 to being 8th at best after the great depression, the federal government wanted to be number 1 again

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Taiwan too retard to realize they are bait
          They know they are bait, that's why they refuse to move tsmc to the US. They are not dumb like Ukrainian

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Hitler practices National Socialism
      >Coasts off the effects of the reforms of Brunning
      >STILL manages to go completely broke in 6 years
      It's almost like socialism doesn't work.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        hitler wasn't socialist he kept corporations around. he even gave them slave labor lmao

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >hitler wasn't socialist
          It's nice that such retarded opinions so clearly differentiate those who have any clue what they're talking about from people like you

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      he took jobs from people he didn't like and gave them to people he did, that's not creating jobs.

  45. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    ITT: Zhang samefagging for attention
    SAD

  46. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The good news is that time is on our side. China fucked itself with its one child policy, all we have to do is wait 50 years and China will become irrelevant all on its own.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Except most of robots and automation are in china. They have a higher robot per workers ratio than the west

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Because they already need those robots with their aging population. There's nothing stopping the west from suddenly deciding to build a fuckton of robots when they decide they want to increase production.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >There's nothing stopping the west from suddenly deciding to build a fuckton of robots when they decide they want to increase production.

          The west don't have enough power plant and infrastructure to support that many robots.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It's not hard to build more powerplants.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Sure, it's just gonna take you another 20yrs

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Only 5 years actually.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Try build 1000 now power plant in 5 years you dumb dumb

  47. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Russia just proved the Near Peer narrative is and was always a lie. There aren't even any near-near-peers.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah I fully expect China to pick on someone much weaker than the US and still get ground down to the point that they aren't taken seriously militarily for the rest of the century.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Imagine the scenes when west Taiwan attempts Normandy 2: electric boogaloo.

        I get hot and bothered just thinking about the amount of wumaos that will die screaming in burning ro-ros

  48. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Maybe next generation will.
    > It the closest country that has as much defense spending as the USA
    Also keep in mind dollar is worth much more outside of US military-industrial complex. Chink spending is probably already on pair with US in nominal dollars.

  49. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >peer
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH ----- China wishes

  50. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Can't wait to see Flankers take off from their new CATOBAR carrier

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
  51. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I cant wait for the dam to break

  52. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    when we go to war with china do you think public sentiment will be like it was with the japs? are we going to round up everyone of chinese descent and intern them? dibs on the twinks

  53. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Nah, the role of USA is to slowly decline and die while innovating all kinds of weapons for China to steal. Has been like this since the vietnam war at least.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      two more weeks gongfei moron

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        that's hate speech anon, you cant insult your chinese overlords like that. your lawmakers only have your best interests at heart, remember that.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >chang larping as chaim
          Hapa

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            close enough, I'm finnish.

  54. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Nope. China has literally 0 military experience against even C-tier opponents. Even if they somehow magically had superior tech to even the United States, their absolute lack of experience in the field of actual combat would mean they would easily get overwhelmed by battle-tested tactics and experienced units.

    I don't fear China one bit unless they had legitimate battle experience against another experienced and well equipped country. It's why they were trying to get British ex-fighter pilots to come in and train their own pilots because of the sheer lack of experience the Chinese have. And that doesn't just apply to piloting but all their branches of military.

  55. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    you dont "witness" near peer conflicts.. you just get nuked.. even if you dont get hit directly the internet will be cut for a few months MINIMUM, probably years before it's really usable

  56. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    There's literally not a country OR force on this planet that can truly be considered near peer to the U.S.
    hell I bet ukraine could take on china just based off of recent combat experience alone.

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