Are they mass producing shells, WW1 style?

Last year they only delivered 300k out of the 1M shells pledged, but they've managed to reach the goal now? How is that even possible?

Also, artillery thread. Post big guns.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Is this the Italian oto Melara 120mm stabilized autocannon for ships? Want to see it on top of an Abrams so badly lol

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        127mm, but yeah, it's that one. With Vulcano shells it's a slightly worse (but way cheaper) version of the Advanced Gun System from the Zumwalt.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This counts as self-propelled rocket artillery, right?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Where is this from? That Sturm looks sexy as frick

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Looks like Battlefield V.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I always thought of it more as an assault gun.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >I always thought of it more as an assault gun.

        It was, with a 38 cm mega-bolter. A powder charge launches the blunt nosed cylindrical bomb at 40 m/s, an onboard rocket engine then pushes it to about 250 m/s.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >I always thought of it more as an assault gun.

        It was, with a 38 cm mega-bolter. A powder charge launches the blunt nosed cylindrical bomb at 40 m/s, an onboard rocket engine then pushes it to about 250 m/s.

        It isn't an assault gun because it didn't do direct fire. The Germans called it an assault mortar.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Oh so that's where 40K stole the idea for Vindicators from.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Move slightly to the side of the tank's direct line of sight
      >you are now completely safe from the main threat
      What a dumbfrick design

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It has a ball turret, it can shift a bit left and right. Also, it's an assault gun. It wasn't designed to fight other armored vehicles, but rather support infantry and demolish structures with its 380mm rockets.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The factory setups already existed to do this. They were just ticking over enough to keep them out of mothballs. Takes time to ramp up especially when you are not really motivated.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Also need time to train employees to operate the production line.

      Especially if you're going from a single shift to a double or triple shift, that's a lot more bodies that need training which you may or may not be prepared to actually teach them, or you might need to develop a teaching pipeline from scratch.

      This shit takes time.

      Javelin missiles were having a similar issue I think they only had like 20-30 people trained to produce them so they're having to hire a bunch of new people to train while setting up a 2nd production line for 2025+.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Nah, no mass production needed. EU at full has immense shell production capacity, more than enough to dwarf Russia's without lowering quality, but it keeps the factories on low levels and producing other shit to avoid dropping the prices too low. If it had gone into war economy they'd have been reactivated long before now, but pushing everything without taking radical measures did take a while. Still, the lines are now back to full production. Some have been for a couple months. (Example: Indra in Spain has been producing at top capacity since before christmass), so now the vatniks will just have to deal with being massively outmatched on the artillery game... I mean, more than they already were.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >EU at full has immense shell production capacity, more than enough to dwarf Russia's without lowering quality,

      No it does not. Shell production is dependent upon steel production and ammonia production (for HE) and both have dropped hard in the EU as a consequence of american "inspired" green policies and the loss of nordstream gas. American "philantropists" are presently paying euroleftie activists to push for scrapping of hydropower plants and dams. They call themselves "save the wetlands".

      This "1 million shells" likely includes small autocannon shells which take a fraction of the raw materials of a 155 mm shell to produce. Biden is going to try to national guard armories for more shells to uhhhkraine.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Europe doesn't have enough raw materials to make 155mm shells
        fricking lmao

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          doesn't have enough raw materials to make 155mm shells
          >fricking lmao

          Not in a volume to compete with the russians, not until the green deindustrialisation policies and projects are rejected.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            No, anon. You're dense. The bottleneck is in specific shell manufacturing capacity not the raw materials jesus christ Europe has like 20x the GDP of Russia.

            Imagine saying Europe doesn't have enough steel but Russia does. Holy frick.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Not in a volume to compete with the russians
            You're an utterly clueless moron. Stop talking.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >STOP POWERING YOUR ALUMINUM SMELTERS WITH SOLAR! THAT'S UNFAIR! YOU HAVE TO USE OUR SHITTY OIL TO POWER THEM!
              Vatnik seethe is delicious anon

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Electricity--or even oil-fired burners--isn't good enough for virgin steel. You need to burn coke (essentially charcoal, but made with coal rather than with wood) in order to produce good steel from iron ore.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                LMAO. You're well over A CENTURY behind with that take. Electric arc furnaces for steel production were a widespread thing even during WWII.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >LMAO. You're well over A CENTURY behind with that take. Electric arc furnaces for steel production were a widespread thing even during WWII.

                We're talking about furnaces where iron ore aka "rust" is turned into pig iron while emitting humongous amounts of carbon dioxide.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >essentially charcoal, but made with coal rather than with wood
                So, uh, coal?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                He means coklng coal production of which crashed so hard in the 90s that Russia now imports it from China and guess who? I'll give you three guesses.....

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Today is the day I discovered Best Korea is unironically Best Korea

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Colombia?
                That's where I get all my coke from

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >we need more diet coke to steal some virgins from the iron oreos or something
                >you know, virgins, like in extra virgin oliver oil or however the heart is attacked
                >oil huh? Now I really feel like giving some bumfrickistanians some democracy and gender studies or however it goes
                >don’t you mean wyoming or west virginia or wherever the check is collected

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Dude i'm a Norktard and even i think this is some pretty bland kimchi.

                >Today is the day I discovered Best Korea is unironically Best Korea

                Digits of Kim Il Sung's birthday confirm it always was

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Kim Il Sung was born on the 15th of April 1912
                What are you on about, norktard?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The Birth of Kim Il Sung marks year zero of the Juche Calendar you uncultured western dwarf.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Steel need the hydrogen contain in the hydrocarbon (coal), just use pure hydrogen (produced with nuclear electricity) and laugh at the primitive.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >His country is still producing steel from iron ore
                >His country is still using actual, literal coal to produce steel from iron ore

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                NTA but how would you make steel without iron ore?
                or do you mean they mare it from the ore directly without refining it first?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                NTA but you can make iron from iron ore by using hydrogen to reduce iron ore (iron oxides) into crude iron metal instead of using carbon from coke.

                or in other words, iron ore gets transformed into iron by reacting it with hydrogen gas at super glowing hot temperatures. using coke is an older method but it emits carbon dioxide. using hydrogen emits plain water vapor instead.

                t. chemE

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Is this method relevant for mass production of steel?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Is this method relevant for mass production of steel?
                it is, it's not even a new technology, so far it has mostly been done with natural gas because it's cheaper, but it basically works the same way.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >it is, it's not even a new technology, so far it has mostly been done with natural gas because it's cheaper, but it basically works the same way.

                No. The direct reduction is a niche technology implementent very rarely. In germany, there was only one steel plant production facility using natural gas in Hamburg before the price explosion. I know of no one actually using hydrogen to do so because it is prohibitivly expensive. Also: It doesn´t work the same way. Using CH4 for reduction leads to some carbon in the steel which, depending on the application, can be beneficial or detrimental. The classical blast furnaces have become so efficient, the can´t really be beat when it comes to turning iron ore into iron and raw steel.

                t. material scientist

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                a majority of steel produced today is produced in electric furnaces using scrap steel

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >>His country is still producing steel from iron ore
                >>His country is still using actual, literal coal to produce steel from iron ore

                The only other way is to remelt scrap steel. Sure, there are exotic, expensive ways to make iron ore into steel, but they aren't used, because they are not competitive.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >>Not in a volume to compete with the russians
              >You're an utterly clueless moron. Stop talking.

              The Nordstream bombings killed multiple euro iron ore reduction furnaces and the green policies means that steel production (which produces lots of carbon dioxide) is heavily penalized. These facilities will not start up again since the gas supply is insufficent. This is why euro gas prices have "recovered", there has been a major drop in demand for gas.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >entire continent shifting towards renewable steel production
                This isn't the win you say it is.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Can produce steel anyways
                >Doesn't need oil
                How is that not a win?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                He's claiming that Europe took a hit, I'm saying that it did but it's irrelevant since it's going to move away from Russian gas now, which isn't the win he thinks it is. How am I saying it's not a win for Europe?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Ah, fair enough, got the two mixed up

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                continent shifting towards renewable steel production
                >This isn't the win you say it is.

                Green steel is a pipe dream.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah anon, yeah. Tell me, do they have unlimited femboys in your delusional headcanon?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Yeah anon, yeah. Tell me, do they have unlimited femboys in your delusional headcanon?

                The Swedish Hybrit green steel project is a disaster that will end up consuming billions of dollars to produce super expensive steel. The pipe dream here is that EU will tariff coal reduced steel to make green steel competitive, but this would murder the EU mechanical industry trough raw material starvation.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                how is it a disaster?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >how is it a disaster?

                So far it has produced nothing yet it has cost billions of dollars. And once it reaches full production, it will consume so much electricity that prices are predicted to raise to a level where power becomes several times more expensive. Hybrit is competing for electric power with another billion dollar globohomosexual green project called "Northvolt" which consists of battery assembly and charging and these two are competing for power with previous industry that survives because power is still very cheap in this part of Sweden.

                It is capital destruction on a grand scale. The only redeeming factor is that a large part of this capital comes from swedish boomer pension funds.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >renewable steel consumes electricity
                Yes, because you need to perform electrolysis of water to obtain hydrogen, which is very power hungry. This is something that western industry is capable of.

                Also lmao are you even capable of contemplating future events? Of course it's cost billions, it's being built you stupid frick.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Yes, because you need to perform electrolysis of water to obtain hydrogen, which is very power hungry. This is something that western industry is capable of.

                Coal is an energy source, one metric ton of antracite coal is like $120-150. Refining it into technical coal and then using it to reduce iron ore into pig iron is dirt cheap comparing with using gucci energy (electricity) to make hydrogen gas to reduce iron ore to iron.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                LMAO, delusional.

                Meanwhile in reality, electric arc furnaces are already considerably MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT than obsolescent coal-fired blast furnaces. They just require a level of infrastructure and technology that is beyond what's possible for seething thirdie shitholes, such as whatever benighted ghetto you crawled out of.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >globohomo
                opinion discarded

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                yeah the F-35 is a disaster, it cost over a trillion yet it hasn't produced enough planes to beat the F-16 in numbers yet (despite them overmatching f-16s easily where it matters)

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And yet the EU still produces damn near three times as much steel as Russia. QED.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Anyone that can't see how china is a massive problem in case of war is a fricking moron.

              Look that graph. It's insane. When you look at graphs about high grade steel types and aluminum or the alloys for advanced military production it's even worse.

              At this point s large part of the west weapons production is literally only able to ramp up by buying China's alloys because the wester politicians decide that saving 5% on Chinese made metals was preferable than some tariffs to keep the metal industry in the west.

              Now in the US there is literally only one factory remaining able to make military grade aluminum. China has dozens.
              If that factory gets sabotaged or blown up by some spy the US would not be able to make any planes and many types of missiles for at least several months but up to an Year as these facilities take years to build and longer to get production rolling reliably.

              Letting china make everything, in particular without abandoning communism, is the worst mistake in the west's history.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >in particular without abandoning communism
                And how exactly is China communist?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's run by the Chinese Communist Party

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                By that logic North Korea is a democratic country. After all, they call themselves the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                But they did abandon communism anon the only thing they really kept were the aesthetics socially and economically they are authoritarian state capitalists.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              surprised that the US produces less steel than Europe. Would've figured we'd be way ahead of them in that.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Y'know, you're right. I wonder why that is?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because it's cheaper to buy it from China and, unless you want to dabble in protectionism, you can't change that. Maybe not going full free market is a decent idea for strategic industries, who knows?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I mean, I get that, but at least according to that graph, we've maintained a consistent chunk of the steel insdustry. We went from 115 million metric tons in the '70s (when the steel industry famously slid into decline here) to 73 million metric tons in 2020. A decline, to be sure, but not quite as pronounced as you would expect with the way it gets talked about, and consistently less over that period than the Euros. According to that infographic, the Chinese don't even become the top steel producer until 1996.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Production number are meaningless without use context. The DPRK only makes around one million tons of steel annually but 80% is used directly in weapons production.

                They actually have a weird bottleneck where they make more high quality steel than low so they can make huge amounts of weapons/armor but can't produce enough rebar, it is why the hotel of doom is built the way it is.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >American "philantropists" are presently paying euroleftie activists to push for scrapping of hydropower plants and dams.
        You know that's bullshit. And yet, you still peddle it. Interesting.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          They always go for this shit anon, the concept that the west might be able to go for renewables and still be a manufacturing powerhouse terrifies them. Like, do you have any idea how bad things will get for the Russians, Saudis, etc if a lot of European/American power is suddenly from solar, nuclear, wind, hydroelectric, cars suddenly become electric (so less reliance on oil), rail transport becomes high speed and powered by renewable energy, etc?

          They could lose 40% or more of their collective GDP and more importantly most of their established industrial base. Imagine if overnight 70% of the American IT sector became literally, fundamentally useless due to idk AI or some shit. That's what they're looking down the barrel of, except they don't have enough slack in their economies to pick up the people who will be displaced. The oil industries going under in shithole countries could throw them into civil war.

          They're terrified and in that terror they project anon. The wind turbine scares the vatnik.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            We even have a great historical example.
            Once the atlantic slave trade ended, the Congo Kingdom imploded and became a backwards shithole at the mercy of it's neighbours.
            Imagine what will happen once oil is no longer needed for cars in the west, lol.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You are right anon. I don't know how people fail to see this happening. There are a shitload of nations that their entire economy is based on the extraction of a single resource. Of course a reduction in oil usage by probably the most oil hungry nation on earth would be a massive threat.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Oh its not just that. No this is about power dynamics. See, they had convinced themselves the EU was just a coalition of slave states, nothing but the colonies of the USA. That it would buckle under the slightest pressure as soon as the overlord wasn't at the top of its game.

            For years they've jerk offd themselves about how Europe was a fallen continent and it was now the browns' turn to rule, BRICS' TURN TO RULE. About how renewables were just fifth columnists destroying europe's infrastructure, how service economy made you weak, how they and they alone with their vast natural resources centralized on authoritarian regimes would inherit the future, because OBVIOUSLY democracy must be a failed experiment! No really, just look at China's cope about absolutism being "the system of the future" and the EU being "backwater" and "primitive"...

            And now one of those morons finally went and tried to "begin the era of the new multipolar world"... Not only has the EU not buckled. Not only has the EU not turned on its master. But first it has devastated their economy with sanctions, then it has pushed the fifth columnists into irrelevance to the point even Orbán has had to shut up and sign, and now it has proceded to casually outproduce their pityful MICs by simply reactivating the factories they thought destroyed.

            They thought they were clever stockpiling cold war era trash. They thought "muh global south" would unite and the west would flee. And now... As BRICS recoils in fear of sanctions and tries to play nice, the EU decided to reveal it had been fighting with both hands tied behind its back and proceded to untie just one. And it was enough to surpass even what their goal was, which is already more than enough to surpass what Russia can get its hands on even with all the smuggling and nork stockpiles in the world.

            Their entire worldview was based on them being "superior" to the libs. And now EU showed they spent the last century wishing a homie would.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              EU Defense Initiative soon.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          "philantropists" are presently paying euroleftie activists to push for scrapping of hydropower plants and dams.
          >You know that's bullshit. And yet, you still peddle it. Interesting.

          These people are quite real and so are the sources of their funding. They have zero support among the populace.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >These people are quite real and so are the sources of their funding.
            Name one (1) of the aforementioned morons

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              The sierra club and their ilk hate river based hydro power over it's effects on fish migration, Salmon in particular. They don't want to eliminate the idea but do want existing dams to be removed or rebuilt to mitigate the issue.

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_debate#Environmental,_social_and_legal_considerations

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Salmon
                >Europe

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Salmon in north america, Europe obviously has other relevant species like eels.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Salmon in north america, Europe obviously has other relevant species like eels.

                Yeah its the angle the use here. We need to save the eels and tear down dams that have been in place for 100+ years.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                But we have salmon?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                S-A-L-M-O-N-S

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Implying Finland exists

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous
              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Norwegian, Swedish and Scottish salmon is unironically better than North American Salmon.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >

                Salmon in north america, Europe obviously has other relevant species like eels.


                >

                https://i.imgur.com/xtIDVwT.jpg

                But we have salmon?
                Even my bloody country, Spain, has Salmon wtf are people about no Salmon in europe I mean its scarce in the south but the north produces a ton!

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >american
                >education

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              people are quite real and so are the sources of their funding.
              >Name one (1) of the aforementioned morons

              https://www.eugyppius.com/p/meet-the-bizarre-german-climate-activists

              "Like many of other activist organisations devoted to attacking museum art, the Letzte Generation are bankrolled by the Climate Emergency Fund, a California-based non-profit co-founded in 2019 by oil heiress Aileen Getty:

              Margaret Klein Salamon, the fund’s executive director, pointed to social movements of the past — suffragists, civil rights and gay rights activists — that achieved success after protesters took nonviolent demonstrations to the streets.

              “Action moves public opinion and what the media covers, and moves the realm of what’s politically possible,” Ms. Salamon said. “The normal systems have failed. It’s time for every person to realize that we need to take this on.”

              So far, the fund has given away just over $7 million, with the goal of pushing society into emergency mode, she said. Even though the United States is on the cusp of enacting historic climate legislation, the bill allows more oil and gas expansion, which scientists say needs to stop immediately to avert planetary catastrophe.

              The Climate Emergency Fund covers the activists’ expenses and even pays modest salaries to key figures. There has been much press discussion about whether the penalties for blocking traffic should be increased, but it seems to me that the far more pressing question, is why American non-profits funded by oil money are paying climate activists to disrupt traffic and demand speed limit and transit policy changes in Germany in the first place; and how it is remotely acceptable or even legal for them to do this."

              So how do you propose we deal with americans that stir up shit abroad?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Mozambique drill would probably do the trick.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >"americans"
                Aileen Getty and ilk like her are as American as Klaus Schwab.
                We aren't terribly huge fans, either.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >euroleftie activists to push for scrapping of hydropower plants and dams.
          This is actually happening, not sure who initiated it though, probably some brained EU greengays.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's a million 155mm shells, you braindead moron.

        >muh steel and ammonia
        You mean cheap basic materials that the EU countries can and do import en masse? Yeah, you're just completely fricking clueless.

        >lefties
        >scrapping hydropower
        Confirmed for knowing literally less than nothing about european politics.

        Tl;dr: You're a braindead, moronic zigger shill and most likely brown. Consider a rope.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Small correction. No I'm pretty sure its not all 155m. Most are, but there's also a small portion of 120mm and even a much smaller portion of 105mm for the odd mountain gun like picrel. But the large majority is 155 much like the large majority of guns sent to ukraine are 155 too.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Small correction. No I'm pretty sure its not all 155m. Most are, but there's also a small portion of 120mm and even a much smaller portion of 105mm for the odd mountain gun like picrel. But the large majority is 155 much like the large majority of guns sent to ukraine are 155 too.

            Bulgarian 152 and 122 mm too. And dont forget 81 and 82 mm mortars.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Anyone who thinks a 105mm or 81/82mm round is nothing is coping btw. 120mm mortar rounds are fricking terrifying, a 70 meter kill radius, 7 km range if you use full charge.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Anyone who thinks a 105mm or 81/82mm round is nothing is coping btw. 120mm mortar rounds are fricking terrifying, a 70 meter kill radius, 7 km range if you use full charge.

                My point is that the EU commission bullshit about 1 million shells is nothing more than bullshit. It was only 600 K shells so far and it is already february, and it turned out that it wasn't 155 and 152 mm only, it was also far smaller and much less resource consuming shells too. Meanwhile the russians shits out millions of 152 mm shells from their coal fueled factories fed with coal reduced steel from their coal fired steel mills. GDP does not equal production of physical goods.

                If you do not take offense when you get bamboozled, you are a cuck and an idiot.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >it was only 600k shells!!!
                Lmfao. You are pathetic. Also bragging about having exceptionally dirty industry doesn't make you look good.

                Please go to the front and see how worthless 120mm mortar rounds are btw. Report back with your findings.

                >Yeah anon, yeah. Tell me, do they have unlimited femboys in your delusional headcanon?

                The Swedish Hybrit green steel project is a disaster that will end up consuming billions of dollars to produce super expensive steel. The pipe dream here is that EU will tariff coal reduced steel to make green steel competitive, but this would murder the EU mechanical industry trough raw material starvation.

                Yeah, no. It's going to happen and you're going to complain about it, since we all know what Europe being disconnected from Russian oil/gas will do to your shithole.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >only 600k
                600k out of 1 million after half the delivery period. Do the math.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >>only 600k
                >600k out of 1 million after half the delivery period. Do the math.

                600K after 80% of the delivery period has passed.

                LMAO, delusional.

                Meanwhile in reality, electric arc furnaces are already considerably MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT than obsolescent coal-fired blast furnaces. They just require a level of infrastructure and technology that is beyond what's possible for seething thirdie shitholes, such as whatever benighted ghetto you crawled out of.

                >Meanwhile in reality, electric arc furnaces are already considerably MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT than obsolescent coal-fired blast furnaces

                Electric energy is gucci energy. Simple thermal energy is just heat. Using gucci energy to melt materials is expensive and can only be done economically if there is cheap local surplus production (read hydropower) that cannot go elsewhere due to lack of an electric grid. Otherwise the arc furnace is simply priced out of the market by other electricity users. Electric arc furnace steel production is a tiny fraction of what comes from thermal furnaces.

                You sound like you refuse to accept any information which isn't yelled at you by an loud, angry, illiterate AM radio host.

                >You sound like you refuse to accept any information which isn't yelled at you by an loud, angry, illiterate AM radio host.

                You sound like you have black hair, dark eyes and dusky skin, and work at a place called "Fort Eglin". Bix nood mufuggah, gnomesayin as they say in your language.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Electric energy is gucci energy. Simple thermal energy is just heat. Using gucci energy to melt materials is expensive and can only be done economically if there is cheap local surplus production (read hydropower) that cannot go elsewhere due to lack of an electric grid. Otherwise the arc furnace is simply priced out of the market by other electricity users. Electric arc furnace steel production is a tiny fraction of what comes from thermal furnaces.

                LMAO, you're yet again literally over half a century behind the times with your claims. In any country with a proper power infrastructure, a modern electric arc furnace powered by a modern coal power plant will LITERALLY USE LESS COAL than your vaunted thermal furnaces to produce the same amount of steel.

                Technology, motherfricker. It has marched on. It least outside whatever thirdie shithole you live in.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >after 80% of the delivery period has passe

                2 out of 6 months is 80% now? LMAO, you're moronic. Just end yourself, lying thirdie.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Meanwhile the russians shits out millions of 152 mm shells from their coal fueled factories
                So how is it that they're firing barely more or even LESS shells than the Ukrainians, despite buying shitlaods from North Korea? Oh btw, how is it that they have to buy shitlaods of shells from motherfricking North Korea despite these mythical millions they're supposed to be producing themselves.

                >muh coal reduced steel
                Unneccessary for shell production.

                >coal fired steel mills
                Also unnecessary for shell production. Unless you're a backwards shithole that's cut off from global markets by sanctions, that is.

                >GDP does not equal production of physical goods.
                Yes, jsut take a look at Russias GDP, which when it's not based on outright lies and fraud is chiefly made up of raw materials, with a weak and backlwards industrial production sector only accounting for a miniscule fraction of it. Hence why Russia for example struggles to produce even 1/3rd as much steel as the EU.

                >If you do not take offense when you get bamboozled, you are a cuck and an idiot.
                Well, that's a roundabout way for you to admit to being a cuck and an idiots, on top of a clueless subhuman zigger shill.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >So how is it that they're firing barely more or even LESS shells than the Ukrainians, despite buying shitlaods from North Korea?
                Obviously lots of smooooking accidents, anon

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >So how is it that they're firing barely more or even LESS shells than the Ukrainians,
                WHAT? LMAO

                Basically all interviews of piggers since the great counter-oink disaster ended have confirmed Russian daily shell use is much higher, often by 5x-10x

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Welcome to reality, zigger. All those blown up russian ammo dumps and russian supply lines under constant drone and artillery interception are having a rather significant effect on things.

                >muh cherrypicked interviews
                Nobody cares. Cold, hard statistical fact is not changed by an interview.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        https://www.google.com/url?q=https://ec.europa.eu/docsroom/documents/4165/attachments/1/translations/en/renditions/pdf&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjd56D0touEAxW4hv0HHX7BCl0QFnoECAQQAw&usg=AOvVaw14VbYVKHZoXO5oCzgNRdBM
        The EU literally has an ammonia production capacity of 21 million tonnes. For comparison, the USA's is 14, and so is Russia's (according to their, probably fricked, numbers).
        EU's peoduction of ammonia in times of peace decreases, but the plants never closed. Its been increased since the war started and will continue being regulated as necessary. No need to make more ammonia than you use.

        Same goes for steel. https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/eu-steel-demand-slide-3-2023-industry-group-cuts-outlook-2023-07-26/ EU steel production is 152 million metric tons. The only country above the EU is China. When you're already the world's 2nd largest steel producer it doesn't matter if you're producing a bit less than yesteryear. Not to mention how cheap imports are right now anyway.

        You're just paranoid. The greens haven't accomplished shit if their goal was to stop shell production.

        Abd no btw. Autocannon shells, believe it or not, are not classified as artillery shells. Obviously. Again, I've seen how one of Indra's production lines started activating until it got to full capacity. And the vatniks wish non-NATO countries could get to that level. Its a wonder what the magic of palletized logistics and a competent workforce does.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You sound like you refuse to accept any information which isn't yelled at you by an loud, angry, illiterate AM radio host.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        we have some of the best mines for iron and steel here and i think we've got decent production too, and if not, down south there certainly is
        t. sweden

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There's a shitload of cope in this thread about this but this is the truth. EU weapons production at this point is just an idiot putting a single rivet in a eurofighter made with all imported parts and then saying "yay we're industry superpower". Europe's basically forgotten how to extract resources from the earth, what would the even make the shells out of? The million shells will be low caliber autocannonslop while the US ends up bearing the brunt of all of the aid. Again, EU better step their game up before Trump wins.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          cope

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          ARe you brown or just shilling so those non existing military products wont tear you a new butthole in the trenches of Ukraine?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Ok Zoomer.

          Samegayging is the last attempt at salvation from the eternally butthurt, you know?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Sad cope vatnik-kun.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you cannot actually be this delusional

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Everything he stated is the objective, proven truth, though? I guess you'll jsut have to cope, seethe and dilate about it like a good little vatBlack person.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Ukraine needs on-site ammo factories.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >How is that even possible?

    Everyone really, really hates Russians.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's called KIEV. It's always been Kiev, i hate when journos do this

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Eh, I also call it Kiev out of habit. However, b***hing about it being spelled Kyiv makes you moronic.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        homosexual/cuck

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >You have to call it Kiev, REEEEEEEEEE
          >You have to call it Kyiv, chud
          Both takes are moronic

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I used to spell it Kiev, but then I realised that just the simple spelling change sends chuds into overdrive, so now I spell it Kyiv always.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        same. Only russians and their bootlickers would use russian version of the city's name

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I spell it Kyiv because it makes brown people and White race traitors seethe.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's queef, bigot.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >The traditional etymology, stemming from the Primary Chronicle, is that the name is a derivation of Kyi, the legendary eponymous founder of the city.
      Seethe, zigger

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      did you also get mad when everyone started calling chile chill-eh instead of chilly?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Kiev is a chicken cutlet with butter in the middle, the frick you on about

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ?si=jvpJtst84Qca0Msm

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's called Muscovy.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If the Turkeys can change their entire country to Turkiye the Ukes can change their international capital pronounciation in a bit of patriotic fervor

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And yet, everybody calls it Turkey. Changing the way others refer to you is borderline impossible, even if you've got the media to follow the new pronounciation/spelling

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        didn't they give up on that "IT'S TURKIYE" shit

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The roaches never give up. Its just that no one pays them any attention.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's called Kijów actually.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You can call it whatever you want

      Ua-anon

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Cities are legally allowed to change their name or the spelling of their name.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not if you already have a signature dish named after your city. Check the McCormick convention.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        But it wasn't changed, it was always Kyiv in Ukrainian. Idk why people act as if changing the way it is used now internationally from Russian pronunciation to Ukrainian one is so controversial.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Cities are legally allowed to change their name or the spelling of their name.

          To cope with the fact their over glorified dialect is dying by trying to gaslight everyone into thinking it's always been different than how it should/always has been spelled? BrB renaming Boston Bawston cause that's how they say it in Bostonian

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i just call it kiew

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >How is that even possible?
    Rheinmetal, mostly

    Still not too late to buy shares. Things are only going to up until TZD has been achieved, you know.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Just bought some shares, thanx anon

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    A month ago there was crying that they couldn't do it, what changed?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      the Bulgarians and Romanians started to carry hard

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Collecting metals is one of their strongpoints.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    But I thought the West was running out of ammo

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Implessive!

    Now increase that number twelve times and the entire EU can equal one month of Best Koreas output.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Implying nork propaganda numbers are real
      If they wanted to make shitty shells, they could do more than 12x, however, professionals have standards.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I wonder how can they churn out so many shells with no iron imports and their workers eating grass like goats because there's nothing left

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Norks are self sufficient in iron, extra and food are obviously coming from Russia.

        Norks can produce 12 million shells a year? I know they're using the military and their MIC to keep people employed but there's no way they would ever need that many unless they throw them away as soon as they make them

        Long term no but they have a huge surge capacity.

        Ah yes, North Korea is producing 12 million shells annualy. Cool story, bro.

        Took them a month to come up with a million and counting, took the EU a year and they had to outsource.

        Posted today on ISW:
        >The European Union (EU) will reportedly fall short of its promise to provide Ukraine with one million artillery shells by March 1, 2024, as European leaders call on EU member states to intensify deliveries of ammunition to Ukraine. Bloomberg reported on January 31 that Western diplomats stated that EU partners will only deliver 600,000 artillery shells to Ukraine by the March 1, 2024 deadline.[20] European Union (EU) Internal Market Commissioner Thierry Breton stated on January 20 that the EU will have the capacity to produce one million shells per year by March or April 2024 and will ensure that it delivers the “majority” of the shells to Ukraine.[21] German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, Danish Prime Minister Metter Frederiksen, Czech Prime Minister Petr Fiala, Estonian Prime Minister Kaja Kallas, and Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte acknowledged that the EU fell short of its promise to deliver one million shells to Ukraine by March 2024 in a letter published by the Financial Times on January 31.[22] The letter noted that new orders for artillery ammunition will not reach the battlefield in Ukraine until 2025 and urged the EU to find ways to accelerate the delivery of promised shells to Ukraine, either through provisions of existing stocks or through joint procurement efforts.[23]

        Oh wait, the EU hasn't actually made a million yet. Shamefu dispray.

        Russia will lose of course, just pointing out that after they REALLY need to pay their bills lest they get reminded whose clay Haesamwi belongs to.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Took them a month to come up with a million and counting
          They pulled it out of stocks.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Raiding your old storehouses does not equal production, Kim.

            Obviously they are saving the new stuff for the true enemy while letting their slavic puppet wear down Finlands mercenaries.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Raiding your old storehouses does not equal production, Kim.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >pic
          anime is banned in Nork tho

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The Korean people have no need of inferior copies of Korean art.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              but he just posted it and I found it's funny that he is rooting for da shithole with pic that is banned in one loooldosos

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Nah.

              >anime is banned
              Best Korea can't stop winning

              >he doesn't know about the black market.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >anime is banned
            Best Korea can't stop winning

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Best Korea can't stop winning Darwin Awards
              yeah no cap fo sho

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                but he just posted it and I found it's funny that he is rooting for da shithole with pic that is banned in one loooldosos

                >anime is banned
                Best Korea can't stop winning

                Juche extends to everything including animation, kids cartoons there are pretty interesting......

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Norks can produce 12 million shells a year? I know they're using the military and their MIC to keep people employed but there's no way they would ever need that many unless they throw them away as soon as they make them

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Ah yes, North Korea is producing 12 million shells annualy. Cool story, bro.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Hey for a moment I though he was dancing Gangnam style.

      I know Sumire is a russiboo but it would be absolutely funny if she did an edited version of Dame Dinero cosplaying as Marishka:

      >American "philantropists" are presently paying euroleftie activists to push for scrapping of hydropower plants and dams.
      You know that's bullshit. And yet, you still peddle it. Interesting.

      No, seriously, this one comes to mind when I heard about these philantropists:

      >You exploit a whole kingdom for your personal greed; and, under the guise of disinterested statesmanship, you swindle the king, beggar the rich, oppress the poor, and sacrifice the whole future of the nation for your ruthless ambition. You are no more than a fat hog with his snout in the trough. You are a greater thief than I am. This Cimmerian is the most honest man of the three of us, because he steals and murders openly.

      Remember back when Eugen added pic related to the Cartel? Kinda sad nowadays they can't even have koksan.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    that's cool but if the shells ain't at the front then who gives a shit. it's gotten really dire with the lack of arty support.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Europe is right there, doesn't take too much to get the shit to Ukraine.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        2 more weeks and they're gonna get them right?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          No, cumrat, that's when Avdeevka will be taken*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/O4F7vem.gif

      2 more weeks and they're gonna get them right?

      They're being continously delivered, moron. Fast enough that they're well ahead of schedule, at that.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    We need to re-industrialize. Agreed?

    https://nationalinterest.org/feature/can-we-please-stop-comparing-russia%E2%80%99s-economy-italy%E2%80%99s-206404

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Article criticizes “the West” for relying too much on the service sector
      >Muh industry, that's what you need
      Russia's economy is primarily built on exporting natural resources, they lost most of their industry after the collapse of the USSR.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Kept this one saved for occassions like this.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Saved.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Also interesting that Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, Germany and Switzerland got the most sophisticated economy's.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Daily reminder that Russia has severe trouble making tanks and aircraft from scratch. Their delivery of fighter aircraft last year was like 20 airframes in total.

        Electricity--or even oil-fired burners--isn't good enough for virgin steel. You need to burn coke (essentially charcoal, but made with coal rather than with wood) in order to produce good steel from iron ore.

        If you weren't born in Vladivostok and trained by some Babushka on how to speak English you'd know that i wasn't talking about steel. By the way my shithole country produces about 90% as much steel as Russia does with 10% the population.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Daily reminder that Russia has severe trouble making tanks and aircraft from scratch.
          russia has severe trouble making eggs.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Well, at least Russia is good at measuring the eggs they've made.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Did you miss the part where the thread topic is about steel, rather than aluminum? Heck, forget solar, the US was using hydroelectric dams to make aluminum a century ago, but that's somewhat irrelevant when it comes to the subject of making artillery shells, which use steel. Hence, solar is largely irrelevant except inasmuch as it can be used to power electric arc furnaces, which are great at recycling old steel, but not so much for making fresh steel from ore.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Electric arc furnaces can do both, but they're not as cheap no since its mostly burning fuel with extra inefficiency steps.
            Personally I'm game for dumping all the high output from wind and solar into cheap steel during off-peak if we're going deep into renewables and nuclear anyway.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              How soon till we get renewable power tanks?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Recycling scrap via EAF is actually highly energy-efficient compared to primary steel production via blast furnace.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The real problem with arc furnaces and electric smelting in general is that you need the electrical infrastructure to power the damn things. No wonder shitholes like Russia and their supporters (that guy) dismiss them, they can't run them.

                Aluminum production is 10% of Australia's energy demand and they produce about 25% of Russia's aluminum output. I am stunned that vatniks talk shit about western industry when this information is publicly available.

                Waiting for the vatnik to say that aluminum doesn't count and nobody cares about it btw. I wonder how many M113s even 1% of Australia's monthly aluminum production could make?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Electric arc furnaces can do both
              They can't.
              >but they're not as cheap
              They're cheaper, because they base product is already steel and not ore + coal.
              >since its mostly burning fuel with extra inefficiency steps
              Depends where your power is coming from, but generally true.

              The real problem with arc furnaces and electric smelting in general is that you need the electrical infrastructure to power the damn things. No wonder shitholes like Russia and their supporters (that guy) dismiss them, they can't run them.

              Aluminum production is 10% of Australia's energy demand and they produce about 25% of Russia's aluminum output. I am stunned that vatniks talk shit about western industry when this information is publicly available.

              Waiting for the vatnik to say that aluminum doesn't count and nobody cares about it btw. I wonder how many M113s even 1% of Australia's monthly aluminum production could make?

              >No wonder shitholes like Russia and their supporters (that guy) dismiss them, they can't run them
              Russia has a bunch of nuclear reactors, they could (during soviet times, god knows if they would be capable now) have build arc furnaces.
              They probably never did because they have shitloads of coal and iron, so they are running blast furnaces anyways and you can dump your scrap into those just as well.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >solar is irrelevant except for when you're making steel
            >arc furnaces can't make new steel
            Yeah. Please don't try to educate actual westerners on heavy industry. Again, my country makes about as much steel as Russia does which is fricking pathetic.

            Russia's export commodities need to be attacked directly. Above all, its oil.

            Again that's why you want renewables and domestic industry. Hard for Russia to elbow its way into the supply chain if there's no real demand for oil.

            But we can build a lot more automated assembly lines to make war machines.

            That too, 200 F-35s a year is it now?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Once we have the industry to fight China, China won't frick with us.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Once we have the industry to fight China, China won't frick with us.

                Chian produces over 1 billion (1000 million tons) of steel annually. They are the biggest industrial country in the world.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >chinese_rebar_bending.webm

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Every time that WebM gets posted I post "That's just how strong the Chinese man is" and I always get some hahas.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Either that or you could just post the DO NOT LEARN MANDARIN image.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >muh fresh steel
            Uh huh. Because clearly, buying scrap metal (or, shock, horror, recycling your own scrap) is not an option for anyone, ever. Nor is buying raw steel on the international market, especially not for literally the richest countries on Earth.

            No, clearly Europe has a enormous invisible steel shortage compared to Russia, despite producing literally like 3 times as much steel annualy.

            Just. Stop. Talking. moron.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              So blow up Russia's steel refineries and even the odds.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          And my point is, we should be able to outproduce the Russian barbarians easily. Crush the scum.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Posted today on ISW:
    >The European Union (EU) will reportedly fall short of its promise to provide Ukraine with one million artillery shells by March 1, 2024, as European leaders call on EU member states to intensify deliveries of ammunition to Ukraine. Bloomberg reported on January 31 that Western diplomats stated that EU partners will only deliver 600,000 artillery shells to Ukraine by the March 1, 2024 deadline.[20] European Union (EU) Internal Market Commissioner Thierry Breton stated on January 20 that the EU will have the capacity to produce one million shells per year by March or April 2024 and will ensure that it delivers the “majority” of the shells to Ukraine.[21] German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, Danish Prime Minister Metter Frederiksen, Czech Prime Minister Petr Fiala, Estonian Prime Minister Kaja Kallas, and Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte acknowledged that the EU fell short of its promise to deliver one million shells to Ukraine by March 2024 in a letter published by the Financial Times on January 31.[22] The letter noted that new orders for artillery ammunition will not reach the battlefield in Ukraine until 2025 and urged the EU to find ways to accelerate the delivery of promised shells to Ukraine, either through provisions of existing stocks or through joint procurement efforts.[23]

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Cool story. The 1 million plege was to the end of spring, however, not March 1.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's because we need to make our WAR sector strong again.

      >Sapir notes that, over the past fifty years, Western economies have become increasingly dominated by service sectors, which, while contributing to GDP calculations, lose their importance during times of conflict. In such situations, it is the production of physical goods that matters, and by this measure, Russia’s economy is not only stronger than Germany’s but also more than twice as robust as France’s. Furthermore, Russia’s dominant position in the global energy and commodities trade—as it is a key producer of oil, gas, platinum, cobalt, gold, nickel, phosphates, iron, wheat, barley, buckwheat, oats, and more—provides it with substantial leverage over markets and economies, making it less susceptible to sanctions and less easily cowed by Western pressure. This reality has not been lost on many nations in the Global South, who have been reticent to support Ukraine in its struggle against Russian aggression.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >WAAAH SERVICE SECTORS ARE BAD!
        No, they are a sign of an advanced high tech economy. We literally have so many intelligent university trained people that some of them have to work as baristas, DJs, etc because we physically cannot scale up F-35 production any higher. Russia is a shithole oil state.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          But we can build a lot more automated assembly lines to make war machines.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Russia's export commodities need to be attacked directly. Above all, its oil.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >tfw WWIII starts and there's a barista shortage a year into it

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >We literally have so many intelligent university trained people that some of them have to work as baristas, DJs, etc
          that's not a good thing. having educated people serve fricking coffee is a waste, unless they work near me and are hot as frick

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Fricking idiots.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Aww, you mad your moroniation about "muh steel production" got called out with hard facts and evidence? Get fricked, zigger tard. I hope the ukies cube your ass.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >EU grants 54 billion usd to Ukraine
    >EU is sending 1 million shells a year after a couple months of preparation
    >Biden found a way to arm Ukraine without Congress
    >corvette and 3 planes go boom
    Just when I thought things were looking down. Thank you western MIC!

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Biden found a way to arm Ukraine without Congress
      Care to share anon

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Care to share anon
        The trick is to grease the wheels by going through Greece

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Not the anon in question but it's some really indirect autism where greece gets given some upgraded hardware for "free" on the condition that they send their old shite the upgraded hardware is replacing to Ukraine. Very indirect and just straight up giving Ukraine the stuff would be a lot more efficient but it's something.

          I am afraid it is going to be very limited and will not include ammunition for AA or F16 that are needed
          But at least it is something

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not the anon in question but it's some really indirect autism where greece gets given some upgraded hardware for "free" on the condition that they send their old shite the upgraded hardware is replacing to Ukraine. Very indirect and just straight up giving Ukraine the stuff would be a lot more efficient but it's something.

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just yesterday Ukraine was at the brink of defeat, what happened?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Westoids got their shit together

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the front has been stationary for a year, no one was on the brink of anything outside of schizo twitter

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The new cycle was pure doom and gloom.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          so?

          pay attention to what's happening, not the feelings of reporters

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the typical "it's over - we're so bad" cycle

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Just yesterday Ukraine was at the brink of defeat, what happened?
      It still is on the brink of defeat, they can barely hold the frontline and the Russians are advancing everywhere. It only gets worse for the Ukraine from here.

      >running out of men
      >doesn't want to announce new mobilization though
      >no ammo
      >no shells
      >anti-air depleted

      That's why they rely on striking irrelevant ships or stuff in Crimea, to dominate the news so people "feel good" but none of it has any effect on reversing the losing strategic situation of the Ukraine. The writing is already on the wall, the Ukraine wont survive this war as an independent state.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        yup, two weeks until collapse

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          2 more weeks!

          > if i post "two more weeks" again, Ukraine's disastrous shortfall of trained men, ammo and shells will go away!
          >also don't pay attention to how Russia has advanced 40km+ squared near the oskil river in recent weeks

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            yes total collapse in 14 days

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >40km2
            >in recent weeks
            so assuming it's a square area, which we know it ain't, they've conquered depth you can drive in 5-8 minutes on most roads
            breathtaking blitz

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >muh disastrous shortfall of trained men, ammo and shells
            Ziggers projecting as usual, I see.

            >Russia has advanced 40km+ squared in recnet weeks
            LMAO, you mean the same back and forth "advances" of them taking the same couple treelines and then losing them again, just as during the last 12 months or so?

            Well forget 2 weeks, at the tempo of Russias advances they'll make it to Kupyansk in about 20 years. Oh wait, by then the U/krainians will have literally exterminated Russias entire male population at the current rate.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        2 more weeks!

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Eh, 7/10 bait, you could've called it "the" Uk-
        Nevermind, 9/10.

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Sieg

    Those shells are fricking sketch looking in those factories

    Dudes turning them on 100 year old lathes by hand, they could probably shit out more tighter toleranced shells with live tooling and fanuc robots

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why only 1M shells?

    Ukraine at their peak were wasting close to 60k a month while Puccia's peak was double of that

    They need more shells and barrels tbh

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah but neither side is at their peak any more.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Peak Ukraine needed 60K for counter battery. But as NATO's strategic weapons (read, HIMARS, drones and co.) have obliterated Russia's stocks, they're not needed anymore. This was always the plan btw. In case people haven't yet noticed, NATO hasn't just been giving shit willy nilly, it has coordinated shipments over time. That's why the first wave of shipments were a mass of mine deployers and ex-Soviet vehicles the ukranians could use quickly for defense and a few strategic assets to destroy russia's stocks. And now the second wave has seen a serious increase of western artillery and shells they can use to hunt down Russia's already depleted guns and mop up the trenches thanks to its superior precission, alongside western tanks and IFVs to pressure the front.

      That's the funny thing about this war. People somehow haven't realized NATO figured it out from the start. As soon as Zelensky and his army showed they could resist, NATO knew this was going to be an attrition war. And the contingencies for such a war started.

      Nowadays vatBlack folk are trying to use that as an insult against the west but far from it. NATO knew the Ukranians couldn't actually pull a front-wide khakriv, hell if anything khakriv was the one surprise it got. But banking on it happening forever? That'd be dumb and get Ukranians (that is, europeans, much to Russia's hatred) killed. No, instead they made what they do best. Ensured the soldiers come back home and their vehicles are repaired, and focused on attriting Russia so hard it cannot compete no matter how many meatwaves it throws. Its that simple. The west looses material, the east looses everything.

      1M shells in that timeframe are enough for what's coming.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the most evil thing NATO has done is give only the weapons that cause the most Russian casualties, and not the weapons that would give a swifter victory (F-16s, ATACMs, more IFVs, mine-removers, bridging equipment).

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Russian death is victory.
          This has never been about land.
          Kill as many Russians as possible for as long as possible then try for land.
          The only way to neutralize Russia is to kill as many as possible.
          They will fight without armor, drones and aircraft. So you have to kill them all. Everything else is secondary from shell production to mines. Kill as many Russians as possible.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >massive zigger casualties
          >evil
          Its ambivalent at worst.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's already ramping up further.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Based lmao.

        EU Defense Initiative soon.

        Already kinda there. Sure there's no "EU army", but there is central command, frontex, defense cooperation, troop locations, etc.

        the most evil thing NATO has done is give only the weapons that cause the most Russian casualties, and not the weapons that would give a swifter victory (F-16s, ATACMs, more IFVs, mine-removers, bridging equipment).

        As much as I think it'd have been hilariously cool to see that. I don't think you're thinking in perspective. If ATACMS were there from day 1, sure, they would have caused quite a stir. But they wouldn't have caused that much more damage than regular HIMARS because Russia's stocks were already in range. By first obliterating Russia's stocks with HIMARS, then waiting for them to move them back and create a new logistic chain thinking they're save, and THEN giving Ukraine weapons with the range to hit them again NATO has ensured maximum destruction of stockpiles and damage to logistics, plus maximum damage to Russia's command chain. And if you believe you're gonna get stuck in a war of attrition, which I for one agree with NATO on, this was never not gonna be a war of attrition imho. Then ensuring maxium damage to logistics and command is how you win. By giving Ukraine range in slow increments NATO ensured the most attrition possible, and in the end, only attrition will get Russia out of this. Is it evil to maximize snowBlack person deaths? Maybe depending on your perspective. But what is objectively morally good is minimizing Ukranian deaths. And by doing this they did just that. Its heartless to be sure. But I'd argue it was the right choice.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Don't forget the first EU military exercise, October 2023.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          So NATO is going for a "slowly boiling the frog" strategy?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No, it's really not.
            If it succeeds then everybody will pretend it was so, then pat themselves on their back because all it cost is throwing tons of ukrainians into a meatgrinder and let's be honest, nobody really cares about it. I suppose terminal demographics isn't something current politicians care about.
            If it doesn't succeed there will be a lot of screeching and finger pointing. Ukrop victory is by no means a given, especially with middling gibs, and murrica is having another political meltdown (since yurops generally had to be pressed to deliver Good Shit and only did after Daddy America did).
            tldr there's no coherent strategy being employed

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I wouldn't necessarily call it that, but yes in the sense this is slow by necessity. I mean, "boiling the frog" implies NATO fears retaliation from Russia. That's not the issue. The issue with sending long range too early isn't that Russia will get pissy, but that it will move its logistics chains away too early. Basically. If you just hit them with shadows from day 1, they'll prepare for shadows. If you first hit them with himars, dunces will prepare for himars, and then you hit them with shadows, and get to inflict twice the attrition, and the first round is cheap too.

            In this way, playing with Russia's expectations is indeed a massive tool for the west. NATO never really doubted long range was gonna arrive. The debate was when it would cause maximum effect. Letting Russia think its logistics were safe was necessary to make that longer range count.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I wish I had this much faith in the EU leaders.
              Ignorance is bliss.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                same lmao
                eu has been cursed by some truly worthless politicians, and any semi-viable alternatives tend to be just as bad

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >NOOOO IT'S HOPELESS DON'T VOTE THE POLITICIANS ARE ALL BAD
                Italy 2022 Black person. I'll never not vote again after I saw that. And I'm voting for the right. If Italians can break conditioning, the rest of Europe can.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's not what I said. Voting IS important, if for no other reason that young people voting means that maybe, just maybe you'll get a few pennies for every dollar given to worthless boomers who always vote no matter what (assuming you're young; kindly go to the farm if you're some old frick).
                That doesn't change the fact that the political classes in Europe are fricking abysmal. I'm familiar with four countries and all of them are total clownshows where you always tactically vote against one repulsive turd because the other turd is even worse. May each and every one of them get ass-cancer and die in a fire.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Italy 2022
                What about it? Meloni didn't even deliver on her main promise of stopping the fricking boats, instead going for culture war bullshit to keep up support from her base.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The promise was less migrants
                >The migrants will be sent to Albania
                Wether the boats stop or not, all I care about is that they don't get into Europe. So yeah, she's good in my book. And she's actually heavily reworked the stupid welfare benefits and started us back on eventually using nuclear, so far, most of the promises she made, at least the viable ones that weren't "we will sink the migrants in the sea" tier have been kept. Now the Muslims will join their kind in Albania, and the Nigerians will have their skin stolen off by them.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                all I care about is that they don't get into Europe
                maybe you should look at the stats of her staggering success in that regard
                >"we will sink the migrants in the sea" tier
                only way to stop them, and it's unfortunate that europe doesn't have the guts for it

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Italy has been the country with the least entry requests in 2022 and 2023, with the majority of migrants of 2023 being Ukrainians that came and obtained work visas. Disingenuous leftoid DOGSHIT about how "uhm actually there were more migrants coming in!!!!" Clashes with the supposed "oh my god they're sending them to Albania and making deals with Africans to make them stay there, they're so evil!!!!" rhetoric.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Anon, what's the point of stopping the thirdies if we become the thirdies in the process? Surely we can find a better way.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Surely we can find a better way.
                Can we? The issue has been notable for about a decade now and little, if anything, has been done. We can try your miracle solution that just can't seem to materialize after you actually find one - until then I'm all for shipping them right back or sinking the boats outright so they stop coming.
                I've heard Saudi Arabia has plenty of money and space, they can house them. They're their Muslim brothers, after all.
                >defending your borders against a tide of illiterate invaders that hate you and everything you stand for (except welfare) is... le bad!

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >all I care about is that they don't get into Europe
                Yeeeah, she's done a wonderful job at preventing them from getting into Europe. Truly outstanding in that regard, right?
                >muh Albania deal
                This is exactly the bullshit that gets my blood boiling. Giving them 3000 Black folk a month does absolutely nothing when we get more than that in a fricking day. This is putting a band-aid on a sucking chest wound and calling it a great success. The worst part is you morons fall for it.
                >started us back on eventually using nuclear
                Fair enough, this is the one good thing this government did. However, it wasn't proposed by Meloni, but rather by that utter moron Salvini. I guess a broken clock is right twice a day after all.
                However, before you get your hopes up, remember how long it takes to build a nuclear power plant and how long our governments usually last. And that's even disregarding the NIMBY shit that's gonna put this idea into the ground (as it did many times in the past).

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >This is exactly the bullshit that gets my blood boiling. Giving them 3000 Black folk a month does absolutely nothing when we get more than that in a fricking day. This is putting a band-aid on a sucking chest wound and calling it a great success. The worst part is you morons fall for it.
                When the choice is either "let everyone in" or "take action to lessen entry", the latter is preferable. Due to Europe and the EU being what they are, blocking every single migrant is not an option for even the most right-leaning, nazi-tier party. Band-aid solutions are what CAN be done, so it SHALL be done.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Band-aid solutions and shooting the boats aren't the only options. The goal is to make illegal arrivals as unpalatable as possible. Here are some ways you can do that:
                - Take prints and DNA samples from everyone who arrives, so it is easier to track them.
                - Build detention facilities to keep in anyone who arrives until their asylum request is granted or rejected. Preferably on ships moored in the open sea, so they can't escape into the countryside and become untraceable. Currently it's way too easy to ask for asylum, even if you know you don't fit the criteria, and then disappear from the system during the years-long process.
                - If you do not want to declare the country you are from, as most throw away passports to avoid deportation, your asylum request should be automatically declined. After all, how can we check whether you are actually persecuted in your country if we don't know what country that is? Following this, you remain indefinitely detained, until you declare what country you're from, so you can be deported back.
                - Legislate that asylum is automatically rejected if the person that requests it has travelled through another country considered safe. If you're actually scared for your life, you don't go around "shopping" for a country that gives you more benefits as an asylum seeker. You only do that if you're an economic migrant.
                - Organize hot-spots in third countries, like Tunisia and Lybia, for processing migrants, to disincentivise getting on a boat towards our coast. While you're at it, return asylum seekers there until their request is granted or rejected, so you make sure they know that arriving illegaly only means giving away ~10k to people smugglers.

                [1/2]

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                -Regarding people smugglers, make laws around aiding them harsher, putting it under organised crime, so you can seize assets of NGOs that coordinate with smugglers and arrest all participants. Also, no extradition, even if they are EU citizens. If France could deny us extradition for actual terrorists since the 80's, we can do the same.
                -Also, on the EU level, boycott any and all proceedings, no matter how urgent, until the Dublin Regulations are revised. The treaty allows countries like France and Germany to keep asylum seekers in the country where they first arrived, obviously affecting countries like Italy and Greece the most.

                And that concludes my rant.

                [2/2]

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                -Regarding people smugglers, make laws around aiding them harsher, putting it under organised crime, so you can seize assets of NGOs that coordinate with smugglers and arrest all participants. Also, no extradition, even if they are EU citizens. If France could deny us extradition for actual terrorists since the 80's, we can do the same.
                -Also, on the EU level, boycott any and all proceedings, no matter how urgent, until the Dublin Regulations are revised. The treaty allows countries like France and Germany to keep asylum seekers in the country where they first arrived, obviously affecting countries like Italy and Greece the most.

                And that concludes my rant.

                [2/2]

                Good rant anon, I mostly agree with you, most of these measures are good resolutions to the proposed problem, but unfortunately they, for one reason or the other, are kind of hard to enact. The DNA and fingerprint profiling would basically be political suicide, detention facilities are a good idea, but those required being worked up to, the asylum legislation is also a good idea, and we are working towards centers in the countries that do send the migrants, but my point is. I recognize it's not a good solution, but progress towards any successful solution that isn't just opening borders has potential to 1. Swing other European states towards being less moronic about immigration policies (moronic meaning: open borders) 2. An initial step to an eventual reduction.
                Basically, proving Italy can staunch migration by acting by itself, but keeping a close link to EU politician emboldens countries that want to straighten up their immigration policies. So far the government HAS satisfied me, mostly because I was a MIC, Ukraine and pro-nuclear issue voter, but I understand people whose migrant issues aren't being addressed. I'm cautiously optimistic about it however.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >mostly because I was a MIC, Ukraine and pro-nuclear issue voter
                Yeah, fair enough, if those are the issues you care about the most, then the current government isn't doing too badly. I forgot about Ukraine aid when I said being pro-nuclear is the only good thing this government did.
                >The DNA and fingerprint profiling would basically be political suicide
                I agree with most of what you said, but I'm confused about this. Why would it be political suicide, if you're just taking prints and DNA from migrants? Is it because it could be seen as a slippery slope?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Why would it be political suicide, if you're just taking prints and DNA from migrants?
                No, not because it's a slippery slope, but imagine the fricking sensationalization and headlines "Italy RACIALLY PROFILING POOR MIGRANTS" or "x's government treating refugees as CRIMINALS". Salvini got called to court over not allowing a boat to come ashore, DNA and fingerprint profiling of migrants would be made into "le ebul Italians want to put migrants into concentration camps when the time comes, that's why they're collecting their biometrics".

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The US takes your prints even when you enter the country as a tourist. There's nothing wrong with that and nobody gives them shit for it.

                If the media wants to call us evil for taking DNA and prints, let them. They already find excuses to do it anyway. At least this would actually keep up safer.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They didn't take mine few years ago.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They took mine a few years ago. Lmao, does that mean I'm on a list?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >No, not because it's a slippery slope, but imagine the fricking sensationalization and headlines "Italy RACIALLY PROFILING POOR MIGRANTS" or "x's government treating refugees as CRIMINALS"
                denmark was flattening entire immigrant neighborhoods when they were misbehaving. a lot of muh dindu rapefugee headlines were written, then promptly ignored. over time rapefugees in denmark were forced to either behave and at least somewhat integrate, or to GTFO.
                and... it worked out fine and they more-or-less behave like more-or-less civilized people. compare it to swedistan where there's a permanent gang war amongst browns in many cities.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >swedistan
                They prefer to be referted to as the Abbaswede Caliphate

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >denmark was flattening entire immigrant neighborhoods when they were misbehaving.

                No they didn't.

                >it worked out fine and they more-or-less behave like more-or-less civilized people.

                No they dont.

                t. actual euro.

                surprised that the US produces less steel than Europe. Would've figured we'd be way ahead of them in that.

                >surprised that the US produces less steel than Europe. Would've figured we'd be way ahead of them in that.

                The steel facilities that remain in America are also derelicts from world war 2. They were kept competitive by wagedumping, while euros and asians robotized their facilities, americans imported mexicans and used them as bio-robots.

                I mean, I get that, but at least according to that graph, we've maintained a consistent chunk of the steel insdustry. We went from 115 million metric tons in the '70s (when the steel industry famously slid into decline here) to 73 million metric tons in 2020. A decline, to be sure, but not quite as pronounced as you would expect with the way it gets talked about, and consistently less over that period than the Euros. According to that infographic, the Chinese don't even become the top steel producer until 1996.

                >We went from 115 million metric tons in the '70s (when the steel industry famously slid into decline here) to 73 million metric tons in 2020.

                Swedish steel production is 4.4 million tons of steel in 2022, down from 6 million tons in 2004. Swedish steel production took a massive hit in 2008 and never really recovered.

                In terms of steel production per capita, America is inferior to Sweden. What remains in Sweden is mostly high end steel production like tool steels and stainless steel. Americans are making basic steel in obsolete facilities. Chinks produce just over 1000 million tons of steel per year.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Following this, you remain indefinitely detained, until you declare what country you're from, so you can be deported back.
                >be me
                >durkha-durkha jihad muhammed
                >get on boat to pasta-land
                >get detained, don't have any ID so they don't know which country i come from
                >they ask where i come from so they can deport me there
                >"United States of America"
                >get free trip to burger-land
                u mad bro?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nah, I'd be fine with that. I just don't want trash in my country (and Europe in general due to Schengen), don't really care where it goes other than that.

                However, that wouldn't really be how it goes
                >Durka says he's from the US
                >US says he isn't a US citizen
                >Durka stays in jail
                >Durka regrets taking the trip
                >Less durkas take the trip

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >What about it? Meloni didn't even deliver on her main promise of stopping the fricking boats, instead going for culture war bullshit to keep up support from her base.

                Shes building a holocaust memorial next to her house in order to humiliate her voting base even more. I loled when I read that.

                https://i.imgur.com/reNquUk.png

                >live like 15 miles away from the US military shell plant in Pennsylvania
                >realize that they're probably spooling up production to supply Ukraine
                >see if I can apply for a assembly line job making shells to kill Russians and to live out a WW2 homefront LARP
                >whatever it pays it's probably better than being a fedex wagie
                >positions only open to mil personnel and DoD contractors
                Why does the government do this?

                only open to mil personnel and DoD contractors
                >Why does the government do this?

                Because it is part of a fricking graft, you dumbass. Its called regulatory capture, intent is to make it impossible for competitors to enter the business of making shells for the government.

                Italy has been the country with the least entry requests in 2022 and 2023, with the majority of migrants of 2023 being Ukrainians that came and obtained work visas. Disingenuous leftoid DOGSHIT about how "uhm actually there were more migrants coming in!!!!" Clashes with the supposed "oh my god they're sending them to Albania and making deals with Africans to make them stay there, they're so evil!!!!" rhetoric.

                You're obviously not an euro.

                Anon, what's the point of stopping the thirdies if we become the thirdies in the process? Surely we can find a better way.

                >Anon, what's the point of stopping the thirdies if we become the thirdies in the process? Surely we can find a better way.

                Third worlders are not people they are inbetween mankind and the monkey.

                >Surely we can find a better way.
                Can we? The issue has been notable for about a decade now and little, if anything, has been done. We can try your miracle solution that just can't seem to materialize after you actually find one - until then I'm all for shipping them right back or sinking the boats outright so they stop coming.
                I've heard Saudi Arabia has plenty of money and space, they can house them. They're their Muslim brothers, after all.
                >defending your borders against a tide of illiterate invaders that hate you and everything you stand for (except welfare) is... le bad!

                >Can we? The issue has been notable for about a decade now and little, if anything, has been done

                The solution is to ship them to America. If the Americans complain, just repeat back their own open borders rhetoric back at them.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                same lmao
                eu has been cursed by some truly worthless politicians, and any semi-viable alternatives tend to be just as bad

                Lmao you still think politicians mean jack shit? EU's war effort is mostly controlled by bureaucrats. Have you seriously never realized how independently of who wins any given election, when it comes to these matters all that changes is how much noise they make? Seriously just look at what is sent when. Its obviously being coordinated. Similar systems get sent in the same timeframes, systems with similar ranges get sent at the same time, etc. Sure SOME politicians (5th columnists) try to obstruct it while some try to aid it. But in the end it doesn't matter. I wouldn't trust my average moron-in-chief to tie his shoes every morning much less think about long term strategies. But that's the beauty of having proper sepration of powers in a decentralized models. We have tard wranglers. They know what they're doing. We don't need to have good leaders so long as our system can keep the morons wrangled.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                it's ironic how you undoubtedly think yourself very smart and somebody with deep insight into the Truth of Things (tm) while in reality you're a moron
                bureaucrats are subservient to politicians, yes. it takes a real fricking dumbass to think otherwise.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                b***h I never said I was clever or smart in any wat. But I do have plenty of experience. I'm a scientist working for a public organism myself and got family in the army. I've seen ministers come and go. Bureaucrats are only as subservient to the dunces as the system needs them to be. Which is almost nothing.
                Unless of course you're talking about the more backwards eastern european models when centralization forces them to. But, well, there's a good reason the more decentralized countries do significantly better. You have no idea how many laws there are to keep the tards in check over here. Our average minister can at best threaten us with reduced funding if they manage to get it approved by the council of ministers and ratified by congress, and now its even harder thanks to Sanchez's reforms. We have loooong stopped giving a frick.
                Generally speaking for public matters in western europe you're looking at 80% bureaucrats doing whatever they want, and another 18% bureaucrats tardwrangling the potatoes with sweet words. Again, that's the beauty of liberal democracy. We haven't got a single president that wasn't an idiot since forever and yet since we tranditioned to democracy shit's only getting better!

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Thank you for the high-grade arguments.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'd call it "grill the bear".

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >So NATO is going for a "slowly boiling the frog" strategy?

            The NATO strategy in Ukraine has always been to maximize Russian losses, not to assist Ukraine. This means that the Ukies can not get so much assistance that they actually have a chance of repelling the Russians and forcing an end to the war. They will only get so much that they are barely hanging on. Ukrainan losses does not matter to NATO.

            Dead ukrainans are easily replaced by replacement migration from population export shitholes. This reasoning also applies to NATO populations and in particular the white american population.

            This war will eventually come to a truce, and 15-20 years later with its time for round two the Russians and their churkas will face ukrainian speaking nafris, pakis, pajeets, arabs, africans, latin americans etc on the front lines. The leadership of Ukraine will still be the same though, having dual citizenship in Israel.

            https://i.imgur.com/MgNAOVD.jpg

            b***h I never said I was clever or smart in any wat. But I do have plenty of experience. I'm a scientist working for a public organism myself and got family in the army. I've seen ministers come and go. Bureaucrats are only as subservient to the dunces as the system needs them to be. Which is almost nothing.
            Unless of course you're talking about the more backwards eastern european models when centralization forces them to. But, well, there's a good reason the more decentralized countries do significantly better. You have no idea how many laws there are to keep the tards in check over here. Our average minister can at best threaten us with reduced funding if they manage to get it approved by the council of ministers and ratified by congress, and now its even harder thanks to Sanchez's reforms. We have loooong stopped giving a frick.
            Generally speaking for public matters in western europe you're looking at 80% bureaucrats doing whatever they want, and another 18% bureaucrats tardwrangling the potatoes with sweet words. Again, that's the beauty of liberal democracy. We haven't got a single president that wasn't an idiot since forever and yet since we tranditioned to democracy shit's only getting better!

            >I've seen ministers come and go. Bureaucrats are only as subservient to the dunces as the system needs them to be. Which is almost nothing.

            Infestation of political activist is a serious problem in democratic political systems. #2 problem is infestation of corrupt bureaucrats that transfer to private business after recommending public private partnerships with said businesses.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              [schizophrenic headcanon]
              Boom. Begone.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Ukraine at their peak were wasting close to 60k a month
      So about 720k per year? At that rate, 1M shells per year gives them a surplus that should last for just shy of 5 extra months.

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Do you guys think Russians have access to artificial sweeteners? I'm drinking my coffee and reading the news, and I just pondered how lucky I am to live in a real country.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Adds sugar to coffee
      Why?

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    HE IS BACK!!!!! Reporting From Ukraine has finally returned!

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Zisters, I thought the EU deindustrialized???

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >500€ million for people who scale up production
      ZBROS... WE SAID EUROPE WOULD NEVER INDUSTRIALIZE AGAIN BECAUZE THEY DRANK SOI AND LIKED RENEWABLES

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So actually it's 500k not a million. So all of Europe equals 1/24th of the DPRKs ability?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The DPRK produces 12 million shells in a year
        Kek! Also, reading comprehension.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >claims to deliver one million
          >only 500,000
          >but not yet
          >meawhile Norks do 1 million in a month

          yes

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Some dude said norks produce 12 million a month!

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              OP and EU admit they are lying about production by at least two times!

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No one ever claimed such numbers moron, not even the coalest vatBlack person.

            It's esstimate Norks supplied a million shells from their reserves. Whatever their build capacity I'm yet to see numbers on that.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Going by the math, it'll be two and a half million by the end of 2024 at current rates if they can make half a million by March.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Anon they announced the one million target over a year ago, at current rates they will only make 250k-300k between March and December.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >500€ million for people who scale up production
      ZBROS... WE SAID EUROPE WOULD NEVER INDUSTRIALIZE AGAIN BECAUZE THEY DRANK SOI AND LIKED RENEWABLES

      Enough of our horrifying past, let's discuss our horrifying future.

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >live like 15 miles away from the US military shell plant in Pennsylvania
    >realize that they're probably spooling up production to supply Ukraine
    >see if I can apply for a assembly line job making shells to kill Russians and to live out a WW2 homefront LARP
    >whatever it pays it's probably better than being a fedex wagie
    >positions only open to mil personnel and DoD contractors
    Why does the government do this?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Honestly, to make sure no chucklefrick attempts to sabotage the line for whatever reason

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Part of the credential creep plaguing the rest of the economy. Which is a byproduct of EEOC cancer and the cheapening of the college degree.

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >How is that even possible?
    People tend to ignore the fact that EU still is an industrial powerhouse.
    EU-27 are the third biggest producer of raw steel with Germany alone being 7th place.
    UK, Germany, France, Spain, Italy have a combined share of 25% of the world's arms exports.
    USA has 40%, Russia 16 (numbers for 2022)

    Europe sure has outsourced lots of shit to China and other asian nation (who hasn't?) but they were clever enough to keep some important shit at home.

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Holy frick idiots with zero comprehension ITT.

    The EU says they'll have delivered 500-600k by March, which obviously falls short of the goal but Breton is boasting about increasing production to 1'4mil for 2024 and over 2mil for 2025, meaning combined with US Ukraine shells supply is secured for the future.

    Also, in no dimension can NK make 1m shells a month, that's hilariously deluded.

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Literally the other way around. They "reached production capacity" (whatever it is) but won't be able to supply promised 1M by March. CIA shills piss in your eyes.

  28. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    tl;dr gayrepeans have no shells. Never had nor will have.

  29. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    War is peace
    Freedom is slavery
    Ignorance is strength

  30. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Europe will run out of ammo and will freeze

  31. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >GLSDB
    >1 million ammo/year regardless of US congress stalling
    Things are looking up.

  32. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    all this talk about increased shells bores me, when will we get news that can actually start to make Ukraine reclaim more territory at a faster rate?, is attritional warfare really the best thing the west can do against the Russians as of right now?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      When you are defending attritional warfare is the best thing you can do.

  33. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Are they mass producing shells, WW1 style?
    Lol no, the allies produces 790 million shells in 4 years.

  34. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In the West, we have this thing called an economy. So when you have an economy, you actually have alot of breakout potential when it comes to manufacturing weapons.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The US has industry but at this point Europe's "economy" is venture capital and ironically, selling McDonalds to themselves.

  35. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    bruh if I was the EU I would aim to produce 1 million SMArt-155 or equivalent munitions a year
    also a 100k 5.56 rifles a year and 1000 mbts a year, 1000 CEASAR equivalents etc
    become the worlds leader in land warfare production, there will be a massive gap with the collapse of russia

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What do you do when you have no market rich enough to buy it, and your only customers don't want to pay for maintenance and storage?

  36. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So as of right now they're reporting OP was bullshit and they've done half that

    https://www.politico.eu/article/czech-republic-artillery-weapons-ukraine-european-union/

    >The EU had originally pledged to supply 1 million shells by March, and France led calls for Europe to build up its homegrown industrial prowess to deliver munitions to Kyiv. However, the EU now says 524,000 shells will reach Ukraine by the March deadline, with 1.1 million only promised by the end of the year.

    This doesn't change anyone's opinions about anything, does it? You were right before, and different data that completely contradicts your beliefs a moment ago makes you even MORE right because you're that based and superior.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This post has convinced me that Russia is not pathetic and is in fact very strong

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >524,000 shells will reach Ukraine by the March deadline, with 1.1 million only promised by the end of the year
      >2500 a day

      Shit, if Russia gives them feed stock for the HE production and helps with maintenance on their facilities the Norks really might outproduce the EU. I thought it was a joke but that number makes it plausible if Russia supplies imputs so the Norks don't deplete their surge stockpiles.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nice samgayging, thirdie scum.

        Meanwhile in reality, the million shell dleivery is stil lahead of schedule, and Nork "production" is still pitiful once you llok beyond the thirdie cope of them emptying their old stockpiles. And Rheinmetall alone is gonna reach ~750k shells per year by the end of 2024 with the new expansion program they just announced.

        So seethe more.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They literally just said the entire EU will only manage 600k from March to December.

          Somehow i trust the EU over a vatnik shill trying to save face for Russians embarrassed over them depending on a former client.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the March deadline
      Still not a thing outside zigger propaganda. Pledge was one million by end of MAY, and they're currently 60% there at less than half the time allotted.

  37. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Factories take time to start up properly. To spool up a large manufacturing plant takes up to a year to two. It's not fast. They are at probably 10% max pro. It just cost a lot to fully fire up and then shut down

  38. 4 weeks ago
    Death to JewSA

    They will drown one more zero and problem solved

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