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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If they ever need to use the things? Yes.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    S-400 is dog shit. Everybody knows it by now

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why did the Turks buy them anyway? Regardless, it's good they have excuse to not sell F-35 to Turkey, I guess.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Turkish Bazzar mentality, they took it probably for a very cheap price without thinking about the consequences

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Mostly due to ToT. They wanted PAC-2 previously but America only willing to sell them the system not the technical package. Turks got butthurt and went to Pootin who sold them the missile as well as key technology behind it, which led to development of Siper long range missile

        It's similar to why Korea bought S-300 from Russia with ToT which they used to develop KM-SAM

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          KM-SAM was developed with technical knowledge from Almaz-Antey. South Korea have never bought them as RoK army has PAC-2/3

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          In hindsight, maybe there's a reason why they are so ready to sell their own key technology.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Russia have been selling their "key technology" to everyone. They sold Yak 141 jump jet tech to america, Mig-141 tech to China, S-300 tech to South Korea and Iran, T-90 secret sauce to India just to name a few

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Mig-141
              What plane is that?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Mig 144 i meant

                They are also willing to sell Su-57 tech to both India and South Korea

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Also Yakhont missile tech to both india and South Korea

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >They sold Yak 141 jump jet tech to america
              no

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >It's similar to why Korea bought S-300 from Russia with ToT which they used to develop KM-SAM
          S. Korea bought out the technology, not the system. By the time KM-SAM entered service in 2011 it was already vastly different from S-300. There's hardly a correlation between two anymore.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >ToT

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They lost the entire F-35 membership, the jets and the money from mkaing parts for the whole program (billions)
          Its just moronic decision

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >they lost F-35.
            Even now there's talk about allowing Turkey to get their F-35 back eventually and they still makes parts for F-35

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      And the f-35 isn’t?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And why do you think it is?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          the core idea of the f-35 is "if we have good avionics and call it stealth then nobody will notice that it barely flies"
          this idea is moronic.

          >frog-wielding vatBlack starts spamming his fanfiction and deranged moskal fantasies based on krokodil and not much else
          Splendid!

          >trollfarm mongoloid can't form sentences.
          Remarkable!

          obsessed

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Nice comeback, Ramesh!

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >barely flies
            surely you can substantiate such a bold claim?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >nobody will notice that it barely flies
            what did he mean by this? the F35 is sold to multiple countries and they all fly them. israel een uses them in combat operations

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            maneuverability is a pretty useless trait when most combat happens over the horizon. We still have f22s for the rare instance that a dogfight matters though

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >inb4 SUtards

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > I AM GONNA MANOEUVRE
                i'd like to see it try to out manouvre an AA missile like python 4 or 5

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        yup

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The reformers are mercifully all dead, but while they were alive they were fricking moronic.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah but Erdogan is too proud to admit that.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    based greeks, whatever crisis will come next, the f-35 will tear erdogan a new butthole

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You know there will never be a war between two nato nations dummy. Edrogan just saved himself a gazillion dollars he'd have to pay to MIC oligarchs

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >you know there will never be a war
        True that, countries don't formally declare declarations of war no more. Now it's only crisies, conflicts, skirmishes and insurgencies.
        >between two nato nations dummy
        Only inter NATO state sponsored violence so far has been between greece and turkey, and any future inter alliance armed conflict will include only the same parties, dumbass. These sunburns have rich history of accidents and provocations going under the line of open hostilities.
        >edrogan just saved himself a gazillion dollars he'd have to pay to MIC oligarchs
        Turkey was been level 3 partner in JSF program and even had build themselfs a amphibious assault ship as launching platform for that fighter, and then sabotaged himself all for a vatnik vaporware. More recently the shenenigans he created with alliance expansion for sweden and norway only worsened his already bad position within structures. Back in the day, Turkey was accepeted to the alliance primarly to cuck the soviets in the bosphorus strait and now that the red sea fleet is no longer taken serious and turkey consistently play by its rules there will be no hard feeling over kicking them from the alliance if the ever decide pull something more dumb that regular. Cope all you want, truth is the only thing the pop star has done was to play himself.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >sweden and norway
          >red sea fleet

          don't drink and post anon.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            His referral to the red sea was actually about the black sea, yeah.
            I believe he is right to say that Se/Fi in NATO bring other defense capabilities against rusian aggression and invasion.
            This would balance out the loss of Turkey and their bosporus strait against pidary in NATO.
            The capability (wet moscvussy) and less-opposable threat (drone boats) of the pidor navy in the black sea is also in question.
            The balance of power shifted and the value of the bosporus strait as they pertain to keeping rusia in check within the framework of NATO is also different.
            You rightly say his mixup of red sea/black sea is silly but you're throwing out the baby with the bathwater here beyond that if you want to use that error to sidestep the entire assertion he made.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Nah m8 I would never try to belittle an argument for simple mistakes in writing, although they may be taken as a lack of understanding in context. Just wanted to point out that they were silly.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Buy plane with expensive mandatory lifetime subscription and killswitches in Washington D.C. that only works (in theory) with NATO AWAC support and thereby 100% air dominance.

    No. S400 isn’t perfect but it’s miles better than F35 that has never been tested against anyone other than afghan goat farmers with stones and rusty AK’s yet somehow the afghan farmers still managed to blitzkrieg NATO lead occupation in 4 days and made NATO do a strategic gesture of good will by fleeing Kabul.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      (you)

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/mupM5VM.jpeg

      Their loss

      Samegay frog poster. Get cubed.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm not him you fricking moron

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What's with the raven banner?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No one knows.
          Afaik it is the battle flag of the USS Carney and the raven is of the same style as a norse raven but bo clue as to why they chose it.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What Turkey is doing is buying themselves Russian-influence.
        They wanted the F35 to possess US-influence against Russia in a 400 IQ plan, but since Russia is now increasingly desperate to trade with other and Turkey control the only way out they won't really need it.

        So basically as usual Turkey only care about themselves and believe they are strong enough to have everyone play to their tunes.

        >frog-wielding vatBlack starts spamming his fanfiction and deranged moskal fantasies based on krokodil and not much else
        Splendid!

        False Flag attempt, French would rather have Turkey side with US than with Russia, even the 400 QI plan of letting Russia frick up before begging for European/NATO weapon isn't worth it because it would just throw them faster into US arms anyway. So the only thing you can hope from the situation is at least not funding Russia.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >seething at lack of stealth aircraft
      Its okay thirdie/frenchie maybe some day

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      And how the combat performance of S-400 doing?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Killswitches
      Dumb, stupid and indian

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's just common sense, isn't it? For what possible reason would you ever sell advanced weapons to foreign nations without making sure you had a method to disable them if needed?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Going by that logic, anything sold without killswitches are, by default, mid or low quality.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Kills witches are not necessary when it comes to jet fighters. Those things require thorough everyday maintenance, and the spare parts come from the US.

          If you want the planes to stop working stop spending spare parts and they'll be done in months.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >frog-wielding vatBlack starts spamming his fanfiction and deranged moskal fantasies based on krokodil and not much else
      Splendid!

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >fanfiction

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >trollfarm mongoloid can't form sentences.
          Remarkable!

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >You can only use american made missiles sweetie!
            >Ram-coating subscription goes brrrrr
            >Wait, you want to use ou- I mean your F-35s against my current *insert kurdish group*-friends? No party for you sweetie!

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >glavset moron starts barking straw man arguments out of impotence and rage
              Lovely.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >frog-wielding vatBlack starts spamming his fanfiction and deranged moskal fantasies based on krokodil and not much else
              Splendid!

              Please collect your posts and return to reddit.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Kurds and Syrians did nothing wrong, stay butthurt Mohammad. No one wants your shitty Neo Ottoman empire to become a reality.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                kurds and syrians deserved it, if you met kurds you will understand. I still support armenians thou

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >F35 that has never been tested
      The S-400 on the other hand, has been tested... and it keeps failing.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Just ask the Ukrainian airforce! i'm sure they'll be happy to answer your inquiries, they definitely aren't busy flying lmao

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Ukrainian air force with all Soviet aircraft
          Yeah, that's not the own you think it is. Also, we all know how S-400 fares against Western missiles.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ^This, the F-35 is a fascinating piece of technology and ingenuity BUT can never be fully exploited so long as it remains closed sourced and a gloried flying Tesla car with needless subscriptions. Heck it won't surprise me in the slightest if Lockheed Martin starts charging to use heated seats in them next.
      I think that's also why Italy despite being allowed to assemble some F-35 parts also has a stockpile of old Eurofighter Typhoon fighters too just in case, all countries should have redundancies like that honestly.

      Make the F-35's hardware/software fully FOSS NOW.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There's no such thing as an open source military system that's also not outright obsolete.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      F35s were literally shitting over S-400s in Syria during Trump's presidency, Mr. Pyotr Amerikanikov from Massachusutsk oblast.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the thirdie thinks F-35s were in Afghanistan
      You can't offend people if you make yourself look moronic in your attempt.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >S400 isn’t perfect but it’s miles better than F35

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the afghan farmers still managed to blitzkrieg NATO lead occupation in 4 days and made NATO do a strategic gesture of good will by fleeing Kabul
      I'm almost in awe of how moronic this statement is. It's like perfect moronation, the ultimate misread of a historical event. If this is b8, then well-played, sir. Peak moronation has been achieved.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >managed to blitzkrieg NATO lead occupation in 4 days and made NATO do a strategic gesture of good will by fleeing Kabul
      You do realize 99% of NATO forces were out of the country before that right? That's literally the only reason they came out of hiding after 20 years.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >DRM in modern military hardware
      Kojima tried to warn us.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >NATO realizes middle eastern inbred shitholes are a lost cause
      NATO leaves them to their own devices
      >XAXAXAXAAXAX NATO LOST TO AYYRABS WITH AK47

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >F35
      gathering intel over ukraine as we speak, vladdy 🙂

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Their loss

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/EgXJnhJ.png

      Are they gonna regret it?

      Both the Patriot system AND S-400 system okay but is vulnerable to cheap rocket and drone spam. Imagine blowing away several millions of dollars to kill a drone made from AliExpress parts that cost about tree fiddy to make in some dudes garage. That's what the Russians and Americans are doing basically.
      In turn air defense systems also need to get cheaper much to run like how working ballistic body armor used to be something that cost a premium but now any schmuck can get. That's the nature of defensive and offensive technologies, it's a constant evolutionary battle.

      I just find it funny how people here see it fit to unironically defense the honor of the companies who make them whenever someone cherry picks an example of one of the two air defense systems failing BUT never succeeding. Like dude if your not getting paid to shill for Almaz-Antey or Raytheon or shit talk the competition then just stop, it's fricking pathetic.

      >that analyzes real world effectiveness.
      s400 didn't have any real world test until now. it was all based on hype

      >it was all based on hype
      Welcome to modern military procurement in general. Everyone wants their weapons to be the greatest thing since sliced bread but is scared shitless to put it out on the front lines less their decades of development gets captured and reverse engineered in China because the CCP doesn't give a shit about Patents (one of the few things I can agree with the commie bug men on) so their latest and greatest game changing technology just sits in the back of the conflict barely doing anything. Basically everything is gay, lame, and disappointing.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Welcome to modern military procurement in general.
        Black person please no one hypes their weapons as much as the russians. as far as i know most weapons that get hyped up have gone through some form of action

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          most western weapons that get hyped up have seen some form of action*

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        except the S-400s weren't killed by drones but the things they are supposed to defense against...

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Your entire post is moronic. Weapons are used, and nobody uses their advanced weaponry more than the US and allies.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The US doesn't actually use its more advanced tech (tic tac bigboi)

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Maybe they did but told nobody and we will only know several decades after the fact.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Imagine blowing away several millions of dollars to kill a drone made from AliExpress
        what cope is this? they were killed by ATACMS the very thing they're supposed to defend against. not some unexepected drone spam

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The catchy song instantly starts playing in my head.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Que 90's 3AM infomercial music.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Dunning-Kruger, the post.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >vulnerable to cheap rocket and drone spam
        The S-400 seems to be vulnerable to everything

        >Imagine blowing away several millions of dollars to kill a drone made from AliExpress parts that cost about tree fiddy to make in some dudes garage.
        No one is shooting $2 million PAC-2s against shaheds or quadcopters. That's moronic.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Well yeah, both Russian and US IIA vests will fail against .308
        >But in this video off the shelf 9x19 went through the Russian IIA vest like it was made of tissue paper and 9x19 is exactly what IIA is designed to stop
        >What's your point?

        Wew.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Both the Patriot system AND S-400 system okay but is vulnerable to cheap rocket and drone spam
        Glavset wienerlette is going all out with the both sides bullshit. It's going to implode if it keeps going like this.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >both sides

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Look at them, crying with patriotic fervor!

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Both the Patriot system AND S-400 system okay but is vulnerable to cheap rocket and drone spam
        S-400: intro’d in 2007 as a counter to US missiles like ATACMS. Pasted by a basic b***h M39, not even one of the newer variants.
        Patriot: intro’d in 1980s; has received upgrades but wasn’t designed for defense against Russia’s highest-end hypersonics; still successfully downs 6 or 7 Khinzals that cost $10 million apiece.
        “Cheap rocket spam”, huh? Take your both-sides bullshit elsewhere.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The bone of contention wasn't so much about selling Patriot missile system but the tech transfers behind it. US ready to share some of the tech (like propellant technology) and even willing to set up shop but the turks wanted more. The deal broke down and they're forced to go elsewhere

      They tried to go for China but China didn't want to sell them HQ-22 (a prized possssion at that time. Even now they only sold the export version with vastly inferior range) and offered KS-1A instead so they turned to Russia that offered S-400

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        HQ-22 was too high quality to sell

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          supposedly

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Big if true

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >their rival Greece

    How the frick does that even work, they're both in NATO and the EU. So if they go to war with each other, will mommy USA have to come down and scold these two ugly unibrowed toddlers?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I want blonde hair blue eyes big tiddies mommy USA to scold me

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nato defends whoever hits article 5 first. Theres bad blood older than steam powered engines between these two states, and they both are just waiting for the other to smack first.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There's bad blood older than the Bronze Age collapse between those two. I think NATO would only intervene to prevent civilian casualties, they want to have an air war over the Agean let them.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I don't think the Ottoman was around that long

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I believe he is talking about the Trojan war or something, you know Greeks attacker Asia Minor (Anatolia) and shit.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Those was Greeks vs Greeks though. The Turks came much later.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not arguing m8, ofc the Turks came much later but Trojan War supposedly happened about the same time as Bronze Age collapse so there is that. Might be a geography thing instead of race or culture, who knows what that guy was thinking?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not arguing m8, ofc the Turks came much later but Trojan War supposedly happened about the same time as Bronze Age collapse so there is that. Might be a geography thing instead of race or culture, who knows what that guy was thinking?

                I was specifically referring to suspected conflict between the Hittites and the ancient Greeks in Anatolia and Cyprus, with the idea being that while the Seljuk, and latter Ottoman, Turks were later arrivals that fought the Byzantines there's certainly been people from that area fighting over shit there for the past 4 millenia. The current territorial disputes can certainly be traced to pre-fall of Constantinople, but I'm willing to be loose enough with my definition of what Turkey is to go even further back.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                current territorial disputes in the aegean region are between turkey and greece
                turkey did not exist until the 1920s
                even today a huge percentage of turkish population has greek genes
                you are historically illiterate

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Greece
      >Rival
      People still live in the 70s.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >turkroaches make bullshit claims to half of the Aegean
      That's the beginning and the end of it. Turks literally believe Greek clay is theirs, despite being members of the UN, a prerequisite for which is agreeing to the borders they're now contesting.
      And they have all the same old bullshit maps and arguments China shits out.

      >Greece
      >Rival
      People still live in the 70s.

      No, you're just monumentally ignorant. Cyprus might not be part of Greece, but Cypriots are Greek. Now run along and google "Cyprus" to find out why I'm even talking about it.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I remember meeting a girl from Cyprus named stavria and I’ve never interacted with a woman who flirted with me more aggressively. She’d touch me constantly and go out of her way to greet me whenever she saw me.

        I’m not a good looking guy (short dyel) and she was gorgeous so I just ignored her advances due to my low self esteem. This was 8 years ago and I still think about her sometimes.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Sorry to hear that. I have a similar nagging thorn from well over a decade ago, but in my case her family sabotaged it. Real Romeo and Juliet shit.

          We'll make it brah.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >We'll make it brah.
            Will we?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >they're both in NATO and the EU
      only in your wet dreams, Herr Erdogan

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >they're both in NATO and the EU.
      [X] doubt

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Turkey and India are sweating nervously looking at their Ruzzian weapon stockpile now.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's the first gulf war all over again. Question is will the Russian mic bury it's head in the sand and make excuses for itself again? (Yes)

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They'll probably have the opportunity to sell it all back at a profit if things keep going like they're going.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >NATO member known for playing both sides gets first hand access to NATO-nemesis' best AD tech
    oh gee idk what the value of this would be

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Article is from February, before their clown trucks got completely embarrassed.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So Turkey will change their tune soon?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I don't think they can at this point. They shat the bed, now they have to sleep in it.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >country opts for S-400
    >/k/ thinks it’s shit because they saw a video or two from the Ukraine war
    Yeah, I’m sure you know better than a country that has an entire weapons procurement branch that analyzes real world effectiveness.
    This just goes to show that all of the gorespam and blown up equipment spam creates a really ignorant bias. Y’all don’t know shit, lmao.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Procurement branches are based on bribe size and you know it

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Procurement branches are based on bribe size and you know it
        Uh-uh, and why do you think that all the turkish generals who signed the F-35 contract are behind bars now?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Because you were hired by the troll agency for your compulsion to lie and make up fantastical stories about literally anything.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            He’s right, though. You’re just too lazy and stupid so you resort to calling everyone a shill. It’s boring, tbh.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        yeah and jannies would never take bribes or enforce their personal opinions

        >You can only use american made missiles sweetie!
        >Ram-coating subscription goes brrrrr
        >Wait, you want to use ou- I mean your F-35s against my current *insert kurdish group*-friends? No party for you sweetie!

        do americans really make you use american missiles for the f-35? (even though the good missiles like the meteor are made by other people)

        Nice comeback, Ramesh!

        >letting jeets live rent free in your head
        does your brain have a designated shitting cortex?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Substantiate your statements, garbage. You're like a walking abortion.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >do americans really make you use american missiles for the f-35?
          Google F35 and Meteor

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          (you)

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          meds

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >that analyzes real world effectiveness.
      s400 didn't have any real world test until now. it was all based on hype

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >a country that has an entire weapons procurement branch
      Irrelevant.
      S-400 is a shit.
      Should've bought American.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        do you have the original without the edits? I want to save it for the archive

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    that's what you get for sleeping with the enemy you disgusting insects
    exterminate all roaches
    Make Anatolia Greek Again
    Total Roach Death

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >that's what you get for sleeping with the enemy
      >Forgot about how France and Greece teamed up with Russia in Libya
      >Forgot about how Greece leased its ports to China

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Despite whatever minor dealings France or Greece have had on the side, they are overall faithful NATO allies.

        roaches, on the other hand, are filthy insects that always play 50/50 between US and russia and backstab both every chance they get

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Turkey probably thought the U.S. wouldn’t actually eject them from the F-35 program over it. But the reason why they wanted the S-400 has nothing at all to do with acquiring an AD capability — it was to acquire the tech. It’s the China strategy, something they knew they could get from Russia. Technically the Russian export company tries to protect their tech but in reality the sales are always approved knowing full well that a few samples are being bought just to have the tech copied. And even if the S-400 isn’t that good as a system there’s a lot of tech a growing MIC can learn from it ie signal processing code, rocket engines, materials, design features, etc and so on that can go into making many new products not just a direct clone. There’s no planet on which someone literally trades the F-35 program for S-400s by itself. F-35 program members get NO tech, everything is hyper-protected and locked out and trying to steal any of it will get you hyper-fricked. Russia basically gives their tech away.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Technically the Russian export company tries to protect their tech but in reality the sales are always approved knowing full well that a few samples are being bought just to have the tech copied
      I don't get it, why are Russians so willing to sell their techs?

      >trying to steal any of it will get you hyper-fricked
      shame that China essentially get away with it

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I don't get it, why are Russians so willing to sell their techs?
        They’d dearly love to have US-style lockout capabilities, but it’s tricky and expensive to do well. Add to this that their customer base would shrivel even further with those restrictions. And then finally: for all the hype they spout, the Russian MIC knows they don’t have tech so many years advanced that it’s worth that kind of copy protection.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Since they're not ever going to get the F-35, they might as well claim its a deliberate choice.

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    NATO removed Patriot missiles that Turkey wanted to pay for but now they give numerous batteries to a non NATO country for free.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Turd-kiye, like Germoney, is a terrorist muslim nation trying to play both sides to get the benefits of being friendly to both Russia and USA, so I say good riddance

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why would the US need to station Patriot batteries in Turkey when Turkey has the S-400 system? Is the S-400 an utter piece of shit or something?

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >control + f
    >"sour grapes"
    >0 results

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      roaches dont know aesop

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    'Air defense' system are an over priced gimmick that rarely works as intended if even at all. The only way to defend sovereignty is by building more bunkers than the other guy has.
    Enver Hoxha knew this and built a reasonable amount of bunkers scattered across the country to keep his enemies at bay. Did the Serbs, N.A.T.O., or Soviets ever invade Albania? Of course not because they'd get bogged down under MG fire from sturdy bunkers and bunker redundancies. And that my friends is why modern Albania isn't a part of Yugoslavia, there's a lesson to be learned here.

    But sure go ahead and waste trillions of dollars on over priced gimmick scam technology for the delusion of 'safety' and air supremacy, I'm sure the Vatnics and Burgers will love that and will be laughing their ass off to the bank at yet another sucker.
    As for me? I'm gonna be investing in concrete and rebar before nuclear winter comes, I pray you'll do the same anons because I know at least some of you aren't fools.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Russia shits the bed
      >"Akshually, that type of equipment is obsolete and also moronic and gay."

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        As we've not seen any Tunguskas in a while and Russia supposedly still keeps retrofitted Shilkas around I imagine all the tried and tested AA is guarding Putin's mansions and yachts.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >albania
      you couldn't have picked a worse example
      literal backwater middle-of-nowhere shithole

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Whiter than you Tyrone.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >ten females exactly
          Must...resist...urge...to...number...them...0...thru...9...

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/pqs4I0h.jpeg

          >ten females exactly
          Must...resist...urge...to...number...them...0...thru...9...

          ANALBANIA

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            roll

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Would not any of them. Disgusting.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Imagine those bushes. Rorring.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Rolling for 1

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Eh still would

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Desperate men will do desperate things

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            mandatory roll

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            give me the worst

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Did the Serbs, N.A.T.O., or Soviets ever invade Albania? Of course not because Albania had nothing they wanted, and Enver Hoxha was a paranoid dipshit.
      Fixed that for ya.

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They're not serious. israelites aren't the only MEs who haggle. After bottling up the Black Sea Fleet, allowing the Scandinavian accession and helping to further humiliate Russia in Armenia, Turks want to see what NATO's willing to offer them to dump these lemons.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't know, couldn't the US just say
      >yeah, sure, keep those S-400, we will just sell F-35 to Greece instead
      Certainly don't seem like they are getting anything out of double-downing on S-400, pretending or not.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Frankly the Greek military as a whole could use some upgrading honestly. I always buy Greek kiwi's when they're in stock at the grocery store to help them achieve this end, of course it would take a LOT of kiwi's to make that a reality since they're corrupt as frick and incompetent.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I like how the Greeks have probably the most aesthetic Leopard 2

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I don't know, couldn't the US just say
          >yeah, sure, keep those S-400, we will just sell F-35 to Greece instead
          Certainly don't seem like they are getting anything out of double-downing on S-400, pretending or not.

          https://i.imgur.com/HT6XX65.jpeg

          I like how the Greeks have probably the most aesthetic Leopard 2

          For the love of god someone please do that math here because I'm a fricking dunce. How many kiwi's would need to be sold an bought to turn Gayreece into a regional Super Pawa by 2030? Could it at the very least get Greek bros Spuhr stocks and ACOG's standardized for their old G3's?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            About tree fiddy worth of kiwi's anon, probably.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        more like "how much the US is willing to forgive them for fricking up"
        best case for roaches now is that they get new F-16s
        meanwhile, greece is getting F-16s, rafales, F-35s and new frigates

        Yeah, but think of the global impact it would have for such a major player to rid themselves of this slavic trash for all-Western equipment. Headlines around the world and yet another Putin humiliation's got to be worth a lot of neat, new toys...

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      more like "how much the US is willing to forgive them for fricking up"
      best case for roaches now is that they get new F-16s
      meanwhile, greece is getting F-16s, rafales, F-35s and new frigates

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    my speculation is that buying the f-35 now would undermine funding towards KAAN. it may even be possible that the primary reason they bought the s400 at all was so that they could eject from the f-35 program. forcing themselves into a sink or swim situation to develop their own indigenous stealth platform is gonna hurt in the short term, but i expect it to improve turkish sovereignty in the long run. all the arrows point in this direction wrt what turks have been doing across the board from drones to acvs; i.e., turkey is working hard to develop indigenous technologies to reassert itself (since the fall of the ottoman empire) as regional if not world power.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      hahaha

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Saaaaaarrrr pls redeem TF Kaan

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The simpler explanation is that Erdogan was arrogant enough to think that he could get his cake and eat it too, and didn't actually think the US would do anything about it.

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The S-400 was purchased after the failed Coup that involved many Air Force officers. Essentially this system is Erdogan's personal insurance against a disloyal Turkish Air force, which is why they only purchased one unit. And also a middle finger to the US.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >hahahahaha we bought a missile system that can't shoot down the F35 in order to spite the USA
      uh wow sure showed us lol
      >essentially this system is Erdogan's personal insurance against a disloyal Turkish Air force, which is why they only purchased one unit.
      So they bought a missile system that doesn't work so they can theoretically destroy their own air force? God shithole logic is so funny

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Was your mother was gang raped in the back of the short bus?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No, I'm not Turkish or Indian.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Air Force was also the most pro-US amongst the Armed Forces. The coup attempt was also done by the Gülenist movement, which before their purge was the most pro-US faction in the government. The most pro-US factions getting purged of course lead to distancing from the US.

      Often policies of government is more of a results of several groups pushing against each other.

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Couldn't Turkey just 'accidentally' loose their S-400 to a 'terrorist attack' and then a few months/years later come out with their own suspiciously similar looking national missile air defense systems? Honestly it show's how little Putin himself cares if he's willing to risk Turkey reverse engineering the thing that by selling the them to the Turks in the first place. Perhaps Russia is already developing a S-700 to make all their current gen stuff obsolete but this is total speculation on my part. Either that or Putin really is moronic enough to trust a take a Turk at their word.

    Copying everyone else's shit is kinda Turkey's specialty.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Or maybe Russia doesn't care who they are selling to exactly because they know their tech isn't much anyway.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >be Russia
        >trade s-400's for fricking Lira's for some moronic reason
        >Turks reverse engineer your shit
        >WTF?.jpg
        >Turks start shooting down Migger's over Syria to establish neo ottoman empire and wipe out SAA forces and Kurdish rebels in peace
        >Russia blown the frick out.gif
        '>vatniks be like: "OMG who could have foreseen this happening?!?!"
        >"we thought Türkiye would join our side if we gave them a few shitty AD systems?"
        >Cue 3rd/4th Crimean war or something
        I mean I certainly wouldn't be a fan of that outcome as someone who pity's the plight of the Armenians, Syrians, and Kurds but at the same time that sure would be a fricking hilarious outcome to watch Russia's hubris bite them in the ass (again).

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    You're obsessed with gays and your English sucks.

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    only if they plan to use them on anything that wasn't designed by a soviet.

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lol, Amerifats not in a position to threaten Turkey

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is the same Turkey that invaded another NATO ally (Greece) and got away with it.

    This is the same Erdogan who flooded Europe with refugees by emptying out his terrorist camps, rape prisons and mental hospitals in order to flex on the EU.

    homosexuals should have taken the F-35 away after Erdogan caused the migrant crisis. Nope.

    So he will get away with it again. Erdogan knows exactly how to cuck eurohamsters.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >This is the same Turkey that invaded another NATO ally (Greece) and got away with it.
      What? Cyprus isn't Greece moron.
      >This is the same Erdogan who flooded Europe with refugees by emptying out his terrorist camps, rape prisons and mental hospitals in order to flex on the EU.
      The only reason they are in euro counties is because they allow them. Merkel straight up welcomed them. Some other country "flooding" doesn't matter in the end. You can reject them, you can deport them, you can even shoot them. The entire reason there are rapefugees in Turkey is because they were going to Europe. You white bois thought you were going to turn our country into your rapefugee camp and make us do your dirty work? Nah, take them all. Let them pass lol.
      >homosexuals should have taken the F-35 away after Erdogan caused the migrant crisis. Nope.
      Again, the only reason a migrant crisis happened is because European countries allowed them. Blaming Turkey is insane cope. White boi escaping from responsibility.
      >So he will get away with it again. Erdogan knows exactly how to cuck eurohamsters.
      Das rite eurocuck.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Cyprus is legit Greek clay

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          lmao nope. The only reason why turkey intervene is to prevent cyprus from being occupied by greece

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Roaches cope

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No.
    US will buy it for 2x the cost to use it in Ukraine.

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    As a fellow Turk, I can tell you that the decision to exclude Turkey from the F-35 project was decided even before the S400 deal.

    S400 was just an excuse. If it wasn't the case, US was going to find another excuse.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >decision to exclude Turkey from the F-35 project was decided even before the S400 deal.
      Proofs?
      Until you substantiate that kind of claim the bazar mentality and the S-400 deal will be the reason that Turkey was dropped from the F-35 program.

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Turkey is a better ally strategically and militarily than Greece. Dick swinging over mid tier tech will come back to bite use like it has in Israel.

  28. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Too many people here have the thinking depth of a camel farmer from Eritrea.

    People keep saying either
    >>S400 best SAM system in the world! Russia numba one!
    Or
    >>S400 is absolute useless dogshit can't hit anything!

    Reality is simply S400 can take out most planes and missiles in a very large range similar to thaad for a price tag per missile of around 5 times less.
    It is a tested system which struggles to handle modern American weapons but works fine with older western systems and most modern weapon coming from outside the US.
    If you don't expect your opponent to have access to the most modern western tech S400 is a perfectly reasonable choice.
    Like most SAM systems it can be overwhelmed in saturation attacks quite fast due to the limited numbers of launch tubes so it needs shored support.
    We have seen the Ukrainians use the predecessors S200 and S300 quite successfully so S400+ models should be able to work decently too against non stealth targets.

    Ultimately the S400 is a compromise that allows a country to deny a very large airspace from primarily non stealth threats at a reasonable price per missile and offers a moderate capability to intercept ballistic missiles.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      did you know that the Greeks will have F35s soon?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, probably 10 of them and Greece fighting turkey is a fricking meme.
        Both of them are broke.
        However turkey is playing games in the middle east which could cause escalation.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ATACMS is modern?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Reality is simply S400 can take out most planes and missiles in a very large range
      Its ability to take out RUSSIAN airframes has certainly been established.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >in a very large range similar to thaad for a price tag per missile of around 5 times less
      Except that how effective it is at that job is completely up in the air. The minimum altitude of a target at max range should be insane too.
      >it can be overwhelmed in saturation attacks
      It has never been overwhelmed.
      >We have seen the Ukrainians use the predecessors S200 and S300 quite successfully
      Three factors.
      1 - Russia underestimated the resilience of the Ukrainian SAM network and their SEAD doctrine is much weaker than the US's.
      2 - Ukrainian air defense seems (or seemed, at the start of the war) to mostly in the hands of officers with engineering/electronics background. They most likely studied all the idiosyncrasies of Slavshit air defense. Someone who truly masters a field can use shit tools and succeed. But that's the equivalent of saying bolt action rifles are still okay to issue as the standard rifle just because one guy can learn how to work a bolt action in a modern environment.
      3 - Ukraine most likely didn't use "we are an impenetrable wall and will shoot down everything" mentality, they used a "we will hunker down to let them fly over and when they fall into the ambush we take a 100% Pk shot" mentality. You buy a S-400 to purchase an air denial system. Not to use as a guerrilla system.

  29. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is big for Greece. It only makes sense if Turkey is confident about their domestic program but it's very likely that they sniff their own farts too hard.

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