Are muggle guns better weapons than wands casting Avada Kadavra? Posted on March 2, 2023 by PrepHole Contributor Are muggle guns better weapons than wands casting Avada Kadavra?
whats the maximum effective firing range on a wand?
Is wind and gravity a factor?
unironically yes in what little passes for lore.
per JKR herself if I remember right.
>per JKR herself if I remember right
Yeah, but I think she forgot about quiet casting which I think could be just as effective at close range depending on the thought speed of the caster.
Unrelated but I think about goblin built aks from time to time
>dude magic is so cool, there's so many possibilities! We can do whatever we want, unconstrained by the real world!
>Damn bet those gobbos can make a mean fuckin' rifle
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> I think about goblin built aks from time to time
You shouldn’t. Goblins are more about advanced craftsmanship rather than shitting out millions of one object (other than coins)
They’re much closer to one of those high end custom gun makers, like Holland and Holland or Purdey
Can those gobbos craft me a StG-44 replica?
Is there seriously no "shield magic" or somesuch that can just block bullets and make any fight against a muggle a free win for the mage?
There are shield spells and they can be endowed to objects, but there's no info on how they deal with kinetic things
I see. I always liked how Eva handled the interaction of its pseudo-magic (A.T. Fields) with conventional weapons, that being that it is possible for a conventional kinetic weapon to breach an A.T. Field, but only if it is of such an enormous scale that you need to be launching cruise missiles just to wound an opponent armed with an A.T. Field, and conventional weapons are best used to disorient rather than to seriously hurt, with a grand total of 2 occasions when a kinetic weapon successfully kills an Angel despite dozens of uses, one of which was after the A.T. Field was already neutralised.
The version of nukes they have in the series aren’t even nuclear, they’re just mega Thermobaric weapons.
Imagine a 1MT Thermonuclear warhead on an angel. The fusion heat of such a weapon would affect any subatomic horseshit the AT Field is made from. Atoms do not operate under typical physics at such temperatures, and Angels have went down with far less.
I believe the explanation from JK was that Most wizards are so sheltered they don't understand how guns work, and most defensive magic isn't set up to stop bullets.
Ok so that pretty much confirms they would be fucked in any war with muggles. If they don't even understand how guns work, how are they going to defend themselves from drone strikes?
that's kind of why the wizarding world is kept secret from non-magic users besides the top dog of the country.
It ain't to protect muggles from wizards, it's the other way around
Utter nonsense. You can literally cast spells to charm the leaders of the free world.
and we can cast a spell of atom split on your unwiped wizard asses
The wizarding world got BTFO by random peasants with pitchforks in the middle ages so badly they had to establish their own entirely separate society that they still do as much as they can to keep hidden, I don’t think any but the most powerful and plot armored could hope to have anything to so much as protect themselves without relying on dumb luck.
>also harry potter is all about why a well armed and trained populace is a good thing, I only watched a couple of the movies and trannies can feast upon my scrotum
i'd like to see them shield magic their way out of a hail of 40 bullets their way.
Depends on the gun, the distance between the two people and how fast the wizard can cast Avada Kadavra.
Yes. I seem to recall the author even having stated that a very long time ago.
That's part of the reason why the wizarding world keep up the masquerade, and keep their existance secret.
The witch hunts in the past showed them that muggles are capable of overpowering them, and will wipe them out if they feel threatened. An army of military-equipped muggles will turn hogwarts into a pile of rubble if they want. Better to keep your head low and not draw any attention to yourself.
a .50 cal machine gun will kill wizards and muggles alike. And it won't get tired.
>An army of military-equipped muggles will turn hogwarts into a pile of rubble
They would have to figure out that tech doesn't work close to it and then find a way to get around that, if you fire a bullet from far away I doubt it'd stop flying.
Then again the books never went into details what constitutes technology that would stop working, maybe a dumb bomb is simple enough to still blow up.
Given the flexibility of magic I'm sure they could have a spell to just prevent explosive chemical reactions inside of some spell field. Or all incoming explosives get transmuted into birds or something. They can do arbitrary subatomic matter manipulation at will. Just because they haven't generally bothered in the books with stuff that has no applicability doesn't mean they couldn't easily counter it.
And that ignores the WAY bigger thing which is
>An army of military-equipped muggles will turn hogwarts into a pile of rubble
It's literally impossible for muggles to even FIND hogwarts or a lot of other locations. They can't even perceive it. In a security situation there wouldn't even be anyone to follow or trace, because everyone can fucking teleport!
It's a stupid setup, we could never beat that level of magic with no magic. It literally defies our laws of reality. It's an out-of-context problem. I mean fuck guys, Wizards could just teleport right into our depots or silos and make off with our nukes and now what? The only way any of this works is if some sect of wizards "defects" to the muggle side and successfully sets up a hybrid nation and then wages war, but that's non-trivial too. At one point I actually thought it was pretty unrealistic that hadn't happened yet, but I can also see a standing "don't get involved" order in all major countries after a few subtle threats of "if you do every single last politician and leader dies that same night".
All of the wizards in HP are woefully ignorant of the muggle world and literally can't comprehend basic appliances. If war were to happen they'd be unable to disable muggle tech in general, but able to hide and teleport (though this has limited use because even surprise jumping in a room of people can go bad. Only certain sites like Hogwarts have enough magic to be unmappable and this is a product of both the wizards casting spells and magical artifacts of Hogwarts. Magic as a whole is also not core studied which is why Hermione is so much smarter than everyone else. She applies muggle logic, understand the system, observe what you can impact, and exploit it. Mr. Weasly does the same but is literally one of the most knowledgeable human culture/tech knowers in the wizarding world, but can't understand basics. Now you must be thinking, oh you're exaggerating but as per Rowling herself, early wizards shit their clothes then used magic to clean it, rather than just pulling down their drawers. When you fight a society like that you're fighting the smartest retard. It's gonna surprise you with some shit you ain't never seen, then they're gonna die to chem weapons because gas attacks don't exist in their mind.
I wonder what the Wizarding world thought of the World Wars
Dont ask what happened at Hogwarts 1933-1945
From what the universe shows it seems most of Europe selects out of society into their own, so it'd probably be similar to how the Swiss or non aligned nations felt.
in pottermore it states dumbledore dabbed on a wizard natzee trying to hide in the wizarding world and was also somewhat instrumental in starting the death eaters
>All of the wizards in HP are woefully ignorant of the muggle world and literally can't comprehend basic appliances
No, because literally tons of them are directly from the muggle world and go back there every summer. That's like a core plot point so the rest of this goes out the window. It's also one of the core inconsistencies and why it's not actually a very good story if you dig into it, there is no reason for everyone to be very impressed by the killing curse or "omg blew up a bunch of people with one spell!", like sure for native wizards yeah but there are enough muggle students that some should go "huh so like a bomb".
As far as Rowling goes she's just trying to make shit up to maintain her setting vs "yeah I just didn't think that through very well, but due to plot it'll never come up".
>When you fight a society like that you're fighting the smartest retard. It's gonna surprise you with some shit you ain't never seen, then they're gonna die to chem weapons because gas attacks don't exist in their mind.
Literally the same thing would go the other way anon. Our leadership is full of retards too. We've barely even touched on a billion other options magic gives. This is PrepHole so of course people think weapons, fine, but like, wizards can just transmute money and shit. They can just fucking bribe powerful corporations with valuable services and get lobbyists onboard.
Objectively speaking the fact is the masquerade was maintained so clearly they've got something going on in wizard government that works. If we start imagining different scenarios then everything else changes too.
Reminds me of that scifi novel where a blackpowder tech empire has space travel capabilities due to some element that isn't on earth but anyone who can work iron can use it and invades Earth in cast iron ships and line infantry only to get their shit wrecked by modern military forces. IIRC they thought at first the humans had baited them.
What book if you remember? In some ways kind of reminds me of The Damned Trilogy where humans end up being militarily extremely capable vs interstellar civilization despite not having a lot of advanced tech others consider basic.
Anyway though sure, absolutely you could make a super cool setting out of that sort of thing and conflict between societies like that, and some authors have. That's not harry potter though, kind of a waste of time to try to pound that square bent peg into a round straight hole lol. Rowling wanted to do "regular guy joins magic world" and the real world stuff is just for humor and to get people into it. The longer the series goes on the less the real world features.
The Road Not Taken by Harry Turtledove
A bunch of 11 year olds get scooped st that age into a secret society pulling them from the world and teaching them about new ones. Most juggle born end up leaving the muggle world and living as wizards. It's literal magic school for muggle tribals that removes their culture.
Honestly, aren't there like mind control and memory altering spells?
You could literally just force every person in power to sue for peace
>Honestly, aren't there like mind control and memory altering spells?
>You could literally just force every person in power to sue for peace
In principle there could be some counter measures for that I guess, people secretly watching for signs of mental manipulation, standing orders to go to war if it was done. The single biggest thing against wizards is the relatively small number of them, though it's still sizable given the power levels, with millions worldwide. Since it's kind of a half assed shit worldbuilding there are numbers all over the place, Rowling didn't think any of that through since it didn't matter to her. But only a fraction are strong enough to do the mind control stuff apparently. So basically it'd probably be impossible for them to mind control an entire army, just the leadership, so subordinates could be watching. You could probably also come up with a story around AI these days, maybe in a war vs wizards we'd turn over more and more control to advanced AI systems. That could be made very hard for wizards to deal with, like if they're based out of satellites in orbit. For that matter orbital laser or particle weapon platforms might actually be worth developing.
>Since it's kind of a half assed shit worldbuilding there are numbers all over the place, Rowling didn't think any of that through since it didn't matter to her
Yeah, it didn't matter when it was all just focused on the school, but it did get a little weird when in books seven there was suddenly a bigger world out there that was involved on all sorts of shenanigans and it all felt a little strange.
Not to mention now that I think back to it, once Voldemort was nearing absolute control there wasn't much of the muggle genocide he wanted, more just the occasional anti muggle terrorist attacks.
Then again it was the series that got me into reading as a kid, so I guess I can't complain.
Yeah maybe. From what I remember it was framed as an unintended side-effect of too much magic concentrated in one place and was really just there to handwave away, why there is no technology at Hogwarts. Because as practical as magic is compared to a lot of tech, I think having an excel sheet still beats having to do your accounting with scrolls, even if you can enchant a feather to write them.
>Yeah, it didn't matter when it was all just focused on the school, but it did get a little weird when in books seven there was suddenly a bigger world out there that was involved on all sorts of shenanigans and it all felt a little strange.
To some extent it simply had the problem of a brand new author happening upon a megahit right off. It's rare that happens, usually even for very good big authors by the time they have some huge hit it's after lots of earlier books. That gives them a chance to grow and have fuckups and then just abandon them and do better the next time around. But IIRC the first HP book was literally her very first real work. So the first book or two were kind of just whatever seemed neat. And then it took off so hard that it kind of consumed her career and there wasn't any real chance to do a fresh start.
>Not to mention now that I think back to it, once Voldemort was nearing absolute control there wasn't much of the muggle genocide he wanted, more just the occasional anti muggle terrorist attacks.
This at least is kinda excusable. It was still early stage of gaining control, yes he had the initial seizing of levers of power, but there was still lots of resistance out there, it wasn't cosolidated and fully fixed in place yet. There were also still lots of those who could resist in principle but like IRL would be willing to not risk their own skins with plausible deniability. So no big purges yet. If he'd won, killed HP and so on, then maybe 5-10 years later would be the big anti-human war or something. Nazis didn't start Final Solution day 1 either.
Yeah, I remember hearing that she just started writing the first book as a hobby or something and didn't expect it to take of like this.
Also I can at least appreciate the effort of her trying to retroactively weave in earlier stuff into the world building: Remember that cloak from Book 1? It's actually a super legendary artifact. Remember the McGuffin from Book 2? That's actually part of a greater system of get out of jail free cards for you soul.
>This at least is kinda excusable
is harry potter world really so shit that any wizard can simply will himself into locations he has never seen or been to or know even exist
I think you have to visualize where you want to go, and if you fuck up you can teleport different parts of your body to different locations and die. Aside from that I think there are no limits other than anti teleportation fields or something like that.
Though I can't recall if there is some workaround like seeing an image of the location or whatever.
>is harry potter world really so shit that any wizard can simply will himself into locations he has never seen or been to or know even exist
It's enough to be vaguely aware even. It's all handwavey magic shit. They also have remote viewing mirrors and animal scout shittery etc. One witch can literally transform herself into some sort of bug to spy. There's no experienced deep world building up front here, early books were rule of cool, whatever the plot needed. They were children books. Then I guess children and teens got older and still liked them and it became a megahit.
In the actual wizard world the counter to this is that anti-teleport spells are apparently pretty easy, attackers toss them out when they teleport in to trap whomever they're attacking, nicer homes are all warded let alone government, etc. So purely in the magic world it's very useful but not an i-win-button and of course some wizards are great at it and lots are kinda mediocre. But vs people without magic yeah it's fucking broken but so is a ton of other shit.
Unironically no, unless the muggles got wizards on their side. Which maybe they could. But we can see in-series (book 2) that magitech is perfectly possible wizards just don't like it, and frankly a lot of their skills turned to military usage are so fucking overpowered that it'd be over. Like teleportation alone means decapitation of every single world government and military command instantly. It's impossible to be safe from without magic. No See Me Fields, true perfect invisibility, zero supply chain issues since they can make food and such out of nothing or have warp space bags, warp space tents that are actually entire baracks inside but can hide as easily as a tent, and on and on and on.
The reason for the masquerade is to preserve their distinct world and not get sucked into the shitstorm of normal human geopolitics in-universe. Obviously IRL it's because the author didn't want to get into the obvious paradigm shifting implications of a true magic/tech society merger which would be a completely utterly different story more like Shadowrun.
Although honestly at this point the in-universe reason doesn't even look that bad. No smart phones, no AI apocalypse to worry about, capable of cleaning and preserving natural environments, it's not all roses but I can see a lot of people preferring the "backwards" magic society vs current tech civilization. Even a supervillain pure evil like Voldemort frankly looks kinda tame vs the destruction humans visit on each other all the fucking time, or the pure shit conditions much of humanity just lives in.
If you take the books at face value, Magic apparently turns you into a drooling retard, so pluses and minuses.
>Obviously IRL it's because the author didn't want to get into the obvious paradigm shifting implications of a true magic/tech society merger which would be a completely utterly different story more like Shadowrun.
Although shadowrun is a pretty fuckawesome setting and one of the only ones ever to actually do a magic/tech hybrid world right.
>do a magic/tech hybrid world right.
Check out Arcanum, if you haven't yet
Imagine typing all of that out for a middle-tier children's book series written by a schizo. Harry Potter has shit worldbuilding and no clearly defined consistency in its fictional universe. They may not have supply chain issues but only the upper tier of wizards know any combat oriented spells, and a fraction of that number have truly gamechanging abilities like invisibility, invulnerability, or instantaneous apparition. You'll forgive me if I'm skeptical that a society that can't handle like 50 death eaters, has no standing military or even police force (Aurors are just volunteer gays with no standardized training or chain of command), and a literal third-worlder tier understanding of science due to lack of any actual formalized education, would fare well in a full-scale war scenario. The second one of them gets captured and vivisected DARPA is going to be all over that shit, taking them apart and creating countermeasures, if they even lasted that long. If it was really that easy to take over muggledom Voldemort would have done it already in the years that he had available, otherwise he's just a complete fucking moron.
The actual smart thing to do as a wizard who wants to take over the world would be to establish yourself as a muggle politician and use your magic to influence people to put you in a position of high authority, and then divide and conquer. Unfortunately JK Rowling isn't that smart and this created a fictional world that makes no sense when you actually think hard about it.
>Harry Potter has shit worldbuilding and no clearly defined consistency in its fictional universe
Yes that's what I said. It's dumb.
>You'll forgive me if I'm skeptical
No I won't forgive you though.
>Imagine typing all of that out for a middle-tier children's book series written by a schizo.
>Does exactly that.
also like look what fucking site we're on lol
>omg how could there be autism on PrepHole!!??
>a kid gets on the shortbus and loudly announces
>"You're all retarded"
>the driver says please sit down
Wizard could literally teleport to White House, Avada Kedavra the president and disappear. Magic is crazy useful because of the reality bending things you can do not direct firepower.
>REPUBLICANS NATIONWIDE REPLACE THEIR MAGA CAPS WITH WIZARD HATS TO CELEBRATE THE DISAPPEARANCE OF PRESIDENT BIDEN
>J.K. ROWLING HATED BY TRANNIES AND moronS EVEN MORE THAN EVER BEFORE
There is only a handful of wizards, right? So wouldn’t that make wizards a minority in the US?
Look, all I’m saying is that if you hate wizards, you are a racist and only slightly better than literal Hitler.
>REPUBLICANS NATIONWIDE REPLACE THEIR MAGA CAPS WITH WIZARD HATS
...why? Some of them already are Grand Wizards.
NO NO NOT THAT KIND OF WIZARD
>Wizard could literally teleport to White House, Avada Kedavra the president
is there anything in harry potter universe that shields you from effects of magic? in Turtledove's After the Downfall, wearing a piece of dragon bone makes you more or less immune
>is there anything in harry potter universe that shields you from effects of magic?
No. Or rather, only other magic. It's not meant to be in any way "balanced" the real world stuff is just for audience familiarity. It might as well have been harry going through a tunnel into a completely different planet for all the effect our world has on the story beyond humor.
unironically the secret service could cap him before he does anything. aiming your wand and saying avada kadavra takes at least a second, right?
>unironically the secret service could cap him before he does anything
USSS isn't watching the POTUS 24/7 because there is no need. He's safe taking a shower or in his bedroom surrounded by agents because teleportation isn't a thing. Also wizards could just imperio and suborn a bunch of secret service.
But that's all only if wizards stay 100% perfectly unified, which is in some ways the most unbelievable of all the unbelievable shit in that series. SOMEONE is going to like technological life, or dislike the wizard world, or get cast out or end up a poorfag, and then decide to offer services to government instead. Wizard world has differences in wealth. All it would take would be a few decent ones working for government and the whole situation changes. They can start casting anti-teleport charms all over the White House and Pentagon and so on and now the whole instant decapitation thing goes away.
do the wizards even know what the united states is given that some of them have never interacted with the muggle world for hundreds of years?
Can't remember which book, but theres a brief part in one of the early ones that explicitly mentions 2 American Witches in their magic street in London, so I assume so.
They absolutely interact with the muggle world, at least at higher levels. The muggle born do so more then the ones farther away. But it's explicitly covered in the books, the ministry of magic flat out meets with the prime minister of britain to warn him about shit going down. They need some level of cooperation/knowledge/warning with regular human governance in order to keep up with their hidden world.
Like, "the muggle world" isn't actually a separate world at all obviously, any city wizard can literally just fucking walk over to it across the fucking street if they want. They travel through it all the time. Sure the country hick ones in totally cut off places can be more ignorant, that still leaves lots. For the books to work, essentially zero wizards in all of the industrial age can ever have decided to "change sides".
Frankly it probably would have been more believable and worked just as well if it literally was another world, and have it so that only those with potential for magic can use it, but magic itself doesn't work on earth at all. That'd solve the whole issue neatly. Rowling wanted "wizards in the back alleys" though.
In the books it states that the Ministry of Magic reveal themselves in secret to every new Prime Minister explaining that there's a magical world in the UK
This also happens if a new Minister is in charge
In Pottermore the PMs in question just simply tell them to fuck off and never show up again or get confused by the entire ordeal since no one will believe them if they said they've encountered wizards and shiieett
In Fantastic Beasts the burger wizards and witches have a rule to never interact with non-magic people whatsoever and couldn't care less what happens to America
Everything the wizards do is a step down for civilised people. The only thing they excel in, is sending their crap to the shadow realm and not invest into plumbing
Wonder if the only reason it’s “the shadow realm” is because it’s full of a bunch of wizard shit
I think for most intends and purposes wizards out muscle muggles besides guns. Not of you're having a western style match, but in any real scenario muggles are fucked. Ironically voldemord was hilariously incompetent at killing people, so there's that. I mean it *is* a children's story after all.
>global civilization where everyone is strapped from the day they turn 11
>somehow a guy and his fan club manage to terrorize them all because he's willing to be violent
>only a handful of people in this community (which includes people from every country) are willing to use their pieces in self-defense against just some guys with the same equipment they have
Like imagine if part of puberty was getting a single-action revolver, and the world's greatest terrorist was just some guy who would occasionally point his at somebody else, because only like six people on the planet figured out that they could use theirs defensively.
>and the world's greatest terrorist was just some guy who would occasionally point his at somebody else, because only like six people on the planet figured out that they could use theirs defensively.
sounds like the average US metropolitan city tbh
Is that even unrealistic given what we've seen of Western Europe this last year? Or Japan for awhile? It's clearly objectively possible for a culture to become so removed from use of force that it becomes incredibly resistent to doing so even in the face of direct major threats.
IIRC correctly, the actual "Wizarding world" is painfully small.. like were talking a .0001% of the world's population. I remember Rowling even stated there's not even a dozen "pure blood" families left in the whole world. 1 dude with a couple dozen followers can genuinely cause an issue.
I remember the books having some bullshit excuse about how in Hogwarts technology doesn't work, because there is too much magic in the air.
At least Arcanum had the decency to explain it, when using the exact same excuse.
>ywn have a magic mansion which disables modern technology within
feels bad man. i hate phones so much its unreal
I highly doubt that any amount of magic is going to save you from a B-43 nuclear bomb fitted with a one megaton warhead dropped from a Convair B-58 Hustler
>I highly doubt that any amount of magic is going to save you from a B-43 nuclear bomb fitted with a one megaton warhead dropped from a Convair B-58 Hustler
lol? Just setup a field that messes with detonation of specific high energy nitrogen bonds and nukes become non-functional. Or a spell that interferes with the weak nuclear force. Or transmute the nuke into sparrows. And airbases represent concentrated expensive assets. A 4 wizard strike group teleporting in with invisibility cloaks could wipe every single last aircraft at a typical base without anyone even realizing it, just by fucking with the engines.
>I'm not sure I remember that, I think maybe something which disrupted electronics and what not? Feels like the comparatively much more simple nature of a firearm may be a different matter altogether.
A firearm might work by default just because they wouldn't have bothered to deal with that particular chemical reaction. But the magic we see makes it obvious it'd be trivial to do so.
It's not a series worth thinking too heavily about though, author didn't actually spend that much effort trying to make everything self-consistent. It's just enough window dressing to create the "regular kid audience can identity with finds himself in another different world next to his own" setup and that's it. Which isn't a criticism, sometimes formulas are good. But lots of stuff makes no sense if you really contemplate on it.
That would require them to realize that they're under attack first, which is pretty hard when radar is a completely alien concept to you.
And magic detection spells are a completely impossible concept to us too anon. So again how does anyone even find significant magic locations? What if the magic government has magic underground structures under a mile of bedrock reachable exclusively by teleporation?
Actually I just realized the fucking obvious on why this is a retarded discussion: THEY HAVE FUCKING TIME TRAVEL. Which apparently even a random schoolgirl can just use for her studies! Like game fucking over.
>by some miracle nuke actually goes off and blows up a bunch of wizards
>they just go back in time an hour and this time stop it
now what genius?
>What if the magic government has magic underground structures under a mile of bedrock reachable exclusively by teleporation?
>Just setup a field that messes with detonation of specific high energy nitrogen bonds and nukes become non-functional. Or a spell that interferes with the weak nuclear force. Or transmute the nuke into sparrows. And airbases represent concentrated expensive assets. A 4 wizard strike group teleporting in with invisibility cloaks could wipe every single last aircraft at a typical base without anyone even realizing it, just by fucking with the engines.
Except these cloak wearing retards don't even know what atoms are so good luck building a spell that would do that. Don't say they'll just steal physics books because they're still stuck in in the Era where incest makes bloodlines pure and not just making super Habsburgs despite evidence to the contrary that's existed for centuries before genetics was even a thing that was studied. Kill all of the agents of the antichrist.
>they don't know technology
>ignore all the times they created superior technologies to what we have
>You flew the Gullfire over Leningrad, didn’t you?
Sure would in Arcanum. There's zero chance a finely machined and calibrated device like a nuke would function near even a novice mage. The more physical laws a mechanism relies on and the smaller the tolerances are, the less magical presence it takes to cause a failure.
I'm not sure I remember that, I think maybe something which disrupted electronics and what not? Feels like the comparatively much more simple nature of a firearm may be a different matter altogether.
Unless you go the cap and ball route. Seven shots, smokeless, double-action, far from cutting edge, and still a cope gun, but not shabby all in all.
That looks cool as fuck, who makes it?
Westlake, I think they were called. Largely they import partially completed revolvers, which aren't yet one of those prohibited categories, then complete them as cap and ball guns.
That one is a South American Rossi, it's little more than just a new cylinder arm and a new cylinder (which uses .357 caliber projectiles and shotgun primers), they also make some from Czech Alfa revolvers, and I believe to a smaller extent from Filipino Rock Island/Armscor.
The British gov't fucking hates them, but it's fully legal and they champion on.
Probably electricity disruption. Take electricity out of the equation and most modern tech stops functioning
wouldn't that cause humans to drop dead too?
>At least Arcanum had the decency to explain it
What was the explanation again?
Basically technology is reliant on the idea that the laws of physics exist and function correctly and that stuff like gravity doesn't just suddenly stop being a thing. Magic in Arcanum temporarily suspends the laws of the universe in the area in order to make their bullshit powers work, so that makes technology not feel good.
>mfw the transfer student from US starts casting "Arms Lita"
It takes 1-2 seconds to say some dumb shit in Latin and a fraction of a second to squeeze a trigger, what do you think buddy?
British guns for muggles have wands built in.
do you think the muggles could wipe out the wizards if they wanted too? i think so. imagine in situations like picrel if someone just shot the other guy in the head before he could cast a spell?
Absolutely. A lot of the combat situations that the wizards put themselves in would have been resolved with higher efficiency and speed with a firearm.
>Are muggle guns better weapons than wands casting Avada Kadavra?
no. but a magic version would be.
>perfect silent shots with muffle spell
>dimensional mag means you can have like 10000 rounds of ammo
>magic antigravity recoil dampening
>barrels/chambers have impervious spell on them or made of orihalcum or something and can handle 500k psi for millions of rounds
>bullets can have spells on them
IIRC the wizards decided that muggles outpaced them in terms of power so now they moreso keep themselves secret to protect themselves rather than fearing muggles getting access to curses. Hell even a wizards home spells are nasty, what do you think a deboning or dehydrating or gutting spell does to a human?
Technically gun would be faster but wizards have shit like shields or could enchant clothes to stop bullets.
against a poorly trained kid that slowly spells out spells and waves his wand around yes guns are faster and easier to use
if you know your shit wands are way stronger tho
>Hot air balloons and cheap cameras exist
How would that help? You or a camera looks at it and you just don't see it. The magic interferes.
>Wizard could literally teleport to White House, Avada Kedavra the president and disappear. Magic is crazy useful because of the reality bending things you can do not direct firepower.
A lot worse. Us humans have zero possible resistence to mind control or memory manipulation. Wizards don't have to kill the president or JCoS or Congress or SCOTUS or whomever, they can just control them and have them order everyone to stand down (or to pursue idiotic strategies).
>first day of war
>putin suddenly orders nuclear strikes on US, EU and China
>biden and xi and macron order counter strikes
>almost all serious human military capability eliminated
whoops. Also any conventional weapons are made better with magic. Straight up to nukes. Wizards just don't like to, but nothing like an actual war to encourage human innovation. In terms of self-consistency and maintaining the masquerade book 2 (arguably even book 1) was a big mistake since it showed the magic car. Which immediately made it clear that magic APCs or aircraft or whatever could work as well. Author probably realized that which is why she stayed away from tech-fusion plot lines after. But if we're speculating on a war with the muggles they could take any of our tech and throw it right back with spells layered on top, though sure there'd probably be a few years of adaption.
Yes. Rowling herself said a wizard can’t beat a gun
What annoys me is that Half Bloods and Muggle born Wizards don’t have any military connections in the world? They could’ve easily taken voldy out
I think everyone overestimates the size of the magic world. Their supposed governing body in UK, the Ministry, always seems to be struggling and are influenced easily by dark outside forces, which makes sense if their not a big government.
It might just be too few muggle/half blood connection to the general population to really have those kinds of connections and influence to bring in regular military collaboration.
Maybe MACUSA might be more militarily organized in modern times?
So does this mean the American Wizarding school would take a massive shit on every other Wizarding school since they are subject to firearms? I know the American Wizarding school is a mixture of MesoAmerican/Native America/Western Europe magic but with it being established in the late 1600s they would have to weave in firearms related spell shit.
I'm surprised that no Death Eater has ever bothered getting a gun.
Harry and Hermione also are retarded to not get guns for the defense of Hogwarts.
I bet Seamus can get M16s, grenades, M2s and an assorted variety of pistols and submachineguns in the 90s.
Hahrid canonically owns a black powder gun and carries ammo on his person
Hermione with a Hi-Power
I mean, frankly it just comes down to bad writing. Though given the entire setting is full of literal magic for deus ex machina Rowling could have just gone in book 1 "oh yeah after the 40s wizards created anti-gunpowder spells and every magic area has them" and that'd be that. The point was just to get to the place to tell the story she wanted, not to create something where it'd all come up organically.
We should remember as well that this is a bong author and the setting is in bongland. Public attitudes, knowledge and so on of guns and so on are all really different. "Wilderness" might as well not exist in most of England (even if some places are slowly turning back), that country has been under civilization for thousands of years.
It is kinda interesting how the setting has aged (or not) though. England is also heading towards panopticon as hard as anywhere in the world outside of China. Wizards would have to learn some level of tech, at least in wizard government, just to maintain the masquerade as London gets completely covered with networked AI cameras and security shit everywhere. Any human "just disappearing into a wall", or even facial recognition suddenly losing some kid, would send up instant red flags if wizards don't infiltrate the monitoring agencies (or strike a deal with government to ignore it). In some ways it was really a product of its time. Series began in the late 90s, when tons of people didn't even have computers let alone smart phones. Web was in its infancy. Google didn't exist. Holy shit have things shifted in just a few decades.
The wizards would probably do pretty good with conventional weaponry supplemented by magic. Guns that never run out of ammo, machine guns that never overheat, bullets that change trajectory to hit people, tanks that fly, etc.
>carrying muggle weapon
>I bet Seamus can get M16s, grenades, M2s and an assorted variety of pistols and submachineguns in the 90s.
He definitely knows a guy who knows a guy who can. They wouldn't even need to do that though. Invisibility cloak + polyjuice allows them to walk into any military base in the world and take whatever they want. If they feel bad about stealing, they can always donate to a veterans charity after.
Yes Anon, a midnight raid should do the trick. He'll wake up to a flashbang, then go to sleep forever.
It depends on what JKR feels like. Honestly this would all be solved if their was a scene where a death eater gets plastered by a shotgun by a muggle as said DE was about attack harry. The real question is if the American wizards use guns or are they as arrogant as the European wizards
If Harry and Ron had L1A1s they would have stopped most of the Death Eaters, giants and all those giant spiders ensuring the battle is just Voldemort vs the rest of Hogwarts.
The entire series is the most stuffy stereotypical britshit ever penned, from their nauseating infantile words for describing whimiscal bullshit to the way they dress and interact with eachother. The only thing those two limey gays would have done with an L1a1 is apologize to the Queen for daring to touch such a forbidden object without her majesty's divine blessing shortly before surrendering it to the local bobby with his clown hat and twirling stick.
will use aveda kedabra, crucio and imperio
will use infernus plus other destructive spells
will never use aveda kedabra, crucio and imperio
will use infernus but not all destructive spells
they will only spam expelliamus and patronus
JK Rowling even back in the 90s hates guns so she made sure that they were omitted in every HP book she wrote and just expanded their existence in interviews.
right its a huge waste of time to try to think any more deeply about it. she is a gun hating bong. she made a setting with magic. she could thus do whatever the fuck she wanted to satisfy herself and did. simple as
>I hate guns
>gives everyone magical murder sticks
Its beyond retarded too when you consider every wand is basically capable of mass destruction and death and the things you shouldn't use with it are taught to children.
Rowling made it though so most people can't use them as murder sticks, and also they're more like phasers, they may have a destroy setting but there's a lot of stun settings first. A threat but more "civilized". Also the spell can be dodged, and using it is a supercrime. It's anti-gunner wish fulfillment, a "peaceful tool" being corrupted, anyone using it to kill doing something wrong since they could be using it to stun instead.
It exposes her infantile view on weapons. The rules are very fluid and there is little stopping psychopaths from abusing them.
>ends Wizard War with a six shooter
I think it is canonically confirmed that wizards would get curbstomped by 'muggles' in conflict, thus the secret society.
Some Hufflepuff gay can correct me of course.
>hey check out my multiwand casting 1500 Avada Kedavras per minute
>no NES and SNES
>no Tandy Computer and DOS games
>no Web 1.0
>no TV kino
Wizarding world sucks if you're a Muggleborn
>Doesn't use guns combined with magic
Well honestly after thinking a bit about I think the real reason the wizard world could outpace the muggle world is intellegence, the fact that you can mind control individuals, create perfect spies, be perfectly invisible, trick your enemies into believing they have won, extract highly reliable intellegence with a truth serum or be able to predict the future is most likely the strongest points for wizarding society. It is also worth noting that since we never see a projectile being fired at a wizard we dont know what the response would be, for all we know there are magical items that turn every bullet and bomb into a puff of smoke. The world of harry potter is on purpose very loosely defined and I am guessing JK just doesnt even want to bring up a muggle vs wizard idea. But there are real obvious absurdly strong concepts presented in the book and the also seems to be plausible concepts that would nullify the advantage normal humans have
>Hit someone with Avada Kadavra and he dies
>Hit someone 20 times with 9mm and he keeps advancing
No, not unless you're using .45 ACP for stopping power.
Yes in that you can’t dodge or deflect bullets. No in that grevious physical injury can be repaired with magic, but the Death Spell irreparably severs the soul/body connection, causing instant death.
Certainly a man with a M60 in a wizard convention is probably better at causing mass casualties than skilled duelist wielding Unforgivable magic.
If I remember right, Avada Kadavra has travel time, and while magically unblockable (aside from LOVE), it can be blocked physically with non-living objects.
>can be blocked physically with non-living objects
so.. a space suit?
Why do clothes not work?
In the books the Death Eaters go on a rampage in western England and charm the muggles to believe it was a hurricane. That was an attack on (presumably unarmed) civilians, but the closest example of a direct confrontation between wizards and humans. Considering how stupid, divided, and tiny the the wizarding population is implied to be I think there's a reason they are so secretive.
"lorewise" avada kadavra doesn't even work if you aren't absolutely 100% hellbent on straight up murdering someone out of pure malice, meaning like only 1% of total psychopaths in the already laughably tiny wizarding world would be capable of actually using it.
Meanwhile literally any random jackass on the street can pick up a gun and shoot someone with it.
Their killing spells are nothing compared to muggle weapons. Even the cheapest shotgun would be more effective, let alone high-end military gear.
The actual danger would be that they can do other stuff like wiping memories or teleporting long distances. If Voldemort were a decent strategist he would manipulate muggle society from the shadows instead of going on killing sprees.
If the Order of the Phoenix had 5 brain cells between them they would inform the muggle government of the Death Eater coup and get some help. It only takes one wizard navigator to get through all the concealment charms and they can drop the SAS onto Voldy's roof. Let's see him try to block 9mm from every conceivable breaching point at the same time.
>Let's see him try to block 9mm from every conceivable breaching point at the same time.
better do it while hes sleeping so can't teleport out
HP Wizards make effective use of non magical throwing knives, and consider recruiting a few dozen dog sized spiders with no significant superpowers to be a significant tactical edge in combat.
>b-b-but they can teleport behind you and time travel and nothin' personnel
As you point out, the world that JKR built is CANONICALLY backwards willed with sheltered wizards. Muggles EZ clap 'em except you know glowies are gonna capture and MKUltra them.
>Wizards are so sheltered from muggle shit that they don't even know what guns are according to the lore
>But also wizards can be born from non-wizard parents and get into Hogwarts when they're already 10, and even go back to live with their muggle parents after the school term ends
Trying to extract any kind of logic out of Rowling's work requires shitty flash game escape room tier logic
most people know very little about violence
Find me a single 10 year old who isn't some weird isolate tribal in the Amazon who doesn't know what a gun is
nta but come on man, sure they "know what a gun is" but on fucking PrepHole of all places you cannot possibly be ignorant of the crazy stuff noguns come to believe. A bare majority of the population has probably never seen a gun fired IRL and that's in America, in the UK it's probably more like 95+%. Lots will see it in fiction, but for children in the UK nanny state watching rated-G only stuff? We're in a bubble man. The days when a father started teaching his son on a 22 by the time he was 6 or 7 like my father taught me are long gone for the majority unfortunately.
Sure, I wouldn't deny their ideas about guns would probably be absolutely next level retardation, but the idea that most wizards genuinely do not even know what a gun is in the first place is stupid as fuck.
>if I remember correctly it's an insta-kill on pretty much everybody hitting anywhere on the body
>wand can be concealed easily and just looks like a regular stick, so easy to transport and carry on person.
>shock and awe factor
>no misfire, jams or non-user based failures
>requires way more training to get it right
>need to recite incantation before firing (granted its a short one but still)
>could be miscast if your focus or chi or whatever is fucked up or if you say it wrong
I'd still take the gun by a large margin.
Choice of weapon is irrelevant in the dullest franchise in the history of movie franchises written for people whose imaginative lives are confined to TV cartoons, and the exaggerated (more exciting, not threatening) mirror-worlds of soaps, reality TV and celebrity gossip?
Each episode following the boy wizard and his pals from Hogwarts Academy as they fight assorted villains has been indistinguishable from the others. Aside from the gloomy imagery, the series’ only consistency has been its lack of excitement and ineffective use of special effects, all to make magic unmagical, to make action seem inert.
Perhaps the die was cast when Rowling vetoed the idea of Spielberg directing the series; she made sure the series would never be mistaken for a work of art that meant anything to anybody, just ridiculously profitable cross-promotion for her books. The Harry Potter series might be anti-Christian (or not), but it’s certainly the anti-James Bond series in its refusal of wonder, beauty and excitement. No one wants to face that fact. Now, thankfully, they no longer have to.
>a-at least the books were good though
The writing is dreadful; the book was terrible. As I read, I noticed that every time a character went for a walk, the author wrote instead that the character "stretched his legs."
I began marking on the back of an envelope every time that phrase was repeated. I stopped only after I had marked the envelope several dozen times. I was incredulous. Rowling's mind is so governed by cliches and dead metaphors that she has no other style of writing. Later I read a lavish, loving review of Harry Potter by the same Stephen King. He wrote something to the effect of, "If these kids are reading Harry Potter at 11 or 12, then when they get older they will go on to read Stephen King." And he was quite right. He was not being ironic. When you read "Harry Potter" you are, in fact, trained to read Stephen King.
>work of art
moron, what? Rip on Rowling all you want, but Spielberg's movies are not works of art. Spielberg is to movies as EA is to video games; a high-budget sausage factory guaranteed to turn out something that cattle will give money to see, but totally devoid of any artistic merit. Am I saying Spielberg is a bad director? No, I'm saying he's extremely competent but his output has more in common with a daytime TV soap than literature. Spielberg, Bay etc are the final form of the corporate production boss: movies that are 100% schlock mass market appeal and 0% art.
> but Spielberg's movies are not works of art.
They are. One of the best filmmakers in history. ET was literally genius with the never showing an adult’s face until the third act when main scientist guy takes off the scary helmet and is just a nice dude” meme
>One of the best filmmakers in history.
I don't disagree, but you're not separating the level of technique on display from the outcomes it's used to create, and you're also using a work from 41 years ago to justify his artistic merit.
If Spielberg did Harry Potter, it would have been over the period 2002-2012 to deconflict with finishing Kubrick's AI in 2001. In that period Spielberg put out:
Catch Me if You Can,
War of the Worlds,
Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull,
The Adventures of TinTin,
War Horse, and
There are probably two good movies in there. Not great, but good. Perhaps only Munich could be described as having artistic merit, and even then it's in its cinematography, with the only others trying to punch out some art doing it in the bounds of genre throwback played straight (and badly).
If Spielberg was ever making literature on the screen, which is debateable, by 2002 he definitely wasn't. If Spielberg made Harry Potter it would have been an endless stream of workmanlike dirty over-the-shoulder dialogue scenes to move the plot forward interspersed with enough meaningless CGI spectacle to keep viewers awake. We know this because that's what all the movies he made in the period (and afterwards, and mostly for a while before) were. Better or worse than what we got, who can say, but not good.
>the author wrote instead that the character "stretched his legs."
I don't think I have ever heard a bong say that they were "going for a walk" and I lived there for a decade.
Didn't Rowling mention once that American wizards do actually do gun magic? iirc, she couldn't give an adequate explanation for why that didn't become the dominant form of casting beyond
>"guns aren't really a thing in the uk so they aren't in hogwart's neither"
>mention once that American wizards do actually do gun magic
>no wizard cowboys in story
That's a missed opportunity if I ever saw one.
To me it seems pretty plausible that you could enchant clothing to stop bullets. And you have invisibility as a wizard. I'm unsure how you'd flip it into a win as a non-mage.
They had the ability to make hats that protected them from like 90% of spells for hundreds of years and no one thought to do it until Fred and George.
“accio glock 19/expelliarmus”
congrats you brought nothing to a
magic fight, you’re dead and might as well be californian
Can protect even stop baby .22s?
Avada Kadavra instantly separates the soul from flesh and once landed the result cannot be undone. Bullets are not so instant, healing magic is a thing but in the books almost noone focuses on it, even in DADA coursework which you think would be a given, or maybe even the most basic thing taught first. So, the tactics could definitely be improved to balance muggles v wizards better but in the books the strategy has always been hiding and running because wizards and witches are reasonable people generally and don't want to genocide the rest of humanity. I mean sure weapons might be more powerful on average but you can't exactly fight the concealed enemy who can teleport through your formations instantly cleaving soul from flesh without uttering a word. You'd need to set up some kind of overpressure airwave mines to blast them when they teleport in or something.
99.999 percent of the time Wizards act like drooling retards even if it gets them killed.
Can they turn like a full tree into magic wand artillery?
It's not just the wood, they all have 'cores', made of magic-sounding bullshit. Unicorn nose hairs, dragon heartstrings, OP's former penises, those sorts of things.
IIRC the magic comes from the person, while the wand just focuses it like a lens. So increasing the size of the wand wouldn't change the power. Just one more way in which muggle weaponry is superior. All they needed to do was give the muggle government GPS coordinates of Voldemort's location and they could have it shelled.
>team of "death eaters" with a surprise attack on a completely complacent pre-9/11-tier populace with the wizard ~~*news*~~ denying they even exist
>can barely even fuck up a shitty football game
>an incel asian with the worlds shittiest 22 pistol and a glock
I wouldn't think too much about Harry Potter world building.
There's a super hard to make potion that gives you a temporary luck boos that Harry gets in Book 6 or so. It's written as if drinking that potion and setting yourself any goal will make you accomplish it by pure luck.
I can't imagine any other scenario other than anyone who gets a drop of it, immediately sets out to make themselves an endless supply of it, which they'd succeed at thanks to the luck boost.
Then just live a happy life where everything you want comes to you.
Maybe that is what the elites in the universe are doing and Harry is just and idiot who didn't think of it.
Best of both worlds: Harry Potter and the chamber is loaded
>"HARRY POTTER DID YOU PUT CRINGE ON YOUR FUCKING GLOCK?" Dumbledore asked calmly
No. Read the supplementary materials and you'd know this:
>Then I looked out the window and screamed… Snap was spying on me and he was taking a video tape of me! And Loopin was masticating to it! They were sitting on their broomsticks.
>“EW, YOU FUCKING PERVS, STOP LOOKING AT ME NAKED! ARE YOU PEDOS OR WHAT!” I screamed putting on a black towel with a picture of Marilyn Mason on it. Suddenly Vampire ran in.
>“Abra Kedavra!” he yelled at Snape and Loopin pointing his womb. I took my gun and shot Snape and Loopin a gazillion times and they both started screaming and the camera broke.
-My Immortal, Chapter 11
Wizards can take literal gazillions of bullets. Even though it's not explicitly stated the weapon she is armed with, it can be inferred with context clues that Ebony Dark'ness Dementia Raven Way would not arm herself with anything less powerful than .44 magnum, and all the barrage achieved was destroying a (likely muggle-made) camcorder.