I know someone who is obsessed with buying $1-2k Gucci handguns (usually they’re some kind of rebuilt striker fired gun from a tiny company I’ve never heard of).
Is there any actual advantage to buying one of these for carry purposes? I’m the type to just buy a $500 pistol and keep it stock
>$2k
>gucci
>4x the price of a standard service pistol isn't Gucci
Dude has a point. Wilson Combat, Alchemy, and Nighthawk won't even hardly sell you a gun for less than $3000. Stacatto's service grade 2011 starts at $2500 and it's considered an entry level 2011 style pistol (unless you like Turks). Don't get me wrong there is plenty of nice stuff in the price range between $500 and $3000, but for something that is actually a legitimate custom full build gun there are a lot more extreme options out there than a $2000 Staccato or "custom" Glock derivative.
Its not.
Correct. A bmw m3 is not a supercar.
Nice things are nice. But strikers? You can spend a million dollars on a striker fire and it’ll still be worse than an entry 2011 like the Staccato, yes, staccato is entry level.
>1-2k
Is not gucci. It’s like retard tier if you’re buying a 500 dollar gun with plastic surgery they upcharge you 1000 dollars for
Your carry gun is something you should like shooting, a more expensive gun may be better shooting, more fun to shoot.
2k is not gucci. All that matters for a carry gun is your comfort with it and your profficiency with it.
$2k is getting up there for a stock pistol, there's some nice 2011s that are $2k. Anything below and no, you're just getting a nice pistol. When you get to $500 and below you're getting poverty shit.
$500 for a carry gun is a sweet spot. Reliable quality with reputable brands and cheap enough that you don't care enough that it gets beat up and worn down by CC. Also no biggie if it ends up in an evidence locker
A Dagger or serialized P80 or SD9VE or Shield Plus still are great pistols despite poverty prices. People don't know how good we have it compared to even 20 years ago.
I mean even the Turks have made 1911s affordable and reliable out the box when you got lucky if you found a NOS Norinco 1911 for less than $500 that hadn't been Bubba'd
>i MeAn
>out the box
You’re black aren’t you?
i mean posting is definitely a white person thing. its just white people's tbh
2k for a Glock or sig is gucci
>glock
>gucci
Think before you post
Like anything else there are diminishing returns. However, spending over $2k on strikershit before you even add your own red dot, WML, etc. is retarded. A semicustom DA/SA like an LTT Elite RDO would actually be worth that much.
If you want the best made 1911 and you like 9mm and you appreciate the machining that goes into these little fuckers (if you think about it, it's pretty crazy how good guns are/well made) then the price is justified. Many want them, there's only so much supply, and you can fall deeper into the rabbithole of GRAIL shit. But be reasonable, if you can't afford it don't have a nice day on a 2011 there's a lot of objectively good pistols nowadays.
>boxed milk
>1k is considered gucci in burgerland
You fuckers are so spoiled, a basic Walther PDP is $850 in germany. Entry level competition guns start at around $2k.
>guns are cheaper in the country that doesn't treat them like taboo relics of a bygone age
I cannot stress how pathetic you are Germany
If you're a huge gun nut/nerd, then maybe. I know someone who got a Staccado for 3k and it was the best gun he'd ever shot. Though as a casual normie myself, i see no reason dropping more than 1k on a single gun, better yet a HANDGUN
But i guess it's just one of those things i won't get or understand until i actually get one. Im too poor to be interested in guns to begin with
>Im too poor to be interested in guns to begin with
>t. average /k/ poster
>started browsing /k/ as a broke noguns teenager inna ban state over a decade ago
>now hasguns hascans guccifag supreme inna free state
i like to think we inspire people
>A Dagger or serialized P80 or SD9VE or Shield Plus
I have owned all of these (although my p80s arent serialized), the sd9ve should not be in this category. the shield plus is a legit excellent carry option if you're too manlet/beltlet/holsterlet for a g19
pic related is the average "gUcCi gLoCk" owner. gucci glock is like 20 inch rims on a rusted out honda. wilson, nighthawk, and their peers are ACTUAL gucci. top tier machining, hand fitment by someone who actually knows what they are doing, etc. that's the difference between quality and flashiness
>don't see myself spending more than 1k on a rifle
Lemme guess, you own 5 psa tier poverty ponies.
Only "gucci" 1911s are SVI and Cabot and the like. Ones who will literally make it exactly as you ask. Even nighthawk and wilson imo are "custom from a catalogue" fags.
>"custom from a catalogue"
aka boutique.
there are expensive guns which deliver premium quality and there are expensive guns with deliver little more than questionable aesthetics.
>2000 for a striker fire is a joke. However, the staccato is a bad ass gun. Fired the compact and full-size. Fired a WC 1911, and didnt think the price increase over a SF TRP, or Kimber TLE C II was worth it. I personally carry a Walther PPS. or PDP <$500 if you look around.
Who are you quoting?
No one. I meant to say > (more than).
I put nice grips, a ebay trigger, and painted the white dots on my stainless tisas. It looks way better. the p80s i put together all have gucci parts. i think its really cool you can pimp your own stuff for a fraction of the price
I think that spending good money on a pistol is probably the best money you can spend on a firearm if you carry.
Staccato is an amazing company and their 2011 feel amazing. That being said, they’re overcharging by $1000+. However they need to in order to keep the air of exclusivity, same with all designer clothing brands.
I'm not great with pistols but I found nothing that would make a difference within self defense ranges after trying glocks, USPs, Walthers, etc. It seems very rare to have a self defense scenario that is not within 5m, at this range if it's reliable I don't see what would benefit you besides being easy to conceal and capacity
who on /k/ actually has gucci pistols?
>gucci pistol
>cheapo optic
sro is in the mail, this came "free" with it
You sure the SRO will work with the forward backup irons? I thought the IOS needed a different plate for the SRO vs normal RMR/507c
I just robbed some old boomer for Wilson combat 1911, I feel bad. I hope he wasn’t selling it for medical reasons or whatever because he’s not affording
yep exactly, i have a special SRO plate without the front (rear) sight for this exact reason.
nice snag on the WC
define Gucci pistol.
strong cost/utility disparity.
Clark custom built in '72, gunsmith-made slide (this is before factory made 1911 long slides existed) fully hand-fitted, that gucci enough?
Laughed out loud at this. Exactly what id imagine a literal boomer to pull out behind the counter.
Obviously not you
No
Something like this Canik TP9SFX Rival will legitimately do like 99.5% of what a decent 2011 will do at a fraction of the cost. Furthermore, it is better than literally ANY "Gucci Glock" and no I would not call my own Glock in this picture "gucci", it's just a Glock with an upgraded trigger and otherwise its just a fucking Glock which really is all ya actually need. The Canik fucking runs though. I shoot the piss out of that pistol and it hasn't failed me yet. The trigger is like clicking a computer mouse. I honestly would put it up there with a 2011 trigger but I've never owned a 2011, I have played with them but I haven't LIVED with it and eventually, despite the fact the Canik does MOST of what the 2011 will, I'd like to have a 2011. If you like shooting handgun then yes, I think a 2011 is worth it. If you don't truly enjoy shooting pistols then spending more money on a pistol won't really make you enjoy it any more than you do now. It will make it easier though.
BTW, I swapped the optics on these two around. The SRO was getting debris from the Glock ejection port so I put it on the Canik and moved the Horosun to the Glock and it actually worked out well.
Big wall of cope
It's literally not cope. The Canik TP9SFX Rival is being used to win national and international championships left and right. It was just used to win the IDPA championship and prior to that had been used in the USPSA Carry Optics championship run. Yes, that has a lot to do with the shooter but when you're talking about top tier shooters yes they are all min maxxing their equipment and The Canik TP9SFX Rival is the Meta. I'd like to see how it does in the new Limited Optics division, especially the steel one. But you can go try one for yourself. The trigger is legitimately excellent and so are the rest of the ergos.
It's literally just a good gun that isn't expensive but is nice. I bet its more reliable than a typical 2011 too because they are, ultimately, a 1911 with a double stack mag. Oh, and mags don't cost $100 like Atlas mags.
Eventually I will buy a 2011 but the Canik really does 99.5% of what a decent 2011 will. It's better than something like a Springfield Prodigy. It just is.
They don’t win because of the gun. They use Canik because Canik pays them to use the gun, they were top competitors before their Canik sponsorship
a nice pistol has a dramatic effect on your performance despite what poorfags want to believe
They are literally paid to use the Canik
It didn't become widely used because Canik decided to train up 1,500 shooters on sponsorship. Don't be stupid.
ok but if it was a shit pistol they wouldnt be winning
No, actually Nils wasn't winning big matches frequently before he ran a Canik. But when Canik sponsored him they literally designed the gun he wanted. Turns out he knew how to design a good competition pistol. The competition shooter told the gun company what to make and it ended up resulting in an excellent pistol. It isn't just a case of money.
And they're beating the guys who are literally paid to use CZ Shadows, Sig P320 Legions, Walthers, Glocks, and literally everyone else. So what is your point?The Canik Rival was basically designed by their pro shooter Nils Jonasson and it turns out that they actually listened to him and he knew what went into a good competition pistol. The Canik is literally better right out of the box than anything in Walther's lineup, Glock, CZ Shadow, HK, etc at least from the standpoint of a competition gun. It is excellent. Have you tried it?
There are tons of non-sponsored shooters using the Canik Rival and they're getting great results. I'm not the only one telling you this gun rules. It just fucking does dude.
I've heard the Canik has an issue with a particular part breaking after a few thousand rounds, and apparently it's one hell of a bitch to replace/fix, is this true? I was almost sold on a Canik for competition, until I started reading about this in the Enos forums.
The strikers are brittle, yes. They will break after 20k rounds instead of 40-50k like a Glock. They are also finicky with ammo. I was at a match last week and someone ran an SFX Rival S that kept having FTFs, partly because they were using low-pressure handloads. Even with its downsides, the SFX Rival S is still the best gun in Carry Optics.
Fuck off, and national championships have been won with stock glocks. If it was so nice you'd buy the actual gun it was ripping off you know the better walther. Cope.
if you like spending silly money on silly shit, it's not really an issue.
They're only worth it if you give a shit about them.
If you have to ask, it's not for you. This isn't condescending or belittling and nobody should even be trying to defend Staccato, I'm just saying if you don't know what justifies the price of an entry level 2011 like Staccato, you won't appreciate it and you'd be better served with something not so expensive. Yes there are advantages, no it doesn't kill gooder or conceal better than a $500 pistol.
Get a Walther PDP or Smith & Wesson M&P M2.0 and enjoy life.
It's a rip off. Nothing is hand marching anymore and Wilson ain't doing anything beyond hitting start on a CNC machine and deburring (they call it had finishing for suckers) same as all the rest.
Now for something like a Five-seveN? Yeah that gun has capabilities nothing else has at the price point.
They're nice, worth it? Only if you feel like dumping money on a gun you have to pamper more than a glock
that's like just sub $3000 and aint considered gucci, but yeah you ain't getting that shit for 1-2000
if it works, it works. some good sights and a light on a proven duty pistol is all you need. pistols are like cars, the further you take a proven design away from stock, the less reliable and more finicky it will become.
Only truly worth it if your skill level is on par to get the most out of the gun. Otherwise the pistol is only augmenting your shooting rather than letting you perform to the fullest. Nothing against buying gucci pistols, but a lot of people need to recognize when the gun is shooting them rather than the other way around. I don't carry anything more expensive than $700 because if I ever do have to use it then my carry weapon is going to get locked up with a high probability of me not seeing it again. So I want something I can replace easily. Otherwise for competitions I go all out on parts that gets my race gun well above $2.5k.
>skill level is on par to get the most out of the gun
That's retarded, accuracy is tolerance stacking.
>your inaccuracy+inaccuracy of the gun+inaccuracy if the ammo
I get that pretty much any stock strikershit is adequate in it's accuracy.
I also agree that you shouldn't try fixing skill issues by changing gear.
But it's just not true that only the best shooters benefit from a good handgun.
>lowest I'll pay gor a handgun
500 usd
>highest
2400 usd
A bullet from either will kill your target just as dead.
You can buy a hammer for $2 or one for $250! They both do the same job and with practice you might be better with the $2 hammer and get the same professional results as a much more expensive hammer by driving the nail flush on the first blow everytime.
A hammer is a simple object. It doesn't have a very precise or hard job to do. You can't really better it in any way. It's just a piece of metal that should have a weighted end and grug use to hit pointy metal into wood.
A pistol on the other hand, is a complicated tool full of small parts. Some pistols are more reliable, some have better recoil impulses, some are easier at detail stripping, reassembly, and cleaning, some are easier at diagnosing and fixing, some have better triggers, some have better quality control and track records. So with so many choices, I suggest people go out there, try some out, and stick with what they like, instead of "just get a Glock". And if the Glock is what they like, then so be it.
spoken like someone who has never done any framing in their life
If I'm going to be spending that much money, I'd get a fun gimmick like a Desert Eagle instead of a double-stack 9mm 1911 with finnicky mags.
If I'm paying 3K and up the fucking gun better hit what I'm aiming at as I point it straight at the ground.
If I'm paying 3K and up, its going to be a super sexo 1911 built by both a master sexo and gunsmith