Are fortifications obsolete?

Are fortifications obsolete?

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  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    They seem to work more than well enough against Russia's gliding meme bombs

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      All fricking war tourists must fricking hang

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >current large-scale conflict
        >lots of interesting data to come out concerning one of the worlds largest military superpowers
        >not taking it into account

  2. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Against Any European Country? Most definitely not.
    Against USA? LMAO.

  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Everyone is still working on bigger and better bunker busters because in the Gulf war there were bunkers that could be touched and as recently as Afghanistan there were caves and tunnels they couldn't reach.

  4. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Part of what made the taliban so hard to stamp out was their prolific use of tunnels, which are a form of fortification, so no. Israel is currently experiencing the same thing with Hamas leadership.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      just pour cement bro lmao

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        You'd have to get a cement truck deep behind enemy lines where you can get horribly ambushed

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >get cement truck dep behind enemy lines
          >get ambushed
          >truck explodes killing everyone in the vicinity
          >repeat until ambushes stop and you manage to cement the tunnels shut

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Israel is currently experiencing the same thing with Hamas leadership
      I thought the leadership were all in Qatar and they were dealing with local rank and file, captains at most?

  5. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Fortifications don't have to be perfect to be valuable. Look at how being forced to assault trenches repetitively has dramatically increased Russian casualties.

  6. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    It is a question with many answers.

    -Are you a third-world military about to get curb-stomped by a 1st world power with total information dominance and endless smartbombs? Probably a waste of time except to create artistic craters surrounded by concrete and dirt. Better to try and hide among the civilian population and disperse your assets.

    Are you a non-state or rebel force battering at a state military that is barely above you but has plenty of arty (Syria, etc). Probably a good idea. You can even steal earthmovers and make lines of berms to let your guys shoot with their rifles over their heads like real men!

    -Are you a peer conventional military fighting another, where lines have frozen solid and you are just lobbing stuff at each other in the hope the other one breaks first? Make sure EVERYTHING is bunkered & entrenched! Your people & equipment is valuable! Every little bit helps!

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      ?
      its a yes or no moron

      https://i.imgur.com/VtdySDR.jpeg

      There isn't a yes or no answer. Fortifications are a balance between the amount of resources they take to build, the time and effort it would take the enemy to push you out of them, and the value of the objective they are meant to defend.

      ?
      i jus said

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >a third-world military
      as opposed to first world armies which may have wunderwaffe weapons but only in low numbers and with the production line closed 20 years ago and leaders who dont want the weapons to be actually used.

      just look at the taliban or the houthi shitshow. some third world desert tribesmen and the entire first world is basically helpless against them.

  7. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    There isn't a yes or no answer. Fortifications are a balance between the amount of resources they take to build, the time and effort it would take the enemy to push you out of them, and the value of the objective they are meant to defend.

  8. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    No they're kino

  9. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    No fort can't be busted open
    but they will increase the cost doing so
    So the question really is what are you fortifying and what do you want to achieve in doing so?

  10. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    No, perhaps traditional MG bunkers and other more defensive-geared fortifications, but hardened communications, C&C, and storage of strategic assets is still a task best done via underground bunker complex, the hardest part of defeating a bunker of this type is finding it and additionally figuring out how to destroy the thing so it is no longer even partially operational.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Additionally, when facing an enemy without air superiority even traditional defensive bunkers still have a place, sure they can get cratered into oblivion, but they are still a oftentimes costly obstacle to get past (even with artillery and shaped charges). Even so, the cost-to-effectiveness of such fortifications on the modern battlefield are questionable, but a hardened strong point on/near the front is a great advantage unless offset by superior firepower and/or air power.

  11. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    They make it much harder to kill you so no. They won't make you invincible, but they never did.

  12. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    no, they are more relevant than ever. Remember the Donetsk airport control tower? took them months to take that thing down, now imagine what a proper purpose built fortification with several meters of dirt on top could withstand.

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