Are flashlights/lasers and optics on a carry gun a meme?

Are flashlights/lasers and optics on a carry gun a meme?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lasers have always been a meme because even if you're using it right as an added support for skilled point shooting, they're mostly invisible during the day. WMLs on a carry gun are the newest meme, and I believe that they have more use as a forward weight to reduce muzzle rise than they will ever have to illuminate a deadly threat. I have one on my home defense gun, but I use a handheld flashlight for carry.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      joke's on you, my astigmatism enhances the laser's visibility during the day

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        But what if the target is more than 5ft away you stevie wonder wannabe

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          just use a good laser bro
          I've got shitboxes from 1998 that are perfectly visible on any surface from at least 6 feet away, checkmate laserlet

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah the laser might be visible that far but can you actually SEE that far with your bargain bin chinese quality tier eyes?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              yeah I got glasses bro
              not glasses that fix my glaring astigmatism that make any red dot a horrific mess but they make me able to see at least 10 feet away

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >WMLs on a carry gun are the newest meme

      If by newest you mean "the past >20 years" maybe.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >and I believe that they have more use as a forward weight to reduce muzzle rise
    agreed

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Both lights and lasers are useful. My carry gun has a crimson trace laser in the grip and I could easily see it coming into use at night or in a dark movie theater. Lights are great for target identification & acquisition, also can blind the frick unsuspecting out of a home intruder.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Lasers
    Situationally useful but generally a meme, they shine on Snubbies and other pocket sized guns. Proven usefulness by score increases from PDs that allow them for BUGs.
    >Optics
    Undebatably the way of the future. People who debate this have a room temp IQ, are baiting, or both
    >Light
    Undeniably useful but some are so large as to cause a genuine decrease in comfort for concealability. IMO fullsize lights are a bridge too far and kinda memes but useful if you can pull them off. Compact lights are a better idea for most people.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >optics
      It's been shown that at self defense distances, the difference between irons and dots is virtually nonexistant. If you want to engage a mass shooter, then yea go for it.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        An optic in general makes you shoot better, even at a short distance they're still increasing helpful.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'll agree they're better in the same way 45 s terminal ballistics are better than 9mm. It's just not significant enough to matter in most cc scenarios. Like I said, if you want to prepare for all possible scenarios, by all means get a red dot.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I"M A MIDWIT!!!!
          okay, we get it

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Funny because all the professional shooters generally disagree. And I know you don't shoot at a M or GM level in USPSA. You get all your info from tactical wannabes rather than actual shooters.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >all the professional shooters generally disagree
            >all
            >generally

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        this is mostly true, but optics are still superior after the same amount of training.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Is that why every single competition shooter who shoots at what you could call self defense distances uses a red dot and not irons? You're an idiot spewing outdated statistics.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >outdated statistics
          >competition shooters
          lol

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Competition shooters use their sights at self defense ranges. If I’m drawing my gun to shoot an attacker within 5 yards, I’m not even going to use my sights, why would I need to? If you can’t mag dump someone at center mass in 5 yards without aiming, you should practice more.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That's not true imbecile. WTF. There's divisions. Irons doesn't compete with red dots and vice versa. Production, Limited, Limited 10, and Rev are all iron sight divisions where only iron sight shooters compete in. Who am I going to listen to? A random tacticool nerd who obviously doesn't even compete but is pretending to compete on a Mongolian basket weaving forum, or Bob Vogel?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's literally only if using point shooting, where the irons aren't really being used at all.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >That's literally only if using point shooting, where the irons aren't really being used at all.
          I'm not understanding you. How are they being compared if there's only point shooting? Logically, they're not being compared if the irons aren't being used, hence why you saying 'that's literally only if' doesn't make any sense.
          Please explain anon.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Having the gun at all is enough in 99% of cases because you're likely gonna be within spitting of the distance of your target anyway. Those 1% outliers like when the old man shot the guy in church from across the room, or the one dude shot a mass shooter from 40 yards are exceedingly rare.

    If it came down to budget, I'd get a decent carry piece then worry about making it tacticool later.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    On a conceal carry gun? Yeah to all of the above. Besides meeting the bare minimum requirements for defensive use (5+ rounds with acceptable terminal ballistics against a human sized animal) the most important quality of a carry gun is small size and comfort. All those things detract from that for questionable benefit. Defensive use of CC guns is gonna happen in spitting distance.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Anyone who seriously CC a gun daily would never use this shit in a million years.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's your opinion. I use a laser

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >No safety
        >Clip draw
        >Laser sight
        Poetry

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          There is a safety moron.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Show holster

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I use a clip which is immensely easier to carry.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >easier to carry
            Why not just carry it in a clutch purse, or carry it directly in your hand it's even easier.

            Seriously though, probably the most important feature of a holster is that it covers the trigger. If the trigger is not covered it is an inevitability that some bunched up denim or a shirt tail or maybe silk lingerie in your case will catch the trigger at some point. You either haven't been carrying for very long or you don't actually EDC.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I don't carry hot with a chambered round.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Christ. Just carry a rape whistle.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Why would I want to alert my victims? Idiot.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/sl5Yrn4.gif

        Show holster

        Probably doesn't use one.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I think they're necessary, but what do I know?

        Based, but what holster?

        https://i.imgur.com/LMXoAtz.jpeg

        Nah.

        My 19x does this too, why does the x300 angle upwards Is this a designed cant or is it just a fricked up design?

        https://i.imgur.com/kt3Erib.jpeg

        Nah.

        This thing looks gorgeous, a real generational wealth firearm.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I use a clip you can see it in the picture. People talk shit but its the easiest CC option for me. Throw it in my waist band and ride. Even works in gym shorts.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's just like, your opinion man.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >lasers
    Nah, not unless you're talking about something super small where the sights are basically vestigial
    >optics
    Useful, however most models do add significant bulk to a pistol so there's good reason to eschew them depending on what and how you're carrying
    >lights
    Mostly unimportant, definitely good if you can CC a gun with a light on it but it adds a lot of weight and bulk which can be detrimental depending on what you're packing
    Always remember, the 25 in your pocket is more useful than the 45 on your nightstand. A full size, fully kitted out pistol is objectively better than a barebones micro 9 but be honest are you comfortable carrying that every day? Because if you're unwilling to have it on you all day every day then it's a bad choice for a carry piece

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Lasers
      Always were a meme.
      >Optics
      Here to stay and what more and more carry pieces will be sporting with time despite what poors and fudds think. Anyone who tries to argue that they add bulk doesn't really know what they're talking about since it's the grip what matters more than anything in terms of size for concealment, and plenty of offerings aren't any wider than the slide of most popular carry guns. And they're only going to get smaller and lighter.
      >Lights
      Pretty much the same as optics, but you can absolutely go overboard if you get a full size. But these are also only going to get smaller, lighter and more powerful.

      >flashlights
      Numerous defensive shooter experts say a WML is pointless for the average person and have never seen one make the difference in a DWU. If you need a forward weight so badly, you should probably just go to the range more. Useful for a home defense weapon.

      >optics
      make medicore shooters good shooters and good shooters great shooters. No great reason not to have one except cost and/or reliability. Optics batteries can go down and suddenly you're shooting blind because your sights are blocked by the base of your optic. This can be mitigated with the right set of sights.

      >lasers
      I have one on a shitty TLR and the more I shot with it, the more i felt like I would lose track of the dot fairly quickly in a DGU situation. It's much harder to look for a random red dot in your entire field of view than in the middle of a small optic. Maybe with significant practice I would've improved but IMO this is a gimmick to make folks who don't practice enough feel more competent.

      >lasers are a meme
      tool that literally lets you aim when you can't take a proper sight picture. opens entirely new scenarios for your gun. factually makes the gun more useful.
      >OPTICS ARE SERIOUSLY GOOD
      tool that only adds a benefit when you can already use your gun properly. equips the gun to handle 0 new situations.

      optics are the biggest meme. even flashlights add more utility. consider learning how to think for yourselves, morons.

      yes, we get that you shoot paper better with dot. it's because you suck.

      >I don't suck!!

      you suck.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Based. But the average /k/ tard doesn't know who guys like Vogel are. They do know some Navy SEAL homosexual who probably shoots at a D class level, who shot some unarmed civilians in the back and now shills products and "red dot training classes".

        I fell into the red dot BS myself. Invested in them as competition and carry guns, reached Master with them in carry optics, but now I'm back to irons because I find them much better in regard to maintenance, reliability, and speed for typical actual realistic and practical CCW use. My duty gun does have a red dot though for the unlikely chance I might have to take a very accurate shot.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >reached Master with them in carry optics
          Pic related
          >now I'm back to irons because I find them much better in regard to maintenance, reliability, and speed for typical actual realistic and practical CCW use
          Pic extremely related

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You do know reaching master in carry optics isn't hard right? GM is another thing altogether.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Literally proving my point that high tier shooters prefer irons, but average shooters benefit from optics.

          Luckily morons like you always out yourselves incredibly quickly.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I was agreeing with you, low IQ imbecile. Get better reading comprehension

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        wee/k/end contrarianism made manifest and probably can't even post a picture of a well-used gun he owns

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >well-used
          Kek you’re right about that part poorgay, all of my guns look brand new until you take them apart. But here’s some handgun brass I shot today, your turn now.
          Make sure you use your optic to take the photo so you don’t miss.

      • 3 weeks ago
        MilSurpDude

        Nah.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What do you carry grandpa?

          • 3 weeks ago
            MilSurpDude

            Unironically a Mauser 1914 loaded with .32 Xtreme Defenders I just dump in a pocket. This is not a joke.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Hey its that weird gun from that thread that the gay jannies pruned

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Least gay post in this shitty thread and it's from a tripBlack person, just kill this board already

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What is that comp?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            looks like this, I think?
            https://herringtonarms.com/products/hc9c-glock-compensator

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Red dots only benefit you when you use your gun properly
        >The only reason you shoot better with a dot is because you suck
        Based moron

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >can't into reading
          both greentext examples in my post start with a clearly defined topic sentence.

          https://i.imgur.com/LMXoAtz.jpeg

          Nah.

          >ye olde tripgay appears
          discord too quiet tonight pal?

          • 3 weeks ago
            MilSurpDude

            Nah.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Considering you're the one angrily shitposting on a Friday night so maybe it's not too smart to accuse others of being bored

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Lasers are a meme because they can't be seen half the time. When you can see them you should be instead trying to get some illumination instead.
        Lights are less of a meme since it gives you a capability you don't have at night. The same logic people use against a WML would be the same logic against mounting headlights to your car- it just doesn't make sense.
        Optics are faster to acquire and more precise than irons. They're just better in ideal circumstances where the lens is always clean, battery charged, and emitter unblocked. This doesn't always happen, which is why having irons you can see through the optic is a good idea.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >optics are bad because I needed a challenge so i started training irons again
        ...yeah...youre like *so* smart anon

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Very solid bait

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Laser
    Mallninja tier mostly. Debatable use case on snubbies and only because they generally have garbage sights to begin with.
    >Optics
    The future. Hard stop.
    >Lights
    Fullsize are a meme and just overkill and bulky. You don't need or generally want 1000 lumens of blasting white light to illuminate a dude 15' away in a dimly lit area. The TLR-6 is pretty great though. Light, slim, easy push button while still offering enough light to identify someone at any range you could feasibly claim self defense with a handgun.

    I carry with an optic (RMR) and a light (tlr-6) and think it's a pretty nice setup. But I'm also old enough to remember when pistols didn't have rails and red dots didn't exist. When a "bright" flashlight was a 6 D cell maglight and a pen light was useful at maybe 10'.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > You don't need or generally want 1000 lumens of blasting white light to illuminate a dude 15' away in a dimly lit area
      moron alert

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >has only ever used a flashlight for fun

        Go stand in the dark for a minute and then kick your WML on in a white walled room. There's a reason lots of guys are moving away from the absurdly bright shit. Throw is far more important than brightness where weapon lights are concerned. The idea of blinding an adversary is moronic fuddlore shit. If they're blinded, chances are you're going to be partially blinded by your own light. Your weapon light is for searching and identification.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Lasers
    Always were a meme.
    >Optics
    Here to stay and what more and more carry pieces will be sporting with time despite what poors and fudds think. Anyone who tries to argue that they add bulk doesn't really know what they're talking about since it's the grip what matters more than anything in terms of size for concealment, and plenty of offerings aren't any wider than the slide of most popular carry guns. And they're only going to get smaller and lighter.
    >Lights
    Pretty much the same as optics, but you can absolutely go overboard if you get a full size. But these are also only going to get smaller, lighter and more powerful.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >flashlights
    Numerous defensive shooter experts say a WML is pointless for the average person and have never seen one make the difference in a DWU. If you need a forward weight so badly, you should probably just go to the range more. Useful for a home defense weapon.

    >optics
    make medicore shooters good shooters and good shooters great shooters. No great reason not to have one except cost and/or reliability. Optics batteries can go down and suddenly you're shooting blind because your sights are blocked by the base of your optic. This can be mitigated with the right set of sights.

    >lasers
    I have one on a shitty TLR and the more I shot with it, the more i felt like I would lose track of the dot fairly quickly in a DGU situation. It's much harder to look for a random red dot in your entire field of view than in the middle of a small optic. Maybe with significant practice I would've improved but IMO this is a gimmick to make folks who don't practice enough feel more competent.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >WML is pointless for the AP and HNS one make the difference in a DWU. If you need a FW so badly, you should probably just GTTRM. Useful for a HDW.

      You gays make me puke with your acronyms

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I carry innawoods so a light is mandatory
    When I'm not innawoods I carry a 3032 tomcat or a bond arms 357 mag because I want my carry gun to fit into whatever pocket I have and all the extra shit on the gun makes that impossible

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I drive places at night sometimes and have to walk through my dark parking lot so no. Lasers are also extremely underrated on carry guns, if you can get one that's integrated to your light and doesn't add any bulk go for it. Game changer in terms of quick shot placement and you don't even have to be aimed down sights.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Optics for carry guns is probably going to be more of a generational shift. Older shooters will have to go out of their way to buy an optics ready handgun or get a slide milled before they even buy the red dot sight. Newer shooters are more likely to buy an optics ready pistol or even a pistol with a red dot mounted from the factory. The red dot sight might make a minor difference in function for a carry gun, but the convenience of access to pistol optics will be the most significant factor in the popularity of red dot sights for carry.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I like my light and optic. PHLster LIGMA makes it quite tolerable to carry it

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

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      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        plant based protein and estrogen consuming libtard detected

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what piece is that on right?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Are you fricking moronic?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Did I say something wrong?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The model number is right on the slide anon. This is spoonfeeding, I'm almost ashamed.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            oH
            I thought it was something else

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    how effective would a powerful strobe torch attachment be in disorienting or blinding another person?

    would the torch be too bulky/heavy to be practical?

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    equipping a flashlight means not being able to attach a folding foregrip.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I find optics and lights/lasers on handguns ugly.
    More of a minimalist with my handguns

    I would suggest teaching yourself to point shoot effectively using your forward thumbs as an index, much faster than any dot and if I’m shooting a handgun at someone in a fast defense situation I’m not looking at anything but the threat and his center mass and mag dumping , if you were in a for real situation where you’re life was in danger and you had to react in seconds you think you would even remember or think to look for your dot? Bc I’d just point and blast, especially if it’s the first time you’ve been in a situation like that
    I feel like no matter how much I shoot and train if the time came id still fumble

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That depends on A LOT of things. Who's the person defending themself? A sheltered suburbanite or someone who's lived in the ghetto and experienced things? A vet who ACTUALLY saw combat overseas or a pog? Also what's the level of training? Do they on occasion pop targets in the desert or indoor ranges, or are they competing at a decently high level in practical shooting sports and drawing/dry firing 20 minutes a day? Is the defensive situation happening at arms length or is there sufficient distance between the shooters?

      It'd be like saying a dude who's been going to an MMA/Boxing gym for years and sparring, learning techniques, drilling moves, getting in shape, etc will get steam rolled in a street fight because they'll lose their motor skills and won't be able to punch properly. In performance based shooting you work on your draw and index to the point that even if you didn't find your sights, you'll EASILY, without fail, hit a man's torso at 21 feet.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In Germany they are :'(

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Visible lasers are a meme, lights are not. Optics are nice to have if you think you might have to use your pistol to reach out and touch someone, but not obligatory in my opinion.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Lights are a meme for CCW. The only time I find myself using a light bearing holster is when I am going to work and just want to transfer my AIWB carry to my duty holster so I don't have to screw/unscrew my flashlight. Outside of work and home defense I cannot think of a realistic and practical scenario where I'd need a WML. If I think something needs identifying on the streets as a civilian/off duty I'll use a handheld or risk getting shot by a good guy, arrested, or in legal trouble.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I typically just carry a handheld light as well for the sake of convenience, but that doesn't make WMLs a meme. For example I live in the suburbs, and there are plenty of unlit areas where a weaponlight might come in handy.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    when do you think you'll use your carry gun? when does most crime occur?

    at night

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lasers yes, other stuff no.

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Anyone who claims lights are a meme is trying to get you killed. Having the ability to actually see far out weighs the supposed “cons” that are poorgay cope. You should be prepared for anything to happen which includes being in the dark

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Lol, you think someone not having a 100 to 200 dollar weapon light makes one a poorgay? That's some REAL poorgay cope right there. I have many lights and even Light bearing holsters but I've found them to be bulky and unnecessary. For comfort reasons I stick with just a G19 AIWB. I guess I'm also a poorgay for not carrying my full package Elite LTT with my SRO and X300

      >Captcha gaypx

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In a way they're all gimmicks but definitely some more than others. Lasers area a great training tool for learning how to draw and aim your gun before you've even raised it high enough for the sights to reach your eyes like pseudo-hip firing but without boomer homosexualry. If you have time to be aiming with the laser you have time to raise the gun to your eyes. Defensive ranges tend to be knife fighting ranges where draw speed and a good holster is more important than anything else. If you're shooting at longer (handgun) ranges where sights, iron or optic, will come into play, you may have failed to maintain situational awareness or have gotten mixed up into a gang war/shooting. Out of the three the light may be the most useful as it gives your gun a function that it does not inherently have. You'll want to carry a regular flashlight anyways but a weapon light will give you one last chance to identify a target before shooting. Nothing wrong with having optics unless you have to compromise a comfortable holster/carrying method, which should be your priority.

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Flashlights
    They make sense on a duty pistol, but on a carry pistol they add unnecessary bulk. Plus you should not being drawing your pistol unless there is a clearly defined threat. Carry a pocket flashlight instead.
    >Lasers
    Meme
    >Optics
    They have their advantages, especially at longer range. I personally don't like them on a carry gun because, 95 percent of defensive shootings are within ranges where a dots speed advantage is negligible. the extra bulk gives more opportunities for your pistol to snag on the draw. Additionally lenses tend to fog in the summer when going from inside to outside.

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Light is very important for home defense pistol. Optic or laser will greatly enhance accuracy and sight acquisition which matters when firing at targets 7m or further away.

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Pistol lasers are shit because most of them are weak and low power, IR ones make more sense

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >lights
    no, they're a very good thing to have
    >lasers
    pants on head moronic for anything other than for teaching proper trigger control while dry firing

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