There must be some trick to it since Magpul makes relatively reputable ones and RPKs/PPSHs were issued with them for years, yet 90% of them that ever existed are unusably shit
I'd have gotten a drum magazine if they weren't so damn expensive for a toy, been eyeing up them pmag 42 rounders though, them things are like 25 cents per round capacity now that's a deal.
I think in theory given most people don't regularly do reload drills they'd probably benefit from a high capacity magazine but that's just gear trying to compensate for lack of training and might not actually matter since if you don't know reload drills you probably won't know fire discipline and shot counting.
Magazines overall are more reliable, RPK magazines were decent but heavy but that was acceptable for rifle magzaine interchangeability, PPSH drum mags were just as shit as other ones but they made them anyways because ussr being invaded. >Each PPSh-41 came with two factory-fitted drum magazines that were matched to the weapon with marked serial numbers. If drum magazines were mixed and used with different serial numbered PPSh-41, a loose fitting could result in poor retention and failure to feed.
It's only really useful in a paramilitary context where you can't have access to LMGs like in . If most cases a LMG is more reliable and is better at suppression.
No one caught in a firefight wishes to have 30 rounds before having to reload. The only thing stopping them from this is carrying the damn thing. Stuck into a rifle it makes sense to carry >But my lmg
You might have 2 of them in a squad if you're lucky, but usually you will have 1. They can't cover everything. Immediate sustained fire is the only thing to save you in an ambush if the kill zone is too open. You're gonna want that 60.
Ehh. Honestly reloading doesn't take that long and 30 rounds is quite a bit.
Flat range with maybe only competition as stress is a lot easier to prepare for and reload at.
>lot easier
As opposed to carrying 4x as much weight for a 2x delay in reloading for the entire time you have your gun on you is a terrible trade.
Source: I've been on a hike at least once.
If you run out of bullets in a short range gunfight you die. No your reload drills will not save you. No having squad mates close by does not save you. that 1.5 seconds you stop firing for kills you. having as many bullets as possible in the gun lowers the chances you get caught with your pants down, and in that regard it is worth a lot of sacrifices. as long as it is reliable.
>If you run out of bullets in a short range gunfight you die in cawadooty.
Ftfy.
Trying to use mag and drum feds in place of a belt fed is a bad idea, but both belt feds and auto riflemen have their places. Weight and the ability to share ammo can be good for light and mobile infantry, be that sf or recon elements. They can also be good in areas where logistics are strained, having an auto rifle is better than having no sustained fire options. When the weight is less of a factor (or a non factor on vehicle mounts or static positions) and ranges are extended belt feds are clearly superior. Auto rifles are also more flexible, but kinda a jack of all trades master of none.
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A good drum mag like a d60 does not weigh 4x what 2 pmags weigh. They also do not take substantially longer to load compared to 2 box mags either.
>4x what 2 pmags weigh.
It weighs 3x as much as 30 rounder pmags for 2x the bullets. What a deal.
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reload here without dying dipshit
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brainlet here. who is who in this vid. looks like green on the top got lucky here.
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>like green on the top got lucky here.
i dont know why the other guy pushed so hard
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Violence of action can be beneficial, but it's always a gamble. If he blindfired into his face, we'd see the guy on the right looking like an idiot, but instead he missed and got smoked.
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Easy you have a squadmate covering your reload
Why do you think the smallest unit in an army is a pair
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Do you see one in the video? So much for that. Kilt in da streetz
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>a total of 15 rounds fired in video
Ded In dUH StrEEts wiff uR 30 ROUndeRs!
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I just watched two military guys shoot a few rounds at each other in an actual military context which is completely outside the scope of civilian defense, and now I need a 60 rounder? Lol
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Oh yeah you're right I missed the part where OP specified for civilian concealed carry
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It doesn’t even weigh 3x
The bulk is the issue, but you just carry one in the gun. If you live you will have all the time in the world to pick it up.
>If you run out of bullets in a short range gunfight you die.
And why would this situation happen in real life when using a rifle where 30 round mags are standard? You're getting your idea of how these scenario play out from video games that portray situations with more enemies to shoot than ever happens in real life outside of mass shootings.
reload here without dying dipshit
Why would you be reloading in the midst of that situation? Each side fires only a few shots outside of the mag dump into the guy at contact distances at the end, and outside of the situations portrayed in video games with crazy amounts of enemies, there's no reason for back to back to back scenarios like that to play out without a lul to reload.
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This bro graspin with some boomer ass arguments
Drum mag go burrrrr
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>t. a child who gets his idea of what can actually happen in combat from video games and is incapable of separating fantasy from reality
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>you can't get into a gunfight that lasts more than thirty rounds >y-you just can't OK?
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Post one single real world example where this was an actual issue and reloading wasn't an option. Not theoretical bullshit.
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>t. a child who gets his idea of what can actually happen in combat from video games and is incapable of separating fantasy from reality
>If you run out of bullets in a short range gunfight you die.
And why would this situation happen in real life when using a rifle where 30 round mags are standard? You're getting your idea of how these scenario play out from video games that portray situations with more enemies to shoot than ever happens in real life outside of mass shootings.
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Why would you be reloading in the midst of that situation? Each side fires only a few shots outside of the mag dump into the guy at contact distances at the end, and outside of the situations portrayed in video games with crazy amounts of enemies, there's no reason for back to back to back scenarios like that to play out without a lul to reload.
You're right, 60 rounds is absurd. Why the fuck do you need 30 rounds? Every gunfight has pauses within 20 rounds. Statistically, no gunfight has gone over 10 rounds anyway
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Yeah muskets have been used for hundreds of years. Swords for milleniums. Rocks and sticks for tens of thousands at least! Why does anyone need anything? I can't think of a reason why.
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>claims that every army today is leaving their soldiers under gunned for real situations they can get into >when asked for proof that those situations even happen, resorts to accusing people of being anti gun
Yeah. If more capacity was a serious concern, the US Army alone has had quite a few chances to steer development toward getting soldiers more without the awkward bulk that drum mags for ARs have, and would see massive issues with moving back to 20 round mags like they are for the NGSW.
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>NGSW proves that not only is 60 rounds too much, 30 rounds is also too much
Holy shit you actually are my terrible strawman lmfao
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That's not what I said you retard. If there were already cases of 30 rounders getting people killed, then the Army would never have went with a 20 round mag for the NGSW, and would have been pushing things in a different direction years ago.
The army has belt feds. Why the fuck are you here?
>what are guns that fill a completely different role from the infantryman's rifle
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You must have missed the point where we are seriously lacking in the belt-fed area.
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If your goal is to build some sort of AR SAW, then go ahead. I'm just arguing with the retards who think they'll be in some video game esque CQB scenario with no chances to reload while they gun down wave after wave of enemies.
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Damn, why even bother with 20 rounds. Everyone should carry 10 rounders >Lighter for noodle arms >Less likely to snag on stuff
Shit I think magazine cut offs should make a come back as well.
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Careful. Robots and retards don't get sarcasm.
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The army has belt feds. Why the fuck are you here?
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yeah like according to you, why do we even use machineguns? like bro just step away from the battle lmao
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God shut the fuck up
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I don’t play video games anymore, haven’t had time after highschool. Your the one who keeps bringing them up. I have done private contracting work in Africa in 2012-2014, training in Ukraine from 2014-2019 and “advisory” work in Syria in 2019-2020. You don’t know shit. Drum mags are a useful tool in some situations. Sorry you bought a shitty Korean drum at a gun show and based your whole perception on it you stupid fudd gay. When you have to fall back you don’t want to get caught reloading when you have to peel. When you initiate an ambush having more rounds on tap is a huge advantage for the opening fire. No, I do not suggest carrying 5 drums. One in the gun backed up by regular box mags is extremely useful and has very little downsides unless you are a retard who puts to much other shit on your guns or buys poorfag drums.
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Were you also trained in gorilla warfare?
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Yes
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Why not just use jungle taped mags for that, like people have been doing for an extremely long time? >available whenever you have magazines and something to attach them to each other >lighter >can fit in a normal mag pouch, making it possible to have more or less ready to go based on the situation >less shit to go wrong vs a drum >only real con vs drums is a slight break in fire that's a fraction of what a normal reload would be
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Because jungle style taped mags dont actually fit pockets and they are unbalanced as shit, the ones like the G36 mags have those locking tabs that make them individually bulkier as well
Easy you have a squadmate covering your reload
Why do you think the smallest unit in an army is a pair
The russian (survivor) in the webm had buddies just out of the top of the frame. had he run out of ammo before the final magdump he would have died.
Yeah in a perfect world he would have a half dozen people actively covering him at all times. In the real world take every advantage you can get.
>1 drum of 60 rounds weighs as much as 120 rounds in 4 magazines
Uh sure kiddo >2x longer reload
Didn't realize that the magpul d60 required an extra step to drop free >hiking
I've done 12 mile timed rucks. I bow to your hiking experience though
Trying to use mag and drum feds in place of a belt fed is a bad idea, but both belt feds and auto riflemen have their places. Weight and the ability to share ammo can be good for light and mobile infantry, be that sf or recon elements. They can also be good in areas where logistics are strained, having an auto rifle is better than having no sustained fire options. When the weight is less of a factor (or a non factor on vehicle mounts or static positions) and ranges are extended belt feds are clearly superior. Auto rifles are also more flexible, but kinda a jack of all trades master of none.
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A good drum mag like a d60 does not weigh 4x what 2 pmags weigh. They also do not take substantially longer to load compared to 2 box mags either.
Holy shit you people are retarded. The delay in reload is the theoretical advantage given by having 2x as many bullets. The time until your gun goes click is 2x as far away from the start of an engagement.
Christ, combine forces and snap your collective two neurons at each other to figure out the form of that post.
Also your argument fails simple logic >any price
Carry something beltfed, then. Seriously. Why not a 22 pound gun and ammo combo with a 200 round belt? You could kill the whole enemy team with that! Think of the kill streaks!
The D60 is as unreliable as my AK drum (albeit more ergonomic), maybe the D45 would be fine but fuck that big-ass casket mag. Better off with jungle tape.
> heavy > jam all the time > don't fit in a vest or belt > expensive
They're only good for havin' a bit of a goof at the range. If you can't get the job done with 31 than you're more than likely not going to be able to get it done with 50 or 100.
>If you can't get the job done with 31 than you're more than likely not going to be able to get it done with 50 or 100
You'd be awfully surprised how much ammo you can burn on a peel, or keeping someone's head down for a few minutes.
They are, Indonesian and Turk naval special forces use one on the gun to shoot while they are prone on a zodiak where its harder to reload then they switch to normal mags when they land.
The point of the 2A is to protect us from the government
And a 75 round metal Norinco mag or 100 round plastic AR mag can be loaded with armor piercing ammunition, a bipod, and used as an improvised LMG in the revolution
Automatic rifle's were popular among European armies for a bit and they used drum magazines, but they were eventually phased out for actual beltfed SAW's/LMG's because it was a worse version of both a SAW and a regular infantry rifle. In a irregular or insurgency scenario converting regular rifles into automatic rifles is easier and faster than trying to get SAW's and so could be a viable option then.
Trying to use mag and drum feds in place of a belt fed is a bad idea, but both belt feds and auto riflemen have their places. Weight and the ability to share ammo can be good for light and mobile infantry, be that sf or recon elements. They can also be good in areas where logistics are strained, having an auto rifle is better than having no sustained fire options. When the weight is less of a factor (or a non factor on vehicle mounts or static positions) and ranges are extended belt feds are clearly superior. Auto rifles are also more flexible, but kinda a jack of all trades master of none.
>lot easier
As opposed to carrying 4x as much weight for a 2x delay in reloading for the entire time you have your gun on you is a terrible trade.
Source: I've been on a hike at least once.
A good drum mag like a d60 does not weigh 4x what 2 pmags weigh. They also do not take substantially longer to load compared to 2 box mags either.
I have a couple of the relatively new Schmeisser magazines to mess around with my binary trigger and while they do fine they are pretty finicky. Any dirt and they are fucked. Don't even think about dropping them fully loaded. The surefire mags are so bad I just gave them away.
why even need mags larger than 10 rounds, all you do is shoot paper targets that are still, none of you are ever gonna end up in a gunfight. so the only reason you would even buy 30 or 30+ round mags is if you are a mass shooter
So much this! Why would you ever carry extra supplies of something! Myself and other posters in this thread agree on our own clairvoyance and we know that we’d never need more than a single 30 round magazine in any situation.
Why does redd^t hate everything that is good and cool? Why don't they go back to where they came from? Do you think you can troll a website full of seasoned trolls and retards effectively? Literally no one gives a fuck about your opinion lmao even!
Dumbass. I bet lower forms of gay retards bask in the shadow of your angery dwarfism.
I know right. The Army was too hasty in adopting magazine fed firearms. I can only imagine an infirm private wasting ammunition on an enemy once slightly panicked.
40s, drums, and coffin mags are all too damn big. At most just have one as a first contact mag, and of them all the 40s are the only type you should trust for anything more than dirt shooting.
If it’s the one in your gun, sure. But it’s a pain in the ass to carry drums vs box mags. Quad stacks are much more manageable to carry than drums, for the same capacity, and are lighter.
I wish there was a purpose made receiver with a shorter magwell so we could get low profile 60rd drums. Like one that protrudes only about as much a normal 20 rounder.
Those can fit Ak drums and d60s well. I never saw a coffin mag that runs well. I’m kinda a surefire fanboi but even theirs kinda suck. Look cool though.
No. They're range toys. They're awkward to carry, awkward to put on and take off the weapon, make your rifle balance like you stuck a boat anchor on it, and hold only twice the amount of ammo as a regular magazine. You're trying to substitute gimmicks for a little training. Stop doing that.
I was a finnish military scribe for a while and I can tell you for certain that drum magazines for RK 95s are a requisitonable piece of kit and that quite a few of our officers have them.
Now, whether or not they just carry them for the giggle factor, for owning noobs with the blue-dick wooden laz0r blanks, or for actual deruskian efforts, I do not know.
Practically dumb
There must be some trick to it since Magpul makes relatively reputable ones and RPKs/PPSHs were issued with them for years, yet 90% of them that ever existed are unusably shit
I'd have gotten a drum magazine if they weren't so damn expensive for a toy, been eyeing up them pmag 42 rounders though, them things are like 25 cents per round capacity now that's a deal.
I think in theory given most people don't regularly do reload drills they'd probably benefit from a high capacity magazine but that's just gear trying to compensate for lack of training and might not actually matter since if you don't know reload drills you probably won't know fire discipline and shot counting.
Magazines overall are more reliable, RPK magazines were decent but heavy but that was acceptable for rifle magzaine interchangeability, PPSH drum mags were just as shit as other ones but they made them anyways because ussr being invaded.
>Each PPSh-41 came with two factory-fitted drum magazines that were matched to the weapon with marked serial numbers. If drum magazines were mixed and used with different serial numbered PPSh-41, a loose fitting could result in poor retention and failure to feed.
No, but what about a revolver AR? Its just as dumb but also cool.
Funnily enough, a guy I work with and myself talked about drawing one up in solid works. A revolver upper, Joe?
I would trust a Magpul D60. I would carry one "to start" and then transition to regular magazines.
That's a good strat in tarkov
D60s and wind up ak drums work great if your not retarded. Bad drum mags suck like pro mag and those South Korean ak drums
This is the move
That's how SADF did it with their R4s carrying a 50 rounder in the rifle and transitioning to 35s when they ran out
It's only really useful in a paramilitary context where you can't have access to LMGs like in . If most cases a LMG is more reliable and is better at suppression.
Yeah but >99% of Americans don't have belt feds of any sort so this is the stop gap solution
>sort so this is the stop gap solution
For what?
Your mother.
No one caught in a firefight wishes to have 30 rounds before having to reload. The only thing stopping them from this is carrying the damn thing. Stuck into a rifle it makes sense to carry
>But my lmg
You might have 2 of them in a squad if you're lucky, but usually you will have 1. They can't cover everything. Immediate sustained fire is the only thing to save you in an ambush if the kill zone is too open. You're gonna want that 60.
Flat range with maybe only competition as stress is a lot easier to prepare for and reload at.
>lot easier
As opposed to carrying 4x as much weight for a 2x delay in reloading for the entire time you have your gun on you is a terrible trade.
Source: I've been on a hike at least once.
If you run out of bullets in a short range gunfight you die. No your reload drills will not save you. No having squad mates close by does not save you. that 1.5 seconds you stop firing for kills you. having as many bullets as possible in the gun lowers the chances you get caught with your pants down, and in that regard it is worth a lot of sacrifices. as long as it is reliable.
>If you run out of bullets in a short range gunfight you die in cawadooty.
Ftfy.
>4x what 2 pmags weigh.
It weighs 3x as much as 30 rounder pmags for 2x the bullets. What a deal.
reload here without dying dipshit
brainlet here. who is who in this vid. looks like green on the top got lucky here.
>like green on the top got lucky here.
i dont know why the other guy pushed so hard
Violence of action can be beneficial, but it's always a gamble. If he blindfired into his face, we'd see the guy on the right looking like an idiot, but instead he missed and got smoked.
Easy you have a squadmate covering your reload
Why do you think the smallest unit in an army is a pair
Do you see one in the video? So much for that. Kilt in da streetz
>a total of 15 rounds fired in video
Ded In dUH StrEEts wiff uR 30 ROUndeRs!
I just watched two military guys shoot a few rounds at each other in an actual military context which is completely outside the scope of civilian defense, and now I need a 60 rounder? Lol
Oh yeah you're right I missed the part where OP specified for civilian concealed carry
It doesn’t even weigh 3x
The bulk is the issue, but you just carry one in the gun. If you live you will have all the time in the world to pick it up.
>If you run out of bullets in a short range gunfight you die.
And why would this situation happen in real life when using a rifle where 30 round mags are standard? You're getting your idea of how these scenario play out from video games that portray situations with more enemies to shoot than ever happens in real life outside of mass shootings.
Why would you be reloading in the midst of that situation? Each side fires only a few shots outside of the mag dump into the guy at contact distances at the end, and outside of the situations portrayed in video games with crazy amounts of enemies, there's no reason for back to back to back scenarios like that to play out without a lul to reload.
This bro graspin with some boomer ass arguments
Drum mag go burrrrr
>t. a child who gets his idea of what can actually happen in combat from video games and is incapable of separating fantasy from reality
>you can't get into a gunfight that lasts more than thirty rounds
>y-you just can't OK?
Post one single real world example where this was an actual issue and reloading wasn't an option. Not theoretical bullshit.
You're right, 60 rounds is absurd. Why the fuck do you need 30 rounds? Every gunfight has pauses within 20 rounds. Statistically, no gunfight has gone over 10 rounds anyway
Yeah muskets have been used for hundreds of years. Swords for milleniums. Rocks and sticks for tens of thousands at least! Why does anyone need anything? I can't think of a reason why.
>claims that every army today is leaving their soldiers under gunned for real situations they can get into
>when asked for proof that those situations even happen, resorts to accusing people of being anti gun
Yeah. If more capacity was a serious concern, the US Army alone has had quite a few chances to steer development toward getting soldiers more without the awkward bulk that drum mags for ARs have, and would see massive issues with moving back to 20 round mags like they are for the NGSW.
>NGSW proves that not only is 60 rounds too much, 30 rounds is also too much
Holy shit you actually are my terrible strawman lmfao
That's not what I said you retard. If there were already cases of 30 rounders getting people killed, then the Army would never have went with a 20 round mag for the NGSW, and would have been pushing things in a different direction years ago.
>what are guns that fill a completely different role from the infantryman's rifle
You must have missed the point where we are seriously lacking in the belt-fed area.
If your goal is to build some sort of AR SAW, then go ahead. I'm just arguing with the retards who think they'll be in some video game esque CQB scenario with no chances to reload while they gun down wave after wave of enemies.
Damn, why even bother with 20 rounds. Everyone should carry 10 rounders
>Lighter for noodle arms
>Less likely to snag on stuff
Shit I think magazine cut offs should make a come back as well.
Careful. Robots and retards don't get sarcasm.
The army has belt feds. Why the fuck are you here?
yeah like according to you, why do we even use machineguns? like bro just step away from the battle lmao
God shut the fuck up
I don’t play video games anymore, haven’t had time after highschool. Your the one who keeps bringing them up. I have done private contracting work in Africa in 2012-2014, training in Ukraine from 2014-2019 and “advisory” work in Syria in 2019-2020. You don’t know shit. Drum mags are a useful tool in some situations. Sorry you bought a shitty Korean drum at a gun show and based your whole perception on it you stupid fudd gay. When you have to fall back you don’t want to get caught reloading when you have to peel. When you initiate an ambush having more rounds on tap is a huge advantage for the opening fire. No, I do not suggest carrying 5 drums. One in the gun backed up by regular box mags is extremely useful and has very little downsides unless you are a retard who puts to much other shit on your guns or buys poorfag drums.
Were you also trained in gorilla warfare?
Yes
Why not just use jungle taped mags for that, like people have been doing for an extremely long time?
>available whenever you have magazines and something to attach them to each other
>lighter
>can fit in a normal mag pouch, making it possible to have more or less ready to go based on the situation
>less shit to go wrong vs a drum
>only real con vs drums is a slight break in fire that's a fraction of what a normal reload would be
Because jungle style taped mags dont actually fit pockets and they are unbalanced as shit, the ones like the G36 mags have those locking tabs that make them individually bulkier as well
>No having squad mates close by does not save you
And into the trash it goes
The russian (survivor) in the webm had buddies just out of the top of the frame. had he run out of ammo before the final magdump he would have died.
Yeah in a perfect world he would have a half dozen people actively covering him at all times. In the real world take every advantage you can get.
>1 drum of 60 rounds weighs as much as 120 rounds in 4 magazines
Uh sure kiddo
>2x longer reload
Didn't realize that the magpul d60 required an extra step to drop free
>hiking
I've done 12 mile timed rucks. I bow to your hiking experience though
Holy shit you people are retarded. The delay in reload is the theoretical advantage given by having 2x as many bullets. The time until your gun goes click is 2x as far away from the start of an engagement.
Christ, combine forces and snap your collective two neurons at each other to figure out the form of that post.
Also your argument fails simple logic
>any price
Carry something beltfed, then. Seriously. Why not a 22 pound gun and ammo combo with a 200 round belt? You could kill the whole enemy team with that! Think of the kill streaks!
The D60 is as unreliable as my AK drum (albeit more ergonomic), maybe the D45 would be fine but fuck that big-ass casket mag. Better off with jungle tape.
My D60, AK backloader 75rnd, and my Surefire 60 all work 100%
If you're asking "are the reliable?" Then no, unless you're anal-retentive about loading with most of them.
If you're asking "are they useful" I mean, having an absurd number of rounds is always useful, that's why they exist.
I have bought a couple but they're range toys to me, so the occasional failure to feed is fine.
Why not?
> heavy
> jam all the time
> don't fit in a vest or belt
> expensive
They're only good for havin' a bit of a goof at the range. If you can't get the job done with 31 than you're more than likely not going to be able to get it done with 50 or 100.
If you can't get the job done with 6 round then 25 rounds won't save you.
Sound familiar?
Post a situation where 31 rounds in your gun wouldn't be enough to justify the downside of a drum.
suppressing fire on the flank of an enemy element under ambush
>If you can't get the job done with 31 than you're more than likely not going to be able to get it done with 50 or 100
You'd be awfully surprised how much ammo you can burn on a peel, or keeping someone's head down for a few minutes.
You can just carry a second 30 rounder, and a 3rd after that.
> Suppessive fire
> Just use your m27 bro
> Beltfeds? The heavy weapons squad? Ssh, we're not supposed to talk about them.
Would drum magazines represent a useful upgrade for rifle drones that both physically can't reload, and can't carry anything belt fed?
lmao a high charlie on that has to be going over the berm
Sure!
i chuckled
It's not the Bill of Practicality
For home defense? Nah.
For yeeting tyrants? Absolutely.
They are, Indonesian and Turk naval special forces use one on the gun to shoot while they are prone on a zodiak where its harder to reload then they switch to normal mags when they land.
Ehh. Honestly reloading doesn't take that long and 30 rounds is quite a bit.
Guns are political
Political power grows from the barrel of a gun
The point of the 2A is to protect us from the government
And a 75 round metal Norinco mag or 100 round plastic AR mag can be loaded with armor piercing ammunition, a bipod, and used as an improvised LMG in the revolution
Automatic rifle's were popular among European armies for a bit and they used drum magazines, but they were eventually phased out for actual beltfed SAW's/LMG's because it was a worse version of both a SAW and a regular infantry rifle. In a irregular or insurgency scenario converting regular rifles into automatic rifles is easier and faster than trying to get SAW's and so could be a viable option then.
Trying to use mag and drum feds in place of a belt fed is a bad idea, but both belt feds and auto riflemen have their places. Weight and the ability to share ammo can be good for light and mobile infantry, be that sf or recon elements. They can also be good in areas where logistics are strained, having an auto rifle is better than having no sustained fire options. When the weight is less of a factor (or a non factor on vehicle mounts or static positions) and ranges are extended belt feds are clearly superior. Auto rifles are also more flexible, but kinda a jack of all trades master of none.
A good drum mag like a d60 does not weigh 4x what 2 pmags weigh. They also do not take substantially longer to load compared to 2 box mags either.
quad stacks do exist, you know?
Okay, here me out: what about a quad stack drum mag?
I have a couple of the relatively new Schmeisser magazines to mess around with my binary trigger and while they do fine they are pretty finicky. Any dirt and they are fucked. Don't even think about dropping them fully loaded. The surefire mags are so bad I just gave them away.
yea and they are better than 30rnd mags in every way, and there are pouches that easily fit them
If you are confident in reliability I can see where it may be handy. I bought an F5 Manufacturing for my 9mm after lots of review research.
why even need mags larger than 10 rounds, all you do is shoot paper targets that are still, none of you are ever gonna end up in a gunfight. so the only reason you would even buy 30 or 30+ round mags is if you are a mass shooter
Why tf do we need capital letters and periods? Can't we just fucking idk, be retarded?
So much this! Why would you ever carry extra supplies of something! Myself and other posters in this thread agree on our own clairvoyance and we know that we’d never need more than a single 30 round magazine in any situation.
what the fuck are you even preparing for bro, all you do is larp in your fucking bedroom, the second civil war for example ain't gonna happen
What if you want to make it happen? You need all the drum mags you can get
so many mass shooters on this thread, yikes
Glad you know what a comma is, retard.
Why does redd^t hate everything that is good and cool? Why don't they go back to where they came from? Do you think you can troll a website full of seasoned trolls and retards effectively? Literally no one gives a fuck about your opinion lmao even!
Dumbass. I bet lower forms of gay retards bask in the shadow of your angery dwarfism.
I know right. The Army was too hasty in adopting magazine fed firearms. I can only imagine an infirm private wasting ammunition on an enemy once slightly panicked.
What's better, one D-60 or a pair of coupled pmag40s?
40s, drums, and coffin mags are all too damn big. At most just have one as a first contact mag, and of them all the 40s are the only type you should trust for anything more than dirt shooting.
Coupled Pmag 40s for me
Simple and more ammo
Reloading is quick enuf
If it’s the one in your gun, sure. But it’s a pain in the ass to carry drums vs box mags. Quad stacks are much more manageable to carry than drums, for the same capacity, and are lighter.
I wish there was a purpose made receiver with a shorter magwell so we could get low profile 60rd drums. Like one that protrudes only about as much a normal 20 rounder.
there's this thing:
60 round coffin mag seems like a good choice.
Should fit well in things that aren't Gucci micro rigs
Those can fit Ak drums and d60s well. I never saw a coffin mag that runs well. I’m kinda a surefire fanboi but even theirs kinda suck. Look cool though.
No. They're range toys. They're awkward to carry, awkward to put on and take off the weapon, make your rifle balance like you stuck a boat anchor on it, and hold only twice the amount of ammo as a regular magazine. You're trying to substitute gimmicks for a little training. Stop doing that.
they're fun
have some fun op
im like gene krupa over here
My kit has one D60 to start. If what opposes me hasnt been dealt with in 60 rounds and Im forced to drop the drum mag, Imma be pissed.
I was a finnish military scribe for a while and I can tell you for certain that drum magazines for RK 95s are a requisitonable piece of kit and that quite a few of our officers have them.
Now, whether or not they just carry them for the giggle factor, for owning noobs with the blue-dick wooden laz0r blanks, or for actual deruskian efforts, I do not know.