>The USAS 12 was initially supposed to be introduced to the American domestic market, but was ultimately shut down when it was classified as a Destructive Device due to it serving no sporting purposes.
what a waste of money
3-Gun competitions use Saigas and AR looking shotguns like that to demolish the shotgun stages. At this point if you aren't using one you basically don't have any chance to win.
The AR15 is below the arbitrary bore size for being a DD.
It's an import, so unlike domestic treasury secretary gets to decide if it has a "sporting purpose". And unfortunately for those poor bastards they tried to bring it to the states in the mid-Clinton administration and whoops "NO SPORTING PURPOSE >:(" so became a DD which torpedoed it, leaving us with turkshit instead.
There was an attempt to recreate the USAS-12 but like
some arizona company was gonna do a domestic clone and bypass dd ruling like 15 years ago or somethin but plan fell apart. dont remember why.
said it just up and vanished was supposed to have a picatinny rail instead of the carry handle
otherwise any attempt to clone the USAS,Strike and street sweeper never happened probably because of manufacturers not wanting to deal with the NFA and its moronic bullshit
some arizona company was gonna do a domestic clone and bypass dd ruling like 15 years ago or somethin but plan fell apart. dont remember why.
. That's right, was called "WM-12" IIRC. Don't know why they died, beyond that lots of that type of effort falls apart for one reason or another. May have just been raw bad luck timing, think it was 2008? So exactly when the financial meltdown was happening, absolutely brutally bad time to be trying to get a new manufacturing business off the ground.
Without needing to feed through a tower, the only force on each shell is the spindle itself rotating, not a train of shells pushing on each other at the top.
The shells never touch so they can't catch rims or have the soft plastic deform out of round before chambering.
You could just buy a semi-auto Italian shotgun and load your own fancy shells. If somebody breaks into your house, they’ll burn to death and you can just explain it away with a lawyer. If the glowBlack folk kick down your door, you’re fricked anyway so might as well make them suffer.
Unless something changed in the last few months that gunbroker price is about double what it should be. There's a lot of stupidiy regarding people buying those. I saw people bid a USED aow version of that gun up to over 8k on RIA when Autoweapons had a NEW one for 4500.
>Are they worth buying?
From a price:performance perspective? No.
From a collectable perspective? Subjective.
From an investment perspective? I don't know. Probably not.
If you just want a good auto-loading shotgun with a magazine you can get a Gen-12 for $2500.
>From an investment perspective? I don't know. Probably not.
That's a valid assessment. Generally speaking transferable full autos appreciate well but other NFA items do not appreciate much. If the goal was purely to buy an investment a DD would not be a good choice. You'd do much better buying something like a pre-WWII S&W, rare milsurp, a fine English or Italian double shotgun, anything associated with the US Civil war, transferable full auto, etc. Watch the high-end auctions like RIA and do your homework. When "recessions" happen you can often find killer deals. There were many deals to be had this past August. There probably will be in December as well given what's going on with the financial markets, Ukraine, etc.
What makes that a DD? Shotguns are legal and semiauto magfed are just normal title 1 too, friend has a few. Actually curious.
>The USAS 12 was initially supposed to be introduced to the American domestic market, but was ultimately shut down when it was classified as a Destructive Device due to it serving no sporting purposes.
what a waste of money
what sport is this used in?
That looks like a standard clay shooter or squirrel hunter gun to me anon.
The AR15 is below the arbitrary bore size for being a DD.
thats cool but thats not an ar15 you silly billy
he's such a silly goose
3-Gun competitions use Saigas and AR looking shotguns like that to demolish the shotgun stages. At this point if you aren't using one you basically don't have any chance to win.
That's a 12ga shotgun that looks like an AR-15.
culling joggers
hog hunting?
Commie bicep challenge cup.
Luck based bullseye shooting. Basically craps if done with birdshot at a long distance
GayTF letter
>tl;dr no sporting purpose cause scary and bore over certain diameter
Just create the mega extreme clay shooting league where you get swarmed by 20 at a time except they are three times as large as usual
>What makes that a DD?
"No sporting purpose"
Thermobaric birdshot shells.
>burn the ends off of feathers and the live ones cant fly away
>bird falls to the ground perfectly cooked
based
It's an import, so unlike domestic treasury secretary gets to decide if it has a "sporting purpose". And unfortunately for those poor bastards they tried to bring it to the states in the mid-Clinton administration and whoops "NO SPORTING PURPOSE >:(" so became a DD which torpedoed it, leaving us with turkshit instead.
Why doesn't some US manufacturer just make a copy?
There was an attempt to recreate the USAS-12 but like
said it just up and vanished was supposed to have a picatinny rail instead of the carry handle
otherwise any attempt to clone the USAS,Strike and street sweeper never happened probably because of manufacturers not wanting to deal with the NFA and its moronic bullshit
Thank god for that, the carry handle is like 40 percent of the charm
See
. That's right, was called "WM-12" IIRC. Don't know why they died, beyond that lots of that type of effort falls apart for one reason or another. May have just been raw bad luck timing, think it was 2008? So exactly when the financial meltdown was happening, absolutely brutally bad time to be trying to get a new manufacturing business off the ground.
>What makes that a DD?
It looks scary!
It scares politicians and overprotective mothers.
when you can buy a modern not a destructive device semi auto? probably not
some arizona company was gonna do a domestic clone and bypass dd ruling like 15 years ago or somethin but plan fell apart. dont remember why.
No, just get a VEPR clone for $400.
find one under 3k.
the only shotgun drum not gimped by a feed tower
also, get a binary trigger
whats wrong with feed tower?
Without needing to feed through a tower, the only force on each shell is the spindle itself rotating, not a train of shells pushing on each other at the top.
The shells never touch so they can't catch rims or have the soft plastic deform out of round before chambering.
You could just buy a semi-auto Italian shotgun and load your own fancy shells. If somebody breaks into your house, they’ll burn to death and you can just explain it away with a lawyer. If the glowBlack folk kick down your door, you’re fricked anyway so might as well make them suffer.
are turkish semi-auto shotguns worth owning purely for the meme?
youre better off buying a maverick 88 just to see how long it goes before it breaks
frick turkshit shotguns
The ATI Bulldog is the only one I've found to actually work and not destroy itself under 500 rounds.
Worth $5k on gunbroker?
it's a clunky museum piece so if you don't mind $5k for that, go for it.
Where else am I supposed to get a self indexing rotary drum fed shotgun?
autoweapons.com
Unless something changed in the last few months that gunbroker price is about double what it should be. There's a lot of stupidiy regarding people buying those. I saw people bid a USED aow version of that gun up to over 8k on RIA when Autoweapons had a NEW one for 4500.
Holy shit thanks
more like 1.5k
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/forums/index.php?/topic/13811-wts-street-sweeper-by-cobray/#comment-41951
>2019
Just get a mag-fed domestic one, like a 20-round Mossberg.
As much as I want a USAS to fill out my Daewoo collection, 6k is not really worth it for a more or less meme.
>Are they worth buying?
From a price:performance perspective? No.
From a collectable perspective? Subjective.
From an investment perspective? I don't know. Probably not.
If you just want a good auto-loading shotgun with a magazine you can get a Gen-12 for $2500.
>From an investment perspective? I don't know. Probably not.
That's a valid assessment. Generally speaking transferable full autos appreciate well but other NFA items do not appreciate much. If the goal was purely to buy an investment a DD would not be a good choice. You'd do much better buying something like a pre-WWII S&W, rare milsurp, a fine English or Italian double shotgun, anything associated with the US Civil war, transferable full auto, etc. Watch the high-end auctions like RIA and do your homework. When "recessions" happen you can often find killer deals. There were many deals to be had this past August. There probably will be in December as well given what's going on with the financial markets, Ukraine, etc.