Are cruise missiles obsolete?

Are cruise missiles obsolete?

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  1. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    No, only r*ssian ones

  2. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Throwing handfuls at a time into prepared air defenses certainly seems to be.

  3. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Was the entire attack really only eighteen missiles?
    Did they really need to send fifteen Tu-95 for that?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Better to spread them out when you only have so many missiles I guess. If somehow one gets shot down its embarrassing enough. If one happens to get shot down and the blocks the entire money shot, whew lad I can't even begin to imagine the salt.

  4. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    huh, i swear i saw this same exact thread 404 two times by now.

  5. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    What are they shooting them down with? Asking seriously I’m curious

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Ukraine had a lot of soviet AD systems of their own, and their cities are guarded by the best western air defense systems such as NASAMS, now Patriots, IRIS-T, etc.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      There's been confirmed cruise missile kills all the way down to MANPADS and ZSU-23 units, so the answer is "everything that can shoot up". Patriot, NASAMS, S-300, I-HAWK, Gepard, Starstreak, Ihor blasting wildly at the sky with Toyota mounted quad Maxim, etc

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >What are they shooting them down with?
      Doesn't the Kh-101 typically cruise at about Mach 0.6 at a couple hundred meters at best? I'd say just about anything will work.
      The Ukies have released a few videos of guys with random MANPADS knocking them out of the sky. There isn't a lot of video material of anti-air guns firing, but those can probably do the job too.
      Launching those slow-ish missiles from very unstealthy, loud as frick Cold War era bombers also pretty much guarantees the Ukies will know they're coming.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        I've heard there is a 1-2% chance couple guys with an MG can shoot them down.
        Just stick a couple hundred people around in the path and that probability rises significantly.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        I'd guess it's because anti air guys are very intel sensitive.
        But I do wish to see them in action.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        I saw at least one clip claiming to be from this latest raid on Kyiv, and it kinda looked like they were using some sort of rapid firing heavy flak, like they'd dragged ZSU-57s out.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Patriot and NASAMS.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      starstreaks.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      VatBlack folk won't tell you this but literally tge entirety of Saddam's big misdile rain on Kuwait was annihilated by Patriots
      I don't think Russia has anything better.

  6. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    There are two kinds of cruise missile usage:
    1. Overwhelming first strike. You take the enemy by total surprise with far more missiles than they could possibly counter or deal with, striking preselected military targets. This is best backed up by air strikes and SEAD.
    2. Cope cruises. You have completely lost air superiority and have been reduced to lobbing cruise missiles into enemy cities like a monkey throwing shit across a river. You may as well launch the missiles into the ocean for all the good they do you.

  7. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Not the application but the technology within.

  8. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Probably only 1 million down the drain if we consider actual exchange rates.

  9. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >$13 million each
    must have pulled that number of their butthole or they're going by how much a AGM-129 were for a guessimation

  10. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    195M is nothing... we hit 3 places each worth more. this is all calculated by smart people higher up

  11. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Looks like those sci-fi series with missile swarms were right. You need to launch in waves to overwhelm defenses.

    It's going to be so funny when war with china happens and ships of both sides can't sink each other because missiles drop like flies.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      This was always the case. There was nothing particularly magical about missiles that made them immune to AA. They just move very quickly. That's it. If you catch up to them, or are lucky with obsolete AA, you can shoot them down.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Nah AA just 20 years ago was very mediocre at intercepting missiles. We went from 20% rate to 95%. Soon it could be near 100%.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          20% isn't that bad. That means one in five attempts succeeds. Again, there was never anything magical about cruise missiles.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          There's advances cruise missiles can make in response. I've never seen a cruise missile drop decoys for instance, but there's no reason you couldn't. Imagine a hypothetical missile system:
          >BGM-69 Decoyhawk
          >1000lb warhead replaced by 10 radially mounted ADM160s (works weight wise, might be fewer decoys volumetrically, but you get the idea)
          >fire one for every salvo of 10 Tomahawks, doubling the effective number of targets for a 10% decrease in warheads delivered
          >slam the airframe into the enemy anyways like a Slapchop Hellfire, or give it EO sensors and some extra loiter time to act as leader of a munitions swarm

          Or be lazy and do things the Russian way and just slap a giant fricking liquid rocket motor on your 5 ton missile like Kh-22 to drive up the required speed and cost of interceptor missiles. Or both! The world is your oyster to hit with cruise missiles!

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >anon thinks he's the first one to think of cruise missile decoy systems
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nulka
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADM-160_MALD
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADM-141_TALD
            The vatBlack folk have systems of their own, but I can't remember the name of them off the top of my head

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              >The vatBlack folk have systems of their own, but I can't remember the name of them off the top of my head
              Why aren't they using them then and if they are, why aren't they effective?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Who the frick knows, but if I had to hazard a guess I'd assume it's because they've either been cannibalised for parts for explosive armed misisles, stored incorrectly/poorly, or have been sold off to the highest bidder. It's Russia, it could be anything really

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              None of those are submunitions like I'm describing. Iskander has decoy submunitions, for instance.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/mjFWGCc.jpg

          There's advances cruise missiles can make in response. I've never seen a cruise missile drop decoys for instance, but there's no reason you couldn't. Imagine a hypothetical missile system:
          >BGM-69 Decoyhawk
          >1000lb warhead replaced by 10 radially mounted ADM160s (works weight wise, might be fewer decoys volumetrically, but you get the idea)
          >fire one for every salvo of 10 Tomahawks, doubling the effective number of targets for a 10% decrease in warheads delivered
          >slam the airframe into the enemy anyways like a Slapchop Hellfire, or give it EO sensors and some extra loiter time to act as leader of a munitions swarm

          Or be lazy and do things the Russian way and just slap a giant fricking liquid rocket motor on your 5 ton missile like Kh-22 to drive up the required speed and cost of interceptor missiles. Or both! The world is your oyster to hit with cruise missiles!

          Real shit is when we have ship or truck-deployable laser missile defense
          At that point the era of missile spam is officially over

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Highly reflective coating can handle 1 MW/cm2 continuous laser or 400 W/cm2 pulse. Are expected practical lasers in the near future going to have ability to overcome that?

            https://www.edmundoptics.co.uk/knowledge-center/application-notes/optics/highly-reflective-coatings/

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Layered defense probably.
              Stealth gets defeated by lasers.
              Kinectics can see and react to reflective at longer distaces.
              Fast and full spectum stealth does not work well together.
              Stealth and Heat dissapation/material requirements at higher speeds dont like each other very well

              VatBlack folk won't tell you this but literally tge entirety of Saddam's big misdile rain on Kuwait was annihilated by Patriots
              I don't think Russia has anything better.

              They had decent penetration at the time but it was due to 2 reason Sadam removed weight fricking up balance on SCUDs gave them range but made them unstable in flight making it less accurate but harder to hit.
              Then there was that strike on a US base that happened becuase an internal clock drifted 3ms causing a 600 foot miscalulation for intercept.
              They are alot better now not running on 80's tier computing power for calculations.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >both sides open the war with massive missile salvos, depleting their own arsenals against enemy interceptors
      >surface combatants begin regularly closing to gunnery range, carriers run air defense sorties but have run out of AShMs and won't risk their planes dropping dumb bombs
      >Iowas reactivated
      >China begins building BBs in response, America builds BBN 2040

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Battleship bros we are back!

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >AA advancements mean battleship shells will be intercepted
          >ships will have to come alongside and board enemy ships
          Marine bros we are going home

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >16"/50 sabot rounds, 90mm thick, two meter long DU rods traveling at mach frick you with a kinetic energy of lmao
            Good luck intercepting it

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              just shoot your own 16" sabot round at it, whoever runs out of ammo first loses their battleship

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >16" discarding sabot

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                John Ringo is a certified moron

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                that thing is made for shooting down alien landing ships

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, I read the books. He's still a moron.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                .. are you some kind of a masochist then?

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >boarding when you can just ram the enemy ship and sink it or use a submersible to plant an explosive against it

  12. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    My brother in Christ. If we declared everything obsolete whenever Russia fricked up the usage and made it look worthless, we'd have no weapons left.

  13. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why aren’t decoy missiles a thing? Can’t you make a very cheap missile with just the bare tech to fly straight and no payload to lure antiair and make them spend valious missiles on your decoys?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      see

      >anon thinks he's the first one to think of cruise missile decoy systems
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nulka
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADM-160_MALD
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADM-141_TALD
      The vatBlack folk have systems of their own, but I can't remember the name of them off the top of my head

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Anon, if it can already fly 600km, you might as well add a cheap warhead to
      it.
      No such thing as cheap cruise missiles honestly.

  14. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Based on Russian performance in this war on diferent dates you can make the case that war is obsolete due to bad performance.

  15. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly these assessments are moronic.
    This missiles cost russia basically nothing like the US cold war stock costs basically nothing.
    More so for the russian weapons however as the USSR made them.
    The cost is inflicted from restocking than expending.
    This may seem like pedantanics but the long term ramfications are going to be intresting.
    Remember when the russians were buying back arms from the third world from triple the costs.
    The problem is the world has gotten used cheap russian surplus becuase it was being sold as a raw resouce by theives (IE it was sold for how much it costed to loot and transport plus risk divorced from the reality of production costs)
    Now that the entire soviet stockpile is being burned and warlords are suddenly buying back weapons at double cost to resell to russia at triple or more to the russians gambling the price will drop back to histoic levels after the war.
    Only unfortantly for them those histoical lows only work when you can get said weapons in large numbers without producing more.
    Era of 75$ AKs 300$ RPGs and 3$ 1000 rounds of ammo is over for third world miltias.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Black person the kh-101 entered service in 2012.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Ah got those mixed with the Kh-55 my bad.
        Rest of my points still stand.

  16. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    If this is true, then yes. I think ukraine lies as much as russia because they are russian too, so im skeptical.

  17. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    yeah

  18. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    So, anything else with such large stand-off range that is air-launched, has the option between high payload conv and nucl, has low-altitude terrain-following guidance, can be hypersonic and act as precision munition? What combines these features, is cheaper to produce and can readily replace cruise missiles?
    >hurhusdhuisnd brosss it dy so it obsulete!!

  19. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >each one of those costs 13 million.
    Goyheed margin doesn't operate in Russia, it's a US company.

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