AR fans: muh straight line recoil! Soldiers:

AR fans: muh straight line recoil!
Soldiers:

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    probably another factor for why people are gravitating towards super height over bore mounts

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's a fucking 5.56 who the fuck cares about recoil?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      People in gu fights.

      https://i.imgur.com/EuvfJlR.jpg

      AR fans: muh straight line recoil!
      Soldiers:

      Your understanding of physics or guns is non-existant OP

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        *BANG BANG BANG*
        >oh nooooo my 5.56 recoil
        kek

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Thank you for confirming to everyone you are a nogunz retard.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >aaaaahhhhh my shoulder
            >the RECOIL
            >THE REEEECOIIIILLLLLLL
            Post your bruises, soeyboey

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >aaaaahhhhh my shoulder
          >the RECOIL
          >THE REEEECOIIIILLLLLLL
          Post your bruises, soeyboey

          the bot broke again, someone tell Demych to crawl back into the hole and fix it right this time

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            t. has never shot a gun

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >t. too autistic to communicate like a human
              ftfy
              are you saying 5.56 has a lot of recoil? a little? why are you so mad?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                me on the right

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                POST THE FUCKING SET

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Pls no

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                what the fuck am I looking at?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                We're getting to the point where AI is so good I can't tell if shit like this is real of some surreal bullshit.

                Hello tourists

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                You can't just post one anon.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                We're getting to the point where AI is so good I can't tell if shit like this is real of some surreal bullshit.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Newfag.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I've been here for years and I've seen the image before but call me a newfag if you want. I don't give a fuck. Could you tell the story of the image for me and the other anons who've asked?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                One autist with photoshop.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Basically one dedicated autist has photoshopped a shitload of this stuff, all of very similar scenarios. It is assumed that this is an incredibly esoteric fetish, so niche that he has to make it himself.

                tl;dr

                One autist with photoshop.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        *BANG*
        "Oh noes, I missed."
        *BANGBANG*
        "Gottem"

        It's a 5.56 automatic rifle with magazines, it's not like it's a .308 bolt action rifle

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >about recoil?
      What recoil?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Thank you for confirming to everyone you are a nogunz retard.

        >aaaaahhhhh my shoulder
        >the RECOIL
        >THE REEEECOIIIILLLLLLL
        Post your bruises, soeyboey

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    God I hate retards.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I will never forget my drill sgt shooting the m16 off his crotch.

    Its 223, WHAT FUCKING RECOIL

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    you mean GIs are retarded? say it ain't so

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The eternal American infantryman yearns for the Kentucky Longrifle, he just doesn’t know it yet.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's a symbol of our culture.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Fuck ya mudda

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I have two dads. What now, uh?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Fuck ya fadda

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Be glad and thankful Anon for your double father who both loves you dearly. Some unfortunate soul didn't even have one. Praise God and Lord Jesus Christ for such a gift Anon.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Those lines you drew have no relation to anything.

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    First shot in the chest
    Second in the head 🙂

    I use it in CSGO all the time. Good tactic so obviously a soldier would do this.

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >No automatic weapons

    That is incorrect. Repeaters existed. Organ guns existed. Early semi-automatics in the form of air guns existed. And we know the founding fathers were aware of them. Pretty much none of these were mass produced however due to practical concerns or reliability issues.

    Many concepts were also actively being debated as far as gun development went, but there simply wasn't the technical knowhow yet in order to do it. You can bet your life savings that it wouldn't requires more than 3 seconds to explain the concept of a cardridge to someone from 1700's because the concept itself was self evident, logical, and the expected next development, but metallurgy and chemistry hadn't yet caught up to meet this desire

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Read an opinion from a guy who claimed that the biggest problem with inline recoil, or rather the height over it results in, is that you need to raise your head higher to shoot above cover, meaning you're more likely to get shot.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Realistically the height over bore difference between an AR and an AK with irons is only like .6”. If you’re willing to deviate from a 2022 Russian Army clone build and put an optic on your AK, it pretty much disappears.

      I guess if you’re a big boomer you could run an M14 with iron sights and then you might see a noticeable difference.

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    > There's probably an invisible mountain of THOUSANDS of unreported murders by white people that make up the gap!

    Sounds great OP

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Reality has an anti-black, anti-female bias

      These people produce the most hysterical of takes

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'm starting to hate pajeets more than garden gnomes and I didn't think that was possible

      >Reality has an anti-black, anti-female bias

      These people produce the most hysterical of takes

      Kek'd check'd and heil'd
      >trust the science NO NOT LIKE THAT

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    burying spiky end into your shoulder...
    great idea bro...

    >no recoil
    heh...

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because it doesn't really matter on a 5.56.
    Remember that the OG gun is picrel.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      sex with AR-10

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >AR15
    >recoil

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >black neighborhoods are overpoliced
    I love how the left just switches gears, making shit up to suit the current argument. The original meme used to be that white neighborhoods were overpoliced because police only cared about protecting whites. Now the left meme changed somehow? Also, studies show crime goes less reported in black neighborhoods because of the whole “no snitching” culture

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This…“I came fast like 911 in a white neighborhood” - j cole

      I’ve never heard that black neighborhoods were overpoliced, this must be some new BLM meme or something some white suburban socialist made up.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The issue they always fail to acknowledge is WHY the highly policed areas are "overpoliced," which is the fact that there is more violent crime there. Yeah, more black and latin people probably do get clipped for drug possession than white people disproportionate to the rate of usage, but that's a side effect of the police being in the neighborhood trying to catch murderers and drive by shooters. Why the fuck would they be wasting time and gas patrolling up and down the block in peaceful suburbs where nobody is calling them? White neighborhoods that happen to have high violent crime rates are going to get higher police presence too. It's how the fuck policing works.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        True. Racially focused suburbanites created this narrative that blacks neighborhoods are uniquely focused on by cops more than white neighborhoods when
        1) police presence compared to crime rate shows there are more police presence per crime in wealthy neighborhoods compared to poor neighborhoods. That’s just the nature of the inverse squared law though, it doesn’t scale evenly.
        2) poor white trash neigborhiods in the Deep South see the same police presence as poor black neighborhoods

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    > Camp Rogain
    The Norwood Reaper Drone strikes again

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >FBI only tracks crimes when there’s a conviction
    I know this is some weird bait, but because there are retards here on PrepHole, I want to point out that this is false. Along with every other point made in the infographic

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    that's because it's a toy rifle in .223 rather than the original in .308

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    To be fair he's shouldering that like a fucking retard. Exaggerates your point i guess.

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Be 60 year old woman
    >Us BJJ on 5 young urban scholars
    Wow way to be an ableist piece of shit.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >civilian makes steel core AP ammo
      somebody please explain to me, on a realistic and rational level, why someone would do this?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        possibility of coming into armed conflict with armored opponents.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Okay, but that's what you buy a 9mm, 45 or 38 for. To have some force multiplier on you should you ever need it. Civilians have no use for AP rounds because we don't get mugged by fully decked out PMCs. I just don't understand the mindset behind that. Plinking? You gonna destroy your targets with steel ammo. Target shooting? Regular ammo does just fine. Hunting? "OH YEAH, I NEED AP ROUNDS TO KILL THE BUCK BEHIND THAT HOG BEHIND THAT MOOSE!"

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >need
            you're a fag

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Let me rephrase it in a way that even you should understand: What do you do with it that regular off-the-shelf-ammo doesn't do as well? Is it just some arts and crafts project?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Is it just some arts and crafts project?
                Painting with the blood of federal employees.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Let me rephrase it to help your mongoloid mind understand, the vast majority of people won't ever need a gun let alone an ar, by your logic no one should have either. Therefore, you're a fag.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >the vast majority of people won't ever need a gun
                Can you quote me the part that you think i was advocating against having AP rounds? I'm talking, specifically and exclusively, about the time/work/effort investment. I don't see the point of going through the process of making AP rounds because i see no use for them that regular ammo doesn't cover. If you wanna make them because you enjoy the process of creating them, go ahead, but what do you do with them then?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            If you have to ask why someone would need AP ammo they’re zero explanations that would be convincing for you. This is a difference in perspective and ideology at the end of the day, and the mere question indicates your inability to see it from his point of view. Perhaps start examining your internal biases and figure out why.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              read

              >the vast majority of people won't ever need a gun
              Can you quote me the part that you think i was advocating against having AP rounds? I'm talking, specifically and exclusively, about the time/work/effort investment. I don't see the point of going through the process of making AP rounds because i see no use for them that regular ammo doesn't cover. If you wanna make them because you enjoy the process of creating them, go ahead, but what do you do with them then?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                What do you do with any other ammo?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                plinking, target shooting, hunting and just in general getting more used to shooting(to reduce flinching/stress) in case i need to defend myself or my home.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Okay, so that's the reason.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Thanks for explaining it Mr. Glowie. Pretty much this, same when people ask why you need magnified optics and plates and NVGs. If you don’t get it you don’t get it and that’s as far as it’s worth explaining.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >anyone i don't like is a 3 letter agent out to get me

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Lmao I’m not insulting you, I’m saying I agree. I just think there’s also a non-negligible chance that you’re on the taxpayers’ payroll.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Civilians have no use for AP rounds because we don't get mugged by fully decked out PMCs
            Yet

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Civilians have no use for AP rounds
            your point being?
            it's cool and I want em

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I hope he is wearing a respirator

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    This is straight line recoil, retard

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Do you understand levers and moments?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        People in gu fights.
        [...]
        Your understanding of physics or guns is non-existant OP

        This is assuming the forces and distances at play are all low (which they are).

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >uses math and science to call OP a no brain gay
          doing gods work

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          WRONG!
          Using the names in your drawing:
          Fx = F + Fz, where Fz (unmarked in your drawing) is perpendicular to F, and pointing upwards (towards the shooter’s glasses.

          Fy in your drawing does not exist. If it did, it would mean that force F is greater than the force of the gun firing.

          If you really want to get into it, Fz imparts torque around the center of gravity and causes the barrel to rise, which is what the straight line recoil was supposed to prevent.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I don't undestand what you're saying.
            If, as you say, Fx = F + Fz
            then
            => Fx = (Fx + Fy + Fz) + Fz
            => Fx = Fx + Fy +2Fz
            Which make absolutely no sense.

            In my drawing, the XY plane is defined by the long-wise cross-section of the stock. This means that there are only X and Y components to the force F, since the force acts only inside this plane.

            >Fz imparts torque around the center of gravity and causes the barrel to rise
            How could a moment M(Fz) cause a clockwise rotation in XY plane? It's literally impossible, as far as I know.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              The “z” in “Fz” doesn’t indicate a force in the third dimension; it’s just a follow on term after “y” since the dude who posted the first vector pic fucked up his vectors. “Fy” doesn’t exist. The vectors are simply:

              https://i.imgur.com/YTjJKVp.jpg

              Reposting: forgot the pic
              [...] (You) #
              >Force Blue = - Force White
              According to vector sums,
              >Force Blue = Force Purple + Force Yellow
              Force Purple is the recoil passed into the shooter
              Force Yellow is the imparted muzzle rise

              >purple + yellow = blue
              And the moment is generated by yellow.

              If you really want to knit-pick, the force vectors should all originate from the chamber, in front of the magazine, not from where the Burt’s rock meets the upper receiver.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              You are treating the X/Y plane, in your description and in the context of the picture you posted, as of it was based on being level with the earth. This would imply that the recoil is completely dependent on the angle at which the shooter is pointing the weapon.

              Since a force vector can be described by the sun of two perpendicular vectors, in your drawing, the force traveling down the but stick to the shooter’s shoulder is greater than the force of the bullet itself, which violates Newton’s third law. The equal-but-opposite force (blue) travels exactly in the opposite of the bullet (white). The blue force can then be described by two perpendicular vectors:
              1). The force traveling down the but stick to the shoulder, and
              2). The moment generating force, which causes the barrel to rise

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Autocorrect is killing me
                “But stick” = “buttstock”
                “Sun” = “sum”

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >in your drawing, the force traveling down the but stick to the shooter’s shoulder is greater than the force of the bullet itself, which violates Newton’s third law.
                Ok, I get it now.
                You're saying that the recoil force is the blue force (in your drawing), which is parallel to the ground the soldier is standing on.
                In my drawing, the recoil force is the dark blue one. This force does have X and Y components (the XY plane cuts through the length of the stock).

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Right. The recoil is just the equal-but-opposite force to that acting upon the bullet. (Blue in my drawing, Fx in yours). In my drawing, it appears parallel to the ground, but that is only because the shooter is shooting parallel to the ground. Blue would be a vector that is equal in magnitude but opposite in direction to the force of the bullet traveling down the barrel, so if the shooter was pointing straight up, the blue counterforce would be straight down.

                The recoil can then be broken into two perpendicular vectors whose sum equals blue/Fx. One part is the force imparted directly upon the shooter via the buttstock (purple in my drawing, “F” in your drawing). The moment generating force can then be solved as SIN(sigma)*-(F_bullet), where sigma is the angle between blue and purple in my drawing.

                In your drawing, Fy comes out of nowhere. (It could be viewed as the force of gravity, but that is counteracted by the shooter holding the rifle up, so it doesn’t factor in). This means that either (i) your force Fx is not equal to the force of the bullet, or, if it is, (ii) F is greater than the force of the bullet. Both cases are inconsistent with Newton’s third law.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          WRONG!
          Using the names in your drawing:
          Fx = F + Fz, where Fz (unmarked in your drawing) is perpendicular to F, and pointing upwards (towards the shooter’s glasses.

          Fy in your drawing does not exist. If it did, it would mean that force F is greater than the force of the gun firing.

          If you really want to get into it, Fz imparts torque around the center of gravity and causes the barrel to rise, which is what the straight line recoil was supposed to prevent.

          >Force Blue = - Force White
          According to vector sums,
          >Force Blue = Force Purple + Force Yellow
          Force Purple is the recoil passed into the shooter
          Force Yellow is the imparted muzzle rise.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Reposting: forgot the pic

            WRONG!
            Using the names in your drawing:
            Fx = F + Fz, where Fz (unmarked in your drawing) is perpendicular to F, and pointing upwards (towards the shooter’s glasses.

            Fy in your drawing does not exist. If it did, it would mean that force F is greater than the force of the gun firing.

            If you really want to get into it, Fz imparts torque around the center of gravity and causes the barrel to rise, which is what the straight line recoil was supposed to prevent.

            (You) #
            >Force Blue = - Force White
            According to vector sums,
            >Force Blue = Force Purple + Force Yellow
            Force Purple is the recoil passed into the shooter
            Force Yellow is the imparted muzzle rise

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Force yellow is literally just the moment caused by force purple. It's not the Y component of force purple (which is the recoil).

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          You fucking retard

        • 2 months ago
          stoner

          Nice freebody diagram

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Damn, I've got to give you props for the effort of actually drawing a free body diagram.
          Anyway, here's my take on it, having done a good few of these for my degree, not that this is done to that standard.

          My diagram is essentially a precursor to yours, if you resolve out the forces, the orange force is equivalent to the F in your diagram.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Wtf is this? What is f1? Or for that matter any of the other forces you marked

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Sorry, my handwriting is absolutely atrocious.
              Yes, those are lowercase f with numerical subscripts. They represent forces applied by the shooter onto the gun, excluding those acting through direct contact with the shoulder.

              >University of Phoenix online

              Obtained at a Russel Group University, sorry to disappoint you.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                But the rifle is in stasis the moment before the charge ignited, so every force must be being counteracted at the time of shooting. So the hand is not applying a counterforce that reduces recoil. And even if it did, you’re not accounting for the transfer of that force through the arm to the shoulder, which is where the rest of the force is being countered.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I wrote a whole rambling reply that got way the fuck off topic, so I'm going to try again, going back to the OP.
                In

                https://i.imgur.com/EuvfJlR.jpg

                AR fans: muh straight line recoil!
                Soldiers:

                the principle comment being made is that the soldier will not experience "straight-line recoil" because of the way he is holding it.
                This is true. That form will result in a felt force that will need to be compensated for by arm strength if you want to avoid muzzle-flip i.e. rotation of the gun.
                I misunderstood the post I was initially responding to, because, like a dumbass, I posted without reading the whole thread, and I can say that he was wrong, there is no Y component to the recoil, and so it doesn't cancel out and invalidate the OP's point.

                Then your post, asking me to clarify my admittedly garbage diagram,

                Wtf is this? What is f1? Or for that matter any of the other forces you marked

                . I have not helped myself here. My diagram only shows forces in the torso, which does not grant the full picture of recoil absorption in the human body.

                And finally, your current post . The rifle is in stasis before the charge ignites, but this does not mean it won't move after. The gun pushes the bullet out of the barrel, and this has to have an equal and opposite momentum transfer into the gun. Thankfully, the gun is heavier, so it moves much slower than the bullet, but it's still in contact with the hands and shoulder, both of which resist its backward movement.
                This decreases the rearward momentum of the gun over time, and momentum changing over time requires a force to cause it, the force of the shoulder and hands resisting it.
                You are totally correct that the hands merely transfer force into the shoulder, and it was foolish of me to miss that, so the hands are only really compensating for muzzle-flip.
                Anyway the rest of the recoil dissipation is just leaning into the recoil, to be reductionist. Obviously you can't just put your full weight into it, but you can perform subtle balance and weight shifting that means that the recoil ends up transferred through your feet, into the Earth.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >University of Phoenix online

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    stocks on ar15s are basically a forced meme because of the buffer tube.
    even 10.5s are light enough to shoot without needing to use the stock

  24. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    556 has no kick. man up newfag, i fire 500 magnum one handed because im not a bitch, ive never shouldered a weapon in my carrier because i kill what i look at.

  25. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    why are retards itt talking about recoil?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      because we recoil at the sight of you

  26. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    most retarded thread on PrepHole right now, this kid really thinks guns recoil down

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      You're not the brightest, are you?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Retard

  27. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    That buttstock is nowhere near his shoulder pocket.

  28. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    POG!

  29. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    PrepHole is so stupid

  30. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >He's using elbow pads

  31. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >5.56
    >recoil

  32. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    @55666359
    Nice bait.

  33. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >it's a straight-line system to minimize muzzle climb from recoil
    >there's no recoil
    >the c-clamp is a technique to control muzzle climb from recoil
    so which is it?

  34. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah armor + manlet will do that. One of the reasons why they moved towards the adjustable stocks.

  35. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Soldiers:
    caring what zogbots have to say

  36. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    have you never shot an ar before

  37. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Unless you’re in a city, or a fighting emplacement. You should be doing almost all of your shooting from the prone. That was even more emphasized when the AR was designed. If you’ll notice, being prone, undoes what you’re talking about.

  38. 2 months ago
    stoner

    [...]

    You fucking retard

    Shut your moron mouth lmao

  39. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    ar = null and void

  40. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Do you really thing the fucking bolt Tokyo Drifts inside the stock?

  41. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Some of you morons never tried to shoulder a rifle with an IBA on and it shows.

  42. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    You dumb fucking morons there is no recoil force perpendicular to the recoil axis, that's the whole point. The fact that the recoil axis is above the shooter's shoulder contact point generates a moment which rotates the barrel upward. There is no up/down recoil force, only the moment caused by the shooter not putting the recoil axis inline with their shoulder contact point.

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