So in the Resident Evil series the in lore explanation for all the zombies and monsters is that they were created as weapons for the military. My question is, what is the military application of these things?
Obviously the regular zombies are just an aoe biological weapon, drop a few cannisters of zombie virus in an area and now the enemy has to fight their own zombified populace. But what about the bigger monsters? What do you use a hunter, or a licker, or a tyrant for?
This is a question I had in RE7, where Eveline is meant to infiltrate some village and turn them all into mold monsters.
In a real war any villages are going to be evacuated, and while Eveline is powerful and the Molded would be a nuisance, it's nothing an artillery barrage wouldn't survive. Most BOW's are only a real problem because the characters only have access to small arms fire.
Why a village? Why not infect generals or presidents with it? Then you could turn even the most loyal man into a spy. Conversely if you could keep Evaline docile, then you could have nigh immortal supersoldiers fighting for you. Sure they aren't invincible, but any injuries could be healed in a matter of minutes. That combined with their strength seems useful.
The president was infected in re6. Leon had to shoot him lol.
>Why not infect generals or presidents with it?
that's the basic plot/plan of the badguy of re4
Eveline is meant to infiltrate and infect, by the time anybody realizes something is wrong, the entire city is infested with moldies.
She fucks with your mind, she spreads pretty fast, and infection is contactless. A weapon like her irl is terrifying.
Most of this isn't correct.
Lickers were mistakes and a result of the RE2 t virus strain turning zombies into lickers instead of crimson heads. They aren't meant to be made, and were only later adapted into weapon, disasterous without a control mechanism.
Hunters are basically the perfect assassins. You send them in and get them to kill highly trained soldiers, civies, whatever. They are controlled via chemicals or electric impulses. The idea is they don't fuck up infrastructure, and are cheaper to produce than regular soldiers. So you just send a cluster of them into urban areas and they can easily wipe out everybody there.
Picture dropping 20 of these fuckers into Bakhmut in Russian's occupied side. They're somewhat bullet resistant, fast, and can come from anywhere.
Picture doping them into a trench.
Tyrants are special, only on person in a million becomes one so most of them are clones of that one guy. They are functionally retarded but can be guided via satellite and control impulses by an implant. The coat both serves as a bullet proof raiment and a limiter for their regenerative abilities. They can tank rocket hits once or twice, but doing so makes them become erratic and volatile.
This results from the t virus itself being from some African plant that, if you had perfect genes, you'd turn into what Wesker is, with no adverse side effects. But to do so was so rare almost nobody managed it minus Wesker who still didn't match up.
The Tyrant is what you get when you're not perfect enough. Profound mental retardation and bullet proof skin with the need for a secondary heart to support your newfound anatomy.
They got around this with nemesis a by utilizing a plagas.
> bullet proof skin
I thought they were just really tough. Like they weren't bullet proof, but they could handle getting shot.
Sure, like Mustard Gas is terrifying.
But we stopped using Mustard Gas because it's a pretty ineffectual weapon at actually changing the pace of war, as opposed to something like 'more artillery'.
I'm of the opinion wonder weapons are stupid, and you're better served putting in the same money into more basic-bitch-tier guns. Like how in New Vegas they point out that sharecropping is a more important technology than power-armor. The NCR invested in agricultural technology and raised an army so big it neutralizes the advantage that Power Armor gives. Elijah wasted dozens of lives trying to get Helious One working which only gives the brotherhood 'glorified artillery' that the NCR already has.
Something like Eveline really only works for a terrorist organization that doesn't have the resources to field a real army in the first place, and cares more about inflicting civilian casualties than any sort of tactical or strategic victory.
Nta, but just imagine the kind of intelligence gathering the mold could enable. Captured spy doesn't want to talk? Stick him with the mold and make him a willingly tell everything he knows. Need a double agent? Get some mold infected slut to sleep with a general. Then he can infect everyone else by contact.
Yeah, that makes more sense as an application. Especially since the DLC in 8 shows that the mold retains the memories of those infected after death, so if you can find a good way to interface with that you could get intelligence even from the dead.
That said- I'd say the mold is too bad juju to mess with that and not expect it to backfire horribly.
>the mold is too bad juju
Thats never stopped the glowies before
>But we stopped using Mustard Gas because it's a pretty ineffectual weapon at actually changing the pace of war, as opposed to something like 'more artillery'.
This is a much different utilization. You can sneak her into a place like say NYC, and within a couple of weeks millions are infected and are now enemy combatants. Do you understand how devastating that kind of thing is? Semi intelligent bullet sponge enemies that can coordinate attacks in a decentralized manner with some being outright human level intelligence with even more durability and effectiveness.
A population of a war is fought by a fraction of the population, now imagine if you could turn half of the population into your own strike team.
This is why Hunters are also scary. Budget special forces that don't waste your own manpower and require little to no resources to fuck up highly experienced and trained platoons.
Racoon city and the UBCSS were essentially Umbrella field testing every prototype and early production weapon they had.
They even had these frogmen hunter hybrids later that were able to use guns and more coordinated than your standard hunter.
>So what are the actual uses for a Tyrant? What would you use a T-103 or Nemesis for?
Bodyguards, pseudo infiltration units. If you have this thing on a security detail, it's better than nearly any living soldier. superhuman reflexes and the ability to block bullets.
>They retconned that in with the remake or something?
It was always a parasitic work around from Umbrella Europe, and chunks of this was alluded to in I think Ada's campaign in RE4 originally? They simply solidified Luis Serra's role in the nemesis program this time around.
>You can sneak her into a place like say NYC, and within a couple of weeks millions are infected and are now enemy combatants.
And then America uses nuclear weapons on you because you've deployed a WMD.
>but they can't prove it was us!
Doesn't matter, in such a scenario America will simply nuke its main geopolitical opponents into the ground.
It's a terrible weapon because all you've done is provoke your enemy into using a far more devastating one on you.
Yea, but how many WMDs leave the infrastructure largely intact? Say you were China and wanted to capture Taiwan's microchip facilities, you could hit it with a zombie bomb instead of a nuke.
A dirty bomb with a half life of a few weeks would be far better than a virus that could make it back to your own country.
Biological weapons are a terrible idea when the counter is to simply get someone infected back to the originator's country.
I'm not disagreeing that bio weapons aren't playing with fire, but a dirty bomb or chemical weapon isn't going to be able to do anything to a target that is dug in and prepared, while a notional zombie hoard is going to be much better at getting at them and also deplete ammo and other stockpiles in the meantime.
> infrastructure largely intact
But we constantly see entire cities getting really badly fucked up by weeks long riots and zombie attacks
Mess in the street and a few fires isn't nearly as destroyed as post WMD or even a conventional assault, much less the relatively intact scientific facilities you keep going through. It's a matter of scale of the damage.
How do you plan to capture an island with 40 million crimson heads without blowing up infrastructure?
>how many WMDs leave the infrastructure largely intact?
neutron bomb(pulse will kill almost everything instanty) or nerve gas (usually clears in a week) if you don't care about PR. dropping an incredibly uncontrollable and virulent pathogen which results in mutants that can infect others is an incredibly stupid idea. you'd spend literal months or years on cleanup and decontamination before you get your "intact infrastructure"
that does bring up an interesting question. How do biological weapons like the T virus or the mutamycae compare to nuclear weapons in terms of utility? Would just possessing those weapons act as a similar deterrent to possessing nuclear weapons?
So what are the actual uses for a Tyrant? What would you use a T-103 or Nemesis for?
If they could be rendered completely docile then they might have a use in field logistics because they're really strong and don't go down as easily as a forklift
Watch the animated Resident Evil movie set in "Not Ukraine" where the rebels are using Lickers and other BOWs controlled by the parasite to fight the government.
During the climax of the movie the government reveals that they knew about it all along and had been mass producing Tyrants, which starts wiping the floor with all the rebels and even the Licker who can't do anything against it's durability.
>They got around this with nemesis a by utilizing a plagas.
They retconned that in with the remake or something?
I think its just his headcanon. Nemesis is a T-103 with a brain parasite, and the parasite works similarly to the plagas, but its never actually stated that it IS a plagas. The wiki says the European branch developed the Nemesis Parasite after hearing about the plagas, so that might be a retcon from 4 or one of the remakes.
it'as not headcanon, it's explicitly stated that Luis worked on the nemesis with europe team, and that he escaped his village witha sample of the virus.
umbrella was done after racoon.
The Nemesis Alpha parasite is a geneticly cloned copy of the Plagas parasite
After the fall of Racoon city Umbrella where desperate to make more Nemesis-T types, hence why they where trying to capture samples
So was that retcon done in 4 or one of the remakes?
It was never a retcon as 3 never aluded to where the parasite came from - it was full cannon since 4 (Original 4, not remake) as Nemesis was their only major use of a parasite for an umbrella BOW
Exactly why they wanted the Plagas, they had a number of remaining T-103 types and hoped that they could use them as a final get out of jail free card
It was always the intended through line to like 3 and 4
my favorite bit of nemesis lore is how one of them got too self-aware and tried to escape the umbrella facility it was in
>Hunters are basically the perfect assassins. You send them in and get them to kill highly trained soldiers, civies, whatever. They are controlled via chemicals or electric impulses. The idea is they don't fuck up infrastructure, and are cheaper to produce than regular soldiers. So you just send a cluster of them into urban areas and they can easily wipe out everybody there.
In real life twenty hunters would get wiped out by single squads of riflemen.
>Picture dropping 20 of these fuckers into Bakhmut in Russian's occupied side. They're somewhat bullet resistant, fast, and can come from anywhere.
>Picture doping them into a trench.
Wow, holy shit, we should drop in tigers and grizzly bears.
Picture dropping their weight in bombs.
Picture dropping twenty men who could blow fist sized holes in enemies at a range of five hundred paces, and didn't have to walk up to them and stab them to death.
>Wow, holy shit, we should drop in tigers and grizzly bears.
>Picture dropping their weight in bombs.
>Picture dropping twenty men who could blow fist sized holes in enemies at a range of five hundred paces, and didn't have to walk up to them and stab them to death.
This. Hunters are only good for plausible deniability and surprise against people not expecting any attack (ie normal civilians day to day). They aren’t any deadlier than a guy with a gun. M72 LAWS are basically ancient tech at this point but they only cost like $1500. Give a couple guys a crate of those and a few rifles and they can do more damage than a pack of hunters. An individual hunter has to cost more than those weapons.
You could potentially use them for attacks near or around water if the reptile part helps out. However if they are too much reptile, then they are cold blooded, which severely limits when and where they can be deployed. The upside is they could be good for some night attacks since thermals shouldn’t pick them up, at least not well.
>Picture dropping 20 of these fuckers into Bakhmut in Russian's occupied side.
lol ok so you have 20 manlet sized monsters in a war zone, you know what would happen? the same thing that happens to everything else they would get lit the fuck up
>oh but their skin is bullet proof
doesn't matter, the energy transfer from the bullet is going to turn the area around the impact into mush and fracture its bones; I mean imagine wrapping a dog in kevlar and telling it to assault a trench and actually expect it's going to survive even half a second
There is no "RE7" just some shit game with 7 in the title.
What's it like trying to actively avoid enjoying anything in life?
Extremely liberating, emotionally and financially. Try it Consoomer.
>mocks others for being a coonsumer
>uses a hollygarden gnome film quote
Ok retard
He’s right 7 was shit, total garbage and every time I attempt to play it that is just reinforced.
It's very easy to avoid enjoying the taste of shit regardless of how shocking it may seem to you
Well I don't know what those other gays' problem is, but I thought it was pretty good.
>he doesn’t like 7
Too much thinking and not enough run and gun for your adderall riddled zoomer brain? Git gud scrub.
>7
>thinking
LMAO fucking have a nice day
Welcome to the family son
>where Eveline is meant to infiltrate some village and turn them all into mold monsters.
Eveline never made it past testing stage. The org that developed them just decided to turn the whole swamp she crashed in into a observation lab.
> and are loyal to their trainers.
eeeh they are still mindless reptiles.
>Lickers are agile and tough, but blind and stupid.
Lickers are now BOWs, they are accidental mutations of the human T virus infection. They are effectively wild animals and if you see them in the wild, you have much, much bigger problems to deal with.
>They are functionally retarded
Where they? They can operate weapons, it's just rarely seen.
>The Tyrant is what you get when you're not perfect enough.
This is factually wrong.
The Progenitor either weskers you or kills you.
The T-Virus gives you the Tyrant if it turns out you were one of the wesker-candidates. Else it zombifies you.
the tyrant mutation has nothing to do with project W
but everything to do with progenitor, the basis of project W.
If you haven't noticed, T-Virus is "what if the progenitor mutated things instead of turning them to goo". The tyrants aren't artifially designed, it was cloned from a one of a kind mutation. And the Progenitor also has a specific specific one of a kind mutation that occurs in humans.
Call it Headcanon if you want, but it's by far the most solid explanation for the Tyrant's origins.
they're related philosophically in that they both derive from spencer's idea of a utopian race, but the genetic compatibility with T is completely unrelated to how the wesker children were selected. progenitor wasn't understood enough for that to be possible in the 60s when it was happening, as evidenced by the majority of the candidates simply dying. marcus developed T into a distinct strain in the late 70s and the tyrants were brand new at the time of the first game, 1998. remember too the wesker kids were selected from a wide variety of nationalities, the only specific criteria the games ever give is "parents of superior intellect". (re5 file)
ontop of that the other actual wesker we know about took it and didn't have anything happen to her at all
>ontop of that the other actual wesker we know about took it and didn't have anything happen to her at all
She turned into a weird Baba Yaga looking mutant. Albert was the only successful subject from Project Wesker. All the other Wesker children died or turned out like Alex. Albert's only negative side effect was his eyes look weird now.
no, alex mutated because of the virus she developed herself years later going out of control as she was dying. she lived for decades after getting whatever dose the wesker children got without any ill effects
>but the genetic compatibility with T is completely unrelated to how the wesker children were selected.
well, the genetic compatibility with progenitor was completely unrelated to how the wesker children were selected too. spencer had no idea what he was doing
when I said wesker like, I meant albert wesker like. Wesker project was ultimately a failure.
spender was bordering death and i believe had another progenitor derivative injected to him prior his "resurrection" via progenitor, can't remember if RE0 or other games established that
>spender
*wesker
i THINK the thing wesker took prior to his death was supposed to be the same as the other children got, but it's not exactly clear since the details of his death & resurrection have been retconned slightly a bunch over the years as they try to make new things fit.
Quick qrd on some of the monsters
Hunters are fast and agile pack hunters. Their intelligence is about on par with a particularly smart dog. They can be trained to follow commands and are loyal to their trainers. They also have very high pain tolerance, little fear, and opposable thumbs, so they can take gunshot wounds and continue fighting, and are able to open doors.
Lickers are agile and tough, but blind and stupid. They can climb walls and take gunshots easily. They also have long, pregensile tongues which they use as weapons.
Finally Tyrants, these are giant mutated humans that range anywhere from 7-10 ft in height. They have immense strength and endurance and near human intelligence. They also possess powerful regenerative abilities and are known to mutate into even bigger monsters if seriously injured. Some have been seen operate firearms and even speak individual words.
>My question is, what is the military application of these things?
Fantasy. Maybe they could be used for limited sabotage or assassinations, but these things would be goofy and vulnerable in all out open warfare.
>and near human intelligence
That's not a good sales pitch, you don't want clinical retards in war zones.
How do you keep a brat like Eveline docile anyway?
>How do you keep a brat like Eveline docile anyway?
Manipulation. If you could infect a more mature host with the mold then you could probably just pay them. We see that Lucas and Ethan remained stable after Evaline died, so its possible you just circumvent the mold hosts's control entirely.
>Manipulation
Boring answer.
They were working on that.
Part of that was trying to imprint some family motif to have a 'mommy and daddy' handler, but that backfired since Eveline developed an obsession with having a family. Hard to say if that was due to genetic programming, or cause she was an abused little girl.
But Eveline was a work in progress, she was never meant to be deployed but a freak hurricane tanked her ship while she was in transit.
>you don't want clinical retards in war zones.
Well what if you could make them on par with your average human?
>Fantasy. Maybe they could be used for limited sabotage or assassinations, but these things would be goofy and vulnerable in all out open warfare.
Humans and Armored vehicles are all vulnerable in open warfare, it's all a matter of cost. If a Tyrant is cheap enough to create and maintain, you've basically got something smaller than vehicle scale, that can fire from prone, that conventional infantry cannot effectively engage without massive attrition. If you have to expend the resources necessary to blow a Bradly or Stryker to kill something that can hide in buildings or lay down while firing accurately, you're fucked on the large scale.
Provided, of course, you can make them operate effectively, and not like dumb ogres.
Eveline is something like a nuclear option, where the only really useful thing to do with her is to have her buttfuck a city that isnt currently under attack, taking over the sewers and water mains, spreading infection everywhere, forcing the host country to drop a nuke on the city or abandon it completely.
Thing is, that's going to trigger a response as if the city was nuked.
Otherwise, you dont deploy her at all to actual battle, and just use her for psychic glowie shit like that other anon suggested.
>Provided, of course, you can make them operate effectively, and not like dumb ogres.
You really can't. They're not very bright. And they have a bad tendency of going haywire and mutating uncontrollably. It's a recurring bug.
Umbrella BOWs are only a threat when they're fighting soft targets like civilians or unprepared light infantry armed accordingly. You put these frankenstein monsters up against a normal military and they're gonna get blown to shit with machine guns, grenade launchers, mortars, air support - shit, everything.
Nemesis seemed to be intelligent, just mute. If he really is controlled by a plagas then he likely has the same intellect as any human.
>You really can't. They're not very bright.
With human direction some of them are reasonably good at following instructions.
Even alone, Mr-X understood things like doors and how to put on a Hat. Spencer's bodyguard Tyrant was able to pass for a man with gigantism in public, so he couldn't have been that retarded.
Nemesis can open equipment cases without just smashing them, and he can load and operate firearms.
Ideally your "stable" tyrant would be deployed with a squad or platoon or whatever of regular infantry who could give him instructions.
The Nemesis series are explicitly singled out for their intelligence and even the first one had empathy to the point that rebellion is a genuine threat without making them stupid on purpose. The Nemesis even has the patience to just stalk you throughout the whole game.
There's a reason I only mentioned him as part of a list, you know.
>If you have to expend the resources necessary to blow a Bradly or Stryker to kill something
A .50 would kill a tyrant. They are 8-10ft tall and made of flesh, not steel or other armor. A GPMG would kill one too without much trouble.
Think what would kill a polar bear, not what would kill a APC.
>A .50 would kill a tyrant. They are 8-10ft tall and made of flesh
5.56 kills tyrants.
Oh I agree
>you don't want clinical retards in war zones.
Marines seem to do alright
>How do you keep a brat like Eveline docile anyway?
Same method as always, a zombie brat is just a brat for whom you need to wear a rubber
You could had dropped 3 of these in Bakhmut at 3am and told them to hunt the Wagner leadership and Ukraine would had won the war
They are good assassins not battlefield weapons
During the timeframe of Resident Evil 2 there was like 6 separate Tyrants working in Raccoon City. We only see a couple of them, but there are several running around.
They were there to hunt down specific targets that were considered either particulary resourceful/dangerous (like the STARS members) or vital for city functions (like Mayors, chiefs of city emergincy services etc)
It was essentially first large-scale field test for them to collect combat data.
Mr. X was there to wipe out the police. The 5 others got killed by Delta while trying to prevent deployment of the prototype railgun.
>so they can take gunshot wounds and continue fighting
>take gunshots easily
> They also possess powerful regenerative abilities and are known to mutate into even bigger monsters if seriously injured.
I realize this is all lore but it’s also bullshit. I don’t care how tough something is, taking an entire pistol mag will put it down. Shit in RE3R the hunters could take more than an entire AR mag which is laughable. That would kill an elephant.
Tyrants regenerating and mutating is even more absurd because there is no source for the energy used to do that. If they kept eating people nonstop then maybe. But you can’t multiply in size without consuming or absorbing biomass in at least equal size.
>inb4 quit hating fun
I love the RE series and have played the shit out of it. If were having a “realistic” discussion about how they are used then we can’t use game stuff that’s physically impossible.
The series has many elements that are obviously supernatural, it just pretends they're not.
Supernatural zombies are always better anyway. Where's my Return of the Living Dead game. Where's my Dead Alive / Braindead game.
>Where's my Return of the Living Dead game
How would that work? Those guys seem like they're BS invincible on top of being nearly as smart and fast as a normal human. I guess you could pull a Dead Space and cut off their limbs to make them combat incapable or pulp them outright with heavy weaponry.
>Mod left for dead
>it's all witches
Here's your game bro.
I mean, pretty much every Umbrella BOW we encounter in the OG trilogy were experimental prototypes that got accidently released. Nemesis and Mr. X being the two finished products the company actually felt confident in using intentionally. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think Umbrella's endgame was perfecting humans and bio weapons were just a convenient side effect of their research.
the thing with RE lore is that its 20+ years of different writers throwing different explanations and justifications onto the pile. iirc Iwao's original idea for Hunters was that they were smart enough to understand and follow simple orders like the tyrants but that never really came through in the game.
Yeah, it's sorta there as subtext in earlier ones but 5 made it explicit, it was all just a byproduct of Spencer's real goal of making superhuman ubermensch to be the new humanity.
>BOW's
I thought that was just an excuse/funding way for Ashford and Burkin to do their human evolution eugenics projects.
The board members funding it didn't know that, and niether did the prospective clients.
Umbrella had elements that wanted to become gods aming men, but most of the people involved with the company just wanted money.
>they didn't know
Yeah that's why they framed it as a way to create weapons, because creating horrific biological weapons is far more palatable than improving the human condition.
Im not a geneticist but the problem with hacking humans like this is that more can go wrong than well. The mutations work by virtue of deus ex machina and the whole parasite thing makes little sense with how damaging it is.
Why does a flower have a virus that can cause mutations?
That's a good question, plants would typically have plant viruses, not animal viruses.
The crossover shit is the most deadly though, cause it comes out of complete left-field to a species biology.
>Why does a flower have a virus that can cause mutations?
>The crossover shit is the most deadly though, cause it comes out of complete left-field to a species biology.
Easy answer to first question. The progenitor virus was mostly lethal and mutated creatures out of control, creating creatures that would harm themselves and others (organic fertilizer). It lived on as a defense mechanism, until humans figured out how to fuck around with it, so the mutants didn't die shortly after mutation.
No answer to how it violates physics, and I don't expect Capcom to come up with anything this sensible.
Trust the science chud
Nature is weird though. Doxorubicin is a chemo drug, it was developed from soil bacteria found in the 1950's outside a 13th century castle in Italy.
Weird shit from a flower kinda makes sense.
the answer: memes
the explanation: it was basically a super fuck-off virus so they don't get predated.
Resident Evil is actually just human fucking with ancient primordial biological fuckery like the mold and whatever birthed the flowers.
The mold was a space rock I thought
Never stated.
As far as we know it's just some super super ancient mushroom/fungus with extreme manipulation/pheromones/mutation capacities.
Not that much different than the progenitor flower. Also, fungus and parasites irl already can do some scary shit to some degree.
Also Plagas who are the third source, and are just spoopy brain worm.
The G-virus is also technicly a horror born from whatever the fuck they did to Lisa.
True, forgot to mention the parasites.
But they used T on Lisa so G is kind of a T derivative.
Most alphabetic virus are T derivative anyway T, G, C , A ( A being the one the most further away from source material). Later ones being made using the umbrella's papers on T and doing further r&d
>just spoopy brain worm
The plazas are existentially terrifying as they rob you of free will. Once they mature you will obey whatever command the master plaga issues without question.
goes all the way back to the first game even
>CHE: Is the Tyrant Virus an RNA virus in your original setting?
>Kenichi Iwao: That's correct. I based it on the concept of gene transfer using retro-viral vectors. It was supposed to be an ideal virus that could design creatures as one wished.
>CHE: How did you decide on a virus as the source of the biohazard?
>Kenichi Iwao: There's this thing called the 'Theory of Evolution through Viruses' that was introduced by a Japanese medical researcher. In short, it's the idea that viral infection promoted the evolution of living creatures. I read it, thought it interesting and incorporated it into my work. Nowadays it's been discredited though...
I like to think the further RE goes, it's possible there is some massive parasite beneath the Earth or something as the source of most of the threats
>Implying there is only one
There is ancient behemot down here, sleeping since age immemorials, the Plagas, the divine flowers, the mold are just the first.
Thankfully slapping some red paint on a rocket is the solution to most of them.
So someone read the tiamat info and decided to have the house of the abyss canonized as an Umbrella source of biotech? A little too real.
It's more poking fun at the fact that in RE there's all this horrible shit just lying in the dirt and evil biologists just keep falling dick first into them.
I think zombies were an unfortunate byproduct of the experimentation.
What they really wanted was super soldiers, but they always got mostly shoddy results with that.
Correct in the first couple games. Other games found other excuses for zombies.
The first game wasn't too out there. If you go by the slideshow in the lab, the only things Umbrella considered as actual weapons were the guard dogs, the Hunters (improved guard dogs), the sharks (water guard dogs), and a crappy half finished Tyrant. Everything else was just an accidental byproduct or some kind of escaped test specimen. The virus itself wasn't even treated as a weapon. It was more like an extremely hazardous genetic engineering tool. Of course it just got more outlandish with every sequel and piece of related media.
Yeah
The BOWs are useless, especially the big ones like Nemesis. They can soak small fire rounds but that's about it, their only redeming quality.
They would get eliminated very fast in the battlefield, even by simple infantry, not to mention what would happen if heavier weapons are used there is a movie in which they got fucked easily be A10s and BMPs
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Mold>Plagas>Progenitor Virus Derivatives; I'm ranking these based on how controllable the results/products are and then potency. Mold has the best combination of pure power in the mutations and control over them, Plagas have less weird powers and control but are still very strong, and then the Progenitor Virus derivatives are very strong but provide shit control over the mutations, leading to random crap like the Tyrants going haywire due to damage.
> the regular zombies are just an aoe biological weapon, drop a few cannisters of zombie virus in an area and now the enemy has to fight their own zombified populace.
Realistically Zombies like in resident evil are a non issue. They're slow and dumb, meaning it would be trivially easy to output enough lead and shrapnel to pound them all into fertilizer even if no one was aiming for the head. To make dangerous Zombies they need some kind of supernatural advantage, like in Return of the living dead, or some kind of arbitrary "infect 99% of the population with gas" effect that makes the whole idea of it being a zombie apocalypse meaningless.
Resident Evil Zombies are unironically only dangerous because the T-Virus (depending on the mood of the writer at that second), is either harmless to get sprayed with by the bucketful in your unprotected mouth and eyes, or so lethal that if you kill a zombie on the grass it's blood will seep through the ground into the water table and kill everyone in a city while every insect that comes in contact with it turns into a six foot armored Sasquatch.
The hunters really dont have a good use case as they are, but if you could spend a few more billion dollars working out the problems (good luck, after three decades they still haven't gotten them into decent condition) they could be useful. One type was amphibious, that could be useful for stealthy ops. One could vomit acid, that could be useful for sabotage. One was smart enough to follow relayed instructions via a headset. One was Invisible but even more retarded than usual. If you could combine some of these traits, even just "follow instructions" and any of the other ones, you might have something worth while. Maybe give them some lightweight armor mission permitting, UHMWPE plates are neutrally buoyant.
As it stands, hunters aren't good for much. Theres little to nothing that they can do that a sneaky guy with a gun couldn't do better and more consistently.
>Theres little to nothing that they can do that a sneaky guy with a gun couldn't do better and more consistently.
Yea, but when a guy with a gun dies, it's bad press. When a Hunter dies, no one gives a fuck for the same reason we don't give a fuck about drones getting killed right now. Being able to do something almost as good as a human while being ethically disposable is a huge advantage.
Virus C and virus A ( used around 2011 and 2012 in Resident Evil timelines ) are Airborne and resulted in massive contaminations in very large cities.
By the way, After the fall of umbrella, most of the time any virus is used willi'gly in Resident Evil canon media, it's solely for terrorists purpose or sect stuff ( 4 and 8 ). Exceptions being trycell tests. Rather than for replacing a regular military option . Mostly because thèse things are way more valuable and usedull for terrorists than for regular military or policing actions.
Also in others strange things related to Resident Evil media, they had a floating Solar powered city by the coast of spain that had to get "nuked" after the équivalent of the bases nationnalists floaded it with hunters, on live TV in 2003 and no one ever mentions it outside of Resident Evil révélation.
And by 2012 even New York and Washington has had small cases infections problems and others cities in the us outside of racoon and yet the président talking about them nuking a city ( racoon ) or the antartica because of BOWs is Seen as something they should never talk about.
iirc the stuff they wanted covered up from raccoon was the fact that the US was aware of the research and was a prospective client.
True.
That's also the plot of thé CG movie Dégénération.
Also if Dégénération is canon, and apparently the cg movies all are, Thérèse a vaccin for T, since 2004/5, another reason why T almost never get used after the first fews games and révélation 1.
What the fuck is wrong with your phone
The autocorrector is in french.
Virus C was basically the be-all-end-all of bioterrorism
>2 stage virus with plaga carriers
>first stage turns you into an intelligent supersoldier mutant that regenerates fast enough to burn flesh
>activation puts you in a chrysalis
>second stage has selected strains that turn you into a super mutant or a carrier for a modified airborne T-virus can start a biozahard event all on it's own
>did I mention C-virus zombies undergo V-ACT?
>oh and it has specially engineered strains that give you literal superpowers
Not only it was overengineered to all hell, they also isolated the zombie variant and put it inside missiles to make mcnukes.
>A-Virus
remember the movies are they own canon btw
The CG movies are canon with the games, it's the live action ones that aren't.
>The CG movies are canon with the games
legit played the whole series and never saw them referenced, at all
Claire being part of Terrasave was introduced in Degeneration and carried into the games, but by and large they're like a lot of little things in RE where they're technically canon but self-contained so they don't have to be written around in other projects.
Terrasave and others things liké that are canon but never références outside of the révélations videogames and the CG movies.
Same with us Backed organisation that sas doing the same thing as BSAA and got created because of the footage of those delta fucking up tyrants in RE 3 but got dismanteled in RE Révélation 1. Never mentionned anywere else because it happened in 2005 in game universe and the numered games have a gap between 2004 and 2009.
Chris new team at the bsaa technicaly got introduced in 2017 movie Vendetta.
no in true convoluted re style they introduced his team in vendetta and then gave him a new totally different team with a different name in 8
Yeah, most of them die un vendetta, now that you mention it.
And it happens in 2011.
Thé in 2012/13 he has his antic material sniper sidekick that die in RE 6.
And then New team by 2017 and décidés to work with Blues Umbrella too.
I think the girl and pilot from vendetta survived si maybe they are in the New team.
Other funny thing with the cg movies, Léon is présented as an alcoholic getting dragged out if vacations every single times.
the A virus was kind of retarded since zombies could be cured.
>or a licker
Licker is the same problem as the hunter, it isnt bullet proof, it's difficult to control, and it's weapons are inferior to rifles and grenades.
>a tyrant
This is the only thing that's really useful, and it could be very useful. Tyrants, and there are various scales of them, can all at least heft larger than infantry size loads, such as weapons and armor, but because of the way they're shaped, they can take cover in much smaller areas (especially by going prone) than a vehicle with an equivalently amount of weapons or armor. You could give a Tyrant an infantry scale weapon (SAW, Grenade launcher, whatever) with an enormous ammunition supply that he could share with human squad mates, or you could give him a larger than infantry weapon (HMG, etc etc), he could carry anti tank missiles, pull duty as a mule or miniature logistics vehicle, he'd be functionally immune to anti personnel mines and small arms, Tyrants, if you could produce them cheaply, could create such difficulties for your enemy that while individually no more invincible than a light armored vehicle, their collective presence would make engaging you on equal terms functionally impossible.
What does a Tyrant-grade MRE look like? And can it be put out onto a tray?
>And can it be put out onto a tray?
No, but they can put it into a cube.
Because they're so much stronger than regular flesh and bone, and because they're so stoic, and because their metabolism seems "supernaturally" robust, their MREs would probably most closely resemble a masonry brick in appearance, taste, and potentially hardness.
So a 1x2x4 foot sized brick of beef similar to that 1902 beef ration Steve ate. Or a giant unholy meat obelisk...
>he'd be functionally immune to anti personnel mines and small arms
> no more invincible than a light armored vehicle
Yeah no. Game mechanics isn’t real life. They can certainly take more punishment than a normal person but they aren’t shrugging off explosives. Just because a grenade in game doesn’t kill mr x or nemesis doesn’t mean it wouldn’t in real life. Leon and Jill tank those too. Anything made of flesh of blood is getting shredded by a LMG.
That said, I agree they could be super useful if they were made semi cheaply. Even at $1M a piece that’s worth it. You could drop at least one or two in each squad and immediately improve them.
I always wished they'd done more with combined human/BOW units. Survivor had what were essentially monkeys with MP5s controlled by a human commander, used as a cleanup crew. I think there's an interesting sort of dynamic there- a full squad of soldiers doesn't have that much to fear from a Hunter if it doesn't get the drop on them, but being pinned down by accurate suppressing fire while the Hunter gets closer and closer to your trench is another matter. You could have the RE5 Reapers acting as smoke grenades on crack, obscuring the movements of the squad they're attached to as they barrel towards enemy positions.
I think that's the limitation of the T-virus. Usually when introduced to humans it drastically reduces intelligence. The big advantage of human soldiers is that they are smart and capable of adapting to new situations and just ...winging it, if needed.
Most of BOW's are too dumb to do that. Even Tyrants which are the smartest of the lot are very single-minded and straightforward in the problem solving ability. Very few human subjects ever survive the mutation with their intelligence intact, and cost of creating them is (I believe) too high for mass production.
The T-103s are all modified clones of the original RE-1 Tyrant. They keep showing up in the games even twenty years later, so clealry they're cheap enough to produce.
>Most of BOW's are too dumb to do that. Even Tyrants which are the smartest of the lot are very single-minded and straightforward in the problem solving ability. Very few human subjects ever survive the mutation with their intelligence intact, and cost of creating them is (I believe) too high for mass production.
they are not, they are functionally retarded. The Hunters are the smartest, and you can potentially grow them in a vat, reach maturity relatively quickly and are born with their combat instincts/procedures ingrained.
This is why they're dangerous. Tyrants only work with a control chip and only as bodyguards or discrete hitman units in a chaotic situation. Basically only in the context of the disaster that was Racoon.
BOWs are only a threat when they're fighting soft targets like civilians or unprepared light infantry armed accordingly. You put these frankenstein monsters up against a normal military and they're gonna get blown to shit with machine guns, grenade launchers, mortars, air support - shit, everything.
The point of UBCS is that they were all trained and highly skilled mercenaries. Even with advanced tactics and gear, the volume of dangerous BOWs fucked them all up. If you get bit you're now an enemy combatant, if you drink contaminated water or get contaminants on you, you are now an enemy combatant, civillians are now all potential enemy combatants you have to try to evac, etc.
The point of the BOW offshoots not being used for the super soldier programs were to be inexpensive frontline troops, like hunters. Their issue was they weren't long range troops, which they eventually developed an offshoot hybrid for in the gun survivor series.
The power of BOWs comes from their ease of use in urban areas and the ability to rapidly replace front-line losses. If you can sneak even a small t virus carrier, into an enemy territory you can cripple them.
>inexpensive frontline troops, like hunters.
A 200 pound or 300 pound animal that cannot operate a firearm is not worth the expenditure in calories or fuel it takes to deliver to the front lines.
>A 200 pound or 300 pound animal that cannot operate a firearm is not worth the expenditure in calories or fuel it takes to deliver to the front lines.
It's an animal that has equivilent training of moderate to upper level combat troops, that you
1. Don't need to pay to train
2. Can feed it dirt cheap farm food or just feed it enemy soldiers
3. Can easily make large batches of them to replace soldiers in weeks versus taking months to a year to train
4. You don't have to pay them, or any family they have if they die
5. Don't need VA benefits
6. Can be used to deplete enemy forces of skilled units without losing your own intelligent soldiers
7. Can be shipped to any area with no issues or worry about how they're being transported since they're so easy to replace
From a logistical and monetary standpoint, after the initial cost is worked out, they're incredibly ergonomic. It's like having a free PLA army but more competent and willing to live off as much garbage but with more intelligence
>It's an animal that has equivilent training of moderate to upper level combat troops,
No it isn't.
>Can feed it dirt cheap farm food or just feed it enemy soldiers
It's not worth shipping it the weight of food it would need and it's never going to kill enough enemy soldiers to feed itself.
>Can be used to deplete enemy forces of skilled units without losing your own intelligent soldiers
Wrong. Outside of make believe land, you'd lose twenty of these walking money sinks for every enemy soldier they killed.
You know what else is stealthy and causes attrition? A sniper.
Eh. saltwater crocodiles.
Yeah, saltwater crocodiles get raped by men with rifles.
You know the stories about Gustav being bulletproof are African myths, right?
Gustav?
Never heard of him. I was thinking of vietnam the soldiers had nothing but fear for them.
Yeah and in Korea soldiers insisted that .30 carbine couldn't penetrate heavy winter clothing.
I don't even understand what you are trying to imply here. Whats with this disrespect to an intelligent predator during a time when they were abundant?
I'm saying that the tall tales of soldiers know no bounds.
You're the one who brought up crocodiles as if that was some kind of counter point to the fact that melee infantry that are not bullet proof have no place in a modern conflict.
Counterpoint? What? I only offhandedly mentioned them in passing because that is the only actual comparable animal I know that actively preys on humans and did actually have official reports of attacking soldiers on both sides in a war. Pull your head out of your ass.
>I only offhandedly mentioned them in passing because that is the only actual comparable animal I know that actively preys on humans
Which they do a shitty job of
>and did actually have official reports of attacking soldiers on both sides in a war.
This is completely meaningless
>Pull your head out of your ass.
You first. You're the one who thinks crocodiles can beat bullets. Being able to kill some people doesn't mean it wins against ALL people.
Different anon btw
>You're the one who thinks crocodiles can beat bullets.
I did?
Yes and quit being obtuse. You know what you implied. Just own it.
I implied they'd be like saltwater crocodiles in vietnam, meaning soldiers would just nope right going anywhere near them if possible and just go the long way. In no way did I ever imply they were bullet proof, or agree with that other anon about hunters being bullet proof.
>don’t want to walk into water with crocodiles
>this means hunters aren’t a dogshit weapon
Ok whatever you say
They are good when you can basically make the whole area filled to the brim with them. Considering how good Umbrella maximized energy efficiency with their secret witchcraft biology voodoo, the only reason they don't do that is because their company policy is "pharmaceuticals until we can weaponize zombie superman".
Something only dangerous when you walk into their habitat and don't notice them. On land they are easily avoided. Even in the water you can still shoot them.
>nothing but fear for them.
Being afraid of something doesn't mean it's an effective strategy to fight a war. Humans got to the top of the food chain with worse weapons against scarier beasts. We're so far removed from the food chain and have been for so long people forget how deadly guns are to animals.
>No it isn't.
yes it is.
>It's not worth shipping it the weight of food it would need and it's never going to kill enough enemy soldiers to feed itself.
They can eat enemy soldiers and they already eat the same or less than a regular human being they're shorter and more compact. Next.
>Wrong. Outside of make believe land, you'd lose twenty of these walking money sinks for every enemy soldier they killed.
They already slaughter more people than a singular soldier and can traverse terrain much quicker than any soldier can.
>You know what else is stealthy and causes attrition? A sniper.
lol
>No they don't. Even if they do, it doesn't matter how trained they are when their weapons are so inferior to a gun.
They do. It's established. Fucking autists.
>muh ineffective
they are, next.
>muh bombs!
more expensive and you don't use those everywhere, next.
>muh combined arms!
again, it's meant to be cheap alternatives to soldiers, and they're very good at being that. This is only one aspect of BOWS.
Arguing with your people is always retarded.
>Arguing with your people is always retarded.
I agree because you are saying
>nuh uh I’m right because I say so
You aren’t adding anything
> They do. It's established.
Really? Where? Show me. Because per the games (where they can be bullet sponges), groups of them are handled by a single person. This is in confined areas which even play to the hunters strengths. In reality they wouldn’t be bullet sponges either.
> >muh ineffective
>they are, next.
How? Explain.
> >muh bombs!
>more expensive
Absolutely false. Explosives are cheap as shit. Cloning and raising an animal isn’t cheaper than a bomb.
>and you don't use those everywhere
Where in a war could you not use a bomb, but could use hunters AND could deploy them?
> it's meant to be cheap alternatives to soldiers, and they're very good at being that
Except they can easily be killed by a single soldier. Let alone groups. You can’t dismiss combined arms because soldiers have combined arms and soldiers allow for their use. Tanks and artillery and IFVs are fairly meaningless if they are supported by hunters.
Why are you ignoring that two shots from a shotgun kills them? Why didn’t you answer this?
>if I put mind control chips in black bears could I beat an army with an army of black bears?
>yes it is.
If it cant operate military vehicles or firearms, it doesn't have "equivalent training" you fucking fag.
>They can eat enemy soldiers
And considering you'd need twenty of them per enemy soldier that doesn't help. They wouldn't be worth the food you'd have to give them to get them from the lab to the front line, let ALONE the food to sustain them once they got there.
>They already slaughter more people than a singular soldier and can traverse terrain much quicker than any soldier can.
Shitty japanese horror game soldiers. Real world soldiers would buttfuck Hunters, Lickers, Zombies etc like the actual game protagonists do.
Zombies would be useless but Lickers would have effective use in urban combat where they can act as ambush predators especially in low light conditions where Thermal and NVGs won't be that useful.
BOWs would have their use but they're effectively only as Urban combat weapons out in a field, they die to artillery and firepower.
Bullets are much better at ambushing people than teeth and claws.
>Zombies would be useless but Lickers would have effective use in urban combat where they can act as ambush predators
They could because they can climb up walls and through windows. No one would expect them to come through an upper level on most buildings. The issue is they are mindless animals and you can’t control them. There is no way to effectively deploy them. And once they are spotted it’s quickly killed with bullets
But what if you could control the lickers?
Man, you almost feel bad for the lickers here, little dudes had no chance.
Yeah but none of us have perfect genes like Leon so that’s not possible
>Zombies would be useless
if you have zombies you have a T-virus biohazard ongoing. The zombies are the least of your problems, literally every animal in the area is about to turn into a monster.
>They already slaughter more people than a singular soldier
Show me any examples of this
>It's an animal that has equivilent training of moderate to upper level combat troops
No they don't. Even if they do, it doesn't matter how trained they are when their weapons are so inferior to a gun. You can have the world's best knifefighter attack me. Unless he gets the drop on me I still win with just a carry pistol. Most war zones aren't in spots where you easily get the drop on people in melee range.
>1. Don't need to pay to train
True, but doesn't matter if they aren't effective.
>2. Can feed it dirt cheap farm food
What is this "cheap farm food"? What are they eating? Is someone feeding them? Who is feeding and protecting the people feeding the hunters?
>just feed it enemy soldiers
Your main adversary and biggest threat being your main food source isn't smart. I concede it's viable *if they can kill enemy soldiers, but they can't do that effectively.
>3. Can easily make large batches of them to replace soldiers in weeks versus taking months to a year to train
>4. You don't have to pay them, or any family they have if they die
>5. Don't need VA benefits
Yes. Artillery and bombs don't need those either.
>6. Can be used to deplete enemy forces of skilled units without losing your own intelligent soldiers
How? How does a pack of animals get through automatic weapons, explosives, and into or through vehicles? The 1st hunter encounter has Chris killing one with 2 shots from a shotgun?
Explain how 10 or even 50 gets through an MG nest and a couple people? It would be like the opening to Tremors 3.
>7. Can be shipped to any area with no issues or worry about how they're being transported since they're so easy to replace
So can bombs
>they're incredibly ergonomic
No they aren't because they don't kill armed men well. If I put mind control chips in black bears could I beat an army with an army of black bears? Of course not. That's essentially what you're suggesting.
Basically all of UBCS in games hot fucked by one BOW in RE2, being Birkin with the G. Because they were too close and unprepared when it mutated.
Only survivor made it out of the sewers and racoon in a matters of minutes only armed with what weapons hé had on him. So it kind of prove the other Anon point.
However in the CGI movie of this year, a group of less strained umbrella mercenaires got wiped in 20 minutes guarding a waypoint, but they were umprepared and didn't knes they were facing zombies and that they had to avoir getting bitten.
On that last point, the game characters in game Can shrug off bites by eating plants but anyone else will just get infected. And those sames protagonists in CGI movies or others media will consider bites as fatal even tho games have them getting bitten ( outside of cinematics during gameplay)
By RE6 and past, the protag got exposed to so much shit I would not be surprised if their DNA looked a mess that no virus want to get close to.
Honestly I think this would help preserve the horror feel far better than doing what RE5/6 did with giving the zombies guns. The Javo or whatever in 6 were an interesting concept with mutating differently based on where you hit them, but held back by ultimately just being soldier dudes with guns and knives who also happen to grow weird flesh parts.
It'd probably make for a neat gameplay gimmick, too- you take out the commander and the BOWs go feral and become less coordinated with each other, but also more bloodthirsty.
for me, it's GOLEMs
Qrd?
Parasite Eve 2 was written and directed by the guy who wrote Resident Evil 1 and has a bunch of remixed concepts from his ideas for a RE sequel. The GOLEM units are basically how he envisioned perfected and mass produced military Tyrants.
Oh yeah and to add to this, he didn't have quite the same goofy anime sensibilities as the people who took over writing RE games. In PE2, a bunch of Golems with fancy lightsabers get absolutely dabbed on by Marines in a really cool cutscene. It's one of the more realistic things I've seen in a horror game.
So how are they utilized in that game (aside from re-enacting order 66 five years before it got put on screen)?
If I remember the game right, those dudes that got shredded are low level models basically equipped as game wardens for a Jurassic Park type place full of genetic abominations. I'm not sure why they got thrown into the meat grinder like that. There's much tougher, better equipped models though. You fight one multiple times over the course of the game that carries on conversations and has his own motives, so they're apparently not all just dumb meat puppets either.
IIRC the mass zerg rush was mostly to try and buy time for the Eve-clone-cocoon to finish maturing so it could do a repeat of 1 and mass-convert people into monsters.
I think PE would've been a better franchise than RE if they'd gone full in but it was always a niche thing to Square, then they lost the rights and decided to basically nuke the franchise with Third Birthday.
I will never not be mad.
In the actual lore BOWs were not designed with military applications in mind. They are a biproduct of the real research which is eugenics. Their military applications is something Umbrella comes up with to make money.
Tyrants would have real military applications IRL considering they are 4 meter tall super soldiers.
>IRL considering they are 4 meter tall super soldiers.
With the IQ that makes subsaharan Africans look intelligent. Tyrants are smart compared to the zombies. They are retarded compared to even stupid people.
I do think there is some application for them in a military use like others have suggested, but they have some very specific use cases.
Well only RE5, 6 and i think the second CG movie has them using BOW as weapons of war in amy official capacity and the rest of the games end up being about someone going to somewhere to investigate or happen to be where an incident happens.
Actual cases of organized armed forces in direct combat against BOW not really well explored yet, RE8 chris segment and operation raccon city just have you curbstomping BOW because you are well armed to handle the threat compared to being stuck in a ship with a pistol and no real backup
The BOWs would have never worked and not a single military would want one or even get away with using it in an actual conflict. They are too expensive, too unstable, and too much of a threat to your own forces. Umbrella would still be around and making bank if they just stuck to pharmaceuticals.
I'm not 100% caught up with the resident evil series lore, but how did the umbrella corporation (or whomever is in charge of the bio stuff) stay open? Like how did they ever recruit new employees if the old ones died, how were they not raided and killed by the government, and who would they even sell their weapons to? Or am I over thinking all of this? I've seen most of the movies and played some of the games so I think I kinda understand the universe. It just kinda bugs me since it seems like a massive plot hole.
The government was in support of them until they started doing things like attacking their own towns. Not exactly conductive to a good business relationship when you send the message that you are more then happy to throw your supporter under the bus. As far as "who would buy it" the Arabs would and did so now towns in the bumfuckistans are all infested with muscle maxxed insectoid zombie monsters.
>but how did the umbrella corporation (or whomever is in charge of the bio stuff) stay open?
by not having any major public incidents until raccoon, after raccoon it was only a matter of time. keep in mind, in the games (idk about the movies) the bioweapon division was a tiny secret project relative to their global operations as a pharma company, with most of the executives being personally groomed and selected.
>who would they even sell their weapons to?
the US was the main client they were aiming at but presumably the european branch was hoping for deals with those countries too.
nah it only started leaking out into the 3rd world post-umbrella when stuff shows up on the black market and there's a bunch of umbrella remnants trying to make a go of it.
>but how did the umbrella corporation (or whomever is in charge of the bio stuff) stay open?
they didn't. at first it was because the us goverment was complicit in their activities. the moment the racoon city outbreak happened umbrella got wrecked pretty quick.
>Like how did they ever recruit new employees
umbrella was still a very successful pharma company. not all of their employees were stationed in the evil bio labs
>how were they not raided and killed by the government
they were.
>who would they even sell their weapons to?
the us goverment
>It just kinda bugs me since it seems like a massive plot hole.
those were all explained though not all of them in the games and movies(cgi ones) the live action milla ones aren't canon
honestly that's a plot hole i'm willing to drop considering most countries bent over backwards and let a pharmaceutical corporation test experimental gene therapy on their population
the bioweapon stuff never made sense though
They didn't. They got sued to shit, had their stock devalued, and went under. Any employee that didn't go underground or get snatched by the government most likely got blacklisted from anything regarding biology, organic chemistry, or whatever. Then, two decades later, a PMC was formed using the name, logo, and some former employees, and they dedicate themselves to help clean up the mess their rogue former colleagues and employers made.
>Then, two decades later, a PMC was formed using the name, logo, and some former employees, and they dedicate themselves to help clean up the mess their rogue former colleagues and employers made.
Blue Umbrella is for all intents and purposes the UBCS. These guys were a paramilitary group for sure, but they wanted to save people in Raccoon City. Being used as fodder for a weapons test that is skewed against them on purpose is just one of the tragedies they faced that day.
I mean realistcally you're giving the tyrant guns. And having a 10 foot tall muscle beast carry around 120mm munitions is pretty advantageous. It's like a counter battery wet dream. Bet it wouldn't ping on shit either.
Super attack dogs that are vaguely mine resistant would also just tear many defensive positions apart.
And jeez we've seen in the Ukraine war you don't even need to give people guns to have them hold a trench for a day or two. Zombies would be perfect trench sitters. Attach a suicide vest to them or something. Brutal
>outbreak happens
>become zombie
>eat your family and friends
>government releases cure
>wake up
>belly is full of your buddies and the non virus related injuries you have are still there
vendetta was such a shit show
For me it's Leon on the highway with the dogs.
Or that Guy having boxes with his family and Friends, how can he infects people that got reaper'ed to pieces.
iirc hunters were the most popular product line along with lickers and cerberus. they were mostly used by terrorist organizations as even tyrants could be handled by most military units as long as they were informed about them and were prepared. just remember that room full of tyrants that got btfo by a squad of delta force in re3
>just remember that room full of tyrants that got btfo by a squad of delta force in re3
Literally how the fuck does that happen.
Tyrants are supposed to be bulletproof, and even if they're not they're so strong they should be able to wear as much armor as a fucking BMP.
because they dropped in with a bunch of AT and a fucking railgun on top of that.
to be fair they had an experimental rail gun. it's the one you use to shoot nemesis. but still it's like 5 guys vs several tyrants
the delta force didn't use the experimental rail gun
>Tyrants are supposed to be bulletproof,
Maybe against pistols
>and even if they're not they're so strong they should be able to wear as much armor as a fucking BMP.
moron they are 8-10' tall and weigh a couple hundred pounds. You could put enough armor on them to resist rifle rounds for awhile. They would never be able to carry enough to stop explosives or HMGs
Even assuming you realistically could armor a Tyrant up like an IFV, you could still smoke one with a single M72.
It'll work better on her without a rubber. Besides, I don't think she's really a zombie in any sense.
Evil Dead style, separate the limbs until they can't really do anything. Realistically though, the tactical nuke should have sterilized the location from Trioxin 2-4-5, and the sequel would have to have operated on that logic because the world didn't end (though one can argue about how canon the sequel is).
The sequel also showed high voltage working, up to you if you'd want to feature that.
>It'll work better on her without a rubber. Besides, I don't think she's really a zombie in any sense.
Bro, you'll get mold on your dick. You don't want moldy dick.
It'll be too late for me after giving her a kiss with tongue anyway, I'm sacrificing myself so that others may live, I'm doing it for my squad.
>Even assuming you realistically could armor a Tyrant up like an IFV, you could still smoke one with a single M72.
If you have to deploy anti armor assets to fight something a fraction of the size of any armored vehicle, that can take cover like infantry, you're already loosing.
You can't armor a 800-1000lb tyrant up like an IFV. Even a M113 weighs 13.5 tons, a BMP-1 weighs 14.5. Yes a lot of that weight in the vehicle, ammo, guns, etc and not armor but you'd still need thousands of pounds of armor to cover a tyrant.
Even if he's protected enough to stop full caliber rifle rounds, grenades and mines still work. HMGs still work.
Or I can just hit him repeatedly with a heavy machinegun, grenade machinegun, lure him towards an anti tank mine, have an IFV or chopper hammer him with their chaingun, etc, etc. It's besides the point though because you're not decking that motherfucker out like he's a BMP anyway, and we have established that these guys are fucking stupid.
Look at McNamara's Morons, he had hundreds of thousands of retards, low functioning autists, and other vulnerable adults dragged into Vietnam to get more bodies, and they got wasted in combat at like 35 times the normal rate. You can afford that by dredging up various losers from the bottom of society, but can you afford those kinds of losses with engineered super soldiers? Sure, they'll tolerate more punishment than a low functioning autist human, but it's not like the enemy is gonna struggle to identify these gigamorons so they can react accordingly.
I got the impression the Mr. X in the remake of 2 was arrogant instead of being too stupid. One example being if you actually shoot his hat off he effectively ditches the "walk slowly" strategy and just runs you down and kills you right there. This signals to me his vanity and that Mr. X wasn't trying very hard to kill you.
Well you can easily say that Nemesis was sadistic, what with how many opportunities it had to finish Jill off in the remake. So you're probably right.
It's not as unlikely as you think. Just because Tyrants dont tire out like giant humans would doesn't mean their instinct wouldn't be to conserve energy.
>Or I can just hit him repeatedly with a heavy machinegun, grenade machinegun, lure him towards an anti tank mine, have an IFV or chopper hammer him with their chaingun, etc, etc.
Yes, and you'd be losing.
If you have to engage smaller than vehicle scale targets with vehicle scale weaponry, you're losing. You're killing the tyrants and you're still losing. Wow, crazy how combat works, you dont actually have to have an invincible gundam ace zooming around never getting hit, you just have to make basic engagements untenable for the enemy in terms of cost.
You're taking fire all this time, and you're not going to "lure" a tyrant supported by infantry anywhere reliably.
> It's besides the point though because you're not decking that motherfucker out like he's a BMP anyway
Light armored vehicles do not have very thick armor, because they have so much area to cover. In fact, many are not even proof against 40mm grenades or many kinds of HMG ammunition.
You could very easily armor a Tyrant sufficiently to resist HMG cartridges and conceivably even 40mm grenades. They're stronger proportionally than humans of their scale and can sustain massive bodily trauma besides. This violation of the square cube law means they can actually wear as much or more armor *proportional* to a smaller human. It doesn't even take a doubling (or even a 50% increase) in weight for modern plates to stop 50BMG AP, and the top of the line level IV plates can stop BMG FMJ already.
>and we have established that these guys are fucking stupid.
A gun is stupid, luckily humans exist to direct them. The smarter Tyrants are not so dumb that you cant designate a target for them.
My guy, tyrants are way more expensive and harder to replace than IFVs let alone an HMG, autocannon, or shoulder fire rocket launcher/recoilless gun.
That's largely development cost, if you have them ironed out already as part of the OP scenario, they should be orders of magnitude cheaper to produce than to develop.
Like the difference in cost between inventing the computer + building a factory vs the per unit cost ten years later.
What's the cost of upkeep on a fully developed tyrant though?
Impossible to estimate from the game information, anything from "they have to eat less than a regular human because the T-Virus canonically creates mass from nothing" to "they eat everything they kill and then some" are plausible answers.
Iirc tyrants require people with a rare specific gene or gene mutation to make in to them, also R&D costs will by necessity need to be reflected in their unit cost, on top of that you have upkeep costs. No way umbrella is going to price tyrants so that they're sold at an overall loss and given that tyrant candidates are exceedingly rare their unit cost is gonna be really damn high
Be one hell of a volleyball team though, maybe worth the price
You can clone tyrant candidates you don't need to start from scratch every time.
>you just have to make basic engagements untenable for the enemy in terms of cost
Such as vulnerable super infantry which costs a fortune and can't be easily replaced?
>supported by infantry
You can't infantry support away the retardation, if the super soldier depends on regular, non-super soldiers to not wander blindly into ambushes, then it's not such a fucking good soldier.
>Light armored vehicles do not have very thick armor, because they have so much area to cover. In fact, many are not even proof against 40mm grenades or many kinds of HMG ammunition.
Hence my point that you could pound away at him with HMGs and grenades. He's not going to be as tough as an IFV.
>You could very easily armor a Tyrant sufficiently to resist HMG cartridges and conceivably even 40mm grenades. They're stronger proportionally than humans of their scale and can sustain massive bodily trauma besides.
moron, can you picture that fucking bulk of just protecting the head and torso alone? Once again, also, you have shaped explosive charges of various kinds, if an M72 wouldn't destroy an armored Tyrant in one shot, then an AT4 would with absolute certainty. Nevermind the games showing the Tyrants keeling the fuck over after being shot at a a dozen times with relatively modest .357 Magnum revolvers, maybe not outright dying but they certainly incapacitate from trauma, leaving them vulnerable further.
An M2HB with modernized SLAPs would comprehensively rape an armored tyrant pretty readily, that shit eats through an actual IFV like it's nothing already. Then we have the question of if anyone is going to give a fuck about Hague when it comes to killing BOWs, which would leave you open to using all kinds of delightfully awful shit such as Willy Pete against them.
>Such as vulnerable super infantry which costs a fortune and can't be easily replaced?
Nope.
>You can't infantry support away the retardation, if the super soldier depends on regular, non-super soldiers to not wander blindly into ambushes, then it's not such a fucking good soldier.
Meaningless nonsense. A truck relies on a driver.
>Hence my point that you could pound away at him with HMGs and grenades. He's not going to be as tough as an IFV.
While he's firing on you from prone with a machine gun after all your infantry have been decimated since their small arms are functionally firing harsh language now.
>moron, can you picture that fucking bulk of just protecting the head and torso alone?
Yes.
>Once again, also, you have shaped explosive charges of various kinds, if an M72 wouldn't destroy an armored Tyrant in one shot, then an AT4 would with absolute certainty.
Forcing the enemy to rely on anti vehicle weapons to attack smaller than vehicle targets, while you dont have to do so, is immediate victory. While you're playing turbo-musket with inaccurate shoulder launched single shot weapons your troops are being shredded by rifle fire.
>Nevermind the games showing the Tyrants keeling the fuck over after being shot at a a dozen times with relatively modest .357 Magnum revolvers, maybe not outright dying but they certainly incapacitate from trauma, leaving them vulnerable further.
In other words even their bare skin is not reliably penetrable by conventional small arms.
>An M2HB with modernized SLAPs would comprehensively rape an armored tyrant pretty readily
99% of the time armies cant even afford Tungsten cores in their HMGs, most HMG AP rounds are still using fucking tool steel.
Also, a 50BMG SLAP round better hit the brain if it penetrates at all, because otherwise you're just putting a .30 caliber hole into something that can keep fighting with wounds the size of a man's arm.
>A truck relies on a driver
A truck driver interacts with and controls the truck directly, it doesn't have to relay orders to the truck in the hope that the truck fucking understands.
>You don't have to relay orders
Like say, with a drone.
>In other words even their bare skin is not reliably penetrable by conventional small arms.
Listen here, you ESL goblin motherfucker, if they sustain enough trauma from being penetrated by fucking .357 Magnum hollowpoints (and they DO penetrate), how in the fuck are they going to hold up to a fucking subcaliber tungsten projectile ripping through them like they were nothing? That shit will annihilate a rhinoceros.
>99% of the time armies cant even afford Tungsten cores in their HMGs, most HMG AP rounds are still using fucking tool steel.
Even sticking to hardened steel, driven to extreme speeds as a saboted projectile, it's going to rip, and it's certainly not hard to design the hardened steel projectile to intentionally cavitate like a boat propeller while it's penetrating flesh. It doesn't matter if he'll recover from it later when his arms and legs stop working in that moment, leaving him open to continue to receive even more fire.
If your pelvis is broken into pieces, you aren't going to walk on those legs no matter how many muscles you have or how little pain you feel, if your shoulder is pulverized, that arm isn't holding up anything, if the spinal column is severed, that's a lot that at least part of your body just isn't doing until that's somehow fixed. That blood is also going to run out eventually with enough bleeding in one short moment.
Also ignoring things like white phosphorus, flamethrowers, teargas, mustard gas, etc. There's a lot of less than standard shit you can do if someone goes YOLO and brings out BOWs.
Those things which either engage from a very long distance, or which are very small, cheap, and subtle? Again, you're not asking the fucking drone to interpret directions abstractly, you're controlling it remotely, which isn't what you're doing with a Tyrant.
>In other words even their bare skin is not reliably penetrable by conventional small arms.
>yes they get stopped and killed by being shot at by pistols but actually that means they aren’t even harmed by pistols
Post guns you double moron
>Yes, and you'd be losing.
>If you have to engage smaller than vehicle scale targets with vehicle scale weaponry, you're losing.
moron do you think a .50 or a 40mm can’t engage infantry? You’d be shooting at a target twice the size of a human that’s moving slower than a human. Not exactly difficult.
Also on the cost side, an entire belt on an M2 is a few hundred dollars. Tyrants cost hundreds of thousands to millions. Bullets ate way fucking cheaper than just the energy used to grow something that big.
> You could very easily armor a Tyrant sufficiently to resist HMG cartridges and conceivably even 40mm grenades
Explain how
>Explain how
He actually cannot.
>moron do you think a .50 or a 40mm can’t engage infantry?
God you're slow. If you've got smaller than vehicle sized units that can fire from prone, take cover like a human, and move through buildings, that are untouchable by small arms, you have massively slanted the balance of every engagement in your favor because they cannot effectively counter your infantry with their own infantry. They have to bring anti armor assets to bear on infantry scale elements, which means less of their anti armor assets are being used on your armor, and more of their infantry scale anti armor assets are being made vulnerable to your infantry.
Your squads that have to march with extra anti vehicle weapons and require extra babysitting by armored vehicles compared to mine lose operational speed. They make themselves exponentially more vulnerable to infantry rifle fire because of the handicap of being pinioned to weapons that are effective against tyrants in terms of accurate range, visibility, and rate of fire. An armored Tyrant would be harder to engage than a BMP because in addition to similar if not better armor, and potentially similar firepower, the Tyrant presents a target a tenth the size standing, and less laying down or crouching. The Tyrant can react faster, he can change directions faster, he can throw himself to the ground or roll to avoid a direct hit from an anti armor weapon.
>Not exactly difficult.
That'll be of great comfort to all your dead infantry.
>Also on the cost side, an entire belt on an M2 is a few hundred dollars
Holy shit you do realize that there are costs other than dollars in a war right?
When I say "basic engagement untenable in terms of cost" I'm not talking about the spot price of the metals that have to go into the fucking tyrant to render it inoperable you retard.
>Explain how
There are chest plates men can operate in at this very second that are proof against 50 BMG AP.
>untouchable by small arms
>It's literally impossible to give a moron who's face can stop 50ae thick enough armor to stop .308 across his super strong, physics defying body
Grenades
Just dumb fucking grenades work extremely well on tyrants especially in buildings.
Once they kneel for a moment you Can have your squad use the machine gun or more grenades on them.
>Tyrant with Machine gun
>Supported by infantry
>"Just hit him with a bunch of grenades while Hunk crawls all the way up your asshole"
I don't sée where you state supporter by infantry or Hunk types commandos in your two lasts post, you are only talking about tyrant against anti Armor weapons.
In Re1 and Re2 tyrants can be temporaly stopped by simple hand grenades.
Re3 remake makes Némésis kneel After one grenade or standing to close to an electric or fire hazard.
Re3 original had delta teams wipe 5 tyrants out with their regular small arms loadout, even if they themselves did not survive that right.
Where are you pulling your stats or believes from ?
Also, show me the plate that can tank .50 rounds and not turn the guy behind to pulp.
And as a last point, every single one of those bosses usually can get deleted by a single rocket from an antic soviet system so the 1 500$ western systems would also wipe the floor with any of them.
Or a drone strike.
Or calling a fucking A-10, would give them New perfects targets.
>Where are you pulling your stats or believes from ?
His ass. It's true because he says it is
Lore feats and real world physics don't matter to him
By the time you get into range to use a grenade one of these things would have killed you a million times.
>tyrant teleports behind you
>nothing personal
Meanwhile in every example from the series they are avoided, snuck around, and dodged repeatedly. While the tyrants never dodge grenades or jump for cover
Why didn’t you answer if infantry can use .50s or 40mm
>that are untouchable by small arms,
Again, repeating this doesn’t make it true. Canonically they are very very touchable by small arms. Chris killed one with a shotgun. Leon kills one with pistols. Why does a 800-1000lb mammal made of flesh become bulletproof? Be specific.
>massive slanted balance
You repeating it doesn’t make it true. Tyrants have the IQ of a potato.
>squads have to march with extra anti vehicle weapons
They have them anyways
>better armor and firepower than a BMP
You keep mentioning a BMP which confirms that you’re a gunless europoor. A tyrant can’t carry multiple times it’s body weight in armor to match that protection. Not without losing all mobility. A tyrant can’t carry an auto cannon. How would he even aim and deploy it? Where is the ammo stored? How does he carry the rounds? That doesn’t even include the thousands of pounds of weight between the gun and the ammo.
>physics defying body
There’s the problem dipshit. You’re taking fantasy and game mechanics and pretending those work in the real world. They don’t. If we use your logic let’s have Chris and Jill pump out 100 babies who can tank rockets, grenades, tyrant attacks, and punch 50 ton boulders uphill. Also video game logic says all of the tyrants and BOWs can be killed by a knife if you are good enough. You can even kill them with a knife and never get hit.
>Tyrants are supposed to be bulletproof
they're not. just very resistant. honestly the real goal of the T-virus research was getting immortality and superpowered ubermensch status. the BOWs were pretty shit in general and were mainly just used by terrorists
I love the half second look on the Tyrant when Leon whips the knife out. It's like he's going "is this motherfucker serious?"
Verdugo does the same thing in the re4make when Leon shoots him in the back while he's carrying Ashley off, it's pretty funny.
Everyone in this thread keeps mentioning that while also neglecting to mention that was just two Mr. X's iirc, not 'a roomfull', and that the delta squad team that confronted them were also wiped out to a man in a mutual slaughter.
The way I think about it, how much does it cost to recruit, train, equip and deploy a special forces soldier? Probably at least five years and ten million dollars, right? And that's assuming you don't care about the other twenty five it took other people/your society to nurture him into a full grown human being you can then turn into a soldier. Let's say a nemesis is the equivalent to a special forces soldier broadly speaking, which I think you would agree is fair enough. I think with mass production you could probably get a down a fully-loaded Tyrant model down to ten million, which seems pretty good to me because of it everything else it offers (total loyalty, no PR problems if one gets killed because of questionable tactical decisions by commanding officers and fearless)
Unless your argument is a special forces guy could totally take a Nemesis on 1v1 in which whatever, man. I think they have obvious uses it's just a question of how much do they actually cost to make which is never stated.
>hile also neglecting to mention that was just two Mr. X's iirc,
It was 5, with the 6th being about to get killed by Leon
>and that the delta squad team that confronted them were also wiped out to a man in a mutual slaughter.
I believe that's mostly because of the outbreak and / or merc ambush.
>I believe that's mostly because of the outbreak and / or merc ambush.
As I recall there were only two or three dead Mr. X bodies in that area but at least six dead soldiers. And I definitely don't believe your merc ambush theory considering a merc team would have certainly destroyed the rail gun after killing the delta squad. I think it's pretty cut and dry with the scene as presented that delta was deployed, got ambushed by a Mr. X team while they were preparing the rail cannon (which is why when you find it still needs to be loaded) and they mutually wiped each other out.
you can count the 5 mr x in the wreckage, that much i remember.
Hell one Tyrant broke it's limiter and mutated into the end boss from 2 and Delta still put him down.
the thanatos was essentially killed by civilians and a stars washout. and it costs on average 350k-500k for a navy seal a tyrant would cost something in the million range not counting for R&D and is generally not as predictable or as controllable as human soldiers. There's just no cost-effective way of actually using tyrants effectively unless as terror weapons. it's a solution looking for a problem
>Honestly yeah. They are usually fairly slow and lumbering, only sprinting in short bursts. I don't care what the games say and do, a shot (or three) to the dome kills one.
Like I said, whatever, man. First of all its stride is so long its walk is almost as fast as most people's run, and in a sprint I have zero doubt it could overtake anything on two legs. Second of all there is absolutely zero way a three round burst to the head with some sorry-ass 5.56 is going to kill it even if its unarmored which realistically it wouldn't be, too much mass, too many redundant biological systems. What's more the minute it shoots back with its rocket launcher or cannon or whatever anybody shooting at it will instantly be killed stone dead, no question about it.
And you talk about urban combat like it's some highly unusual situation, too. Urban combat is most combat these days, isn't it? Let's say one of these things was guarding a VIP in an office building and you have to take the guy alive. There's absolutely no way, you'd have to call in an artillery strike. Confronting it directly would be a catastrophe because no matter how elite the team you are practically guaranteed to take losses and probably pretty substantial ones meanwhile this thing might as well just be a drone for how meaningful killing it is. It's unjustifiable, it's like clearing a minefield with humans. You might as well just send your own tyrant.
You also ignored all the other benefits I mentioned which are definitely non-trivial, and that's with me being generous enough to pretend a Tyrant is only equivalent to a SOF operator when it's more like a light armored vehicle that can also serve as a SOF if need be. I also think your accounting is all fucked up, there's no way a SEAL only costs five hundred grand all told, iirc paratroopers cost about a million bucks all told and that was back in the seventies. Again, this is also disregarding the SOF dude is a real person and the tyrant isn't, you don't have to pay the tyrant's family its salary for the rest of their lives if it gets killed or grievously wounded due to some fuck up or anything like that. Pretending the thing doesn't have highly compelling use cases is just absurd, like I said, it comes down to the cost. Once mass production is down, how much per tyrant unit? That's the question that really ought to be asked rather than whether or not the thing would be useful, it would obviously be pretty fucking useful, it's practically a T-800.
>Tyrant is only equivalent to a SOF operator when it's more like a light armored vehicle
You keep repeating it but no it’s not. It can’t move as fast, can’t carry troops, can’t carry as much ammo, and potentially costs more. List WHY you think it is you turbogay.
Also he never states explicitly if he is talking about a regular tyrant or a prasited tyrant.
Only parasited tyrants can use weapons. The regular ones are kind of retarted ( don't talk, only use their fists, only go straight lines toward their targets )
>First of all its stride is so long its walk is almost as fast as most people's run
Leon and Claire easily outran Mr X. Reminding you that Claire was a 19 year old college girl. Jill was able to avoid Nemesis too. Same with Carlos.
>and in a sprint I have zero doubt it could overtake anything on two legs.
You have no proof of this whatsoever.
>Second of all there is absolutely zero way a three round burst to the head with some sorry-ass 5.56 is going to kill it
You have never shot a living thing in your life
>even if its unarmored which realistically it wouldn't be, too much mass,
You need feet of flesh to stop a bullet. Which it doesn’t have in front of its brain
>too many redundant biological systems
Oh really? Like what? The 2nd exposed heart on its chest, really practical. Where is the redundant biological brain? Please, show me.
>What's more the minute it shoots back with its rocket launcher or cannon or whatever anybody shooting at it will instantly be killed stone dead, no question about it.
So according to you when a human uses a rocket launcher against a tyrant it’s an automatic loss because you’re engaging a target smaller than a vehicle with anti-vehicle weaponry, but if a tyrant engages a person (an even smaller target) then they die immediately and it’s super effective. Wow. Great internal consistency you got there.
You’re the kid on the playground who can’t ever accept a loss.
Leon and a limping freedom fighter outran two sprinting tyrants in the 2012 Damnation CGI movies.
>Everyone in this thread keeps mentioning that while also neglecting to mention that was just two Mr. X's iirc, not 'a roomfull', and that the delta squad team that confronted them were also wiped out to a man in a mutual slaughter.
Which all took place indoors in relatively confined spaces right? That's a situation that plays very heavily to Mr X or a Nemesis's advantages. If they are outside or in a larger area that changes completely. Which is why I like that one guy's idea of using nemesis as a point man on entries.
>Unless your argument is a special forces guy could totally take a Nemesis on 1v1 in which whatever
Honestly yeah. They are usually fairly slow and lumbering, only sprinting in short bursts. I don't care what the games say and do, a shot (or three) to the dome kills one.
2015 NuJill using the same model/face/clothes of 1998 NuJill... Come on, Crapcom.
the monsters were just a helpful byproduct of Spencer trying to achieve immortality. the zombies were just an accident not meant to be used as a weapon. Other anons have already explained the other monsters. Did you not play the game ?
I played the original ps1 games and 7. Skipped all the remakes and full 3d sequels.
trying to ask specific lore questions about certain pieces of fiction is really fucking stupid because the questions you're asking are above the level of thought that went into the story. Resident evil goes out of its way to retcon significant details about the previous game to make the current story they're telling lazily work and i don't understand how people try and make comprehensive narrative and strategic sense out of horror story that completely changes every game
Afaik the only Tyrant that followed its mission to the letter was Nemesis. It had the sole purpose of wiping out the STARS team, and that's all it tried to do.
Umbrella's only truly successful products were the hunters and later model tyrants. Maybe the chimera but shit went tits up before they could test them.
something like a nemesis would be great to be a doorkicker. no one wants to step in first through a guarded door but this gigabro can do it without complaint, he is also already dead and isn't lifting a paycheck nor generates sad headlines at home when his vehicle runs over an IED. even just 1 or 2 in a squad would serve as pretty nice force multipliers, maybe make them have a cute catchphrase like "I am groot" or something and try to keep the body horror under wraps to try and not freak out your own dudes.
See this is how you get creative and find good uses cases for BOWs. That would be an excellent application. You could bring a nemesis on high risk stuff like entry or deep behind enemy lines where he can hold off people as the humans get away. Who cares if it dies. Let him fire some 40mm or have a 240 and a shitload of ammo. Activate the self destruct if you don’t want the enemy capturing the remains. Or maybe send in 2-4 hunters as a way to flush out enemies and get them to fire. If they get close and kill an enemy or two, sweet. The main purpose is divert attention to a threat (albeit a less one) and make the enemy reveal their position.
>My question is, what is the military application of these things?
Basically, commando assaults and assassinations.
The Tyrant BOW will literally refuse to die until it has accomplished it's objective, and you can set it up so even if it fails it's objective, it's V-ACT mutation will fuck shit up. Excellent applications for wartime commando missions and of course, just dropping it into an urban zone. Hunter and Cerberus BOWs are proof of concept for that strategy.
RE2 introduces Golgotha which was a straight up viral delivery package, the kind that could meme up the whole planet if left unchecked as it turns everything into a mass of itself.
In short: In short, classic RE offers you either commandos or MAD measures.
HOWEVER, Past RE4 BOW development goes balls to the wall to the point you can basically buy organic tanks than resurrect into tentacle monsters upon getting killed AND turn a child soldier army you kidnapped from congo into willing soldiers who don't feel pain.
By RE6 they went full in into the disposable mutant supersoldiers route, to the point they could feasibly fight a whole war on their own if properly supplied and there were dozens of super elite criminal organizations working exclusively with BOWs
Then you have Metal Gear tier weaponry ie the final boss from RE6 and Eveline from RE7, BOW development that weren't neither traditional BOWs or viral nukes, but superweapons on their own right.
In short, RE BOW development wasn't just a single purpose weapon, it was going to replace everything about warfare, including nukes. There's hints that the next or second next instalment of RE will be post-apocalyptic.
Golgotha was so fucked UP that even umbrella asked Birkin to destroy every samples, several times.
It's also lowkey the basis for Ouroboros virus. Wesker's idea was basically LARPing at being Jupiter waging the titanomachy with 6000 mini-weskers against a planet's worth of ouroboros monstrosities.
Well, civilisations seems good when WE meet 2037 teenager rose at the end of 8. And considering numered RE games take place in current year if release, we have some times
We shall see. Truth be told is that CAPCOM completely misunderstood what made RE7 a smash hit, they probably aren't aware RE8 is only popular for the vampire mommy and the memes and think they are on the right track despite the story and setting went straight back to the same retardation that made RE6 flop.
The only plot thread left is Redfield Vs. BSAA. The are running out of things to do and the only options left seem to be either post-apocalypse, or literally turning the MCs into supersaiyans.
If they do Chris vs BSAA I really hope they bring back Sheva as his "man" on the inside at least.
Another problem with games happening usually during their year of release ( for numered entries ) is thé characters aging.
Chris, Jill, Léon and Claire were born in the 70s, they will be into their 50s by next game, they have to find younger protagonists and rose is still a child.
Jack and Birkin'z daugher are around 35 now i believe but they are RE6 characters.
Also Sheeva from RE5 , same age aas Birkin's daugher.
we will see, next 1 or 2 years will be the deciding factor in this, there won't be more games to remake past 5 so they only option is moving forward.
I would like a remake of 0 and code Véronica
Code Véronica is probably in the work tbh.
I need a remake of Dino Cris btw
>I would like a remake of 0 and code Véronica
>capcom's face when
They asked the fan team doing the fan remake to Can the project a fews months before RE3 remake release, so maybe they are really working on it
Side note, their engineers are doing wonder with that RE engine, each game since 7 is more impressive while being more optimisée and taking comparatively less ressources. Lot's of performances sliders on pc too.
>Side note, their engineers are doing wonder with that RE engine
definitely, shame it's such a resource hog. no i will not upgrade my toaster graphics peaked in 2013.
>Lot's of performances sliders on pc too.
It's basically a spiritual successor to the F.E.A.R. engine's light physics. Edges pretty close to realistic light simulation at max settings.
Guess it's the general direction games engines are moving towards, since making maps and characters look more detailed gives diminishing returns while eating the art department's budget. You can actually turn the modern features off and see it for yourself: Graphically you won't distinguish a modern RE from games as old as Metro 2033
Playing Baldur's Gate 3 en.
Engine is pure shit compared to RE engine.
I think having in house engine built specificaly to your own needs like Capcom and that engine lead to better results than having your dev and engineers toy around with Unreal 5 and calling it a day at some point. Not that mastères Unreal does not look incredible but it's usually not mastered and most the time games are broken on delivery.
Cyberpunk was unplayable for a year, but it looks gorgeous on max settings tho.
playong Baldur's Gate 3 rn*
You are correct.
Truth is, we've reached a point in game development were state of the art grafix are reserved only for AAA movie game titles. The diminishing returns problem is very, very real. You don't need realistic light in an Arena Shooter or an RPG.
If you wanna see western state of the art, play Red Dead Redemption, The Last of Us 2 and Jedi Survivor. But truth be told the grafix arms race is pretty much finished.
You should try Plague tales Requiem too for western state of the art or stray.
>stray
isn't that an indie title? i heard nothing of it using new graphics developments
It's pretty
French games tend to bé pretty because France has one of the best graphic art school in the World. However Ubisoft usually manage to fuck it UP because of bloating game problems or blanc open World
Chris and Sheva are the only ones who've canon never been infected with anything, the rest of them have an excuse for decelerated aging.
>Chris
got infected and cured in the most recent film too
>Sheva
black don't crack
Well then, of the original cast that just leaves Barry, right? Not too late though, they could have Notnatalia infect him with something.
Continue RE2 there's Hunk too
However both him and Barry are like 65 by now.
Ada has something in her too no ? Related to RE 6. She doesn't seems to age compared to Leon.
Same Anon, just remembered that WE have Moira Burton from Révélation 2 as the youngest protagonist now, appart from baby Rose.
She sould be around 30 to 32 now.
>Moira
T-Phobos infection, she's safe from the wall.
T-phobos is the last case of T virus being used in universe i think.
Since the T vaccine from Willpharma was made around 2004 as a prototype and the last regular known outbreak of regular T is in 2004 at harvardville and then T-abyss in 2005 on those cruise ships.
>or literally turning the MCs into supersaiyans.
I’d dig it
The large majority of the Earth's population appear to be incompatible of working well with the Virus.
So they result in zombies and other fleshy abominations and mutations.
Wesker's abilities actually seem effectively like a real successful super soldier.
Sometimes you just hit the jackpot with these bioweapons and get a guy with ferrokinesis powers... for some reason.
But he's just not particularly intelligent.
Truthfully, Heisenberg was the weak point of Village to me. Which is sad because his factory is one of the cooler areas in the game, with awesome ambience. But his Michael Bay-esqu powers and Nic Cage voice really did not jive with Resident Evil. I mean, not a lot of Village did to be honest...but at least the others made an effort.
>But he's just not particularly intelligent.
He made supersoldiers with some corpses and scrap metal he had lying around. He was intelligent enough to be a credible threat, that's why BSAA had him flagged for observation.
Yeah but his plan was really not good and had many mistakes along the way. And his communication skills are awful, didn't even try to hide his intentions. Miranda was absolutely aware of what he was planning and saw it coming right away.
I think he's a cool character anyway. His abilities are just a bit outlandish at first.
Not Resident Evil
No, they were a side effect of research into the progenitor virus, the purpose of which is to achieve immortality. All the monsters were byproducts of that and used for whatever profit they could be, in a theoretical case, as weapons ig hunters, tyrants, and nemesis.
"Who cares? Me and senpai will KILL THEM ALL!!!"
Zombies would be easily dispatched with something like say, a spear.
Mother of Christ he's multifagging in threads that aren't even about melee weapons....
>Obviously the regular zombies are just an aoe biological weapon, drop a few cannisters of zombie virus in an area and now the enemy has to fight their own zombified populace.
If I'm right this wasn't actually the application just a side effect. Tyrants were the end goal since the zombies were too difficult to actually contain, but tyrants only show up in rare members of the population. And you can see how they are handled throughout the series with ones like Nemesis and Mr X.
The mere threat of being able to zombify a population would presumably be enough to frighten entire nations into submission.
By 2012 in the RE universe, there were at least 2 separate zombie outbreaks in the White House itself. In Infinite Darkness which took place in the mid or late-2000s, and in RE6 in 2012.
>and in RE6 in 2012.
wasn't the whitehouse but a small college town.
Oh yeah. Infinite Darkness was at the White House and got really close to Graham.
RE6 was the outbreak that actually resulted in the death of a President.
2013 to bé exact for RE6 and it's in Tall Oaks at the university the président Went to as a student. But yeah, that's basically the same thing.
According to Vendetta there were like 20 small oubreaks in a fews months in 2012 in northern USA before the bio terrorist of the week released is new Airborne zombie virus to New York.
BSAA must be under so much work considering in universe the usa used t derivated virus in not-Afghanistan, there are still pockets of plagas in not-south Africa, there were remains of los illuminados still working with terrorists in 2011, plagas and lickers in not-Ukraine, javos in not-serbia and China, with zombies in c china too probably, and that Island of the coast of russia with T-phobos.
The guys assigned to clean up the mold in Louisiana and not-romania probably have the worst job currently.
In the end the BOWs were useless, during the mansion incident alone one woman was able to kill loads of zombies, hunters and other BOWs and a tyrant as well and survive, then she did it again in the city two months later
Military application? None.
Notice how they always end up having to drop a big fuck off bomb on the place where they release the zomboos. So couldn't we skip the zomboo stage and just drop the big fuck off bomb? Perhaps?
You might have fucked up a copy and pastel there buddy.
Why on earth would anyone give a shit about muh lore in a goofy ass series where the TG virus turns an effeminate man into a female Tyrant with electric tits and flesh high heels?
They look cool, that's about it
If you could replicate what Wesker did to himself governments would be on that like stink on shit. Superhuman speed, strength and healing, combined with needing a serum to keep it and them under (your)control? Please umbrella, take all of our tax dollars.
So all it takes to kill a majority of these BOWs is a supply of 10mm, right? Most of the lesser ones go down in under 15 rounds of 9mm and a single round of .357 or .44.
12 gauges.
Regular zombies are scary when you only have the pistol, they become a mere annoyance once you get the shotgun, in all of those games.
Also, aiming helps a lot.
Also regulars tyrants are regardes and cannot use weapons.
Only Nemesis types tyrants, with a parasite, Can Do complexe tasks.
Regular tyrants would bé sitting duck on most battlefields since they are unarmed.
I would sée them work as first line riot breakers in "Law" keeping tasks. With a Big shirkd strapped to them and thé regular humans cops/Law engorgement behind them firing or doing others things while being protected. Point being that they would bé much more useful against civilians lacking the firepower to get through them without lot's of préparation and planning
It's kind of crazy to think in RE6 that some dude created an EVEN deadlier version of the T-Virus (C-Virus) and nearly ended the fucking world all because he wanted to clone some asian pussy.
What Yellow fever will do to a motherfucker. But Simmons was already retarded (and part of the Illuminati) before Leon cucked him.