Apache for Ukraine

Attack helicopters are the next big item on the wish list now that the western tanks have been supplied.

Russian helicopters have been decimated because they can't operate reliably at night. Giving Ukraine an all weather day/night capability to engage Russian positions at long (tactical) ranges will make a huge impact. Apache D, some early S/A hellfires and a bunch of rockets, there's loads of them around there's little to be lost if one was captured.

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If there's one Russian thing I'd suspect isn't absolutely terrible, it's probably their distributed anti-air capabilities.
    Yeah I know about those Hind raids the Ukrainians pulled. But they had a corridor open for them. They didn't beat their air defense, they just took advantage of Russian hubris.
    I'd rather see ground launched hellfires that use drones to target

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this
      that's why F-16 deliveries might not be that effective either
      Russia has lots of AA
      what Ukraine needs primarily is tanks, IFVs, artillery. Zalushny said it himself.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        F-16 is better at avoiding AA than helicopters because it flies much faster. What Ukraine doesn't have is safe airports to operate high performance aircraft from, so they're using highway runways and camouflaged parking spots. STOL jets would be more useful.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          a couple F-16 likely would still get fucked by the plethora of S-300/Tor/S-400/Buk/Pantsir the Russians have
          only a massive SEAD/DEAD attack with cruise missiles and all that good shit could probably reliably and lastingly overcome that, and Ukies aren't getting that capability unless NATO decides to intervene directly
          but idk, maybe I'm wrong and a few fighters would help too

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Lol Israel shits all over Syrian S300s with F15s and F16s

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              are they? They got F-35 now and didn't the Syrians only get S-300 recently? Russians aren't engaging the Israelis.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              all syrian s300s were operated by the russians, and they dont even turn them on, theyre just there as a deterrent. vatnik posturing

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Ukraine already operates fighter aircraft. Just because they can’t zerg them freely around doesn’t mean they’re useless.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        F-16s are still the main SEAD aircraft for the USAF. Practically purpose built for fuckin on Russian AA.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    OP here again I just want to mention that I am trans. Not sure if it matters but w/e

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Oh, anon, you and your trannies. He never shuts up about them.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    helicopters are a high-skill vehicle that needs a highly trained pilot that needs to fly missions with careful risk management to avoid being just wasted by basic bitch manpads.

    Good luck bruh

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Expensive, hard to learn, easy to counter... Next idea

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Build your own helicopters you fucking gypsy.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    far too complicated to train UA pilots quickly, anon
    Apache pilots can more or less read two books at once with their independent eyeballs

    if anything, Hueys and Little Bird gunships, or missile-armed Lynx, Gazelle, Puma, etc are far more likely. anything that can mount APKWS and Hellfires would be a boost.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      armed prop planes?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Helicopters can hover so low they literally scrape the ground or treetops every now and then. That fucks with SAM tracking nd LOS AAA like you wouldn't believe.

        Prop planes would be murder... for the pilot.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >ywn go on a barnstorming nap of the earth SEAD mission in a T-6
          why even live?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          This. Especially the longbow with its fancy radar which might as well be a wunderwaffe compared to what Vatniks have. All it has to do is stay below the treetops and BTFO vatnik tanks with hellfires 8km away at night. There’s literally no counter to it.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >far too complicated to train UA pilots quickly, anon
      >Apache pilots can more or less read two books at once with their independent eyeballs
      FWIW: There are unconfirmed reports that four apaches are going with the challengers.

      It's only been reported by a tabloid so it's highly non-credible so far.

      https://i.imgur.com/z2VDaoU.jpg

      get those refurbished and upgraded ones from South Africa

      >refurbished and upgraded hinds
      Hinds never look exactly peaceful but that's a pretty intimidating mf

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Little Birds
      >Kiowas

      Hilarious if Eurocopter Tigers are next

      Has Italy sent anything? I can see a Mangusta for Apache swap

      Turkey has their own attack helos too

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Italy doesn't want Apaches, they're working on their own new attack helicopter

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >doesn't want Apaches
          >makes Apaches from home

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That's the UK side of Augusta - WESTLAND

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              AW is a subsidiary of Italy's Leonardo

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not when the Apaches were built, and the facilities where wetland have their staff are still in the UK building wildcat and Merlin amoungst other things.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                pretty sure that anon was talking about Italy's attack chopper, not the UK's.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >We have Apaches at home

          I like it, it's got an 80s low polygon aesthetic.
          Like it's the ground attack chopper of the Talidan fleet.

          there is nothing an apache can do that brimstone missiles already cant do.

          >there is nothing an apache can do that brimstone missiles already cant do
          An Apache probably has better backup utility as a trench clearer but the real advantage versus a HIMARS is that Apache does its own spotting and against a Su-25 is that it's more survivable since their Su-25/27s have to fly like helicopters anyway, using terrain for cover and below radar.

          Even though I know it's going to be bullshit, I'll still be a little disappointed when we find out it was just a Tabloid rumour.
          Unfortunately, someone at that tabloid is looking at page-views and already planning the next bullshit rumour to bring in the clicks and the eyeballs.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      anything??

  7. 2 weeks ago
    RC-135 Rivet Joint

    easier to give them Hinds with thermal upgrades and data link w/ hellfire capabilities

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      get those refurbished and upgraded ones from South Africa

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Des this mean we might get Apache gun cam footage from Ukraine?
    ...Please?

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    one more escalation, one step closer to Ukrainian F-16s

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Waste of money

    Drones armed with laser guided 70mm hydra and hellfires are more useful than 4 apache

    You can deliver and train them faster than apaches too

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nobody knows what missions the Apaches are being considered for. Probably best not to make Dunning-Kruger assumptions about them being assigned to only missions that utilize about 1% of their flexibility.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah

        How long does it take to train a ukrainian apache pilot and get it up and running in Ukraine?

        Now how about predator drones.

        You know what apaches fire hellfire and hydra.

        You know what you can put on predators? Hellfire and hydra.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    de-fund westland + bell

    *cha cha*

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >apache
    >with hellfire missiles

    is this the key detail? is the chopper going to be nothing more than a pinpoint accurate missile launcher from a hundred kilometers away?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Obviously, do you think they are going to do attack runs like it's a WW2 plane? The standoff capabilites of the Apache are scary.
      This might be another HIMARS moment if they are used well.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        right except no apaches are going to ukraine
        yet

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        there is nothing an apache can do that brimstone missiles already cant do.

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Try GMLRS and ATACMS. Give those to Ukraine and they'll take Crimea.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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