In this video, 22lr doesn't even penetrate a rib. Meanwhile 38 special to 12 gauge shotguns do such severe and undeniable damage that it's unfair to compare them to 22lr for pocket pistol carry.
In this video, pocket pistols do basically 0 damage until he pulls out a 500 s&w and shows how extremely it mogs and devastates other pistol calibers.
Do you fuckers really still think 22lr is good for carry? Don't tell me you fell for the FBI memes.
FYI, 10mm, .460 ruger, 500 s&w, and 45-70 make the best bear guns.
What gun and ammo wasn't able to penetrate a rib with 22LR? I thought Paul Harrell shot through pork ribs with a pocket pistol
>Why is my nonstandard test without the repeatability contradicted by another nonstandard test without repeatability
Gee whiz if only we a medium that could be reliably replicated that would offer a standard and repeatability. We shall never know
That's not an answer, that's a deflection. What gun and load?
The current standard is retarded, it should include an artificial bone-like material that can be easily man made and reproduced to demonstrate the ability to penetrate a human sternum or rib.
He repeats it easily with a new rack of ribs
Did you try watching the video that was linked? gay. The source is literally in OP you ADHD brainlet zoomer.
I don't want to watch your video, you made the claim. Just fill in the rest of your blanks. Which loading out of which gun fails to penetrate a rib?
>you made the claim. Just fill in the rest of your blanks. Which loading out of which gun fails to penetrate a rib
I made the claim and posted the source. I'm not going to spoon feed you any further.
And I asked a simple question. Figured you'd be eager to discuss the topic you started.
Watch the video. Open your eyes and watch the video, I'm not going to do it for you.
>Watch the video
This, I hate gays who post sources that they don’t even know enough on to be able to summarize it and prove their own ability to understand information. Plebbit fags posting sources that almost always don’t line up with their claims is just a litmus test to waste the time of their percieved opponents and add validity to their words to the retarded masses who are too lazy to learn but thinks a link to a paper or video is proof enough for their own preconcieved ideas
>usps security jan 1st 2016-jan 6th 2021
>He carries .38spc when 9mm out of a revolver is superior
The fact you think .38 is acceptable is laughable.
This. .38 special clocks in at between 200 and 400J whereas 9mm starts around 400J
We use hasguns units here outlander, not Fagometers and Megagarden gnomels
Imperial is terrible for physics but good for physical measurements and dimensions. You cannot refute me, mutt
>That's like asking "Hurr durr why does the military carry 5.56 rifles when a 7.62 has more energy?"
(1) Because of weight. Duh. 38 special doesn't build the same pressures as 9mm so guns chambered in 38 can be made smaller, lighter, and more easily concealable. A 9mm revolver is just a 357 magnum revolver with a modified cylinder. When you're talking about a pants pocket CCW weapon you'll have on you all day long the difference between a 12 ounce 38 and a 22 ounce 9mm is pretty significant. If you can achieve similar lethality without having to overburden and exhaust your body then why wouldn't you choose the lighter weapon?
(2) The cartridges are designed differently and for different purposes. 38 special is a rimmed cartridge with a cannelure channel in the bullet that the case is crimped in to. This holds the bullet in place during heavy recoil. A 9mm bullet doesn't have that. When firing a 9mm revolver the bullet could become dislodged from the case and jam the gun, or worse, dump powder all over your hand and the gun while you're firing it.
(3) 38 special was originally just a hair shy of the power of a 357 magnum. After the release of lightweight alloy framed revolvers they began to load down the 38 special significantly. There are still very potent 38s available on the market though. Buffalo Bore, for example. Their 38 specials easily match, or in some cases exceed just about any commercial 9mm +p loads.
(4) Using myself as an example, when not carrying my snubbie LCR, I CC the 3" Ruger LCRx in 38. This is a 3" barrel revolver but only weighs 15.6 ounces unloaded and just under 17 punces loaded with Buffalo Bore HEAVY 38 special +p. That's a 158 grain bullet that I've clocked travelling at over 1100 ft/sec from my gun. That's over 400 ft.lbs of energy from a gun that weighs less than a pound.
>Don't tell me you fell for the FBI memes
The only thing I trust the FBI on is sniper tactics. They have always been creme-de-la-creme in that regard
The point is to break contact. It doesn't need to do devastating damage, just get the aggressor to leave ME alone and go fuck with someone else.
There's plenty of videos that show aggressors not breaking contact until they hit the floor.
>It doesn't need to do devastating damage, just get the aggressor to leave ME alone and go fuck with someone else.
so are you shooting to wound like a retard?
Fake bones and organs in Ballistics gel do not provide a meaningful facsimile of the human body. 22lr is the most common round used to kill cows instantly, do you think a human rib is stronger than a cow's skull?
That's out of a rifle, not a pocket pistol
not relevant to discussion in this thread but damn, that’s insane how fast they drop
Everything here was with a rifle, not a 2in pocket gun barrel.
that bear is shot several times though.
This is true most of the time but you might want to consider police shooting videos where he runs at the cop while being shot 5+ times with 9mm
9mm or 40 for carry. I only carried .380 for a backup gun, but a pocket gun in .380 is better than nothing or anything smaller.
The rhythm has my sole.
What was he shooting, 22lr ratshot?
Watch the fucking video you fucking retard. It was 22lr round nose.
Below in energy not diameter fucking idiot. Damn you people are retarded. I'm sure 270 Weatherby could kill a human too.
>anything below .38 special is retarded for EDC
>7.62 Tok is below .38 on your chart, therefore it’s retarded and somehow .38 is better
Handguns are mediocre in general, that's why "magdump pointshoot for CNS or heart hits" is the current training meta.
If you really want to defend yourself, get something supersonic or a shotgun.
>get something supersonic
There's loads of supersonic pistol cartridges though
Go big or go home
Big guns and big boolets are based simple as.
>but 9mm does the same job!
I dont listen to the opinions of limp wristed morons
There was a contractor working on the fencing for a factory I worked at. He was carrying a fullsize Glock just like that, but it was super windy and his overshirt had rode up over the grip. I casually walked over and told him, he quipped back with something like "who cares, are you going to tell security?". Kind of rubbed me the wrong way, since obviously I wasn't trying to tell security. I walked over to the dude to tell him his Glock was showing specifically because I didn't want security on his ass.
You got cucked.
>e-excuse me s-sir. your g-gun is p-printing
>"Who cares? Call the fucking cops. I'll shoot them"
He wasn't printing, his shirt was caught on the grip and the gun was literally exposed. And of course he covered it as soon as I told him. But of course I'm the cuck. Next time I'll just tell security so as to not be the bitch.
Stop looking at dude's penises, bro.
Literally the equivalent of a gay walking up to a dude at the gym telling him his cock is printing through his shorts.
Who the fuck does that?
>starts talking about looking at dude's cocks at the gym
>posts a webm of a guy commiting suicide
>I am edgelord
>He doesn't EDC dual G21s in shoulder holsters
I'd honestly rather shoot a bb gun than a .22lr. Probably better for a survival situation too. Ammo is way cheaper to stock, way lighter, and way quieter. .22lr is just a boomer meme.
9x18 kills bear
>i take seriously a retarded test made with a block of balistic gel full of plastic shit
tell me you're a moron, without telling me you're a moron
>>i take seriously a retarded test made with a block of balistic gel covered with skinny jeans
>In this video, 22lr doesn't even penetrate a rib.
I'm sure hundreds of thousands of beef would be relieved to know this, if they weren't dead
Ok now we are baiting.
Top tier bait.
>Anything below 38 special is retarded
I thought you weren't supposed to bother with anything starting with less than .4
Unless it’s starts with a 5 they’ll still be alive.
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I've put a lot of animals down with a .22 LR.
>videos don't mention the .22 LR load
>uses a cobray derringer piece of shit with a huge gap between the barrel and breechface for the tests
There is a massive difference between shitty bulk-box .22 LRN and something like a CCI stinger
I've killed more animals on my property with my Beretta Bobcat loaded with CCI velocitors than any other gun in my arsenal, always with a single bullet.
>didn't see the cobray 22 6 shooter
.22lr is a hell of a cartridge
OP is a damn dirty retard and a disgrace. Fuck OP.
The only calibers that matter in that pic are 9mm and 10mm and maybe .357 mag. And the latter is a huge maybe that I only included because stuff like the Manurhin MR73 exists.
The rest are completely obsolescent and obsolete garbage that are a complete meme in current year.
327 begs to differ as always, if you can find it
Buy an advertisement, gay.
I've seen 16gr .22 air pellets at 500fps get more pen through rabbit and raccoon skulls than that 40gr 22lr did. Meanwhile, Federal is out here claiming their Punch .22lr hits 950+fps out of a 2" barrel.
Either their .22lr in that video is loaded weaker than hell, or Federal is full of shit.
What about 50 rounds of .22lr with another 50 rounds in your pocket? What would that do exactly??
Nobody will be tracking you easy after that