Ok /k/, I currently live in britbong land and I am unable to move into any other country with laxer gun laws. I am unable to apply for an FAC because I have anxiety listed on my NHS medical record which means I would be automatically made exempt from any consideration from a firearms officer. Despite this I have thrown in my lot with air rifles and coping that the law surrounding air rifles in England are far more lenient than somewhere like Germany or the rest of the kingdom such as Scotland or Northern Ireland. However, most of the air rifles available are long rifle style and are at most non-cycling semi automatics with small rotating magazines. Does anyone know what is the closest analogous thing to something such as a cycling semi or fully automatic rifle available in the UK which does not require an FAC and for the love of god does not shoot BBs? I know its an impossible task but I might as well ask in case there is someone who does know.
>not allowed to have a gun loicense if you admit to having anxiety
Jesus christ I don't think even eastern europe is this cucked.
Maybe you can try and see if they let you own pump-action rifles there? I don't know UK's laws bro you will have to ask a brit
Worst part is that I didn't voluntarily admit to having it. Its something which I got when I was 11 through my parents due to life shit. I will have a look to see if there are pump actions out there but I doubt they will be in something like semi-automatic.
If its approachable for a DIY amateur I am all ears if you know any plans/designs.
It's a problem in some states in the US too that only allow us a few semi-autos. I think you are prohibited based on muzzle energy though which prohibits basically everything regardless of which action it uses. In that case an airgun would still probably break their stupid rules. I would get a nice bow or crossbow personally if the rules don't apply to them
You are correct about muzzle energy, around 12 foot pounds at the end of the barrel with anything greater requiring an FAC. Bows have been on my radar funnily enough and I have considered getting a cross bow in the past. You can get anything as long as the projectile does not exceed something like 160-170 pounds of force or something like that. Dedicated club/ranges for them though are pretty far away from where I am based unfortunately.
I would try and get a bolt-action rifle like an SMLE or mauser first that won't spook them and if they really refuse there are a bunch of repeating crossbows out there that are probably a lot better and more fun to shoot than an airgun
https://tacticalarchery.co.uk/collections/self-repeating-crossbows
I suppose there is no harm in applying for the sake of applying if
is anything to go by. If I fail it just means I will have to pay for processing fees and be stuck with a really secure cabinet in my house. Also damn I did not know that these things were available, I think I am going to have to get hold of one of those when pay day comes round this month.
I'm glad I wasn't born as a subject. Please stay in your cucked country, you will ruin anywhere else you go to
If I wanted something that my country is restrictive about how does that mean I would ruin another country that is less constrictive about the thing I want. If anything it would mean I would assimilate. The dynamic has to be reversed for it to make sense, but if your lack of brain cells are anything to go by I probably wouldnt want to go to your country in case I catch your level of retardation.
California's move to Colorado because they don't like the laws of California. They don't assimilate to Coloradan, they stay Californian, they vote Californian, and eventually Colorado becomes 'landlocked California'. You being a serf, a subject, a homosexual, are all reasons to keep you out of my country. Find like minded bongs and kill your leaders, it's the only solution
>Assumes everywhere has the same psychology as an amerimutt
Well thanks for your shit post anyway, your first attempt was retarded and did not make sense and now you are just regurgitating similar shit about changing goverments other people have brought up in the thread. Now unless you have anything new to say or anything relevant to my orignal question you shuffle on and continue to seethe about californians or some other microscopic inter-state drama that the rest of the world could give less of a shit about.
>the rest of the world could give less of a shit about.
Lol I agreed with you up till the end.
Countrylets tend to throw around terms like "the rest of the world" like America isn't 99% of "The World" with everywhere else being wastelands or themeparks. Every US state, individually, is more important than the next most important country in the world behind the United States. The United States is in effect an alliance of the fifty most important countries on the planet, everyone else has to fight over 51st place, and that's determined exclusively by your interactions with America.
It's like the ants in your yard arguing about how "stubborn" you are for not living and thinking like the "rest of the life forms on the property".
>Mutt still barking
Sure thing buddy, sure thing
No gun no opinion fag
Shotgun cert is way easier to get than FAC. You really should already know this if you are serious about it.
>I didn't voluntarily admit to having it. Its something which I got when I was 11 through my parents due to life shit.
You need a second opinion from another doctor, ideally one who's willing to serve as a reference on your FAC application.
I am aware about shotguns being more lenient in their requirements with the common adage that you have to justify having a rifle and the police have to justify why you shouldn't have a shotgun. I but do not have a shotgun range nearby and the few farmers I know with fields already have shotguns of their own so they do not need someone coming onto their field for pest control nor would they want someone killing their pheasants that they are saving for themselves to sport with. The only firearm range which is nearby is a small bore indoor gun range which cleared for air weapons or anything under the small bore classification. As for second opinion I will have to speak with my local GP to see if that is doable, I think I could potentially convince them that after 11 years the diagnosis is not really necessary anymore. My only concern is that if I do that and not long after that then ask for a reference for an FAC they may think I have deliberately downplayed my prognosis in preparation for trying to obtain firearms. But as I have said before the most I can lose is an empty wallet if I am unsuccessful.
Step 1: See GP - do this first so the time between second opinion and FAC application isn't too short
Step 2: Attend local range - prove you are responsible with air rifles and get to know the organisers
Step 3: Driver's license and vehicle - get these so you can drive to a trap shooting club
Step 4: Shotgun certificate and shotgun - get these so you can take part in trap shooting and get to know the organisers
Step 5: Apply for FAC - use GP, local range owner, trap shooting organiser and at least one other professional/businessperson as references
Thank you for the step by step laydown, I will organise seeing my GP in a week or so time and see if I can get the diagnosis reversed and go from there.
>You need a second opinion from another doctor
good luck lmao I got diagnosed with depression when I was 5 even though NHS guidelines say that psychiatric diagnosis based off the patient's communication rather than objective clinical observations shouldn't be performed
no GP will touch my file, I'd have to pay privately for reassessment and the chances are the NHS will reject it to protect their clique
in bongland once you're diagnosed with something, you have it for life
I will never own a fun or join the RAF all because one child shrink was bad at her job
>one child shrink was bad at her job
If you're old enough to post here, you're old enough to sue her.
>Jesus christ I don't think even eastern europe is this cucked.
poland...
How bad can it be over there?
any psychiatric disease disqualifies you from gun license
if they're nice they'll forgive you depression in the past
Automatic air rifle, DIY
>I am unable to apply for an FAC because I have anxiety listed on my NHS medical record which means I would be automatically made exempt from any consideration from a firearms officer.
Not true, homosexual.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1135052/Revised_Firearms_Licensing_Statutory_Guidance_Feb_2023.pdf
My uncle has anxiety, depression and a prior suicide attempt and they still signed off on him owning guns. We went pheasant shooting last time I was in the UK.
It is case by case basis and under the discretion of the firearms officer, but mental health is a factor considered for exemption. I will have a further read but your uncle likely got lucky as the gun community in my area have explained that the current firearm officers within jurisdiction are real hard asses and that I am fucked unless I know them on a first name basis.
Rifles or shotguns?
I thought UK had energy restrictions on airguns.
Germany had that loophole where you could get an arrow shooting airgun if the arrow slotted over the barrel rather than in it.
German airguns are available but have stricter muzzle energy restrictions compared to England with 5.5 foot pounds compared to England's 12 foot pounds. I specify England and not UK however as Scotland requires FAC for anything more than 6.5 foot pounds and in Northern Ireland anything greater than 0.7 foot pounds
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I wasn't making up that loophole about the over-the-barrel arrow shooters.
As far as I know, the Ringer series is still legal in Germany.
A crossbow would be the best option. This will punch a hole deep into a nagger, not just a little jab with a pencil or pen knife like you get with low-energy restricted air pistols, it's the most powerful repeating crossbow around.
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How attached to the airgun idea are you?
At this moment in time I do not have an FAC, so anything which stays under 12 foot pounds of force from a barrel is valid. As far as I am aware there are no cartridge systems that stay under 12 foot pounds so that is why I have been under the assumption of air weapons. But I am all ears if you have an alternstive idea in mind
Well, what about a crossbow?
Are repeating crossbows allowed in your serfdom?
People have already pointed that out in the thread.
Fair enough.
A home made musket or airgun would whoop ass and is pretty easy, but yknow the cops are coming for you after so that's not an option till you're ready to stage a revolution.
The airguns legal in UK can harm someone, but are very unlikely to stop a determined attack. Joerg Sprave made up some super lightweight needle shots for the HDS by using the cold steel mini broadheads for their blowgun. Most custom HDS ammo has the problem of using a huge slug to plug the end, and too heavy/thick of a spike. His were thin, and instead of a slug he used a tiny plastic cone to fill the barrel. He only had the seven J version and it was still hitting hard enough to stab up to the ass end into you. This would require a trip to the hospital, but it probably wouldn't kill or drop someone unless you were super lucky.
Oh here's an alternative no one's discussed- a Fire Extinguisher. They're actually much more effective than mace, which mostly relies on pain. A fire extinguisher literally makes it so the target cannot breathe. If they huff that gas in, they'll be coughing and choking for minutes while you beat them with a cricket bat or hurly or whatever you're allowed to have in your house. You gotta get the right kind obviously, but there's no amount of rage or drugs that makes you able to fight without oxygen.
A good crossbow is probably your best bet though.
>A home made musket or airgun would whoop ass and is pretty easy, but yknow the cops are coming for you after so that's not an option till you're ready to stage a revolution
I am not looking to do Cromwell 2 electric boogaloo any time soon so its not too much of a concern. In terms of homemade airguns what plans or designs would you suggest? Under the assumption I am an amateur regarding DIY.
>The airguns legal in UK can harm someone, but are very unlikely to stop a determined attack.
You are right in that regard, they have no true stopping power but they are lethal with eye or temple shots from what I am aware. Not that I would be able to do that in self defence in this country anyway as it would be considered excessive force even in a case of home invasion.
>Joerg Sprave made up some super lightweight needle shots for the HDS by using the cold steel mini broadheads for their blowgun.
I actually use to follow that guy back in the day, he did some great stuff but never really payed attention to some of his nore pseudo-lethal contraptions.
>Oh here's an alternative no one's discussed- a Fire Extinguisher.
That is pretty novel from a self defence perspective, it would be likely seen as not excessive force either as fire extinguishers are advised to be used in an event of terror attack in office spaces.
Just hop the boarder my nagger.
Moving out of UK is going to be your best choice. Why would you live there anyway?
Homemade laser weapons.
You have caught my attention, how would I go about doing something like that?
Go on ebay and search for "laser engraver head 40 watts". These are the most powerful diode lasers you can buy off the shelf, at about 8000 times more powerful than the laser pointers you can buy in shops. The power regulator and heat sink are included so you just need to provide the right voltage, and four 21700 lithium batteries wired together in series will provide enough voltage and current to power four engraver heads in parallel. These lasers usually have a fixed focal length of less than 5cm, so you'll need to put some additional lenses on the front to extend that out to infinity; you're going to have to read up on compound lens design and do some experimenting of your own to get it right. If the engravers come with safety glasses then don't use them, instead go to a proper site and buy some certified OD7 laser goggles so you don't burn your eyes out. This is an extremely dangerous DIY project so if any of that sounds too complicated for you then it's best you don't do it. None of what I've said up to this point is illegal, but using class 4 lasers on humans or animals would be extremely illegal, so don't do that. Keep it indoors and cover the windows when you test it.
As a project this does not sound too much out of scope from what I can do. I know basic electronics and I am aware about how fucking dangerous high powered lasers can be as I had to do some homework on buying a high powered as gift for a family member. The only thing I would be unsure about is the lenses themselves and adjusting them, but it would be a nice project to pursue as I am getting into making gunstocks anyway and making something for a laser power plant would be unique.
why don't you join the UK military then switch to US?