>Commanders hatch and sight apparently not there, top is basically flat >Smoke launchers either side of the barrel apparently not there, but hard to see in smoke >Barrel appears slimmer and the fume extractor looks different >With the turret to the side the back of the turret should extend quite a long way over the other side of the tank (pic related). Doesn't here
I don't think it's a chally.
>Maybe if the pajeets could go five seconds without spamming it, one of these threads could stay up, but they're paid by the post so that won't happen.
/thread
What I don't understand is that tiny losses of western equipment are paraded like some grand strategic victory by poos and russkies whilst we have literally thousands of examples of Russian equipment being destroyed, often catastrophically.
How don't they see the contradiction? The very fact these events are treated so differently should be eye-opening.
They literally cannot or can’t afford to because otherwise they’d be forced to accept that they’re shit, at war and geopolitics and improve themselves, and it’s much easier to pretend it’s all fine or someone else’s fault.
That and in cases like Russia, admitting they’re wrong could literally be a death sentence for their leaders, who’s entire power structure is based on an image of power.
i would look at the tiktok uploader's profile for context, and focus on the vehicle he's in while recording. i'm not gonna go out of my way to spell certain things out here because i'm on their side, but the circumstances of this guy being in this place under arty cast doubt on the arty having been persistent up til his arrival.
unconfirmed mbt losses (leos) are currently coming into the zig-oryx queue that look like possible matches for this engagement. might make it more obvious how they were hit.
that being said, i'm not nearly expert enough on surveying total wrecks of vehicles to know what exactly hit these. just meant to point out that the guy who captured the first reference vid we have wouldn't have been proceeding in a soft-skinned civvie vehicle had incoming been present the whole time. they're caught out after a lull (that or UA outgoing is falling catastrophically short, but we can rule that out bc nobody's still using tube arty like it's ww2 except russia)
war_noir's specialty is small arms, but he believes it's a CR2
https://archive.is/Qn6kL
The only hohol operator of Challenger 2 (the "elite" 82th trained in the UK) was only deployed to the front about a week ago.
there was some ambiguity about this. troops from 25 and 80 brigades trained on them at some point. this might have all been consolidated under 89 brigade. 89th clearly has most of the original inventory as of now, if not all.
>if you kill your enemies, they win
surely atacms will be the wunderwaffe that wins ukraine the war just like how storm shadow the hedgehog totally turned the tide.
MBTs are not wunderwaffe. PGMs that actually work aren't wunderwaffe either. weapons that do what they're supposed to do are not wunderwaffe. see
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i can kill more zigs by looking at satmaps and directing arty than 14 MBTs of any type ever could under the conditions of this war. with the best crews, they could expend all their available ammunition and not rack up a kill count on the order of what basic-bitch infantry are doing every day of the week.
besides, i can kill your whole pura with a couple vials of Hispanicy microbes, as long as i can get access to the municipal water supply.
killing is easy. killing with FEELING is the trick.
>ossinttechnical believes it's a CR2 and says it looks like a loss to indirect fire
i think hes only saying that because you can hear/see indirect fire in the video.
3 weeks ago
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i considered that first, but ultimately idfk and i'd rather just crowd-source a consensus from osint people even if they're being #first #to #publish neurotoxic carcinogenic twitterfags about it.
the density of wrecks and the sightlines of the road (iykyk - won't take more than 10min on a map to find) feel suggestive to me, like they might've been hit from close-range.
ironically some ex-intel guy who wanted to dissect the video, with a pretty big twitter following, immediately found his tweets flagged-for-review brigaded by fags so his thread was ruined. the remnants are here. missing part 4, and anything that might've come after part 6.
1 of 6(?) https://archive.is/d7LUH
2 of 6(?) https://archive.is/rY574
3 of 6(?) https://archive.is/iipXt
5 of 6(?) https://archive.is/8BJMS
6 of 6(?) https://archive.is/YU3Ch
he's mistaken about a couple of these notes, ex. there's a very hard to spot medical marking on 5. and i think t-series tank autists will dispute his "t80 type" label for whatever is on the right.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
interesting. thanks for the links
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Funny how the vatnik shills forget to mention the fucked up russian tank in the same video.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
that isnt a burnt out husk of a western tank and who gives a fuck about another russian tank loss
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Really sums up the war honestly
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
To be fair, the fact that it's green means it's significantly less fucked up than that Chally. Thing is toasty.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
maybe we will see some tank battle kino from drone. Also looks like ukrainians in normal pickup were recording so front must be further away
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>maybe we will see some tank battle kino from drone. Also looks like ukrainians in normal pickup were recording so front must be further away
Yeah, shills are trying to fix everyone's attention in the lost Challenger 2, but the video actually shows ukrainians advancing past neutralized russian vehicles and at least one tank.
THAT's the important part shills do not want people to notice.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Yeah, shills are trying to fix everyone's attention
They really really don;t like this judging by how much they are trying to post slide it
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O but it can easily be implemented, every IP address is already checked by the existing ban mechanism, already. The best think to do is just block IPs that post on 4chan from posting on other boards for 48 hours.
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You seem to be very into twitter and reddit. I only really use this site so don;t care about fucking twitter. 4chan was always intended to be containment to stop its raids from disrupting other boards, now with state and agency spammers the problems are more acute, like this board being raided and spammed with infinite challenged 2 threads by raiders today. Not for discussion, just spam and more than that controlled deluge spam to drown out any message that the spammers disagreed with That's censoring by flood volume of posts and that's why the best solution is to ban IPs that post on 4chan from posting on other boards for 48 hours.
>the best solution is to ban IPs that post on 4chan from posting on other boards for 48 hours
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>trying to post slide it
that's them being unable to not seethe and shitpost like they do 24/7 on 4chan
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
So...you could even try different random durations from 2-48 hours. If the IP has posted on pol its added to a clone of the exiting ban table. If the IP has posted on pol and it tries to post on another board its redirected to a page that says 'Fuck you you posted on 4chan please wait X number of hours before you can post on other boards. You may continue to post on your containment zone full of vatmorons, prajeets and retards if you wish"
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>close range tank v tank battles
Don't care whose side it is, or who wins, kino.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>caught from behind
does this stupid gay not know what a convoy is and that vehicles drive behind each other?
they're ukranian tanks of course they're not going to be staring at the fucking other ukrainian tank behind it
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I have no real idea who that tank belongs to, but I am fairly confident that tank is not a T-80, but a T-64 judging from the roadwheels?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
T64.
Cope.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Ukrainian T-64.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>ex-intel guy >David d
not ex intel and posts nonsense constantly. worst pro ukr shitter account by a Longshot
https://twitter.com/AFVRec_/status/1696597150312865883?t=hOz2Ujn9loihHyKV3_Q5Bw&s=19
also picrel is one of his maps.. enough said
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Looks like the average Russian milblog map
3 weeks ago
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holy fuck. good to know. haven't encountered him til today. guess i should've conditioned harder on his whining about being shadowbanned the very instant that he had some glitches with tweets rendering (which happens all the time now on nu-X).
Did ossinttechnical ever get a different platform account? I miss reading his shit, but I refuse to get a twitter account.
3 weeks ago
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>i spelled it wrong once >needed to self-reply but couldn't figure out why i wasn't seeing it with ctrl+f while a jeetpost per minute as adding to the thread >now you copypasted my misspelling haha
ok, i see that the zigs have correctly IDed the location and brigade now. CAST posted this information, of all channels. this is the russian RAND. talk about tacky stuff.
. note however that the map's author disagrees with the russian MOD's assessment regarding whether 82 brigade is under 10 corps. russians will be talking a lot about pushing back ukraine's "elite 10 AK" now in this context.
>challenger possibly taken out by tube artillery?
One thing that pisses me off about WinSPMBT is arty having a maximum armour penetration of 2 or maybe 3 in an otherwise realistic game
It results in a lot of obliterated APCs while the tanks suffer mobility kills at worst
>winspmbt
That game is fucking cancer and I have never been a fan of trying to poke a tank over a hill only for it to get react fired by an entire battalion. Fuck that waste of time
>davay davay [come on / let's go] >it's ok, keep going >look another tank got hit [referring to the t-whatever on the right] >oh blyat >gas bro go go go >that bitch got / hit me on the right >[calling to misha, who is riding in the bed?] >mishaaa you're good? >keep going
i've stopped even giving a shit for a bit. i'll herb replies to dogshit and try to gather up the threads for my own viewing sanity but it's clear there needs to be a PrepHolex filterset or browser extension. i think i'll fork one of the ones used for porn spam on other boards sometime
>i've stopped even giving a shit for a bit
But what did you use when you reported threads/posts that got nuked?
There isn't a "vatnik shill" option or a "4chan outside of 4chan" so I'm just wondering what Jannies like to get for these posts.
the very first thing in the dropdown. offtopic. "pol outside of pol" is what the "current events" notice in
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it's a longstanding norm for this board's inclusion/exclusion criteria that HAHAHA-posting and other trite bullshit – posts making passing reference to an event in the world while clearly making no effort to discuss weapons for their own sake – are current affairs fodder from poltards out of containment.
the same goes for procurement news / arms deals / other stories that are either circumstantially shallow (bc we have no info) or inherently shallow (bc there's nothing to be said). >x and y made a deal for three spaghettios launchers, signifying nothing whatsoever and nobody can be expected to draw broader conclusions from this. >>yeah
these are also pol threads.
i flag UA fanboys doing this shit as well, when they're being especially blatant about pushing stories that have no discussion potential like the zigs do. they should all stay in the cube, clawing each other to death.
and for comparison, here's a circumstantially shallow-ish thread of my own which i decided to go ahead and post on the basis that >it's an important project, if perhaps a boring one with a long time horizon >it's got plenty of public paper trail since DSEI 2021 >DSEI 2023 is right around the corner and the board has expressed interest in doing a thread on it, so we'll definitely expect to see this come up again shortly >it's ok to have descriptively bland, kinda "bad" threads sometimes when they're on-topic, like a warship is
was collateral damage of the initial deletion-wave. that was a perfectly reasonable thread.
itt i've linked the ukrainian combatant who is the ultimate source of the clip everyone is looking at. idk what more anyone could want in terms of provenance and justifying the discussion topic.
yes, "OH NO NO HATO SISTERS" threads will be eternal for weeks, but this is immaterial in the current context.
So how long do you think it'll be until flipped and desaturated versions of this pic gets spread around as multiple challenger hits? Also how long until it gets towed back and repaired by Ukraine?
the core group of russian autists who work on the Z counterpart to the oryx index are at least smart enough to understand that they need accurate loss counts to have a fighting chance of understanding how russia is doing in the war. they work in a couple obscure telegrams you can browse if you know where to find them. whenever anything like this comes up, i beeline to what they're saying because it'll track roughly with western osint claims, plus or minus some [c|h]opium. for instance they have an entire separate archive they use just to deal with the fucking Bradley Bonking Bin duplicates from a gorillion angles, and i get the sense they want partial zigger death for the people who publish new ones daily with the same intensity as ukrainians want TZD.
You even had Vatniks trying to apply the "cope cage" meme to anti drone nets the Ukrainians built around it like 3 weeks ago. They would not have bothered with that modification if they were not at risk of getting an fpv drone down the hatch.
That was Chally 2 on the front lines in combat. It's been used in combat since June.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
no there wasnt. we got a short clip of one being driven around on a road behind the frontlines, and the pic of one with a drone net over the top. this is the first we have seen them in actual combat
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
No it wasn't. It was reported to be in combat around Russian positions in June. This was the first time we have seen one destroyed after several months of combat operations.
You even had Vatniks trying to apply the "cope cage" meme to anti drone nets the Ukrainians built around it like 3 weeks ago. They would not have bothered with that modification if they were not at risk of getting an fpv drone down the hatch.
read the article
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
it literally just repeats what i said in my post. we had one video of them driving around and one with a cope cage.
if the challenger had been in combat before today, best believe the vatnigs and ukrainians would have been posting about it
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
No?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
yes?
>British Challenger 2 tanks have been spotted on the Ukrainian front line for the first time - as Russian helicopter attacks reportedly force Kyiv to pause their counter-offensive after at least 20 Western tanks and IFVs were destroyed.
>British-supplied Challenger 2 tanks have been spotted (pictured) on the front line for the first time in Ukraine
do you into reading comprehension, mr esl slav?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
the daily mail sourcing a video of a challenger driving around somewhere in ukraine =/= challenger 2 being used on the frontline. we know exactly when western stuff starts getting used because a flood of video evidence follows it within days of it being deployed. most recent example being the stryker
tanks blow up stop replying & embarrassing yourself
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Look all I'm saying is that it's embarrassing that nearly 50% of Russia's T-90M reserves have been depleted trying to contain the counteroffensyiv and that only 1(one) a single Challenger has been destroyed in response.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
ukraine is objectively shitting on Russia when it comes to equipment losses you don't need to make these weird comparisons with the t90m (used since basically the start of the war) and challenger 2 (deployed extremely recently). when you go further and fuck the numbers (50% is wrong) you come off as a pathetic retard who's just cheering for his favorite football team
Its impossible to tell what it is. I'll go with Orxys conclusion. I'm glad that jannies and mods are pruning the spam around this. Its simple. Ban IPs that post on 4chan from posting on other boards for 48 hours, this kills the shill end point IPs. It really is that simple..
>Ban IPs that post on 4chan from posting on other boards for 48 hours, this kills the shill end point IPs. It really is that simple.
that'd work for a few days to a week until they split traffic to different boards using a few lines of code or routing rules. They don't have a shortage of endpoints.
>>Ban IPs that post on 4chan from posting on other boards for 48 hours, this kills the shill end point IPs. It really is that simple. >that'd work for a few days to a week until they split traffic to different boards using a few lines of code or routing rules. They don't have a shortage of endpoints.
That would substantially cripple their efforts, The internationalised flag hopping VPNs used by state and quasi state shills do not have infinite end points and subnets available, quite the opposite and having to increase those to deal with this technique would add massively to the cost and complexity of shill operations, perhaps even to the point of making them non viable. They are the single greatest challenge to the limited individual freedom of speech (and unique content that brings forth) that this site can facilitate, via VPN flag hopping, persona software and simple deluge posting. Creating a simple redirected page that is low bandwidth and displays (you may not post to other boards for 48 hours after posting on pol) absolutely fucks them. The point of 4chan was containment, Well then, contain. The technological means is there.
>>Ban IPs that post on 4chan from posting on other boards for 48 hours, this kills the shill end point IPs. It really is that simple. >that'd work for a few days to a week until they split traffic to different boards using a few lines of code or routing rules. They don't have a shortage of endpoints.
That would substantially cripple their efforts, The internationalised flag hopping VPNs used by state and quasi state shills do not have infinite end points and subnets available, quite the opposite and having to increase those to deal with this technique would add massively to the cost and complexity of shill operations, perhaps even to the point of making them non viable. They are the single greatest challenge to the limited individual freedom of speech (and unique content that brings forth) that this site can facilitate, via VPN flag hopping, persona software and simple deluge posting. Creating a simple redirected page that is low bandwidth and displays (you may not post to other boards for 48 hours after posting on pol) absolutely fucks them. The point of 4chan was containment, Well then, contain. The technological means is there.
hey genius, they are not going to block the largest board on the site from crossposting and losing a ton of ad revenue. stop with this cope.
>hey genius, they are not going to block the largest board on the site from crossposting and losing a ton of ad revenue. stop with this cope.
Individual posters will just keep posting on 4chan or stay on homeboards. State spam LOOSES the boards revenue, it has cost. How many posters does 4chan even actuall have anyway? Post counts say high but what % of those are actually Russian bot farms/glavset/SEA/Serbfarm etc
These retards honestly think moot and the admins give a shit about 4chan posting in other boards. It's fucking hilarious how new they are. They want to be able to "block" meanie accounts like they do on Twitter lmao.
>These retards honestly think moot and the admins give a shit about 4chan posting in other boards. It's fucking hilarious how new they are. They want to be able to "block" meanie accounts like they do on Twitter lmao.
Why would you be worried about state run shills being shut down?
I don't give a fuck? People have been using PrepHole to shill since day 1 so why should I care if your totally state funded boogeyman are behind it? Don't like it? Filter it.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I don't give a fuck? People have been using PrepHole to shill since day 1 so why should I care if your totally state funded boogeyman are behind it? Don't like it? Filter it.
Ah muh unsubstantiated claims of oldfaggory as claim to authority. How about this. State spammers and shills undermine the profitability of this site by effectively using it as a content dump without paying for the bandwidth, There is no benifit to the site of facilitating state and quasi state spammers using flag and subnet hopping VPNs that spam the site, In fact it is why spamming is banned in the first place and why they must use those approaches. Simply blocking their endpoints (or subnets if necessary) subnets from posting on other boards would massively curtail the abuse of the site by state and quasi state actors. Only a state shill farm staffer try and stop that from occurring, 4chan was always intended to be containment., It was created as a containment board, so let it be one. Posters are not banned from posting just held there in 4chan for 48 hours and limited to posting there (they could even view other boards). It is a delightful solution
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Take your pills, schizo
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>That would substantially cripple their efforts, The internationalised flag hopping VPNs used by state and quasi state shills do not have infinite end points and subnets available, quite the opposite and having to increase those to deal with this technique would add massively to the cost and complexity of shill operations, perhaps even to the point of making them non viable. They are the single greatest challenge to the limited individual freedom of speech (and unique content that brings forth) that this site can facilitate, via VPN flag hopping, persona software and simple deluge posting. Creating a simple redirected page that is low bandwidth and displays (you may not post to other boards for 48 hours after posting on pol) absolutely fucks them. The point of 4chan was containment, Well then, contain.
>Ah muh unsubstantiated claims of oldfaggory as claim to authority. How about this. State spammers and shills undermine the profitability of this site by effectively using it as a content dump without paying for the bandwidth, There is no benifit to the site of facilitating state and quasi state spammers using flag and subnet hopping VPNs that spam the site, In fact it is why spamming is banned in the first place and why they must use those approaches. Simply blocking their endpoints (or subnets if necessary) subnets from posting on other boards would massively curtail the abuse of the site by state and quasi state actors. Only a state shill farm staffer try and stop that from occurring, 4chan was always intended to be containment., It was created as a containment board, so let it be one. Posters are not banned from posting just held there in 4chan for 48 hours and limited to posting there (they could even view other boards). It is a delightful solution
I'm staying with this...Ban IPs that post on 4chan from posting on other boards for 48 hours, this kills the shill end point IPs. It really is that simple.
>Ban IPs that post on 4chan from posting on other boards for 48 hours
Why does this upset you so much? It would only negatively effect state and quasi state spamming and shills.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
How about this, you filter and ignore posts you don't like, and PrepHole stays the way its been for nearly 20 years. It's what the rest of PrepHole has been doing ever since you fags started spamming your gayry about the Slavic Scuffle.
The vast majority of this site don't give a single iota of a fuck about Slavs killing each other on the other side of the planet, and all this so called "state sponsered spam" does nothing to the majority of the website beyond PrepHole and 4chan, so Hiroshimoot won't do anything. Stop taking the internet, and especially fucking PrepHole, so seriously and go touch grass.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Take your pills, schizo
Seems like you guys would be personally effected by that, huh?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
It wasn't pro-ukrainians who have been spamming PrepHole for a decade, you 4chanchud shill.
We got tired of your bullshit and now we celebrate seeing russians and third worlders get btfo just like you deserve.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
But 4chains has not stayed the same for 20 years and it has not stayed the same during that period. If it stayed the same 4chan would never have been created as containment at all. There are multiple indications in your post that you are also quite ne
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w to the site.
>all this so called "state sponsered spam" does nothing to the majority of the website beyond PrepHole and 4chan
Are you panicking a bit? Proof this is the correct medcine. 4chins has always had bans for spamming by the way.
>That would substantially cripple their efforts, The internationalised flag hopping VPNs used by state and quasi state shills do not have infinite end points and subnets available, quite the opposite and having to increase those to deal with this technique would add massively to the cost and complexity of shill operations, perhaps even to the point of making them non viable. They are the single greatest challenge to the limited individual freedom of speech (and unique content that brings forth) that this site can facilitate, via VPN flag hopping, persona software and simple deluge posting. Creating a simple redirected page that is low bandwidth and displays (you may not post to other boards for 48 hours after posting on pol) absolutely fucks them. The point of 4chan was containment, Well then, contain.
>Ah muh unsubstantiated claims of oldfaggory as claim to authority. How about this. State spammers and shills undermine the profitability of this site by effectively using it as a content dump without paying for the bandwidth, There is no benifit to the site of facilitating state and quasi state spammers using flag and subnet hopping VPNs that spam the site, In fact it is why spamming is banned in the first place and why they must use those approaches. Simply blocking their endpoints (or subnets if necessary) subnets from posting on other boards would massively curtail the abuse of the site by state and quasi state actors. Only a state shill farm staffer try and stop that from occurring, 4chan was always intended to be containment., It was created as a containment board, so let it be one. Posters are not banned from posting just held there in 4chan for 48 hours and limited to posting there (they could even view other boards). It is a delightful solution
I'm staying with this...Ban IPs that post on 4chan from posting on other boards for 48 hours, this kills the shill end point IPs. It really is that simple.
>an IPs that post on 4chan from posting on other boards for 48 hours, this kills the shill end point IPs. It really is that simple.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>/pol/'s based natsocs are now seen as traitors because they are on uke side >PrepHole hasn't changed in 20 years
lol, lmao even
>That would substantially cripple their efforts, The internationalised flag hopping VPNs used by state and quasi state shills do not have infinite end points and subnets available, quite the opposite and having to increase those to deal with this technique would add massively to the cost and complexity of shill operations, perhaps even to the point of making them non viable. They are the single greatest challenge to the limited individual freedom of speech (and unique content that brings forth) that this site can facilitate, via VPN flag hopping, persona software and simple deluge posting. Creating a simple redirected page that is low bandwidth and displays (you may not post to other boards for 48 hours after posting on pol) absolutely fucks them. The point of 4chan was containment, Well then, contain.
>Ah muh unsubstantiated claims of oldfaggory as claim to authority. How about this. State spammers and shills undermine the profitability of this site by effectively using it as a content dump without paying for the bandwidth, There is no benifit to the site of facilitating state and quasi state spammers using flag and subnet hopping VPNs that spam the site, In fact it is why spamming is banned in the first place and why they must use those approaches. Simply blocking their endpoints (or subnets if necessary) subnets from posting on other boards would massively curtail the abuse of the site by state and quasi state actors. Only a state shill farm staffer try and stop that from occurring, 4chan was always intended to be containment., It was created as a containment board, so let it be one. Posters are not banned from posting just held there in 4chan for 48 hours and limited to posting there (they could even view other boards). It is a delightful solution
I'm staying with this...Ban IPs that post on 4chan from posting on other boards for 48 hours, this kills the shill end point IPs. It really is that simple.
>That would substantially cripple their efforts, The internationalised flag hopping VPNs used by state and quasi state shills do not have infinite end points and subnets available, quite the opposite and having to increase those to deal with this technique would add massively to the cost and complexity of shill operations, perhaps even to the point of making them non viable. They are the single greatest challenge to the limited individual freedom of speech (and unique content that brings forth) that this site can facilitate, via VPN flag hopping, persona software and simple deluge posting. Creating a simple redirected page that is low bandwidth and displays (you may not post to other boards for 48 hours after posting on pol) absolutely fucks them. The point of 4chan was containment, Well then, contain.
>Ah muh unsubstantiated claims of oldfaggory as claim to authority. How about this. State spammers and shills undermine the profitability of this site by effectively using it as a content dump without paying for the bandwidth, There is no benifit to the site of facilitating state and quasi state spammers using flag and subnet hopping VPNs that spam the site, In fact it is why spamming is banned in the first place and why they must use those approaches. Simply blocking their endpoints (or subnets if necessary) subnets from posting on other boards would massively curtail the abuse of the site by state and quasi state actors. Only a state shill farm staffer try and stop that from occurring, 4chan was always intended to be containment., It was created as a containment board, so let it be one. Posters are not banned from posting just held there in 4chan for 48 hours and limited to posting there (they could even view other boards). It is a delightful solution
I'm staying with this...Ban IPs that post on 4chan from posting on other boards for 48 hours, this kills the shill end point IPs. It really is that simple.
The core idea has some merit, but the way you described it would do more harm than good in the big picture.
Similar idea, you say? One possibility would be to make ID tags persistent across threads and boards. On most boards the ID tags would generally not display, but if you recently posted to 4chan or /b/ or some other trouble spot, your unique ID would be displayed and people could publicly & directly surf the recent posts across boards.
Some modification to the report system might be in order to help out with other issues.
stop replying to 1pbtid shills holy fuck. the thread will be autosaging by the time any actual info can be offered up, then a dozen shill OH NO NO NO threads will replace it
Its impossible to tell what it is. I'll go with Orxys conclusion. I'm glad that jannies and mods are pruning the spam around this. Its simple. Ban IPs that post on 4chan from posting on other boards for 48 hours, this kills the shill end point IPs. It really is that simple..
>Ban IPs that post on 4chan from posting on other boards for 48 hours, this kills the shill end point IPs. It really is that simple..
What's disingenuous? Russians began using them in the opening stages of the war as a counter to Javelins and NLAWs that the Ukrainians had received. They were completely useless at this, hence the term "cope cages". The large scale usage of fpv drones to carry explosives didn't begin for months at least. In contrast to cope cages though, anti drone nets can be effective against fpv drones, and unlike top attack munitions, Russians do have access to FPV frones, so for Ukraine it's an effective defense and thus not really a "cope".
>nafo laughing at its implementation on russian armour calling it useless
"cope cage" predate NAFO as a term. The early ones were pretty clearly designed with anti-ATGM in mind (big meaty metal grates way above the top, some even including a coal furnace). Admittedly there was a lot of cases of "cope cage" applied to thin wire cages clearly intended for anti-drone purposes.
I suppose this was always going to happen, I do wonder what took it out though. My guess would be mines + artillery like most tank losses recently. Interesting to note that the turret remains attacked to the hull.
Plus by the looks of it blow out panels worked so the crew is probably still alive let's just hope it's recoverable and reparable due vid was taken by ukranians in the light car.
Fuck I hate to look though my photo folder but weren't challys that were spotted in ukrane painted black or other dark scheme due I think even the one with the cope cage was in a dark color
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I feel like Pic rel is relevant. >a Russian will see Ukraine using shit as fertilizer >then the Russian will bring up how everyone made fun of them for eating shit >this mildly vindicated the Russian who sees the west using shit for food >'truly we were innovators' says the Russian with the stain of shit on their lips
what is this fucking "recovery" meme? the thing is a fucking burnt out husk. its only value in "recovery" is as scrap steel. western tanks cant magically not be irreparably destroyed by fire.
I feel like Pic rel is relevant. >a Russian will see Ukraine using shit as fertilizer >then the Russian will bring up how everyone made fun of them for eating shit >this mildly vindicated the Russian who sees the west using shit for food >'truly we were innovators' says the Russian with the stain of shit on their lips
ideologues are playing 0-d chess when they celebrate an event like this. the loss of a challenger 2 on the eve of ukraine's m1a1 fleet becoming operational is all but perfect timing for biden and krauts to have their incentives align on long-range PGMs.
scholz has a red line of no taurus without atacams. ukraine losing the first CR2 hull from a nominal inventory is a strong incentive for the US to climb the escalation ladder one more rung, because the m1a1 is old as fuck and not all that likely to do much better than a challenger.
apart from the potential loss of the crew itself, it's just a bong beater tank. it's a tactically marginal hardware loss for a potentially substantial strategic gain.
ukies wouldve been able to take that territory without himars imo, yet said wunderwaffen has been utterly useless in this much hyped counter offensive. plus atacms are inferior to the storm shadows and they havent turned the tide either.
if you have air superiority tanks become completely irrelevant, but drone jamming tech will be essential for tanks in the coming age
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>if you have air superiority tanks become completely irrelevant
No?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
yes. if you are able to bomb with impunity having the best most greatest tank is irrelevant. because any enemy armor formation is going to be destroyed before they even get to it
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Ah yes that’s why everyone just stopped using tanks…wait
I can already see it >I don’t understand? >how come the bradley has seen such incredible success while the chally is already struggling in it’s first showing?
Fecking hell what hit it? Oh well it is what it is, it was going to happen just glad to see them finally getting used even if we only see the aftermath.
I heard the ukis themselves were the ones who originally shared this clip. Why though? What's the tactical advantage of posting your own loss and give your enemy a free damage assessment report?
Maybe they just don't view what might be the loss of a single specific tank they can have replaced as that big of a deal like russians do when they lose one of the relics of the USSR they built their "country" on.
That's exactly WHY he should send the list of subnets that are banned on 4chan to the likes of barracuda for addition to infosec blacklists. Its gold dust if you want to shut out the subnets of malicious state actors subnets.
>Too much work, just spam more ads and ignore complaints
Its not much work because the existing ban mechanism is already checking IP status. It is trivial to implement
But we also got the rout of Kyiv, the rout of Kharkiv, and the rout of Kherson as well as the destruction of 50% of the Soviet legacy armored corps. More than worth it to anyone who takes even a casual examination
One tank gets busted and pajeet thinks they've won the war. I wonder how many commit suicide every time an ACK-igator and it's pilots end up a burning wreck.
A lost Chally 2 due to mines or artillery is just a nothingburger. If at least there was footage of it being killed by another tank or something, it could be interesting, but this it's just noise by shills larping about the fall fo the West because one surplus tank was destroyed in combat. Yawn.
BTW I bet most or all of the crew survived, as the turret it's still on int unlike shitty russian cosmonaut tanks. That means that those guys will be back to killing russians in no time.
Ah yes, it is just a matter for them to drive back to base and jump into a new Challenger 2 tank and drive down the exact same road. The Russians already spent their artillery in that direction.
>it is just a matter for them to drive back to base and jump into a new Challenger 2 tank
Correct, that's how things work in a proper army instead of being sodomized or shoot by their superiors.
>On 4 September, a video emerged from Robotyne which showed the first combat loss of the Challenger 2, the day after the Ukrainian Air Assault Forces Command published the video.[72]
text attempts to smuggle the same amateur video from tiktok [0] thru atlas news, an independent milblog / happening outlet, in a quick blurb the site owner fired off.. embedding osinttechnical's repost [1] of [0]. at no point was this "Ukrainian Air Assault Forces Command" publishing a video. it was a random who will definitely face a disproportionate punishment for the crime of filming SHTF without realizing he was looking at the first combat loss of a CR2.
and throughout, they currently cite some other guy's repost of [0] as the main video. lol. zigs always complain about wikipedia being coopted by globohomo but the truth is that their epistemic standards as through the fucking floor -tier dogshit to the point that they can't productively contribute even on things they're enthusiastic about.
[0]
still waiting for more media of it, but both sides' osint bean counters are preliminarily IDing it as a challenger 2
ctrl + f: bandera borscht sauce source
https://tiktok.com/@vlad_os832/video/7274946549635976453
[1]
ossinttechnical believes it's a CR2 and says it looks like a loss to indirect fire
https://archive.is/pdIEo
>zigs always complain about wikipedia being coopted by globohomo
Which was ironic when wikipedia took at face value the number of russian tanks and planes in service according to official russian sources, only later to become evident those were pure fantasy once the war started
[...] >Ban IPs that post on 4chan from posting on other boards for 48 hours
Why does this upset you so much? It would only negatively effect state and quasi state spamming and shills.
>state and quasi state spamming and shills
Meds, now
Ah now you are trying to pretend there is no glavset or mass spamming. I think its you that needs the meds
>That would substantially cripple their efforts, The internationalised flag hopping VPNs used by state and quasi state shills do not have infinite end points and subnets available, quite the opposite and having to increase those to deal with this technique would add massively to the cost and complexity of shill operations, perhaps even to the point of making them non viable. They are the single greatest challenge to the limited individual freedom of speech (and unique content that brings forth) that this site can facilitate, via VPN flag hopping, persona software and simple deluge posting. Creating a simple redirected page that is low bandwidth and displays (you may not post to other boards for 48 hours after posting on pol) absolutely fucks them. The point of 4chan was containment, Well then, contain.
>Ah muh unsubstantiated claims of oldfaggory as claim to authority. How about this. State spammers and shills undermine the profitability of this site by effectively using it as a content dump without paying for the bandwidth, There is no benifit to the site of facilitating state and quasi state spammers using flag and subnet hopping VPNs that spam the site, In fact it is why spamming is banned in the first place and why they must use those approaches. Simply blocking their endpoints (or subnets if necessary) subnets from posting on other boards would massively curtail the abuse of the site by state and quasi state actors. Only a state shill farm staffer try and stop that from occurring, 4chan was always intended to be containment., It was created as a containment board, so let it be one. Posters are not banned from posting just held there in 4chan for 48 hours and limited to posting there (they could even view other boards). It is a delightful solution
I'm staying with this...Ban IPs that post on 4chan from posting on other boards for 48 hours, this kills the shill end point IPs. It really is that simple.
>Ban IPs that post on 4chan from posting on other boards for 48 hours, this kills the shill end point IPs.
There are no shills suddenly when there is a means to hamper the shills and the shills don;t like it. Such as banning IPs that post on 4chan from posting on other boards for 48 hours
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There are no shills suddenly when there is a means to hamper the shills and the shills don;t like it. Such as banning IPs that post on 4chan from posting on other boards for 48 hours
>banning IPs that post on 4chan from posting on other boards for 48 hours
This really fucking unnerves the shills for some reason. Incoherent rage of all varieties in response.
>Are you always repeating yourself over and over whenever you're mailding? >pathetic
[...] >Maybe they don't care because your state sponsored shill boogeyman don't exist.
Ah there are no shills now? Is that so. That's nice. No Russian Internet Research Agency, No glavset. The buildings are there. the staff are there but not in your parallel universe, at least not when a suggestion that would impede them is posted. Simply ban IPs that post on 4chan from posting on other boards for 48 hours.
>Simply ban IPs that post on 4chan from posting on other boards for 48 hours.
Does this idea upset you a great deal? Why when it would cripple cross posting state spammers?
>Maybe they don't care because your state sponsored shill boogeyman don't exist.
Ah there are no shills now? Is that so. That's nice. No Russian Internet Research Agency, No glavset. The buildings are there. the staff are there but not in your parallel universe, at least not when a suggestion that would impede them is posted. Simply ban IPs that post on 4chan from posting on other boards for 48 hours.
Do you know what's the thing with Russia? The only time their "endless waves" have ever worked was when western powers gave them the money and supply, either directly or through oil purchase, funny how your greatest time in the spot was because the West needed some cheap fuel, but as ever you screwed it up, you always do, either your socialist empire, your space program or any other attempt at aping civilization, so kiddo, now that you are 1 year away from burning up all the money Merkel naively gave to you in hopes you would change what do you think comes next?
Keep posting destroyed NATO equipment, we are already waiting for you spamming once you manage to knock out your first Abrams, it will change nothing, russian flesh is being turned into fertilizer even as we speak, keep throwing more and more until you have the drag the whores hiding in Moscow and Saint Petersburg, Russia will still fail, and this time there won't be anyone to save you.
>before this war everyone on this board shilled western mbts as absolutely invulnerable gods of war?
No? We're not simple minded turdworlders here or /v/ermin idiots. Military nerds know that tanks are a part of combined arms, and that's why we shit on dumb russians being killed when they do unsupported lone tank rushes.
No tank is invulnerable.
Well it won't kill revenue, in fact it will reduce costs by limiting spammers. Why was 4chan created? As containment. Make it containment. Post there and you are blocked from posting on other boards for 48 hours. Yes it will cripple state funded shills who predominately use their own internationalised exit point VPN networks (facilitating flag hopping etc). It will quarantine them to 4chan. Is 4chan profitable? Well. If you decide that the post count being elevated by tens of thousands of butt6on click persona posts in St.Petersberg, you may as well just generate your own fake posts, cheaper and easier on bandwidth, I find it fascinating that the obvious shills in this thread that came to spam and derail this board are panicking at the suggestion. That in its own right should tell you it is a good one. Its trivial to implement, saves on costs, improves board quality,. reduced the workload of mods and jannies, enhances the genuine freedom of expression and quality of content on the site and above all achieves what has always been desired, that 4chan is a containment board. Ban IPs that post on 4chan for 48 hours from posting on other boards.
It wouldn't work, anon. Besides banning cellphone operators from third world countries (already done), the VPN systems of those shill do too many jumps too quickly to be possible to ban ranges without banning also a lot of legit users.
There's a fuckton of US/EU flags who are actually from shithole countries.
How does setting up filters contain state shills and their cost to the site. Banning IPs that po9st on 4chan for 48 hours from posting on other boards is a wonderful solution.
>Why do 4chantards only communicate in screenshots and infographics? >Serious question
ESL and a lot of their responses are just suggestions from a database on theme of the day shit seeded back to fake and bullshit sites like zero hedge or RT or some tard on twitter. They have to maintain a quota of twitter identities, Facebook identities, fake news site posts etc etc. They are spamming their own teams created shit nearly all the time
>Why are you so obsessed about this one lost tank? >"HEH KEK, LOL LMAO THIS IS COPE KEK COPE HARDER ANGOLOID"
Honestly hard to tell if this kind of posting is the result of extreme butthurt, or just of tardy child logic where no matter how retarded you sound, response to you means you are validated as being right.
O but it can easily be implemented, every IP address is already checked by the existing ban mechanism, already. The best think to do is just block IPs that post on 4chan from posting on other boards for 48 hours.
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You seem to be very into twitter and reddit. I only really use this site so don;t care about fucking twitter. 4chan was always intended to be containment to stop its raids from disrupting other boards, now with state and agency spammers the problems are more acute, like this board being raided and spammed with infinite challenged 2 threads by raiders today. Not for discussion, just spam and more than that controlled deluge spam to drown out any message that the spammers disagreed with That's censoring by flood volume of posts and that's why the best solution is to ban IPs that post on 4chan from posting on other boards for 48 hours.
Possibly however he probably does care about costs and why should be subside the Russian government or any other organised mass shill/spam efforts? Secondly if he simply did not care at all. he would not own the site in the first place.
Imagine actually spending your days posting on fucking 4chan now. It's shitter than /b/ ever was now between the vatmoron talking points, schitzo boomers, tards and global south browns.
Nah that's not what's happening here in this thread. You just sound like a failed /bant/ poster desperate for (you)s who's new to the war and does not realise Russia is getting the shit kicked out of it because you live in Russian echo chambers.
Really bad English, obsessed with bongs.
I’d guess Indian. Russians are also obsessed with the Anglo Saxon menace but their style of bad English is very different as is their general posting style.
Poos sperg and seethe, vatniks bloviate and are smarmy
PrepHole has always been PrepHolehizophrenia. One of the namefags was tagging Schizomath around Atlanta until he got arrested for calling someone the Nigher word in a whole foods. There’s only a few good threads there, for truly dedicated autists, and really it’s just the one.
PrepHole has always been PrepHolehizophrenia. One of the namefags was tagging Schizomath around Atlanta until he got arrested for calling someone the Nigher word in a whole foods. There’s only a few good threads there, for truly dedicated autists, and really it’s just the one.
>PrepHole has always been PrepHolehizophrenia.
Nah it was actually high IQ once. Its absolute thrash now may as well be PrepHole again a ban on IPs that post on 4chan from posting on other boards for 48 hours may help it
2017 does not feel long ago for me. It was decent pre 2016. In fact PrepHole and PrepHole were once good as well and has some smart anons instead of just being further 4chan flavoured retardation
I can't wait for Iran being bombed in less than a decade or so.
This time the EU won't save you, and Israel and the US will make sure you keep being Saudi Arabia's bitches.
I'm not a bong, you really don;t get that I just like dead Russians and want to see people like you die as well. That does not imply some need to care much about bongs. I see no strong evidence this was a challenger though. I'll wait on oryx. I do think that to stop tarded 4chan crap raid spam and raids that people who post on 4chan should be blocked from posting on other boards for 48 hours
>He’s just obsessed with bongs, so everyone is so he can jack off
Probably wishes they were back in India running the railways or something however he needs those roubles to feed his leper village. if IPs that post on 4chan are blocked from posting on other boards for 48 hours his village might starve.
IPs that post on 4chan being blocked from posting on other boards for 48 hours is a bit like immigration controls and something old4chan should always in principle agree with.
4chan is mostly botted not shilled since it's high traffic and organic shills dont really have that much of an impact.You get more value for your money by shilling smaller board such as PrepHole
>4chan is mostly botted not shilled since it's high traffic and organic shills dont really have that much of an impact.You get more value for your money by shilling smaller board such as PrepHole
Either would be hampered by IP that post on pol being blocked from posting on other boards though especially for VPNs that have subnets internationalised all over the world as it would hugely increase infrastructure costs and complexity for spammers
>we have a real tank >he's talking about the leclerc
We're hitting critical levels of delusion holy fuck. Your tank is so fucking ASS you won't even send it to Ukraine.
>still hope people won't tell T models apart on photos
You vatnik shills are so bad at this. It's like you think you're dealing with FB boomers or retarded zoomers instead of the resident autists here that were already tired of your shit many years before this war started.
>Okay bro that initial push where they charged into a minefield. I saw the fucking videos, I don't feel like looking up the exact amount of leopards and Bradley's I saw in those videos. >Bradley's
There's a thread on visually confirmed losses. You wouldn't have to go far.
>The whether it was 30 or 20 in that video, my point remains and never depended on the exact number.
Situation changes greatly if you're talking about Bradley or Leopards. If you're talking about Bradley there were supposedly around 100 sent or being sent at the time when they started being lost, now I'm seeing 182. 20 or 30 leopards being lost at once would be huge. 20 or 30 Challenger 2 being lost should be impossible.
>You weren't even specific about the weapon systems being mentioned on the Russian side and neither was I.
Different anon.
>That's wherein lies my point and you're splitting hairs on the fact I didn't feel like going back and looking up the least important part of my point that I could've just said an unspecific amount (and now I wish I had)
The number brings a question of western willingness to replace them, vs Russian ability to do so. Being vague doesn't help.
Jesus fucking Christ, even 4chan shills are more sophisticated and witty than this. Just brain dead gloating about Ukies losing a single fucking tank and conveniently glossing over the ~40 lost arty pieces on Puccia's side. Now we need more angles and we have a repeat of the 'vehicle graveyard' from months ago.
even if those numbers are double the real ones, it still would be a catastrophic for Russia. They must be running on fumes, and it's no wonder that we see so much shilling directed at stopping western support of Ukraine.
The Ukie numbers are probably closer to the truth. They have absolutely no good reason to lie to their western allies, and especially glowies. Glowies, who will find out very fast and to a very high degree of accuracy about any lies. And might not be as willing to provide more support.
Puccia on the other hand has all the reasons in the world to lie. It's their MO.
>Check the arty numbers.
Oh yeah, it's been arty genocide for ages. If you can't get air superiority, get arty superiority instead and make do.
But this is a thread about tank loss apocalypse so the tank ratio is what is relevant here.
Two dozen trucks, many drones and half a thousand mobiks also died but they don't even rate a mention.
https://i.imgur.com/ZGFZC23.png
The bigger question the video raises is why the fuck is there a caravan on the frontlines?
>Glowies, who will find out very fast and to a very high degree of accuracy about any lies.
Why exactly will the glowies notify you about their findings?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
To put pressure on Ukies to do their fucking job. That being - killing ziggers and removing Puccia from the geopolitical map. So far they seem to be doing a good job.
If Zeleboba stole all 400 banan, sold off all the tortoise shells and fled to Polynesia, like zigger shills claim he did, Ukies wouldn't be doing so hot right now.
https://i.imgur.com/tG3Pj2n.jpg
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Here you dummy. Told you PrepHole jannies are on three letter agency payroll
https://i.imgur.com/RYBj4jK.jpg
I wasn't banned for racism, you dummy. It's was for "trolling" , can't admit the jannies are CIA agents. Besides how do you know I'm not black?
Quite the amount of proxies and VPNs you got there. Would make dodging bans and talking under a different flag a lot more easy. Lakhta pidorcomandors that don't speak english probably think this "quality" of shilling is them getting they're money's worth.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
As you are pointing out, Ukrainians and glowies have the common goal of killing as many Russians as possible.
Exposing Ukrainian lies would go directly against this goal, as it would sabotage support for Ukraine among the general population, potentially decreasing the amoung of gibes.
Therefore, it is in glowies best interest to help Ukrainians inflate the numbers, not expose them.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
That's assuming Ukies have juicy lies to expose. It's their homeland and they're fighting for their survival. They don't want to get 'Bucha'd'. Trying to have a squeaky clean record in the first place seems more plausible and sensible than covering up war crimes and corruption.
Again, if all those HIMARS trucks were sold off for a bottle of vodka each, why send Ukies more? If all those Bradleys are used to kill and raid their own villages, why send more?
The goal is the same, but it is achieved much more efficiently by doing things 'by the book', and not sending equipment to retards that'll just drive it off a ditch/ sell it off for vodka and salo/ kill of their own civvies and blame it on Puccians.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
The hell are you even talking about?
We are discussing glowies having no reason to expose Ukrainian claims of Russian losses as inflated, when suddenly you are going off about Bucha, war crimes, vodka and corruption.
Are you a fucking AI? Even GPT it's usually more coherent.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
We were discussing the fact that Ukies have no reason to lie to their western allies about anything, because that's a good way to cut your support. Not about inflating Puccian casualties.
Imagine being that fucking delusional, and thinking multiply enemy losses by 10 to calm down your population under everyday rocket barrages have "no good reason". And thinking west wouldn't do the same, to show how ukrainians are "totally winning". On an ape like you we see how this propaganda works.
The world's 2nd military superpower just crushed cockholes in Robytne. After homerically laughing at them for hours, Russians advanced backwards. Confused, vodka and salo addled hoholes retreated after them.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>We were discussing the fact that Ukies have no reason to lie to their western allies about anything
Do you not see the difference between things told to allies (as in, politicians and contacts in military) and publicly disclosed data?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>proxies, vpns
Lmao. I just have to walk a few feet and my phone connects to a different cell tower. Have fun trying to ban all the IP addresses Verizon uses in New garden gnome City.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>vatnik >anti american >Hispanic living in the US
of course
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Hispanic
That's pretty racist. I'm "Italian", you dumb garden gnome.
>New garden gnome City >still living there
I bet u on Brighton lol
West village, thanks to my tax evading ancestors
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I love these maymays. Anyway, all you fucks should fuck off to 4chan
3 weeks ago
sage
>New garden gnome City >still living there
I bet u on Brighton lol
Imagine being that fucking delusional, and thinking multiply enemy losses by 10 to calm down your population under everyday rocket barrages have "no good reason". And thinking west wouldn't do the same, to show how ukrainians are "totally winning". On an ape like you we see how this propaganda works.
Trolling is also a bannable offence, so they had a good selection to pick from. So is ban evasion. I think responding to trolls is as well though, so I'll probably get hit.
>proxies, vpns
Lmao. I just have to walk a few feet and my phone connects to a different cell tower. Have fun trying to ban all the IP addresses Verizon uses in New garden gnome City.
nope. In the destroyed picture the turret stops right at the side of the tank. On the real tank, with the turret pointed to the side, the back of the turret sticks out a long way past the side of the hull. Where is the back half of the turret gay?
>Commanders hatch and sight apparently not there, top is basically flat >Smoke launchers either side of the barrel apparently not there, but hard to see in smoke >Barrel appears slimmer and the fume extractor looks different >With the turret to the side the back of the turret should extend quite a long way over the other side of the tank (pic related). Doesn't here
I don't think it's a chally.
Where is the back of the turret gay?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Everyone laugh at this anon
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
You have nothing. It's not a challenger.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>British news source that’s been following the 82nd for months
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/09/05/ukraine-has-lost-its-first-challenger-2-tank/?sh=23dd13c865f9
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I don't give a fuck what Forbes says. They're just parroting other people. Address the actual evidence. Why is the turret in the picture half the size of the real challenger's if it is indeed one?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/09/05/ukraine-has-lost-its-first-challenger-2-tank/?sh=23dd13c865f9
I'm not even disputing the Chally 2 kill but David Axe is the absolute retard who back in 2015 wrote about the F-35 report where it "lost" to a F-16 in a dogfight but didn't read the last few pages where the F-35 test pilot pretty much said "yeah lol give it a software update for the control laws".
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Nigel is having a rough time
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Until you can tell me why the turret is half the size it should be the I'm winning this one gay.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
No blowout panels. Shame they overlooked this feature in the design phase
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
It's a very neat silhouette for something that's literally had the back blown off it.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Just add it to the list of flaws
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
No gay. If it blew off the back then it should all be twisted to fuck. Not still all neat and boxy.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Your feelings are hurt because the challenger got wrecked before killing anything on video. That’s not my problem
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
You have nothing gay. Your bullshit falls flat. Come back when you kill a real one. If you ever do.
This retard calls it a "damaged" tank when the cupola structure blew off and the suspension/wheels melted, so forgive me if what I take what he says with a grain of salt
appears to be a challenger 2
oh noes
>Commanders hatch and sight apparently not there, top is basically flat
>Smoke launchers either side of the barrel apparently not there, but hard to see in smoke
>Barrel appears slimmer and the fume extractor looks different
>With the turret to the side the back of the turret should extend quite a long way over the other side of the tank (pic related). Doesn't here
I don't think it's a chally.
I think the commander's hatch is just obscured by the smoke coming out of it.
The turret not overhanging the side of the tank is pretty decisive.
>Barrel is smooth metal
>No sign of the ribbed barrel sleeve that's securely clipped on to it, not even remains
sus
These aren’t valid observations
Why is that?
mass brit suicides
Maybe if the pajeets could go five seconds without spamming it, one of these threads could stay up, but they're paid by the post so that won't happen.
That'll never happen since poltards love to spam shit
Even if a thread stays up they'll just shit it up until it gets deleted.
>Maybe if the pajeets could go five seconds without spamming it, one of these threads could stay up, but they're paid by the post so that won't happen.
/thread
What I don't understand is that tiny losses of western equipment are paraded like some grand strategic victory by poos and russkies whilst we have literally thousands of examples of Russian equipment being destroyed, often catastrophically.
How don't they see the contradiction? The very fact these events are treated so differently should be eye-opening.
They literally cannot or can’t afford to because otherwise they’d be forced to accept that they’re shit, at war and geopolitics and improve themselves, and it’s much easier to pretend it’s all fine or someone else’s fault.
That and in cases like Russia, admitting they’re wrong could literally be a death sentence for their leaders, who’s entire power structure is based on an image of power.
still waiting for more media of it, but both sides' osint bean counters are preliminarily IDing it as a challenger 2
ctrl + f: bandera borscht sauce source
https://tiktok.com/@vlad_os832/video/7274946549635976453
you can hear and see arty strike still happening in the video
challenger possibly taken out by tube artillery?
it really is the god of war
i would look at the tiktok uploader's profile for context, and focus on the vehicle he's in while recording. i'm not gonna go out of my way to spell certain things out here because i'm on their side, but the circumstances of this guy being in this place under arty cast doubt on the arty having been persistent up til his arrival.
so what would you deem the cause? ATGM? there are at least 3 tanks in the column that are present and disabled at the very least
unconfirmed mbt losses (leos) are currently coming into the zig-oryx queue that look like possible matches for this engagement. might make it more obvious how they were hit.
that being said, i'm not nearly expert enough on surveying total wrecks of vehicles to know what exactly hit these. just meant to point out that the guy who captured the first reference vid we have wouldn't have been proceeding in a soft-skinned civvie vehicle had incoming been present the whole time. they're caught out after a lull (that or UA outgoing is falling catastrophically short, but we can rule that out bc nobody's still using tube arty like it's ww2 except russia)
ossinttechnical believes it's a CR2 and says it looks like a loss to indirect fire
https://archive.is/pdIEo
war_noir's specialty is small arms, but he believes it's a CR2
https://archive.is/Qn6kL
there was some ambiguity about this. troops from 25 and 80 brigades trained on them at some point. this might have all been consolidated under 89 brigade. 89th clearly has most of the original inventory as of now, if not all.
MBTs are not wunderwaffe. PGMs that actually work aren't wunderwaffe either. weapons that do what they're supposed to do are not wunderwaffe. see
.
i can kill more zigs by looking at satmaps and directing arty than 14 MBTs of any type ever could under the conditions of this war. with the best crews, they could expend all their available ammunition and not rack up a kill count on the order of what basic-bitch infantry are doing every day of the week.
besides, i can kill your whole pura with a couple vials of Hispanicy microbes, as long as i can get access to the municipal water supply.
killing is easy. killing with FEELING is the trick.
>ossinttechnical believes it's a CR2 and says it looks like a loss to indirect fire
i think hes only saying that because you can hear/see indirect fire in the video.
i considered that first, but ultimately idfk and i'd rather just crowd-source a consensus from osint people even if they're being #first #to #publish neurotoxic carcinogenic twitterfags about it.
the density of wrecks and the sightlines of the road (iykyk - won't take more than 10min on a map to find) feel suggestive to me, like they might've been hit from close-range.
ironically some ex-intel guy who wanted to dissect the video, with a pretty big twitter following, immediately found his tweets flagged-for-review brigaded by fags so his thread was ruined. the remnants are here. missing part 4, and anything that might've come after part 6.
1 of 6(?) https://archive.is/d7LUH
2 of 6(?) https://archive.is/rY574
3 of 6(?) https://archive.is/iipXt
5 of 6(?) https://archive.is/8BJMS
6 of 6(?) https://archive.is/YU3Ch
he's mistaken about a couple of these notes, ex. there's a very hard to spot medical marking on 5. and i think t-series tank autists will dispute his "t80 type" label for whatever is on the right.
interesting. thanks for the links
Funny how the vatnik shills forget to mention the fucked up russian tank in the same video.
that isnt a burnt out husk of a western tank and who gives a fuck about another russian tank loss
Really sums up the war honestly
To be fair, the fact that it's green means it's significantly less fucked up than that Chally. Thing is toasty.
maybe we will see some tank battle kino from drone. Also looks like ukrainians in normal pickup were recording so front must be further away
>maybe we will see some tank battle kino from drone. Also looks like ukrainians in normal pickup were recording so front must be further away
Yeah, shills are trying to fix everyone's attention in the lost Challenger 2, but the video actually shows ukrainians advancing past neutralized russian vehicles and at least one tank.
THAT's the important part shills do not want people to notice.
>Yeah, shills are trying to fix everyone's attention
They really really don;t like this judging by how much they are trying to post slide it
>the best solution is to ban IPs that post on 4chan from posting on other boards for 48 hours
>trying to post slide it
that's them being unable to not seethe and shitpost like they do 24/7 on 4chan
So...you could even try different random durations from 2-48 hours. If the IP has posted on pol its added to a clone of the exiting ban table. If the IP has posted on pol and it tries to post on another board its redirected to a page that says 'Fuck you you posted on 4chan please wait X number of hours before you can post on other boards. You may continue to post on your containment zone full of vatmorons, prajeets and retards if you wish"
>close range tank v tank battles
Don't care whose side it is, or who wins, kino.
>caught from behind
does this stupid gay not know what a convoy is and that vehicles drive behind each other?
they're ukranian tanks of course they're not going to be staring at the fucking other ukrainian tank behind it
I have no real idea who that tank belongs to, but I am fairly confident that tank is not a T-80, but a T-64 judging from the roadwheels?
T64.
Cope.
Ukrainian T-64.
>ex-intel guy
>David d
not ex intel and posts nonsense constantly. worst pro ukr shitter account by a Longshot
https://twitter.com/AFVRec_/status/1696597150312865883?t=hOz2Ujn9loihHyKV3_Q5Bw&s=19
also picrel is one of his maps.. enough said
Looks like the average Russian milblog map
holy fuck. good to know. haven't encountered him til today. guess i should've conditioned harder on his whining about being shadowbanned the very instant that he had some glitches with tweets rendering (which happens all the time now on nu-X).
Did ossinttechnical ever get a different platform account? I miss reading his shit, but I refuse to get a twitter account.
>i spelled it wrong once
>needed to self-reply but couldn't figure out why i wasn't seeing it with ctrl+f while a jeetpost per minute as adding to the thread
>now you copypasted my misspelling haha
linktr
.ee/osinttechnical
autosage time
ok, i see that the zigs have correctly IDed the location and brigade now. CAST posted this information, of all channels. this is the russian RAND. talk about tacky stuff.
>ok, i see that the zigs have correctly IDed the location and brigade now.
What is the location and brigade?
find 82nd on this
. note however that the map's author disagrees with the russian MOD's assessment regarding whether 82 brigade is under 10 corps. russians will be talking a lot about pushing back ukraine's "elite 10 AK" now in this context.
>challenger possibly taken out by tube artillery?
One thing that pisses me off about WinSPMBT is arty having a maximum armour penetration of 2 or maybe 3 in an otherwise realistic game
It results in a lot of obliterated APCs while the tanks suffer mobility kills at worst
>winspmbt
That game is fucking cancer and I have never been a fan of trying to poke a tank over a hill only for it to get react fired by an entire battalion. Fuck that waste of time
Not entirely unrealistic, just doesn't work too well for small scenarios
fucking hell that convoy got hit hard
>convoy
You think lost vehicles despawn or something?
anyone on hand to translate what they are saying in the vid?
extremely poor gist:
>davay davay [come on / let's go]
>it's ok, keep going
>look another tank got hit [referring to the t-whatever on the right]
>oh blyat
>gas bro go go go
>that bitch got / hit me on the right
>[calling to misha, who is riding in the bed?]
>mishaaa you're good?
>keep going
thanks. i did think from the way the guy was groaning at the end that he caught some shrapnel from that arty shell going off
>äää
What are the selections you use for reporting shill spam?
i've stopped even giving a shit for a bit. i'll herb replies to dogshit and try to gather up the threads for my own viewing sanity but it's clear there needs to be a PrepHolex filterset or browser extension. i think i'll fork one of the ones used for porn spam on other boards sometime
>i've stopped even giving a shit for a bit
But what did you use when you reported threads/posts that got nuked?
There isn't a "vatnik shill" option or a "4chan outside of 4chan" so I'm just wondering what Jannies like to get for these posts.
the very first thing in the dropdown. offtopic. "pol outside of pol" is what the "current events" notice in
means.
it's a longstanding norm for this board's inclusion/exclusion criteria that HAHAHA-posting and other trite bullshit – posts making passing reference to an event in the world while clearly making no effort to discuss weapons for their own sake – are current affairs fodder from poltards out of containment.
the same goes for procurement news / arms deals / other stories that are either circumstantially shallow (bc we have no info) or inherently shallow (bc there's nothing to be said).
>x and y made a deal for three spaghettios launchers, signifying nothing whatsoever and nobody can be expected to draw broader conclusions from this.
>>yeah
these are also pol threads.
i flag UA fanboys doing this shit as well, when they're being especially blatant about pushing stories that have no discussion potential like the zigs do. they should all stay in the cube, clawing each other to death.
and for comparison, here's a circumstantially shallow-ish thread of my own which i decided to go ahead and post on the basis that
>it's an important project, if perhaps a boring one with a long time horizon
>it's got plenty of public paper trail since DSEI 2021
>DSEI 2023 is right around the corner and the board has expressed interest in doing a thread on it, so we'll definitely expect to see this come up again shortly
>it's ok to have descriptively bland, kinda "bad" threads sometimes when they're on-topic, like a warship is
Yep, that's a destroyed Challenger 2. Shit happens in war.
I wonder what hit it.
>I wonder what hit it.
Are there any A-10s currently deployed to Poland or Romania?
Nothing. The in built tea kettle ignited the ammo resulting in a catastrophic loss. Massive design flaw.....
Yeah and for some reason it made the turret shrink massively...
>le jannies are garden gnomes even though the board keeps getting spammed with damn near the same exact thread
White moron tier behavior
then why cant they leave a single thread of it up?
its the first challenger ever destroyed in combat. how does it not qualify for discussion?
no question that
was collateral damage of the initial deletion-wave. that was a perfectly reasonable thread.
itt i've linked the ukrainian combatant who is the ultimate source of the clip everyone is looking at. idk what more anyone could want in terms of provenance and justifying the discussion topic.
yes, "OH NO NO HATO SISTERS" threads will be eternal for weeks, but this is immaterial in the current context.
So how long do you think it'll be until flipped and desaturated versions of this pic gets spread around as multiple challenger hits? Also how long until it gets towed back and repaired by Ukraine?
Its completely burned out so its unlikely to be salvageable.
the core group of russian autists who work on the Z counterpart to the oryx index are at least smart enough to understand that they need accurate loss counts to have a fighting chance of understanding how russia is doing in the war. they work in a couple obscure telegrams you can browse if you know where to find them. whenever anything like this comes up, i beeline to what they're saying because it'll track roughly with western osint claims, plus or minus some [c|h]opium. for instance they have an entire separate archive they use just to deal with the fucking Bradley Bonking Bin duplicates from a gorillion angles, and i get the sense they want partial zigger death for the people who publish new ones daily with the same intensity as ukrainians want TZD.
Repaired? Are you retarded or just coping? The only use for it now is to smelt the metal.
>Challenger 2
>Blowout panels
Dumb fucking moron
The challenger 2 is poorly designed for not having blowout panels. A literal deathtrap
>towed back and repaired by Ukraine?
Subtle
>Also how long until it gets towed back and repaired by Ukraine?
how the hell would Ukraine repair a Challenger even if it was repairable?
Total combat loss
so your telling me that this tank can survive 500 RPG 7 hits in Iraq but burst into flames probably within a week of deployment in ukraine?
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'ate me chancer uvva X checkers
luv me nan
70 RPG hits
simple as
It's been operating in Ukraine for months though.
It was held in reserve with the 82nd until now
no it hasn't
Yes it has. Since at least June.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12208757/British-Challenger-Two-tanks-seen-Ukrainian-line-time.html
You even had Vatniks trying to apply the "cope cage" meme to anti drone nets the Ukrainians built around it like 3 weeks ago. They would not have bothered with that modification if they were not at risk of getting an fpv drone down the hatch.
chally 2 in ukraine =/= ukraine deploying chally 2.
we saw brads in ukraine back in April but they started using them on June 4th or 5th or whatever
That was Chally 2 on the front lines in combat. It's been used in combat since June.
no there wasnt. we got a short clip of one being driven around on a road behind the frontlines, and the pic of one with a drone net over the top. this is the first we have seen them in actual combat
No it wasn't. It was reported to be in combat around Russian positions in June. This was the first time we have seen one destroyed after several months of combat operations.
may i see it?
post your source.
read the article
it literally just repeats what i said in my post. we had one video of them driving around and one with a cope cage.
if the challenger had been in combat before today, best believe the vatnigs and ukrainians would have been posting about it
No?
yes?
>British Challenger 2 tanks have been spotted on the Ukrainian front line for the first time - as Russian helicopter attacks reportedly force Kyiv to pause their counter-offensive after at least 20 Western tanks and IFVs were destroyed.
>British-supplied Challenger 2 tanks have been spotted (pictured) on the front line for the first time in Ukraine
do you into reading comprehension, mr esl slav?
the daily mail sourcing a video of a challenger driving around somewhere in ukraine =/= challenger 2 being used on the frontline. we know exactly when western stuff starts getting used because a flood of video evidence follows it within days of it being deployed. most recent example being the stryker
tanks blow up stop replying & embarrassing yourself
Look all I'm saying is that it's embarrassing that nearly 50% of Russia's T-90M reserves have been depleted trying to contain the counteroffensyiv and that only 1(one) a single Challenger has been destroyed in response.
ukraine is objectively shitting on Russia when it comes to equipment losses you don't need to make these weird comparisons with the t90m (used since basically the start of the war) and challenger 2 (deployed extremely recently). when you go further and fuck the numbers (50% is wrong) you come off as a pathetic retard who's just cheering for his favorite football team
The only hohol operator of Challenger 2 (the "elite" 82th trained in the UK) was only deployed to the front about a week ago.
>82th
You need to get a refund from your ESL tutor, Ranjeet
An rpg7 isn't knocking out any modern tank. Even a t90.
If you want threads like this to stay up you should learn to stop spamming things to trash the board.
>all but one of them are attention-seeking gayry
sasuga chugmorons
>abrams remains not only the best looking tank but also the only one to not get destroyed in the war
americans can't stop winning!!!!
>Ignoring Aramta's perfect combat record
armata ugly!! stinky!!
Australians destroyed one.
Hey now go easy, that was taken out by boomer in a caravan.
Few things on the road are more dangerous.
This boards moderation is excellent. If you need a vatmoron echo chamber fuck off back to /chug
Its impossible to tell what it is. I'll go with Orxys conclusion. I'm glad that jannies and mods are pruning the spam around this. Its simple. Ban IPs that post on 4chan from posting on other boards for 48 hours, this kills the shill end point IPs. It really is that simple..
>Ban IPs that post on 4chan from posting on other boards for 48 hours, this kills the shill end point IPs. It really is that simple.
that'd work for a few days to a week until they split traffic to different boards using a few lines of code or routing rules. They don't have a shortage of endpoints.
>>Ban IPs that post on 4chan from posting on other boards for 48 hours, this kills the shill end point IPs. It really is that simple.
>that'd work for a few days to a week until they split traffic to different boards using a few lines of code or routing rules. They don't have a shortage of endpoints.
That would substantially cripple their efforts, The internationalised flag hopping VPNs used by state and quasi state shills do not have infinite end points and subnets available, quite the opposite and having to increase those to deal with this technique would add massively to the cost and complexity of shill operations, perhaps even to the point of making them non viable. They are the single greatest challenge to the limited individual freedom of speech (and unique content that brings forth) that this site can facilitate, via VPN flag hopping, persona software and simple deluge posting. Creating a simple redirected page that is low bandwidth and displays (you may not post to other boards for 48 hours after posting on pol) absolutely fucks them. The point of 4chan was containment, Well then, contain. The technological means is there.
hey genius, they are not going to block the largest board on the site from crossposting and losing a ton of ad revenue. stop with this cope.
>hey genius, they are not going to block the largest board on the site from crossposting and losing a ton of ad revenue. stop with this cope.
Individual posters will just keep posting on 4chan or stay on homeboards. State spam LOOSES the boards revenue, it has cost. How many posters does 4chan even actuall have anyway? Post counts say high but what % of those are actually Russian bot farms/glavset/SEA/Serbfarm etc
These retards honestly think moot and the admins give a shit about 4chan posting in other boards. It's fucking hilarious how new they are. They want to be able to "block" meanie accounts like they do on Twitter lmao.
>These retards honestly think moot and the admins give a shit about 4chan posting in other boards. It's fucking hilarious how new they are. They want to be able to "block" meanie accounts like they do on Twitter lmao.
Why would you be worried about state run shills being shut down?
I don't give a fuck? People have been using PrepHole to shill since day 1 so why should I care if your totally state funded boogeyman are behind it? Don't like it? Filter it.
>I don't give a fuck? People have been using PrepHole to shill since day 1 so why should I care if your totally state funded boogeyman are behind it? Don't like it? Filter it.
Ah muh unsubstantiated claims of oldfaggory as claim to authority. How about this. State spammers and shills undermine the profitability of this site by effectively using it as a content dump without paying for the bandwidth, There is no benifit to the site of facilitating state and quasi state spammers using flag and subnet hopping VPNs that spam the site, In fact it is why spamming is banned in the first place and why they must use those approaches. Simply blocking their endpoints (or subnets if necessary) subnets from posting on other boards would massively curtail the abuse of the site by state and quasi state actors. Only a state shill farm staffer try and stop that from occurring, 4chan was always intended to be containment., It was created as a containment board, so let it be one. Posters are not banned from posting just held there in 4chan for 48 hours and limited to posting there (they could even view other boards). It is a delightful solution
Take your pills, schizo
>Ban IPs that post on 4chan from posting on other boards for 48 hours
Why does this upset you so much? It would only negatively effect state and quasi state spamming and shills.
How about this, you filter and ignore posts you don't like, and PrepHole stays the way its been for nearly 20 years. It's what the rest of PrepHole has been doing ever since you fags started spamming your gayry about the Slavic Scuffle.
The vast majority of this site don't give a single iota of a fuck about Slavs killing each other on the other side of the planet, and all this so called "state sponsered spam" does nothing to the majority of the website beyond PrepHole and 4chan, so Hiroshimoot won't do anything. Stop taking the internet, and especially fucking PrepHole, so seriously and go touch grass.
Seems like you guys would be personally effected by that, huh?
It wasn't pro-ukrainians who have been spamming PrepHole for a decade, you 4chanchud shill.
We got tired of your bullshit and now we celebrate seeing russians and third worlders get btfo just like you deserve.
But 4chains has not stayed the same for 20 years and it has not stayed the same during that period. If it stayed the same 4chan would never have been created as containment at all. There are multiple indications in your post that you are also quite ne
w to the site.
>all this so called "state sponsered spam" does nothing to the majority of the website beyond PrepHole and 4chan
Are you panicking a bit? Proof this is the correct medcine. 4chins has always had bans for spamming by the way.
>an IPs that post on 4chan from posting on other boards for 48 hours, this kills the shill end point IPs. It really is that simple.
>/pol/'s based natsocs are now seen as traitors because they are on uke side
>PrepHole hasn't changed in 20 years
lol, lmao even
>That would substantially cripple their efforts, The internationalised flag hopping VPNs used by state and quasi state shills do not have infinite end points and subnets available, quite the opposite and having to increase those to deal with this technique would add massively to the cost and complexity of shill operations, perhaps even to the point of making them non viable. They are the single greatest challenge to the limited individual freedom of speech (and unique content that brings forth) that this site can facilitate, via VPN flag hopping, persona software and simple deluge posting. Creating a simple redirected page that is low bandwidth and displays (you may not post to other boards for 48 hours after posting on pol) absolutely fucks them. The point of 4chan was containment, Well then, contain.
>Ah muh unsubstantiated claims of oldfaggory as claim to authority. How about this. State spammers and shills undermine the profitability of this site by effectively using it as a content dump without paying for the bandwidth, There is no benifit to the site of facilitating state and quasi state spammers using flag and subnet hopping VPNs that spam the site, In fact it is why spamming is banned in the first place and why they must use those approaches. Simply blocking their endpoints (or subnets if necessary) subnets from posting on other boards would massively curtail the abuse of the site by state and quasi state actors. Only a state shill farm staffer try and stop that from occurring, 4chan was always intended to be containment., It was created as a containment board, so let it be one. Posters are not banned from posting just held there in 4chan for 48 hours and limited to posting there (they could even view other boards). It is a delightful solution
I'm staying with this...Ban IPs that post on 4chan from posting on other boards for 48 hours, this kills the shill end point IPs. It really is that simple.
The core idea has some merit, but the way you described it would do more harm than good in the big picture.
Similar idea, you say? One possibility would be to make ID tags persistent across threads and boards. On most boards the ID tags would generally not display, but if you recently posted to 4chan or /b/ or some other trouble spot, your unique ID would be displayed and people could publicly & directly surf the recent posts across boards.
Some modification to the report system might be in order to help out with other issues.
No this is not an echo chamber which is why your pointless retarded spamming is getting trimmed. Feel free to fuck off.
stop replying to 1pbtid shills holy fuck. the thread will be autosaging by the time any actual info can be offered up, then a dozen shill OH NO NO NO threads will replace it
how fucking new r u
No reply as expected.
>Ban IPs that post on 4chan from posting on other boards for 48 hours, this kills the shill end point IPs. It really is that simple..
So we're memoryholing all the boasting about they can stop Javelins pre-invasion, to the points hohols had to fire a Javelin at one back in 2021?
What's disingenuous? Russians began using them in the opening stages of the war as a counter to Javelins and NLAWs that the Ukrainians had received. They were completely useless at this, hence the term "cope cages". The large scale usage of fpv drones to carry explosives didn't begin for months at least. In contrast to cope cages though, anti drone nets can be effective against fpv drones, and unlike top attack munitions, Russians do have access to FPV frones, so for Ukraine it's an effective defense and thus not really a "cope".
>what do you mean we're supposed to stay in our containment board?
>nafo laughing at its implementation on russian armour calling it useless
"cope cage" predate NAFO as a term. The early ones were pretty clearly designed with anti-ATGM in mind (big meaty metal grates way above the top, some even including a coal furnace). Admittedly there was a lot of cases of "cope cage" applied to thin wire cages clearly intended for anti-drone purposes.
I suppose this was always going to happen, I do wonder what took it out though. My guess would be mines + artillery like most tank losses recently. Interesting to note that the turret remains attacked to the hull.
Plus by the looks of it blow out panels worked so the crew is probably still alive let's just hope it's recoverable and reparable due vid was taken by ukranians in the light car.
It's burned black as coal my guy
Fuck I hate to look though my photo folder but weren't challys that were spotted in ukrane painted black or other dark scheme due I think even the one with the cope cage was in a dark color
The challies are painted pretty dark but that said the billowing black smoke doesn't lie, it's burning good
what is this fucking "recovery" meme? the thing is a fucking burnt out husk. its only value in "recovery" is as scrap steel. western tanks cant magically not be irreparably destroyed by fire.
Challenger 2 absolutely do not have blowout panels and ammunition is stored in the turret with the rest of the crew
Crew inside sipping on a cup of tea
Turret facing to the side, indicates it was engaging something at the time?
I feel like Pic rel is relevant.
>a Russian will see Ukraine using shit as fertilizer
>then the Russian will bring up how everyone made fun of them for eating shit
>this mildly vindicated the Russian who sees the west using shit for food
>'truly we were innovators' says the Russian with the stain of shit on their lips
ideologues are playing 0-d chess when they celebrate an event like this. the loss of a challenger 2 on the eve of ukraine's m1a1 fleet becoming operational is all but perfect timing for biden and krauts to have their incentives align on long-range PGMs.
scholz has a red line of no taurus without atacams. ukraine losing the first CR2 hull from a nominal inventory is a strong incentive for the US to climb the escalation ladder one more rung, because the m1a1 is old as fuck and not all that likely to do much better than a challenger.
apart from the potential loss of the crew itself, it's just a bong beater tank. it's a tactically marginal hardware loss for a potentially substantial strategic gain.
>if you kill your enemies, they win
surely atacms will be the wunderwaffe that wins ukraine the war just like how storm shadow the hedgehog totally turned the tide.
HIMARS/m270 has so far been an actual wunderwaff which allowed Ukraine to take kherson and kharkiv. I doubt giving it a range boost would hurt.
ukies wouldve been able to take that territory without himars imo, yet said wunderwaffen has been utterly useless in this much hyped counter offensive. plus atacms are inferior to the storm shadows and they havent turned the tide either.
The fuck are you talking about they’ve been taking land for weeks
Russia has culminated again.
>totally turned the tide
What tide? Ukraine is winning so weapons don't turn any tides
>not all that likely to do much better than a challenger.
in the age of ATGMs and drone guided arty all tanks are nothing but coffins. the abrahams will literally fare no better than anything else
That’s literally only the case if you lack air superiority or good drone jammers
guess what, ukraine has neither of those things
>no good drone jammers
Ahahahahaha
if you have air superiority tanks become completely irrelevant, but drone jamming tech will be essential for tanks in the coming age
>if you have air superiority tanks become completely irrelevant
No?
yes. if you are able to bomb with impunity having the best most greatest tank is irrelevant. because any enemy armor formation is going to be destroyed before they even get to it
Ah yes that’s why everyone just stopped using tanks…wait
>abrahams
too obvious
I can't wait for the thousands of warriortard threads this will spawn
I can already see it
>I don’t understand?
>how come the bradley has seen such incredible success while the chally is already struggling in it’s first showing?
Fecking hell what hit it? Oh well it is what it is, it was going to happen just glad to see them finally getting used even if we only see the aftermath.
Looks like a burning tank, somewhere outdoors.
I heard the ukis themselves were the ones who originally shared this clip. Why though? What's the tactical advantage of posting your own loss and give your enemy a free damage assessment report?
I’m guessing that means they are somewhere the Russian don’t want them to be.
Because they’d being screeching about it anyway?
This entire war has been soldiers uploading footage of themselves getting fucked so it must be working.
Maybe once it gets geolocated the Russians are in for a bad surprise?
Maybe they just don't view what might be the loss of a single specific tank they can have replaced as that big of a deal like russians do when they lose one of the relics of the USSR they built their "country" on.
If they used challengers to break through then that's kino as fuck
That's exactly WHY he should send the list of subnets that are banned on 4chan to the likes of barracuda for addition to infosec blacklists. Its gold dust if you want to shut out the subnets of malicious state actors subnets.
>Too much work, just spam more ads and ignore complaints
Its not much work because the existing ban mechanism is already checking IP status. It is trivial to implement
Gosh darnit!
He's not wrong, it does outmatch Russian armour. It just doesn't outmatch Russian artillery.
But it does not outmatch aviation, drones and mines.
Wow tanks can be destroyed?
>telegraph
But we also got the rout of Kyiv, the rout of Kharkiv, and the rout of Kherson as well as the destruction of 50% of the Soviet legacy armored corps. More than worth it to anyone who takes even a casual examination
all before this much hyped and western funded "counter offensive". i remember you fags saying that you'd be in Crimea by September lol
No but you love repeating that, paid by the post or by replies?
I remember you fags saying you'd capitulate Ukraine by the end of February 2022
>50%
That's rather hopeful really at this stage.
Copium
You mean the singular defensive line, because russia put all it's eggs in that one basket.
You keep spamming this shit as if anyone will suddenly believe you
But seriously Ukies claimed that they would get to Tacmak and they are still far from it.
No but you like repeating it
>MUH NONE LOST TO ENEMY FIRE!
SOMEONE UPDATE THE WIKIPEDIA!
Now posts Russian stats
I fucking hate indians. like irrationally at this point.
One tank gets busted and pajeet thinks they've won the war. I wonder how many commit suicide every time an ACK-igator and it's pilots end up a burning wreck.
He’s going all out for the (you)s now, smug anime post and everything, they got a template for you guys?
i accept your concession
>60+ posts in half an hour
I like how you have too phrase it like that to mean anything lel
Do you intentionally want to look retarded or is that genuine?
Well I heard it was 10 but maybe they donated more after.
Alright I looked it up and Britain donated 14 tanks to Ukraine. So one loss is 7% of donated British tanks.
Now post Russian losses
>So one loss is 7% of donated British tanks.
And that's relevant, how?
A lost Chally 2 due to mines or artillery is just a nothingburger. If at least there was footage of it being killed by another tank or something, it could be interesting, but this it's just noise by shills larping about the fall fo the West because one surplus tank was destroyed in combat. Yawn.
BTW I bet most or all of the crew survived, as the turret it's still on int unlike shitty russian cosmonaut tanks. That means that those guys will be back to killing russians in no time.
Ah yes, it is just a matter for them to drive back to base and jump into a new Challenger 2 tank and drive down the exact same road. The Russians already spent their artillery in that direction.
>it is just a matter for them to drive back to base and jump into a new Challenger 2 tank
Correct, that's how things work in a proper army instead of being sodomized or shoot by their superiors.
I find it funny how screaming cope has actually become a coping mechanism for you fags
Why is this so important for you?
why is it to you? you be coping hard about your shit tank right now
Anon you’re screaming about them loosing one tank as if it’s the end of days, why?
>On 4 September, a video emerged from Robotyne which showed the first combat loss of the Challenger 2, the day after the Ukrainian Air Assault Forces Command published the video.[72]
text attempts to smuggle the same amateur video from tiktok [0] thru atlas news, an independent milblog / happening outlet, in a quick blurb the site owner fired off.. embedding osinttechnical's repost [1] of [0]. at no point was this "Ukrainian Air Assault Forces Command" publishing a video. it was a random who will definitely face a disproportionate punishment for the crime of filming SHTF without realizing he was looking at the first combat loss of a CR2.
and throughout, they currently cite some other guy's repost of [0] as the main video. lol. zigs always complain about wikipedia being coopted by globohomo but the truth is that their epistemic standards as through the fucking floor -tier dogshit to the point that they can't productively contribute even on things they're enthusiastic about.
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>zigs always complain about wikipedia being coopted by globohomo
Which was ironic when wikipedia took at face value the number of russian tanks and planes in service according to official russian sources, only later to become evident those were pure fantasy once the war started
>state and quasi state spamming and shills
Meds, now
Ah now you are trying to pretend there is no glavset or mass spamming. I think its you that needs the meds
>Ban IPs that post on 4chan from posting on other boards for 48 hours, this kills the shill end point IPs.
Anon you seem to be incredibly emotional right now, why?
There are no shills suddenly when there is a means to hamper the shills and the shills don;t like it. Such as banning IPs that post on 4chan from posting on other boards for 48 hours
I know I just love when they can’t respond to a post or just scream at you
>banning IPs that post on 4chan from posting on other boards for 48 hours
This really fucking unnerves the shills for some reason. Incoherent rage of all varieties in response.
Are you always repeating yourself over and over whenever you're mailding?
pathetic
>Are you always repeating yourself over and over whenever you're mailding?
>pathetic
>Simply ban IPs that post on 4chan from posting on other boards for 48 hours.
Does this idea upset you a great deal? Why when it would cripple cross posting state spammers?
You guys really need to space this out more too easy to spot.
>he just admits it
Jesus I hope you aren’t being paid
>Maybe they don't care because your state sponsored shill boogeyman don't exist.
Ah there are no shills now? Is that so. That's nice. No Russian Internet Research Agency, No glavset. The buildings are there. the staff are there but not in your parallel universe, at least not when a suggestion that would impede them is posted. Simply ban IPs that post on 4chan from posting on other boards for 48 hours.
Whining about reddit is the mark of the newfag and election tourist trying to fit in (and probably banned from reddit, too)
Real oldfags do not give a shit besides when they were annoyed by redditors stealing PrepHole memes a decade ago.
>he actually is Indian
What the fuck I thought it was a meme?
This war will end like the finnish winter war and neither side will achieve their goals.
I have spoken.
Do you know what's the thing with Russia? The only time their "endless waves" have ever worked was when western powers gave them the money and supply, either directly or through oil purchase, funny how your greatest time in the spot was because the West needed some cheap fuel, but as ever you screwed it up, you always do, either your socialist empire, your space program or any other attempt at aping civilization, so kiddo, now that you are 1 year away from burning up all the money Merkel naively gave to you in hopes you would change what do you think comes next?
Keep posting destroyed NATO equipment, we are already waiting for you spamming once you manage to knock out your first Abrams, it will change nothing, russian flesh is being turned into fertilizer even as we speak, keep throwing more and more until you have the drag the whores hiding in Moscow and Saint Petersburg, Russia will still fail, and this time there won't be anyone to save you.
Now go die in a trench for your oligarchs boy.
>you are indian?
>i'm not a bongaloid though
That literally implies you're Indian and you're too ESL to realise it.
He could be iranian. There's at least one iranian shill in PrepHole and those hate the UK as much as the indians or the russians schizos
>retroactively setting up strawmen to btfo
umm zigger bros??
Not my problem but I'm gonna masturbate to it anyway, get fucked perfidious albinon
>before this war everyone on this board shilled western mbts as absolutely invulnerable gods of war?
No? We're not simple minded turdworlders here or /v/ermin idiots. Military nerds know that tanks are a part of combined arms, and that's why we shit on dumb russians being killed when they do unsupported lone tank rushes.
No tank is invulnerable.
Well it won't kill revenue, in fact it will reduce costs by limiting spammers. Why was 4chan created? As containment. Make it containment. Post there and you are blocked from posting on other boards for 48 hours. Yes it will cripple state funded shills who predominately use their own internationalised exit point VPN networks (facilitating flag hopping etc). It will quarantine them to 4chan. Is 4chan profitable? Well. If you decide that the post count being elevated by tens of thousands of butt6on click persona posts in St.Petersberg, you may as well just generate your own fake posts, cheaper and easier on bandwidth, I find it fascinating that the obvious shills in this thread that came to spam and derail this board are panicking at the suggestion. That in its own right should tell you it is a good one. Its trivial to implement, saves on costs, improves board quality,. reduced the workload of mods and jannies, enhances the genuine freedom of expression and quality of content on the site and above all achieves what has always been desired, that 4chan is a containment board. Ban IPs that post on 4chan for 48 hours from posting on other boards.
It wouldn't work, anon. Besides banning cellphone operators from third world countries (already done), the VPN systems of those shill do too many jumps too quickly to be possible to ban ranges without banning also a lot of legit users.
There's a fuckton of US/EU flags who are actually from shithole countries.
My state is essentially banned from posting on PrepHole due to range bans kek
I honestly don't know why they just don't set up filters. Is it really that hard to the average newfag or something?
How does setting up filters contain state shills and their cost to the site. Banning IPs that po9st on 4chan for 48 hours from posting on other boards is a wonderful solution.
Why didn't they activate the sniper mode?
Why do 4chantards only communicate in screenshots and infographics?
Serious question
So they do t have to think and it feeds into their obsession of secret knowledge
>Why do 4chantards only communicate in screenshots and infographics?
>Serious question
ESL and a lot of their responses are just suggestions from a database on theme of the day shit seeded back to fake and bullshit sites like zero hedge or RT or some tard on twitter. They have to maintain a quota of twitter identities, Facebook identities, fake news site posts etc etc. They are spamming their own teams created shit nearly all the time
>Why are you so obsessed about this one lost tank?
>"HEH KEK, LOL LMAO THIS IS COPE KEK COPE HARDER ANGOLOID"
Honestly hard to tell if this kind of posting is the result of extreme butthurt, or just of tardy child logic where no matter how retarded you sound, response to you means you are validated as being right.
It's both. Those turdworlders are butthurt about our superiority and see war and military vehicles in videogame terms
Lmao that pause in responses, they’re considering abandoning ship
What's there to add? You're embarrassing yourself without any outside help lol
Haha u mad bro
>since very little people give a shit about Ukraine
Oh hey this lie again
>if one side of sympathies is contained to one board and the other is here, what do you call that anon?
4chan and not-/pol/
O but it can easily be implemented, every IP address is already checked by the existing ban mechanism, already. The best think to do is just block IPs that post on 4chan from posting on other boards for 48 hours.
You seem to be very into twitter and reddit. I only really use this site so don;t care about fucking twitter. 4chan was always intended to be containment to stop its raids from disrupting other boards, now with state and agency spammers the problems are more acute, like this board being raided and spammed with infinite challenged 2 threads by raiders today. Not for discussion, just spam and more than that controlled deluge spam to drown out any message that the spammers disagreed with That's censoring by flood volume of posts and that's why the best solution is to ban IPs that post on 4chan from posting on other boards for 48 hours.
You don’t seem to understand
moronmoot literally could not care less, he might as well not exist
Possibly however he probably does care about costs and why should be subside the Russian government or any other organised mass shill/spam efforts? Secondly if he simply did not care at all. he would not own the site in the first place.
The Ukrainians left the kettle on
Imagine actually spending your days posting on fucking 4chan now. It's shitter than /b/ ever was now between the vatmoron talking points, schitzo boomers, tards and global south browns.
Nah that's not what's happening here in this thread. You just sound like a failed /bant/ poster desperate for (you)s who's new to the war and does not realise Russia is getting the shit kicked out of it because you live in Russian echo chambers.
Really bad English, obsessed with bongs.
I’d guess Indian. Russians are also obsessed with the Anglo Saxon menace but their style of bad English is very different as is their general posting style.
Poos sperg and seethe, vatniks bloviate and are smarmy
I'm pretty sure he's iranian. Those hate the UK more than pajeets and vatniks
Ah I understand now
/int/
Or PrepHole even, it’s all garbage now
PrepHole has always been PrepHolehizophrenia. One of the namefags was tagging Schizomath around Atlanta until he got arrested for calling someone the Nigher word in a whole foods. There’s only a few good threads there, for truly dedicated autists, and really it’s just the one.
>Or PrepHole even, it’s all garbage now
>PrepHole has always been PrepHolehizophrenia.
Nah it was actually high IQ once. Its absolute thrash now may as well be PrepHole again a ban on IPs that post on 4chan from posting on other boards for 48 hours may help it
When was PrepHole good? I started going there in like 2017 or something and it was shit
2017 does not feel long ago for me. It was decent pre 2016. In fact PrepHole and PrepHole were once good as well and has some smart anons instead of just being further 4chan flavoured retardation
I can't wait for Iran being bombed in less than a decade or so.
This time the EU won't save you, and Israel and the US will make sure you keep being Saudi Arabia's bitches.
>ESL projecting this hard
When did pajeets get so uppity?
>seething about bongs this hard
Definitely indian
I'm not a bong, you really don;t get that I just like dead Russians and want to see people like you die as well. That does not imply some need to care much about bongs. I see no strong evidence this was a challenger though. I'll wait on oryx. I do think that to stop tarded 4chan crap raid spam and raids that people who post on 4chan should be blocked from posting on other boards for 48 hours
He’s just obsessed with bongs, so everyone is so he can jack off
>He’s just obsessed with bongs, so everyone is so he can jack off
Probably wishes they were back in India running the railways or something however he needs those roubles to feed his leper village. if IPs that post on 4chan are blocked from posting on other boards for 48 hours his village might starve.
>meme non-answer
Definitely a shitskin who's too ashamed to even announce his country of origin
>he’s French
Ah that makes sense
Hey…French wine ain’t shit now bro
>french
probably a seething argentinian-french tankie or north african.
I’m American retard
Nice oblast, does it have its own leper colony?
California yes
>everyone but you is British
Based, THE SUN NEVER SETS
>I can’t work at night
Are you actually retarded?
IPs that post on 4chan being blocked from posting on other boards for 48 hours is a bit like immigration controls and something old4chan should always in principle agree with.
4chan is mostly botted not shilled since it's high traffic and organic shills dont really have that much of an impact.You get more value for your money by shilling smaller board such as PrepHole
>4chan is mostly botted not shilled since it's high traffic and organic shills dont really have that much of an impact.You get more value for your money by shilling smaller board such as PrepHole
Either would be hampered by IP that post on pol being blocked from posting on other boards though especially for VPNs that have subnets internationalised all over the world as it would hugely increase infrastructure costs and complexity for spammers
Is this at least funny to you?
>we have a real tank
>he's talking about the leclerc
We're hitting critical levels of delusion holy fuck. Your tank is so fucking ASS you won't even send it to Ukraine.
See
GOOD MOANING SIRS! RUSSIA IS THE MOST STRONK! INDIA SUPERPOWER 2020!
That can absolutely be considered and offensive, just a really lame one. Last meaty offensive we got this war was Kharkiv.
So this isn’t even enjoyable to you? The fuck is wrong with you?
Flesh wound. One paint job and it'll be like new. Definitely not a loss. Challenger is still undefeated.
PrepHole is about american gun nuts and military nerds, so illiterate turdworlder 4chan shills like you out yourselves with every post
bong here, glad to see 'em in use 🙂 hope the chaps inside got out okay
>oh no
There's more from where that one came from.
BTW nice video showing ukies advancing past russian positions.
I didn't tell you that it could handle mines, tho.
>I've never been to 4chan
>still hope people won't tell T models apart on photos
You vatnik shills are so bad at this. It's like you think you're dealing with FB boomers or retarded zoomers instead of the resident autists here that were already tired of your shit many years before this war started.
So you're just pulling information out of your ass?
>physiquefag
lol, I remember you. Go to bed and stop posting stolen selfies from gay porn actors
It's a bad picture, could be anything. Need a better one before you can confirm anything.
Challenger being destroyed without doing anything of note is pretty funny
>Okay bro that initial push where they charged into a minefield. I saw the fucking videos, I don't feel like looking up the exact amount of leopards and Bradley's I saw in those videos.
>Bradley's
There's a thread on visually confirmed losses. You wouldn't have to go far.
>The whether it was 30 or 20 in that video, my point remains and never depended on the exact number.
Situation changes greatly if you're talking about Bradley or Leopards. If you're talking about Bradley there were supposedly around 100 sent or being sent at the time when they started being lost, now I'm seeing 182. 20 or 30 leopards being lost at once would be huge. 20 or 30 Challenger 2 being lost should be impossible.
>You weren't even specific about the weapon systems being mentioned on the Russian side and neither was I.
Different anon.
>That's wherein lies my point and you're splitting hairs on the fact I didn't feel like going back and looking up the least important part of my point that I could've just said an unspecific amount (and now I wish I had)
The number brings a question of western willingness to replace them, vs Russian ability to do so. Being vague doesn't help.
Show posts you got banned for.
Jesus fucking Christ, even 4chan shills are more sophisticated and witty than this. Just brain dead gloating about Ukies losing a single fucking tank and conveniently glossing over the ~40 lost arty pieces on Puccia's side. Now we need more angles and we have a repeat of the 'vehicle graveyard' from months ago.
What's the latest update on Russian tanks lost in the last 24 hours?
All worth for that one chally. 69D chess.
even if those numbers are double the real ones, it still would be a catastrophic for Russia. They must be running on fumes, and it's no wonder that we see so much shilling directed at stopping western support of Ukraine.
The Ukie numbers are probably closer to the truth. They have absolutely no good reason to lie to their western allies, and especially glowies. Glowies, who will find out very fast and to a very high degree of accuracy about any lies. And might not be as willing to provide more support.
Puccia on the other hand has all the reasons in the world to lie. It's their MO.
Check the arty numbers.
>Check the arty numbers.
Oh yeah, it's been arty genocide for ages. If you can't get air superiority, get arty superiority instead and make do.
But this is a thread about tank loss apocalypse so the tank ratio is what is relevant here.
Two dozen trucks, many drones and half a thousand mobiks also died but they don't even rate a mention.
Isn't that just a minivan?
>Glowies, who will find out very fast and to a very high degree of accuracy about any lies.
Why exactly will the glowies notify you about their findings?
To put pressure on Ukies to do their fucking job. That being - killing ziggers and removing Puccia from the geopolitical map. So far they seem to be doing a good job.
If Zeleboba stole all 400 banan, sold off all the tortoise shells and fled to Polynesia, like zigger shills claim he did, Ukies wouldn't be doing so hot right now.
Quite the amount of proxies and VPNs you got there. Would make dodging bans and talking under a different flag a lot more easy. Lakhta pidorcomandors that don't speak english probably think this "quality" of shilling is them getting they're money's worth.
As you are pointing out, Ukrainians and glowies have the common goal of killing as many Russians as possible.
Exposing Ukrainian lies would go directly against this goal, as it would sabotage support for Ukraine among the general population, potentially decreasing the amoung of gibes.
Therefore, it is in glowies best interest to help Ukrainians inflate the numbers, not expose them.
That's assuming Ukies have juicy lies to expose. It's their homeland and they're fighting for their survival. They don't want to get 'Bucha'd'. Trying to have a squeaky clean record in the first place seems more plausible and sensible than covering up war crimes and corruption.
Again, if all those HIMARS trucks were sold off for a bottle of vodka each, why send Ukies more? If all those Bradleys are used to kill and raid their own villages, why send more?
The goal is the same, but it is achieved much more efficiently by doing things 'by the book', and not sending equipment to retards that'll just drive it off a ditch/ sell it off for vodka and salo/ kill of their own civvies and blame it on Puccians.
The hell are you even talking about?
We are discussing glowies having no reason to expose Ukrainian claims of Russian losses as inflated, when suddenly you are going off about Bucha, war crimes, vodka and corruption.
Are you a fucking AI? Even GPT it's usually more coherent.
We were discussing the fact that Ukies have no reason to lie to their western allies about anything, because that's a good way to cut your support. Not about inflating Puccian casualties.
The world's 2nd military superpower just crushed cockholes in Robytne. After homerically laughing at them for hours, Russians advanced backwards. Confused, vodka and salo addled hoholes retreated after them.
>We were discussing the fact that Ukies have no reason to lie to their western allies about anything
Do you not see the difference between things told to allies (as in, politicians and contacts in military) and publicly disclosed data?
>proxies, vpns
Lmao. I just have to walk a few feet and my phone connects to a different cell tower. Have fun trying to ban all the IP addresses Verizon uses in New garden gnome City.
>vatnik
>anti american
>Hispanic living in the US
of course
>Hispanic
That's pretty racist. I'm "Italian", you dumb garden gnome.
West village, thanks to my tax evading ancestors
I love these maymays. Anyway, all you fucks should fuck off to 4chan
>New garden gnome City
>still living there
I bet u on Brighton lol
Imagine being that fucking delusional, and thinking multiply enemy losses by 10 to calm down your population under everyday rocket barrages have "no good reason". And thinking west wouldn't do the same, to show how ukrainians are "totally winning". On an ape like you we see how this propaganda works.
>9:1 tank ratio
Damn.
Here you dummy. Told you PrepHole jannies are on three letter agency payroll
Racism is a bannable offence.
I wasn't banned for racism, you dummy. It's was for "trolling" , can't admit the jannies are CIA agents. Besides how do you know I'm not black?
Trolling is also a bannable offence, so they had a good selection to pick from. So is ban evasion. I think responding to trolls is as well though, so I'll probably get hit.
>I wasn't banned for racism, you dummy. It's was for "trolling"
Don't troll outside of /b/.
Stating facts is now considered trolling? Lmao, quite the bunch of softies you got in here.
The bigger question the video raises is why the fuck is there a caravan on the frontlines?
You mean between 5am and 6am UK time there weren't many British posts? I am am shocked.
janny damagecontrolling real hard
challenger gone
what next for NAFO wunderwaffe?
>Turret doesn't match the real tank
But of course you're still going to keep spamming it anyway aren't you.
It’s a perfect match. Challenger 2 has been destroyed in combat. The training wheels are off
nope. In the destroyed picture the turret stops right at the side of the tank. On the real tank, with the turret pointed to the side, the back of the turret sticks out a long way past the side of the hull. Where is the back half of the turret gay?
overdose on cope
see
Where is the back of the turret gay?
Everyone laugh at this anon
You have nothing. It's not a challenger.
>British news source that’s been following the 82nd for months
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/09/05/ukraine-has-lost-its-first-challenger-2-tank/?sh=23dd13c865f9
I don't give a fuck what Forbes says. They're just parroting other people. Address the actual evidence. Why is the turret in the picture half the size of the real challenger's if it is indeed one?
>https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/09/05/ukraine-has-lost-its-first-challenger-2-tank/?sh=23dd13c865f9
I'm not even disputing the Chally 2 kill but David Axe is the absolute retard who back in 2015 wrote about the F-35 report where it "lost" to a F-16 in a dogfight but didn't read the last few pages where the F-35 test pilot pretty much said "yeah lol give it a software update for the control laws".
Nigel is having a rough time
Until you can tell me why the turret is half the size it should be the I'm winning this one gay.
No blowout panels. Shame they overlooked this feature in the design phase
It's a very neat silhouette for something that's literally had the back blown off it.
Just add it to the list of flaws
No gay. If it blew off the back then it should all be twisted to fuck. Not still all neat and boxy.
Your feelings are hurt because the challenger got wrecked before killing anything on video. That’s not my problem
You have nothing gay. Your bullshit falls flat. Come back when you kill a real one. If you ever do.
lmao this is gold
Thank you.
God I can’t wait until we hit the bartering stage
>The training wheels are off
T-the eyebrow is r-raising...?
Congratulations, you destroyed a Challenger 2 after several months of it being in service.
Tanks (2289, of which destroyed: 1481, damaged: 129, abandoned: 132, captured: 549)
Wish this board had flags so I could see how mad bongs are
All the crew survived
https://twitter.com/bealejonathan/status/1699013379375915349
This retard calls it a "damaged" tank when the cupola structure blew off and the suspension/wheels melted, so forgive me if what I take what he says with a grain of salt
Going to get drunk today for the glory of Russia!
>turret still attached to hull
>all crew survived
huh, interesting