>unable to defend it
anon come now, surely you know more about the Spanish conquest than that
the Spanish played every trick in the book, by the time their armies showed up, they had already subverted most empires in the region and set them against one another.
The vast, vast majority of the killing was done by disease or by native peoples coerced by the Spanish into killing their rivals on the other side of the mountains. Once all sides were war-exhausted and unable to put up much resistance, the Spanish came in and wiped the rest out.
I can admire their tactics from a purely psychopathic "well shit, that was a very effective if cruel play" perspective, but the Spanish deserve no credit at all as military conquerors. They just don't, they were subversive little rats.
>as opposed to what?
glorious Evropean conqeurors who mowed through endless hordes of natives jobbers.
It is true that the Spanish had vastly superior weaponry, but not so much superior that they could overcome the massive numerical disadvantage without dirty tricks.
That's one of the (unintentional) dirty tricks, yes
though while it started off as an unintentional thing, they did also definitely intentionally spread contagion later, hence why I would not consider that an unfortunate accident but rather an unexpected situation they were willing to amorally exploit for profit.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Just admit you want to sacrifice humans to your sun god.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>t. Cacamatzin
>if you disagree with me you're brown
I'm sorry that my white ancestors managed to also have white morality, and refused to engage in Satanic genocidal butchery like your ancestors did.
Maybe try internalizing what it actually means to be white, next time around?
They fought many battles with the natives while they had a severe numerical disadvantage. The native rivals thought they were more useful against the Aztecs so they made an alliance with one another. It was a mutually beneficial arrangement, not subversive in the least. But I guess it doesn't matter when the natives do it.
>coerced
moron the other native peoples hated the aztecs guts, they initially fought with the spanish but stopped and begged them to help kill the aztecs when they realized they were after the aztec empire. They knew exactly what the spanish were but didn't care that's how much they fucking hated the aztecs.
The romans were pretty clean, but after the fall of the roman empire, shit just degraded, but the infrastructure and the knowledge.
This thing always goes back to the leaders, if the Aztec king or whatever the fuck wanted clean streets, he would have them, it just doesn't seem like european feudal lords gave a fuck if peasants shat on the streets.
Rome was multicultural with Greeks, Arabs, and moores. During the dark ages, Italy and Spain were regularly taking baths (again, Moore influence) but when whites are left by their own they never showed
that's a vague statement. if we are to believe the atlantis myth, the mythical kingdom existed longer before the native bongs were being dealt with than the time between early ancient egypt and today. everyone could have descended from such a kingdom.
Romans were definitely not clean. That’s just an idealised myth about Rome.
> While the baths were enjoyed by almost every Roman, some criticized them. The water was not renewed often and the remains of oil, dirt or even excrement were kept warm, providing a milieu for bacteria.[4] The emperor Marcus Aurelius complained about the dirtiness.[5] Celsus,[6] while commending its therapeutic virtues, warns not to go with a fresh wound because of the risk of gangrene. In fact, several tombstones from across the empire claim: balnea vina Venus / corrumpunt corpora / nostra se<t> vitam faciunt / balnea vina Venus ("Baths, wine, and sex corrupt our bodies, but baths, wine, and sex make life worth living")
LMAO
Medieval Europeans literally had no means of waste disposal and just casually threw their shit out of their windows into the streets and nobody batted an eye
Sure thing, sweatie. Why are there all these medieval depictions of it then? And what did medieval people do with their shit and piss given that they had no toilets or sewage systems?
Only urban areas were gross, not too different from now. Aztecs probably had rules about cleanliness and were enforced strongly, not too different than sigapore maybe.
Answer right here. Europeans had cows, pigs, chickens, horses, etc. South Americans had at most the llama. No wonder European cities were dirtier. This is also why they killed most new worlders with diseases but the opposite didn't happen.
Llamas weren't really relevant for central American civilizations, the two major domesticated animals there were turkeys and dogs. Though the famous Aztec zoo had eagles, jaguars, snakes, wading birds, deer, and something that sounds an awful lot like a bison.
Europeans never bathed, never wiped their asses, and never cleaned their teeth. Or even opened windows at night. They were afraid of spirits that would enter their bodies and poison them while they did such activities. Native American accounts of Europeans described the smell similar to that of rotting meat and feces. These peoples later died off from diseases that never before existed in the Americas, brought to them by the filthy Europeans on their clothing, blankets. When Europeans arrived in Asia, the Chinese officials demanded that they take a bath before entering the palaces.
>african immigrants
Historically they had better hygiene than Europeans, like most other ethnicities. >chinese
One of the least "smelliest" people as East Asians don't even have the gene that creates body odor.
Europeans never bathed, never wiped their asses, and never cleaned their teeth. Or even opened windows at night. They were afraid of spirits that would enter their bodies and poison them while they did such activities. Native American accounts of Europeans described the smell similar to that of rotting meat and feces. These peoples later died off from diseases that never before existed in the Americas, brought to them by the filthy Europeans on their clothing, blankets. When Europeans arrived in Asia, the Chinese officials demanded that they take a bath before entering the palaces.
>Europeans never bathed, never wiped their asses, and never cleaned their teeth.
imagine just spouting things that pop in your retard head without a single piece of evidence
>african immigrants
Historically they had better hygiene than Europeans, like most other ethnicities. >chinese
One of the least "smelliest" people as East Asians don't even have the gene that creates body odor.
they literally eat the shit directly out of animals' anuses. with their mouths pressed right up against them.
you'll probably say that means they keep their hands clean.
fucking have a nice day
>tranime poster just literally makes up some shit and posts it on an anonymous imageboard in a thread that will 404 in like 40 minutes
how do you do it? how do you sink this low and still live with yourself?
fucking horseshit. I remember reading a book on Medieval life when I was in the 6th grade(?) and they had drawings of chicks bathing in wooden barrels with flowers and herbs in them to make them smell better, I remember this because they had some nice tits on them.
This is a pretty common historical myth, in reality most people of the world not just Europeans knew they preferred to be clean hence why every culture developed an ability to keep themselves cleanly - the Roman Empire alone sponsored massive public baths and this tradition continued even after they fell. It's a Hollywood creation that somehow everyone in Europe was dirty.
>Why were the Europeans so filthy?
They weren’t, at least in functioning cities.
Most cities with canals used cess pits instead of dumping excrement in the canals, and the cess pits were inspected, with owners fined if the cess pits became too full, or had other issues causing leakage.
Workers were hired at a fixed rate to empty cess pits onto barges, with fines if any excrement spilled.
There are records of the laws concerning this, and citizens who were fined, etc.
stil are .Ran into a tiktok of a white lady saying germs werent real and her comments were people proudly proclaiming they havent washed their hands in years lol
>series makes spaniards look like they were the devil colonizers
Wrong. Aztecs are clearly not portrayed as any better and I really liked the dream sequence Cortes has with the Aztec king offering him baptism.
No, incel, they did not. Aztecs did not kill even a tiny fraction of the amount of people slaughtered by Christians. In any case, there is nothing evil or demonic about their sacrifices. Their best experts believed that the sun was not gonna rise unless they feed blood to the gods. What would do? Would you take the risk and see what happens if you don't do the sacrifices?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>trust the ancient aztec experts
This was pretty good until here, played your hand too early
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>"Montezuma, you need your fourth sacrifice booster! TRUST THE SCIENCE!"
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
How is the Aztec's murder in behalf of their skydaddy any better than the Christian's murder in behalf of their skydaddy?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Christians are told by their holy scripture to turn the other cheek and that they shall not kill. Aztecs are told to feed blood to the sun.
This makes Christians pathetic hyprocritical larpers and Aztecs devout and sincere men of faith.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Christians are told by their holy scripture to turn the other cheek and that they shall not kill
Babby's understanding of scripture. Many such cases.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
You will never read the bible, incel
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
wow you got upset about scenario you made up again?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
This is what incel tradlarpers actually believe.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>incel tradlarper
Fucking what?
Speak in English, not in Tumblr buzzwords.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Lmao, its 2023
I can just pick the parts I like and make believe the bad parts I don't like don't exists
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I did not come to bring peace, but a sword
People don't take this literally you fucking mong.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Aztecs did not kill even a tiny fraction of the amount of people slaughtered by Christians.
One civilization that lasted barely 100 years versus a religion that has existed for two Millennia and constitutes a third of the planet.
Yeah, that seems like some fair Math right there.
And they did this by being resistant to diseases that the natives had no defenses for.
Damn the white devils for not being as weak to disease as the cannibalistic noble savages of the world!
Diseases killed 90% of the population BEFORE the Spanish even got there. Cortez noted abandoned cities in the pine forests as he travelled through Mexico.
So they got exposed to European diseases before ever meeting Europeans? sounds very plausible chuddie
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yes? Do you think every person who got the disease had to personally meet a European to catch it you fucking idiot? It was carried on trade and courier routes by the patient zero's
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Aztecs had trade routes with Europe before Europeans ever found out about the new world
you are getting really desperate chudcel
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Aztecs were the ONLY people in the Americas >Europeans couldn't possibly be in contact with someone else who was in contact with the Aztecs
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
It's true, the leading hypothesis is that migratory seals carried TB over
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2014.15748#:~:text=Bacteria%20found%20in%20ancient%20Peru,to%20its%20spread%20by%20sea.&text=Ancient%20bacterial%20genome%20sequences%20collected,to%20humans%20in%20the%20Americas.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Bait aside, Cortes' expedition wasn't the first to the mainland, it was the third. Many of his men including Bernal Diaz were veterans of the Cordoba and Grijalva expeditions. There had already been contact with the Yucatan and up the Mexican coast before he set one foot in America.
Diseases killed 90% of the population BEFORE the Spanish even got there. Cortez noted abandoned cities in the pine forests as he travelled through Mexico.
Almost all of those deaths were the result of diseases that the Native American's had not developed any immunity to, it was logistically impossible to maintain a genocide on a scale large enough to kill up to 90 percent of the population in the 1600s.
The only other example of something like this that I can think of is when Fidel Castro sailed to Cuba with 80 men, only 20 of whom managed to avoid getting killed or captured on the first day, and then ended up conquering the whole island.
It's real sad how black moors came in middle age to teach europeons to bathe and clean the streets and mere decades after they left whites just... forgot.
Worse is when you realize it has to be intentional, meaning they decided to erase the knowledge of how to stay clean merely to own the libs 500 years in the future.
>It's real sad how black moors came in middle age to teach europeons to bathe and clean the streets and mere decades after they left whites just... forgot.
Wuz you frankish kangz and roman inpiers and shiet?
We'll never know if the king was killed by the spanish or if his own people killed him for being a fucking retard that invited Cortez and his men into the city.
lol where did you read this, retard? That's not what happened.
What happened is that the Aztec Emperor (not King), was freaked out by reports of the Spaniards using guns and horses and rightfully realized they had superior technology. So he tried to be nice and invited them to the capital, basically surrendered his empire because he knew he was outmatched. Spaniards proceeded to steal gold, and stop their religious sacrifices, the Aztecs revolted and drove the Spaniards away from the capital.
So the Spaniards reorganized their forces, called for reinforcements and forged an alliance with the Tlaxcalans (rivals of the Aztecs) to bring them down. Meanwhile smallpox was ravaging the Aztec capital which also made things easier for Cortez.
Youre fucking dumb, Cortez and his men did not show any aggression, he and his men were invited in as guests and the Aztec king gambled all his gold in a game
>Cortez and his men did not show any aggression
Bullshit.
First of all, the Spaniards had already conquered Cuba, and much of the Caribbean, then they carried out an expedition to Yucatan where they battled the Mayans, and Cortez himself battled the Mayas at Potonchan, as well as Aztec tributaries at Totonac. He fought the Totonac and encouraged them to revolt against the Aztecs taking the leaders loyal to the Aztecs prisioners. Then he also carried out a demonstration of firearms for Montezuma himself. So the Aztecs were well-aware of the Spanish and their technological superiority.
>the Aztec king gambled all his gold in a game
You literally made this up.
Cortez and his men showed an amount of aggression quite appropriate to the amount they were first shown themselves.
What makes it more barbaric than the mass murders commited by so-called civilized peoples?
As Victor Hugo said, "The amount of civilization is measured by the quantity of imagination."
If you can't imagine why it is profane to consume deceased corpses of your own species, you're living among the most barbaric societies humans are capable of producing.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Cortez and his men showed an amount of aggression quite appropriate to the amount they were first shown themselves.
OK?
That's not what I was arguing against. The anon I was replying to said the Spaniards never showed any aggression at all which is BS.
Get fucked mesoamerican anon, your people lost. You'll never be a jaguar warrior, you'll never feast on human hearts, you'll never skin alive the mamasitas that cheated on you with white boys and you'll remain a brown, sad, self-hating, sub 5'6 mongrel for the rest of your life. And there is NOTHING you can do about it.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I'm not a filthy Mexican lmao. I just like history.
>bullshit
it's simply not
yes they were greedy and undoubtedly power did get to the head of Cortez, but the message he bought was one of peace, and even though he was attacked time and time again by duplicitous aztecs, when he finally arrived at their capital he still just wanted an alliance.
Eventually the Aztec king lost his hold on his own people, was killed by them and everything went to shit.
Yeah but there was never any board game, you made that up.
>bullshit
it's simply not
yes they were greedy and undoubtedly power did get to the head of Cortez, but the message he bought was one of peace, and even though he was attacked time and time again by duplicitous aztecs, when he finally arrived at their capital he still just wanted an alliance.
Eventually the Aztec king lost his hold on his own people, was killed by them and everything went to shit.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
insane propaganda and revisionism. seek help.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
it's literally based on a first hand account of someone who was actually there.
anything else is revisionism, but feel free to post your "sources" that state how the Aztecs were actually enlightened and progressive, and weren't hated by literally every single tribe around them.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>it's literally based on a first hand account of someone who was actually there.
Oh you mean one of the conquistadores who was there raping and killing?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Still more accurate than some 45 year old redditor in 2023. >raping
Was literally no need, every single tribe they liberated from the Aztecs (who went on to help them fight the Aztecs, so don't even pretend it wasn't a liberation) gifted them dozens of women every visit. Women who were more than happy to consume potent white seed, as their customs dictated that for a people to grow close they should make offspring with each other. >killing
Until the betrayal by the Aztecs, the Spaniards literally only fought if forced, they had almost no supplies and each fight was a tremendous risk they wanted to avoid at all costs.
Any killing was justified.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Women who were more than happy to consume potent white seed
Nice bait but you made it too obvious there with your polcel WBS fantasy
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>can't provide a single (1) source to refute anything I've said
There was no rape as it was unnecessary. This is a fact.
You are literally retarded
https://thehistorianshut.com/2019/11/28/golden-gambling-between-montezuma-and-cortes/
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Nice blog gay.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>goalposts
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
This is your source? No wonder you people are so fucking stupid
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
So you already went from “you made this up” to “this is your source?”
>Sometimes also Motecusuma played at a certain game with Cortes, which the Mexicans call the game of totoloc: it is played with small round glossy balls, which here were made of gold, and are pitched at a certain mark, also of the same metal: five throws finished the game, and the stakes were for valuable gold trinkets and garden gnomeels. I still remember once when Motecusuma and Cortes were playing at this game, Alvarado scoring for Cortes, and a distinguished cazique (his nephew) for the monarch, that Alvarado continually scored one too many for Cortes. This was observed by Motecusuma, who said, with a pleasing smile, that he was not exactly pleased when Tonatio (so they termed Alvarado) marked the game for Cortes, for he was guilty of Ixoxol in scoring, which means that he scored falsely, by continually marking one more than he ought.
Cortes, and we others who happened to be on duty at the time in the apartment, could not resist laughing at the observation of the monarch. And why, it will be asked, did we find that expression so amusing? Because Alvarado, notwithstanding the handsome and refined man he was, could not resist the temptation of scoring falsely, and had been discovered. However, all the gain was divided among those present; for what Cortes won he presented to the monarch's nephew and his servants; Motecusuma dividing his gains among those who happened to be on duty at the time.[70] And not a day passed that he did not present Velasquez de Leon, who was very kind to him, and was captain of the guard, and those who were on duty, with valuable gold trinkets and manufactured stuffs.
From THE MEMOIRS OF THE CONQUISTADOR BERNAL DIAZ DEL CASTILLO WRITTEN BY HIMSELF CONTAINING A TRUE AND FULL ACCOUNT OF THE DISCOVERY AND CONQUEST OF MEXICO AND NEW SPAIN
Your initial claim: >Spaniards never attacked the Aztecs. (Wrong) Their retard King lost all his gold on a board game. (Wrong)
What actually happened: >What I was saying all along. The Spaniards attacked the Aztecs, Montezuma saw their technological superiority, and decided to invite them to their capital because he realized their technological superiority. The Spaniards then made him prisioner and proceeded to loot the capital and ban sacrifices which made the Aztecs revolt.
(You) now: >ACTHUALLY they did play board games
I don't give a fuck if they played board games, retard. That's very different from saying the Emperor lost all the gold of the Empire in a board game and that's why they got conquered.
Keep moving goalposts instead of taking the L. You posted something retarded. Own up to it.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Your reading comprehension is like a monkey and you should jump to the trees instead of coming here again.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I accept your concession.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
No one who has ever said this has ever won an argument.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
> ban sacrifices
They asked them to stop, which they refused at every opportunity.
The revolt was mostly caused by rival heirs to Montezumas throne who saw his confinement as a testament to his weakness and because through their sacrifices their gods had told them to attack and kill the Spaniards and they would win. >decided to invite them to their capital because he realized their technological superiority.
he wanted to kill and capture them, he only "invited" them in as it became clear the other options weren't possible. >The Spaniards then made him prisoner
in self defense, as while they were staying there it became clear they were going to be attacked. He agreed to go with them as a sign of good faith, his own people then killed him and revolted. >he Emperor lost all the gold of the Empire in a board game
He lost a lot and gave away a shit ton.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
So first it was >you made it up
Then >thats your source?
Then >i dont care about your source
Youre a funny guy
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
That's a different anon retard your source is still shit
You kid, but the Aztecs really were far behind in technology for such a large empire. When the spanish came for them they were just starting on making blades out of bronze, but mostly their weapons were made of wood and volcanic glass, their armor were usually just animal hide, but the most "advanced" armor they had was a shirt made of braided cotton that was then soaked in brine and left to dry, the subsquent salt crystals forming on the cotton making the shirt somewhat hard to cut.
>ummmm AKSHULLY the natives had metropolises with 6 million people and sky scrapers and neuroscience and were VERY clean unlike le dirty and evil yuros!!
Is there literally any evidence for any of this shit?
based on topic poster, will check it out.
Just read the Conquest of New Spain by Diaz, absolutely insane what transpired.
My favorite part was how every single tribe they met ended up gifting all their daughters and sisters to Cortez, so many that he ended up having to give them away to his troops.
>ywn be offered dozens of fertile native women every day >ywn have so many aztec cocksluts you'll have to break your vows to God regarding monogamy >ywn create a breeding farm of nubile, tanned cum receptacles >ywn sell the offspring into slavery for profit
Why even live?
colonialism was a great display of strenght and resourcefulness.
the only shameful part was anglos not wanting to bang that indian pussy because muh pure superior race.
You will never be a real Aztec. You have no culture, you have no temple, you have no sacrifice. You are a butthurt Chicano twisted by memes and coping into a crude mockery of Latino perfection.
>Every day they sacrificed before our eyes three, four or five Indians, whose hearts were offered to those idols whose blood was plastered on the walls. The feet, arms, and legs of their victims were cut off and eaten, just as we eat beef from the butcher’s in our country. I even believe that they sold it in the tianguez or markets.
>I cannot omit to mention the cages of stout wooden bars that we found in the city, full of men and boys who were being fattened for the sacrifice at which their flesh would be eaten. We destroyed these cages, and Cortes ordered the prisoners who were confined in them to return to their native districts.
>They strike open the wretched Indian’s chest with flint knives and hastily tear out the palpitating heart which, with the blood, they present to the idols in whose name they have performed the sacrifice. Then they cut off the arms, thighs, and head, eating the arms and thighs at their ceremonial banquets. The head they hang up on a beam, and the body of the sacrificed man is not eaten but given to the beasts of pre. They also had many vipers in this accursed house, and poisonous snakes which have something that sounds like a bell in their tails. These, which are the deadliest snakes of all, they kept in jars and great pottery vessels full of feathers, in which they laid their eggs and reared their young. They were fed on the bodies of sacrificed Indians and the flesh of the dogs that they bred.
>Then after they had danced the Papas laid them down on their backs on some narrow stones of sacrifice and, cutting open their chests, drew out their palpitating hearts which they offered to the idols before them. Then they kicked the bodies down the steps, and the Indian butchers who were waiting below cut off their arms and legs and flayed their faces, which they afterwards prepared like glove leather, with their beards on, and kept for their drunken festivals. Then they ate their flesh with a sauce of peppers and tomatoes. They sacrificed all our men in this way, eating their legs and arms, offering their hearts and blood to their idols as I have said, and throwing their trunks and entrails to the lions and tigers and serpents that they kept in the wild-beast houses I have described in an earlier chapter.
>killing people in the name of religion is hecking based and redpilled! DEUS VULT XD >noooo you can't cut out a person's heart for your gods, this is hecking barbarism!
Because the consumption of human flesh as a custom is an inhuman barbarism rarely practiced even among the most primitive of peoples. It indicates a sick and bloodthirsty "civilization"
the practice was cruel and completely insane at its core >aztecs believed if they didn't sacrifice the world would end >they believed if they wanted to commune with their gods, sacrifices were needed >they needed so many they began the conquest of south America just to fuel their insane need >conquered tribes were required to provide an ongoing tribute of sacrifices >men, women, kids, all were useful >they were kept in cages and fattened until the time came >after the sacrifice the arms and legs were eaten
Feel free to try to spin how those natives who committed ritual child torture and sacrifice constantly, 24/7 as muh noble savages.
Read literally the first line of what you just posted. They thought the world was going to end if they didn't do this shit. Would you take the risk and NOT sacrifice people if the entire world was at stake?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
The point is that no healthy or noble civilization would produce such beliefs in their mythology. They deserved to be wiped out, rather easily as I'm sure you know by a few thousand Spaniards and like 40 horses.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Are you volunteering anon?
I'll take the risk and not sacrifice people.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Sure, but if you accept that you'll also accept how abhorrent those practices are to anyone who is civilized, and on encountering such backwards and retarded nonsense, the Spaniards had not only the right, but the duty to exterminate that barbarism wherever they encountered it.
The gold and slavery that followed was rightful compensation.
>Then after they had danced the Papas laid them down on their backs on some narrow stones of sacrifice and, cutting open their chests, drew out their palpitating hearts which they offered to the idols before them. Then they kicked the bodies down the steps, and the Indian butchers who were waiting below cut off their arms and legs and flayed their faces, which they afterwards prepared like glove leather, with their beards on, and kept for their drunken festivals. Then they ate their flesh with a sauce of peppers and tomatoes. They sacrificed all our men in this way, eating their legs and arms, offering their hearts and blood to their idols as I have said, and throwing their trunks and entrails to the lions and tigers and serpents that they kept in the wild-beast houses I have described in an earlier chapter.
Mesoamericans were the real white people. Europeans invaders are just mutt bred Black homunculi that had to stew amongst themselves so long to accumulate the maximum amount of disgusting diseases they could. Then when they came into the new world, when they were slaughtered en masse by the sheer prowess of the Warriors of Huitzilopochtli, the toxic slop that made up their insides infested the land... This is why all that live there now are brown goblin folk. They've been mutated beyond repair into horrible monsters. Less than human.
>Reminding us of the doctrines of our holy faith, Cortes asked us: ‘If we do not pay God so much honour as to stop them from making sacrifices to their idols, how can we ever accomplish anything worth doing?’ He told us we must overthrow the idols that very day, and be absolutely prepared to fight if they tried to prevent us.
then why were all the mass graves they found full of sacrificed babies and women instead of men?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Babies were bathed in cold water... many died and only the strong survived, eliminating the probability that there would be people who were deformed, sick or with bad genetics.
It is not the only civilization to do something similar >mass graves
BUT I think this is a Mayan civilization, the Aztecs had skull towers to intimidate rival tribes
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/07/05/535613480/aztec-tower-of-skulls-reveals-women-children-were-sacrificed
over 600 skulls from young women and children
https://www.history.com/news/aztec-human-sacrifice-religion
and they weren't "bathed in cold water" they were cut open and tossed to the side like garbage
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
one source mentions the ritual in the Templo Mayor, and the second article only mentions the skulls of children and only male children, where are the bodies of the pregnant women you mentioned?... I think you think that the Aztecs only knew how to make one type of sacrifice, here:
"In addition to the extraction of the heart, there were other forms of sacrifice that were applied in strict accordance with the Aztec calendar: beheading, falling from a temple, arrow shooting, confinement in caves, drowning, roasting and "rayamiento" (ritual fight)."
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
wouldn't call drowning "bathed in cold water"
stop romanticizing these savage cultures
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
They were undoubtedly great... they were escaped slaves from the Chichimecas and they faced tribes more brutal than them and built a city in the middle of a lake, all of that in 200 years...
You can talk about morality and savagery, but the tribes they faced were worse... the Aztecs ate humans for ritual reasons, the enemies of the Aztecs and allies of the Spanish ate humans because they liked the taste, kek even the Spanish allowed the cannibalism of their indigenous allies.
there is a quote from a Spanish "conquistador" indulging the cannibal appetite of the Tlaxcalans after taking the city of Tenochtitlan
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>they weren't savages ok! they just killed children and women before eating their corpses on a massive scale
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
They only ate warriors, and the most worthy... they even refused to eat Spaniards because they found them unworthy, after the Spaniards betrayed them
not even the most savage of european tribes practiced cannibalism as a religious rite
kek are you kidding?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
scale
119 skulls in the column to the god of war and 484 inside the Templo Mayor, is it a massive scale?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
not even the most savage of european tribes practiced cannibalism as a religious rite
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Vikings had blood sacrifices and consumed the blood of women and children. Some of it exaggerated by the Christians but there is archeological evidence of it.
Why do retards unironically believe people didn't bathe in the middle ages? The majority of people have always bathed, we as humans don't like to be dirty. Obviously it was a bit harder if they didn't have taps, but they would go to the river or draw a bath. Only mentally ill retards like NEETs don't bathe. Even morons in Africa bathe.
How could they keep it clean? There's no running water? Did slaves just constantly carry all their shit buckets and piss jugs out of the city? I assumed they just shit into the lake.
That's a giant fucking water based computer system with basic logic gates. It's like in the 40s when computers had to be as big as a warehouse to do basic calculations. They didn't have wires and electricity so they built a system out of water.
>"The unpleasant odors in the park, gardens, even the chateau, make one's gorge rise. The communicating passages, courtyards, buildings in the wings, corridors, are full of urine and feces; a pork butcher actually sticks and roasts his pigs at the bottom of the ministers' wing every morning; the avenue Saint-Cloud is covered with stagnant water and dead cats". >Given the lack of adequate plumbing and the density of people at the palace, many courtiers answered nature's call whenever and wherever it was most convenient. Seeing someone in the act of relieving him or herself wasn't an uncommon sight. The Princesse d'Harcourt, for one, didn't think twice about urinating in public. In 1702, German-born Princess Elizabeth Charlotte recoiled at the behaviors she saw at the French court: >"... the people stationed in the galleries in front of our room piss in all the corners. It is impossible to leave one's apartments without seeing somebody pissing".
There’s a passageway under a bridge over a canal here in Zurich and every time I use it I think to myself “smells like Europe” because people seem to kiss in it every night.
Granted, that’s the only place in Zurich that smells like pies.
Hey guys, just got here and quickly read through the thread to catch up.
Do we seriously have a chud here that is unironically playing defense for Aztec human sacrifice?
Europeans already built up resistance to most basic diseases due to living around livestock for thousands of years. Native's largely avoided large animals so they never had any opportunity to. There are theories that syphilis is an New World disease that did get brought back to Europe
Do you believe that architectural and societal organization necessitates the invention of steel armor and weaponry, let alone explosives? Do you believe that horse cavalry magically appears in places with no native and ancient history of equestrian domestication?
Do you believe that such advancements simultaneously necessitate the creation of magical cures to diseases that destroyed populations of Europeans for centuries? Do you, for instance, believe that ancient Greece, Rome, or Egypt could have stood a snowball's chance against conquistadores?
relax reddit spacer, if the aztecs weren't such savage fucking animals the spaniards wouldn't have had so many allies and probably would've been thrown back
If Aztecs were real where are the cities and giant stone structures? They're all over the place in greece and egypt
Aztecs have nothing but a couple pyramids, obviously placed there by aliens and Aztecs were created as an explanation by historians
You can see them in Mexico City. You can climb around the old pyramid- it was mostly dismantled by the Spaniards but the base is still there. You can see other pyramids around the city. You can go to the history museum in Mexico City and see the relics. Jesus, what a chud.
The Spanish destroyed the pyramids together with the indigenous allies... Also the Spanish let the indigenous allies eat the Aztecs after destroying the city... I suppose the conquistadors were amused by cannibalism.
Keep in mind that the Spanish took over and built on Tenochtitlan for 300 years, making it the capital of "Nueva Espana" akka Mexico, and they never intended to preserve Aztec buildings.
If you want to see the remains of Tenochtitlan, just travel to the capital of Mexico, the entire city is built on top of Tenochtitlan, you can still see some of the remains of the Aztec constructions...
Apocalypto* lol
you made 8/8 bait by accident
it's pretty inaccurate, but still good
as you can see, the color grading is shit
think they're just trying to make it look like an old oil painting
Old oil panting had color dumbass.
They made it look like something you would see from a modern show nowadays..
oil paint degrade over time retard
lie lie lie
kys
Also unlike their European counterparts they weren't able to defend it worth shit lmao
>unlike
Not the flex you think it is
how do they remember which tent is theirs
>unable to defend it
anon come now, surely you know more about the Spanish conquest than that
the Spanish played every trick in the book, by the time their armies showed up, they had already subverted most empires in the region and set them against one another.
The vast, vast majority of the killing was done by disease or by native peoples coerced by the Spanish into killing their rivals on the other side of the mountains. Once all sides were war-exhausted and unable to put up much resistance, the Spanish came in and wiped the rest out.
I can admire their tactics from a purely psychopathic "well shit, that was a very effective if cruel play" perspective, but the Spanish deserve no credit at all as military conquerors. They just don't, they were subversive little rats.
Subversive little rats as opposed to what? Sacrificial little rats?
>as opposed to what?
glorious Evropean conqeurors who mowed through endless hordes of natives jobbers.
It is true that the Spanish had vastly superior weaponry, but not so much superior that they could overcome the massive numerical disadvantage without dirty tricks.
>lets just forget that yuropeens brings never seen before diseases with them
That's one of the (unintentional) dirty tricks, yes
though while it started off as an unintentional thing, they did also definitely intentionally spread contagion later, hence why I would not consider that an unfortunate accident but rather an unexpected situation they were willing to amorally exploit for profit.
Just admit you want to sacrifice humans to your sun god.
>if you disagree with me you're brown
I'm sorry that my white ancestors managed to also have white morality, and refused to engage in Satanic genocidal butchery like your ancestors did.
Maybe try internalizing what it actually means to be white, next time around?
I think its far more likely that you are brown
>t. Cacamatzin
Those poor poor innocent Aztecs, manipulated by those mean stinky Europeans
>Sacrificial little rats?
gladiators were worse
They fought many battles with the natives while they had a severe numerical disadvantage. The native rivals thought they were more useful against the Aztecs so they made an alliance with one another. It was a mutually beneficial arrangement, not subversive in the least. But I guess it doesn't matter when the natives do it.
>coerced
moron the other native peoples hated the aztecs guts, they initially fought with the spanish but stopped and begged them to help kill the aztecs when they realized they were after the aztec empire. They knew exactly what the spanish were but didn't care that's how much they fucking hated the aztecs.
Europe had a shitton of infighting. They lost and won a lot
>Aztecs knew how to keep it clean
Why were the Europeans so filthy?
>were
seething groid detected
it was tactical stink, mexican'ts kneel before germ warfare
The romans were pretty clean, but after the fall of the roman empire, shit just degraded, but the infrastructure and the knowledge.
This thing always goes back to the leaders, if the Aztec king or whatever the fuck wanted clean streets, he would have them, it just doesn't seem like european feudal lords gave a fuck if peasants shat on the streets.
you could smell italy before the ship ever landed because the sewers dumped into the sea
Rome was multicultural with Greeks, Arabs, and moores. During the dark ages, Italy and Spain were regularly taking baths (again, Moore influence) but when whites are left by their own they never showed
Nah, the britons used bathing as a strategy in guerrila warfare.
so the native bongs were atlantians
that's a vague statement. if we are to believe the atlantis myth, the mythical kingdom existed longer before the native bongs were being dealt with than the time between early ancient egypt and today. everyone could have descended from such a kingdom.
imagine the wrinkles
Romans were definitely not clean. That’s just an idealised myth about Rome.
> While the baths were enjoyed by almost every Roman, some criticized them. The water was not renewed often and the remains of oil, dirt or even excrement were kept warm, providing a milieu for bacteria.[4] The emperor Marcus Aurelius complained about the dirtiness.[5] Celsus,[6] while commending its therapeutic virtues, warns not to go with a fresh wound because of the risk of gangrene. In fact, several tombstones from across the empire claim: balnea vina Venus / corrumpunt corpora / nostra se<t> vitam faciunt / balnea vina Venus ("Baths, wine, and sex corrupt our bodies, but baths, wine, and sex make life worth living")
>Rome wasn't clean!
>posts quote about how the Emperor wanted something dirty to be cleaner
I'm equally skeptical of modern public showers
Pig shit, Cities in the old world were filled with domesticated animals, which was ironically the source of the plagues that wiped out america.
Social Darwinism before it was cool, only the strong survived the petri dish of European slums
That’s a myth. Medieval Europeans were actually cleaner than modern Europeans.
LMAO
Medieval Europeans literally had no means of waste disposal and just casually threw their shit out of their windows into the streets and nobody batted an eye
That’s literally also myth and did not happen in the Middle Ages. Cities being dirty comes from 17th to 19th century when cities grew too big.
Medieval people had to walk around with umbrellas because of the constant risk of having the insides of a chamberpot dropped on their heads.
literal myth you stupid mongrel.
Sure thing, sweatie. Why are there all these medieval depictions of it then? And what did medieval people do with their shit and piss given that they had no toilets or sewage systems?
romans did this in cities too. I hate midwit PrepHolefags
No, they had something called cess pits which were routinely cleaned out.
abrahamic religions permanently fucked up europe beyond repair
>Were
Theyre still filthy living in the gutter like pigs
Just look at Paris
They still are.
Only urban areas were gross, not too different from now. Aztecs probably had rules about cleanliness and were enforced strongly, not too different than sigapore maybe.
Domesticated animals.
Answer right here. Europeans had cows, pigs, chickens, horses, etc. South Americans had at most the llama. No wonder European cities were dirtier. This is also why they killed most new worlders with diseases but the opposite didn't happen.
Pigs improve sanitation, they literally eat garbage. Shows how much you know
Llamas weren't really relevant for central American civilizations, the two major domesticated animals there were turkeys and dogs. Though the famous Aztec zoo had eagles, jaguars, snakes, wading birds, deer, and something that sounds an awful lot like a bison.
you're a fucking dumbass literally an hero
>Aztecs
>Llamas
lol yeah llamas have all that wool to live in the Central American jungle, totally their habitat.
Fucking have a nice day, retard.
Europeans never bathed, never wiped their asses, and never cleaned their teeth. Or even opened windows at night. They were afraid of spirits that would enter their bodies and poison them while they did such activities. Native American accounts of Europeans described the smell similar to that of rotting meat and feces. These peoples later died off from diseases that never before existed in the Americas, brought to them by the filthy Europeans on their clothing, blankets. When Europeans arrived in Asia, the Chinese officials demanded that they take a bath before entering the palaces.
>Europeans never bathed, never wiped their asses, and never cleaned their teeth.
imagine just spouting things that pop in your retard head without a single piece of evidence
Learn history and you will know.
(You)
This cope is always hilarious for anyone who has smelled chinese or african immigrants.
>african immigrants
Historically they had better hygiene than Europeans, like most other ethnicities.
>chinese
One of the least "smelliest" people as East Asians don't even have the gene that creates body odor.
they literally eat the shit directly out of animals' anuses. with their mouths pressed right up against them.
you'll probably say that means they keep their hands clean.
fucking have a nice day
they are absolutely vile. same with pajeets, arabs/yids etc.
Poojeets take the fecal cake. Had to sit right next to one in a bus and his BO stuck to my clothes
what the fuck was wrong with white people.
>European
It's was just the French
>tranime poster just literally makes up some shit and posts it on an anonymous imageboard in a thread that will 404 in like 40 minutes
how do you do it? how do you sink this low and still live with yourself?
ewwwww
>thehealthyjournal.com
yeah that sounds peer reviewed
libshit historical revisionism
fucking horseshit. I remember reading a book on Medieval life when I was in the 6th grade(?) and they had drawings of chicks bathing in wooden barrels with flowers and herbs in them to make them smell better, I remember this because they had some nice tits on them.
This post is actually true, but look at just how seethful these chuds are.
This is a pretty common historical myth, in reality most people of the world not just Europeans knew they preferred to be clean hence why every culture developed an ability to keep themselves cleanly - the Roman Empire alone sponsored massive public baths and this tradition continued even after they fell. It's a Hollywood creation that somehow everyone in Europe was dirty.
christianism and nordcucks. meds used to be clean
asstecs were just sinking all their filth in the lake, they'd be literally flooded with their own feces if given a chance to exist few decades more
proof?
>Why were the Europeans so filthy?
They weren’t, at least in functioning cities.
Most cities with canals used cess pits instead of dumping excrement in the canals, and the cess pits were inspected, with owners fined if the cess pits became too full, or had other issues causing leakage.
Workers were hired at a fixed rate to empty cess pits onto barges, with fines if any excrement spilled.
There are records of the laws concerning this, and citizens who were fined, etc.
historical revisionism.
stil are .Ran into a tiktok of a white lady saying germs werent real and her comments were people proudly proclaiming they havent washed their hands in years lol
>were
It's worse than you imagine. Apparently they saw a pyramid drenched in blood and thought "wow so clean"
I think the better question is "how do we know Aztecs kept it clean"? Sounds like some "noble savage" horseshit.
>an artist's rendition is an accurate portrayal
you are retarded
keep it clean by sacrificing undesirables and feeding the crowd below their corpse
There's very little, mostly because of how much it costs to properly portray them.
The Other Conquest (1998) is good
>latinos plays cortes and other spaniards
>series makes spaniards look like they were the devil colonizers
Its shit
>series makes spaniards look like they were the devil colonizers
Wrong. Aztecs are clearly not portrayed as any better and I really liked the dream sequence Cortes has with the Aztec king offering him baptism.
>latinos plays cortes
Romani, actually.
> 2019
This was good. Wish they greenlighted a second season.
as far as I can tell they began filming in 2020 and should be on its way
They fucked up filming in xochimilco and had to pay an enormous fine.
>Aztecs were so hated that as soon as a hundred drunk Spanish rebels showed up all of the other Mexicans sided with the foreign conquerors
If only the natives knew how much worse the Spanish were going to be
Yeah all of the blood sacrifices the Spanish did were unforgivable
>the Spanish never killed anyone on behalf of religion
lmao
All religions are not equal. Aztecs worshipped demons.
No, incel, they did not. Aztecs did not kill even a tiny fraction of the amount of people slaughtered by Christians. In any case, there is nothing evil or demonic about their sacrifices. Their best experts believed that the sun was not gonna rise unless they feed blood to the gods. What would do? Would you take the risk and see what happens if you don't do the sacrifices?
>trust the ancient aztec experts
This was pretty good until here, played your hand too early
>"Montezuma, you need your fourth sacrifice booster! TRUST THE SCIENCE!"
How is the Aztec's murder in behalf of their skydaddy any better than the Christian's murder in behalf of their skydaddy?
Christians are told by their holy scripture to turn the other cheek and that they shall not kill. Aztecs are told to feed blood to the sun.
This makes Christians pathetic hyprocritical larpers and Aztecs devout and sincere men of faith.
>Christians are told by their holy scripture to turn the other cheek and that they shall not kill
Babby's understanding of scripture. Many such cases.
You will never read the bible, incel
wow you got upset about scenario you made up again?
This is what incel tradlarpers actually believe.
>incel tradlarper
Fucking what?
Speak in English, not in Tumblr buzzwords.
Lmao, its 2023
I can just pick the parts I like and make believe the bad parts I don't like don't exists
>I did not come to bring peace, but a sword
People don't take this literally you fucking mong.
>Aztecs did not kill even a tiny fraction of the amount of people slaughtered by Christians.
One civilization that lasted barely 100 years versus a religion that has existed for two Millennia and constitutes a third of the planet.
Yeah, that seems like some fair Math right there.
oh so there was no difference? Why even cry about it then retard?
Oh no I’m sure the brown South American women will begrudge forever…having unlimited sex with European men!
Cry me a fucking river.
thats why for hundreds of years people from mexico made pilgrimages to spain and rome
Cortez did nothing wrong
are you 12?
Europeans killed 90% of the population of the entire fucking continent. The aztecs were benevolent and merciful by comparison.
This Europe guy must have been fucking exhausted after that
>no rational response
why are incels like this?
>incel
Badge of honor. Also, I mog you.
Photo of Europe strangling a poor innocent native personally
Europeans killed 90% of your braincells by taking up the space in your head
this, six trillion of us were geassed in the camps. the ones who survived got the masturbation machines... oh quetzalcoatl...
Tell me of the masturbation machines
And they did this by being resistant to diseases that the natives had no defenses for.
Damn the white devils for not being as weak to disease as the cannibalistic noble savages of the world!
To be fair, most of that was from exposure to diseases Europeans had been living with for centuries but that the natives had no natural defenses to.
So they got exposed to European diseases before ever meeting Europeans? sounds very plausible chuddie
Yes? Do you think every person who got the disease had to personally meet a European to catch it you fucking idiot? It was carried on trade and courier routes by the patient zero's
>Aztecs had trade routes with Europe before Europeans ever found out about the new world
you are getting really desperate chudcel
>Aztecs were the ONLY people in the Americas
>Europeans couldn't possibly be in contact with someone else who was in contact with the Aztecs
It's true, the leading hypothesis is that migratory seals carried TB over
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2014.15748#:~:text=Bacteria%20found%20in%20ancient%20Peru,to%20its%20spread%20by%20sea.&text=Ancient%20bacterial%20genome%20sequences%20collected,to%20humans%20in%20the%20Americas.
Bait aside, Cortes' expedition wasn't the first to the mainland, it was the third. Many of his men including Bernal Diaz were veterans of the Cordoba and Grijalva expeditions. There had already been contact with the Yucatan and up the Mexican coast before he set one foot in America.
Diseases killed 90% of the population BEFORE the Spanish even got there. Cortez noted abandoned cities in the pine forests as he travelled through Mexico.
>BEFORE the Spanish even got there
that's just pure nonsense
read a history book retard
Almost all of those deaths were the result of diseases that the Native American's had not developed any immunity to, it was logistically impossible to maintain a genocide on a scale large enough to kill up to 90 percent of the population in the 1600s.
>and we know this because of the extensive census data collected by every race and culture for hundreds of years before YT showed up
Now that's bait.
The only other example of something like this that I can think of is when Fidel Castro sailed to Cuba with 80 men, only 20 of whom managed to avoid getting killed or captured on the first day, and then ended up conquering the whole island.
Oh fuck
> Knew how to keep it clean
> wiped out in 10 years by Anglos that brought the cold
Pick one.
>threw severed human heads into their drinking water supply
It's real sad how black moors came in middle age to teach europeons to bathe and clean the streets and mere decades after they left whites just... forgot.
Worse is when you realize it has to be intentional, meaning they decided to erase the knowledge of how to stay clean merely to own the libs 500 years in the future.
>moors
It was the moops.
>It's real sad how black moors came in middle age to teach europeons to bathe and clean the streets and mere decades after they left whites just... forgot.
Wuz you frankish kangz and roman inpiers and shiet?
>inb4 durrr das not aztec
Shut up gay
whos the girl?
Klaus Kinski
*kills your empire*
Dude the Aztec king literally bet all his gold in a board game against Cortez and lost, fucking retard
We'll never know if the king was killed by the spanish or if his own people killed him for being a fucking retard that invited Cortez and his men into the city.
lol where did you read this, retard? That's not what happened.
What happened is that the Aztec Emperor (not King), was freaked out by reports of the Spaniards using guns and horses and rightfully realized they had superior technology. So he tried to be nice and invited them to the capital, basically surrendered his empire because he knew he was outmatched. Spaniards proceeded to steal gold, and stop their religious sacrifices, the Aztecs revolted and drove the Spaniards away from the capital.
So the Spaniards reorganized their forces, called for reinforcements and forged an alliance with the Tlaxcalans (rivals of the Aztecs) to bring them down. Meanwhile smallpox was ravaging the Aztec capital which also made things easier for Cortez.
Youre fucking dumb, Cortez and his men did not show any aggression, he and his men were invited in as guests and the Aztec king gambled all his gold in a game
>Cortez and his men did not show any aggression
Bullshit.
First of all, the Spaniards had already conquered Cuba, and much of the Caribbean, then they carried out an expedition to Yucatan where they battled the Mayans, and Cortez himself battled the Mayas at Potonchan, as well as Aztec tributaries at Totonac. He fought the Totonac and encouraged them to revolt against the Aztecs taking the leaders loyal to the Aztecs prisioners. Then he also carried out a demonstration of firearms for Montezuma himself. So the Aztecs were well-aware of the Spanish and their technological superiority.
>the Aztec king gambled all his gold in a game
You literally made this up.
Cortez and his men showed an amount of aggression quite appropriate to the amount they were first shown themselves.
As Victor Hugo said, "The amount of civilization is measured by the quantity of imagination."
If you can't imagine why it is profane to consume deceased corpses of your own species, you're living among the most barbaric societies humans are capable of producing.
>Cortez and his men showed an amount of aggression quite appropriate to the amount they were first shown themselves.
OK?
That's not what I was arguing against. The anon I was replying to said the Spaniards never showed any aggression at all which is BS.
Get fucked mesoamerican anon, your people lost. You'll never be a jaguar warrior, you'll never feast on human hearts, you'll never skin alive the mamasitas that cheated on you with white boys and you'll remain a brown, sad, self-hating, sub 5'6 mongrel for the rest of your life. And there is NOTHING you can do about it.
I'm not a filthy Mexican lmao. I just like history.
Yeah but there was never any board game, you made that up.
Seething
>bullshit
it's simply not
yes they were greedy and undoubtedly power did get to the head of Cortez, but the message he bought was one of peace, and even though he was attacked time and time again by duplicitous aztecs, when he finally arrived at their capital he still just wanted an alliance.
Eventually the Aztec king lost his hold on his own people, was killed by them and everything went to shit.
insane propaganda and revisionism. seek help.
it's literally based on a first hand account of someone who was actually there.
anything else is revisionism, but feel free to post your "sources" that state how the Aztecs were actually enlightened and progressive, and weren't hated by literally every single tribe around them.
>it's literally based on a first hand account of someone who was actually there.
Oh you mean one of the conquistadores who was there raping and killing?
Still more accurate than some 45 year old redditor in 2023.
>raping
Was literally no need, every single tribe they liberated from the Aztecs (who went on to help them fight the Aztecs, so don't even pretend it wasn't a liberation) gifted them dozens of women every visit. Women who were more than happy to consume potent white seed, as their customs dictated that for a people to grow close they should make offspring with each other.
>killing
Until the betrayal by the Aztecs, the Spaniards literally only fought if forced, they had almost no supplies and each fight was a tremendous risk they wanted to avoid at all costs.
Any killing was justified.
>Women who were more than happy to consume potent white seed
Nice bait but you made it too obvious there with your polcel WBS fantasy
>can't provide a single (1) source to refute anything I've said
There was no rape as it was unnecessary. This is a fact.
>You literally made this up
You are literally retarded
https://thehistorianshut.com/2019/11/28/golden-gambling-between-montezuma-and-cortes/
Nice blog gay.
>goalposts
This is your source? No wonder you people are so fucking stupid
So you already went from “you made this up” to “this is your source?”
>Sometimes also Motecusuma played at a certain game with Cortes, which the Mexicans call the game of totoloc: it is played with small round glossy balls, which here were made of gold, and are pitched at a certain mark, also of the same metal: five throws finished the game, and the stakes were for valuable gold trinkets and garden gnomeels. I still remember once when Motecusuma and Cortes were playing at this game, Alvarado scoring for Cortes, and a distinguished cazique (his nephew) for the monarch, that Alvarado continually scored one too many for Cortes. This was observed by Motecusuma, who said, with a pleasing smile, that he was not exactly pleased when Tonatio (so they termed Alvarado) marked the game for Cortes, for he was guilty of Ixoxol in scoring, which means that he scored falsely, by continually marking one more than he ought.
Cortes, and we others who happened to be on duty at the time in the apartment, could not resist laughing at the observation of the monarch. And why, it will be asked, did we find that expression so amusing? Because Alvarado, notwithstanding the handsome and refined man he was, could not resist the temptation of scoring falsely, and had been discovered. However, all the gain was divided among those present; for what Cortes won he presented to the monarch's nephew and his servants; Motecusuma dividing his gains among those who happened to be on duty at the time.[70] And not a day passed that he did not present Velasquez de Leon, who was very kind to him, and was captain of the guard, and those who were on duty, with valuable gold trinkets and manufactured stuffs.
From THE MEMOIRS OF THE CONQUISTADOR BERNAL DIAZ DEL CASTILLO WRITTEN BY HIMSELF CONTAINING A TRUE AND FULL ACCOUNT OF THE DISCOVERY AND CONQUEST OF MEXICO AND NEW SPAIN
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/32474/32474-h/32474-h.htm
Your initial claim:
>Spaniards never attacked the Aztecs. (Wrong) Their retard King lost all his gold on a board game. (Wrong)
What actually happened:
>What I was saying all along. The Spaniards attacked the Aztecs, Montezuma saw their technological superiority, and decided to invite them to their capital because he realized their technological superiority. The Spaniards then made him prisioner and proceeded to loot the capital and ban sacrifices which made the Aztecs revolt.
(You) now:
>ACTHUALLY they did play board games
I don't give a fuck if they played board games, retard. That's very different from saying the Emperor lost all the gold of the Empire in a board game and that's why they got conquered.
Keep moving goalposts instead of taking the L. You posted something retarded. Own up to it.
Your reading comprehension is like a monkey and you should jump to the trees instead of coming here again.
I accept your concession.
No one who has ever said this has ever won an argument.
> ban sacrifices
They asked them to stop, which they refused at every opportunity.
The revolt was mostly caused by rival heirs to Montezumas throne who saw his confinement as a testament to his weakness and because through their sacrifices their gods had told them to attack and kill the Spaniards and they would win.
>decided to invite them to their capital because he realized their technological superiority.
he wanted to kill and capture them, he only "invited" them in as it became clear the other options weren't possible.
>The Spaniards then made him prisoner
in self defense, as while they were staying there it became clear they were going to be attacked. He agreed to go with them as a sign of good faith, his own people then killed him and revolted.
>he Emperor lost all the gold of the Empire in a board game
He lost a lot and gave away a shit ton.
So first it was
>you made it up
Then
>thats your source?
Then
>i dont care about your source
Youre a funny guy
That's a different anon retard your source is still shit
>you dont have a source
>your source is shit
Someone ought to adapt "Aztec" by Gary Jennings, it's a pretty cool novel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztec_(novel)
finna read dis book
>finna read dis book
It's pretty good and make for a good flick. Also, I learned that earthquakes give you a boner.
bruh mexico was still building pyramids in the 1600s, if there wasn't for the spanish they probably wouldn't have discovered fire by now.
You kid, but the Aztecs really were far behind in technology for such a large empire. When the spanish came for them they were just starting on making blades out of bronze, but mostly their weapons were made of wood and volcanic glass, their armor were usually just animal hide, but the most "advanced" armor they had was a shirt made of braided cotton that was then soaked in brine and left to dry, the subsquent salt crystals forming on the cotton making the shirt somewhat hard to cut.
haha I sure hate myself and people who look like me, I really should just die.
>Apocalypse Now
>get dabbed on by a handful of greedy Spaniards and angry TlaxcalaCHADS
Nothing personnel, señores
fucking gay dog
Why is he looking at me like that?
>ummmm AKSHULLY the natives had metropolises with 6 million people and sky scrapers and neuroscience and were VERY clean unlike le dirty and evil yuros!!
Is there literally any evidence for any of this shit?
In Wakanda Forever you see it.
A small expeditionary force conquering an alien empire is so fucking kino it almost makes me tear up thinking about it.
How come this guy is allowed to be in blackface and if I do it it's racist?
based on topic poster, will check it out.
Just read the Conquest of New Spain by Diaz, absolutely insane what transpired.
My favorite part was how every single tribe they met ended up gifting all their daughters and sisters to Cortez, so many that he ended up having to give them away to his troops.
Yes, many conquistadors had practically become polygamists with all the noblemen's wives they were being offered.
>ywn be offered dozens of fertile native women every day
>ywn have so many aztec cocksluts you'll have to break your vows to God regarding monogamy
>ywn create a breeding farm of nubile, tanned cum receptacles
>ywn sell the offspring into slavery for profit
Why even live?
> every single tribe they met ended up gifting all their daughters and sisters
First edition of white boy summer?
Anyone have a magnet? Can't find it anywhere.
colonialism was a great display of strenght and resourcefulness.
the only shameful part was anglos not wanting to bang that indian pussy because muh pure superior race.
the indians in the US are all like 3/4 European blood
>t. Enrico gonzalez mendendez montoya hernandez de la rosa
You will never be a real Aztec. You have no culture, you have no temple, you have no sacrifice. You are a butthurt Chicano twisted by memes and coping into a crude mockery of Latino perfection.
The Mission
1492 Conquest of Paradise
Black Robe
pretty good movies
>Every day they sacrificed before our eyes three, four or five Indians, whose hearts were offered to those idols whose blood was plastered on the walls. The feet, arms, and legs of their victims were cut off and eaten, just as we eat beef from the butcher’s in our country. I even believe that they sold it in the tianguez or markets.
>I cannot omit to mention the cages of stout wooden bars that we found in the city, full of men and boys who were being fattened for the sacrifice at which their flesh would be eaten. We destroyed these cages, and Cortes ordered the prisoners who were confined in them to return to their native districts.
>They strike open the wretched Indian’s chest with flint knives and hastily tear out the palpitating heart which, with the blood, they present to the idols in whose name they have performed the sacrifice. Then they cut off the arms, thighs, and head, eating the arms and thighs at their ceremonial banquets. The head they hang up on a beam, and the body of the sacrificed man is not eaten but given to the beasts of pre. They also had many vipers in this accursed house, and poisonous snakes which have something that sounds like a bell in their tails. These, which are the deadliest snakes of all, they kept in jars and great pottery vessels full of feathers, in which they laid their eggs and reared their young. They were fed on the bodies of sacrificed Indians and the flesh of the dogs that they bred.
>killing people in the name of religion is hecking based and redpilled! DEUS VULT XD
>noooo you can't cut out a person's heart for your gods, this is hecking barbarism!
It matters in whose name and for what reason it is done.
Cannibalism, even if sporadical and with religious intent, is not heckin based my dude.
Why is worse than killing a person and not eating them?
Because the consumption of human flesh as a custom is an inhuman barbarism rarely practiced even among the most primitive of peoples. It indicates a sick and bloodthirsty "civilization"
What makes it more barbaric than the mass murders commited by so-called civilized peoples?
the practice was cruel and completely insane at its core
>aztecs believed if they didn't sacrifice the world would end
>they believed if they wanted to commune with their gods, sacrifices were needed
>they needed so many they began the conquest of south America just to fuel their insane need
>conquered tribes were required to provide an ongoing tribute of sacrifices
>men, women, kids, all were useful
>they were kept in cages and fattened until the time came
>after the sacrifice the arms and legs were eaten
Feel free to try to spin how those natives who committed ritual child torture and sacrifice constantly, 24/7 as muh noble savages.
Aztecs never conquered South America.
Aztecs were in North America (Mexico).
Everything south of the border is south america, Hispanic
>cope for not knowing geography
That was the Mayans, you idiot. The Aztec empire was largely within the borders that now define modern Brazil.
Read literally the first line of what you just posted. They thought the world was going to end if they didn't do this shit. Would you take the risk and NOT sacrifice people if the entire world was at stake?
The point is that no healthy or noble civilization would produce such beliefs in their mythology. They deserved to be wiped out, rather easily as I'm sure you know by a few thousand Spaniards and like 40 horses.
Are you volunteering anon?
I'll take the risk and not sacrifice people.
Sure, but if you accept that you'll also accept how abhorrent those practices are to anyone who is civilized, and on encountering such backwards and retarded nonsense, the Spaniards had not only the right, but the duty to exterminate that barbarism wherever they encountered it.
The gold and slavery that followed was rightful compensation.
>white people are the bad guys, btw
they are THOUGH
>poisonous snakes which have something that sounds like a bell in their tails
Rattlesnakes sound mental when you put it that way, damn.
>Then after they had danced the Papas laid them down on their backs on some narrow stones of sacrifice and, cutting open their chests, drew out their palpitating hearts which they offered to the idols before them. Then they kicked the bodies down the steps, and the Indian butchers who were waiting below cut off their arms and legs and flayed their faces, which they afterwards prepared like glove leather, with their beards on, and kept for their drunken festivals. Then they ate their flesh with a sauce of peppers and tomatoes. They sacrificed all our men in this way, eating their legs and arms, offering their hearts and blood to their idols as I have said, and throwing their trunks and entrails to the lions and tigers and serpents that they kept in the wild-beast houses I have described in an earlier chapter.
Mesoamericans were the real white people. Europeans invaders are just mutt bred Black homunculi that had to stew amongst themselves so long to accumulate the maximum amount of disgusting diseases they could. Then when they came into the new world, when they were slaughtered en masse by the sheer prowess of the Warriors of Huitzilopochtli, the toxic slop that made up their insides infested the land... This is why all that live there now are brown goblin folk. They've been mutated beyond repair into horrible monsters. Less than human.
>europeans are dirty as fuck
damn boys, we are getting exposed again
Not our fault we've got the best immune systems
It's the foreigner's problem if we're dirty
why are you arguing with the obvious low effort troll?
because i'm an even more obvious low effort troll
>Somebody has an opinion that doesn't fit inside my deranged 4chan bubble? NO THIS MUST BE TROLLING!!!!
Apocalypto now
Mexicans are a wicked people.
I'm glad europeans and their descendants have such a carefree attitude about natives being genocided by foreigners
>Reminding us of the doctrines of our holy faith, Cortes asked us: ‘If we do not pay God so much honour as to stop them from making sacrifices to their idols, how can we ever accomplish anything worth doing?’ He told us we must overthrow the idols that very day, and be absolutely prepared to fight if they tried to prevent us.
lol literal wakanda tier cope.
>We wuz clean n'shieet
Defeated by blankets lmao
>Defeated by blankets lmao
No, incel
Cope harder Paco. Your ancestors were weak savages.
strategic use of plague also did great harm to rome
>Can't figure out toilet paper now
Huh?
its good despite being an amazon show. its a spanish production so its not pozzed
it's on google play
what movie?
imagine the mosquitos
Actually, come to think of it, ONYX EQUINOX is THE mesoamerica kino show.
onyx equinox is the gold standard in my opinion, if you want something relatively accurate to what mesoamerica was actually like
Reminder Cortez built a navy of galleons on the lake to achieve naval superiority and slowly starve the city into submission
they were sacrificing babies and pregnant women, they deserved to be wiped out
this is false... they only sacrificed prisoners of war, they generally looked for the strongest ones to eat them and absorb their abilities
then why were all the mass graves they found full of sacrificed babies and women instead of men?
Babies were bathed in cold water... many died and only the strong survived, eliminating the probability that there would be people who were deformed, sick or with bad genetics.
It is not the only civilization to do something similar
>mass graves
BUT I think this is a Mayan civilization, the Aztecs had skull towers to intimidate rival tribes
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/07/05/535613480/aztec-tower-of-skulls-reveals-women-children-were-sacrificed
over 600 skulls from young women and children
https://www.history.com/news/aztec-human-sacrifice-religion
and they weren't "bathed in cold water" they were cut open and tossed to the side like garbage
one source mentions the ritual in the Templo Mayor, and the second article only mentions the skulls of children and only male children, where are the bodies of the pregnant women you mentioned?... I think you think that the Aztecs only knew how to make one type of sacrifice, here:
"In addition to the extraction of the heart, there were other forms of sacrifice that were applied in strict accordance with the Aztec calendar: beheading, falling from a temple, arrow shooting, confinement in caves, drowning, roasting and "rayamiento" (ritual fight)."
wouldn't call drowning "bathed in cold water"
stop romanticizing these savage cultures
They were undoubtedly great... they were escaped slaves from the Chichimecas and they faced tribes more brutal than them and built a city in the middle of a lake, all of that in 200 years...
You can talk about morality and savagery, but the tribes they faced were worse... the Aztecs ate humans for ritual reasons, the enemies of the Aztecs and allies of the Spanish ate humans because they liked the taste, kek even the Spanish allowed the cannibalism of their indigenous allies.
there is a quote from a Spanish "conquistador" indulging the cannibal appetite of the Tlaxcalans after taking the city of Tenochtitlan
>they weren't savages ok! they just killed children and women before eating their corpses on a massive scale
They only ate warriors, and the most worthy... they even refused to eat Spaniards because they found them unworthy, after the Spaniards betrayed them
kek are you kidding?
scale
119 skulls in the column to the god of war and 484 inside the Templo Mayor, is it a massive scale?
not even the most savage of european tribes practiced cannibalism as a religious rite
Vikings had blood sacrifices and consumed the blood of women and children. Some of it exaggerated by the Christians but there is archeological evidence of it.
can you just leave the thread, amerimutt? your retarded uninformed ravings are a waste of time to read
lmao, I'm in the EU, you dumb larping retard
Epitafio
Looks cheap. There's also this
>DAS RITE
Why do retards unironically believe people didn't bathe in the middle ages? The majority of people have always bathed, we as humans don't like to be dirty. Obviously it was a bit harder if they didn't have taps, but they would go to the river or draw a bath. Only mentally ill retards like NEETs don't bathe. Even morons in Africa bathe.
100 IQ is functionally retarded
>never invented the wheel
>somehow built all this shit
do mexicans really?
Atlantean sound waves
Don't forget how they murdered 100,000 people per year for their satanic gods
just like the heretical and satanic catholic church that the spanish follow.
How did they keep it clean
Designated shitting canals.
a lot of these bros itt...
projecting
stop getting angry at white people all day and focus on yourself, brownbros
WE WUZ KANGZ
>this gleaming space-age city wiped out completely and buried under the soil within 2 weeks of 30 spaniards arriving.
>super advanced Aztecs that had sprawling cities
Then how did they get btfo by Spain so easily?
How could they keep it clean? There's no running water? Did slaves just constantly carry all their shit buckets and piss jugs out of the city? I assumed they just shit into the lake.
>WE WUZ KANGS
How did you get defeated so easily then?
I gotchu senpai
What is this from?
The animator reduced the size of the city by a huge amount to save on render time. The source is on artstation.
Tenochtitlan was a lot bigger than that.
damn this synced up well with the howard shore im listening to. fuck I wish mel would make some more kino.
That's a giant fucking water based computer system with basic logic gates. It's like in the 40s when computers had to be as big as a warehouse to do basic calculations. They didn't have wires and electricity so they built a system out of water.
See https://youtu.be/IxXaizglscw
Bullshit but that is a legitimately cool idea for like a Sci-Fi novel or alternate history scenario or something.
>revisionist Facebook post "History" nonsense
Complete with usual anti-White, anti-Western spin even.
Funny how the social-media companies, in their pledge to crack down on misinformation, never seem to crack down on shit like this.
Post the one about how the photographic camera was actually invented by a tribal black man in Africa in the 1600's.
Europe had clean cities, it's in MOVIES that you see people drudging through muddy, grey cities. Also in the Americas human sacrifice was performed
My Nordic ancestors also did human sacrifices and mild cannibalism.
i bet you look nordic as fuck, prussian german ethnicity
>he fell for the roman propaganda
I don’t think the Roman’s even made it to Norway/Sweden. The blood sacrifices by the Vikings are pretty well known.
>"The unpleasant odors in the park, gardens, even the chateau, make one's gorge rise. The communicating passages, courtyards, buildings in the wings, corridors, are full of urine and feces; a pork butcher actually sticks and roasts his pigs at the bottom of the ministers' wing every morning; the avenue Saint-Cloud is covered with stagnant water and dead cats".
>Given the lack of adequate plumbing and the density of people at the palace, many courtiers answered nature's call whenever and wherever it was most convenient. Seeing someone in the act of relieving him or herself wasn't an uncommon sight. The Princesse d'Harcourt, for one, didn't think twice about urinating in public. In 1702, German-born Princess Elizabeth Charlotte recoiled at the behaviors she saw at the French court:
>"... the people stationed in the galleries in front of our room piss in all the corners. It is impossible to leave one's apartments without seeing somebody pissing".
>the french
Checks out
There’s a passageway under a bridge over a canal here in Zurich and every time I use it I think to myself “smells like Europe” because people seem to kiss in it every night.
Granted, that’s the only place in Zurich that smells like pies.
Versailles was notoriously nasty, yes
I will continue to shill Return to Aztlan
you mean Apocalipto you fucking retard?
Hey guys, just got here and quickly read through the thread to catch up.
Do we seriously have a chud here that is unironically playing defense for Aztec human sacrifice?
hello 🙂
i dont know, i didnt read all the posts
Yes and he didn’t even know that his King gambled away his kingdom and even offered his most beautiful daughter to Cortez as a bride
Kino
As if this could have existed in the 1600s without leaving a single trace. It's fanfic.
Look up rosetta stone and where it turned up
>without leaving a single trace.
There are traces. The Spanish tore down most of the structures and used their stones for le churches and shit.
it's /co/, but Onyx Equinox
How were they conquered if they were so advanced?
European diseases that they had no resistance to
Spanish made alliances with their enemies and overthrew them
Why didn't the Europeans die to diseases they had no resistances to?
Europeans already built up resistance to most basic diseases due to living around livestock for thousands of years. Native's largely avoided large animals so they never had any opportunity to. There are theories that syphilis is an New World disease that did get brought back to Europe
I suggest reading Guns, Germs, and Steel
Do you believe that architectural and societal organization necessitates the invention of steel armor and weaponry, let alone explosives? Do you believe that horse cavalry magically appears in places with no native and ancient history of equestrian domestication?
Do you believe that such advancements simultaneously necessitate the creation of magical cures to diseases that destroyed populations of Europeans for centuries? Do you, for instance, believe that ancient Greece, Rome, or Egypt could have stood a snowball's chance against conquistadores?
Are you an even remotely serious human being?
relax reddit spacer, if the aztecs weren't such savage fucking animals the spaniards wouldn't have had so many allies and probably would've been thrown back
White boy summer'd, POC pussy was too enticing
>Hispanic
>white
oh how the mighty have fallen
retard
YWNBWhite, Hispanic
What they created were Hispanics, like the Sarumab meme about corrupted elves into 56% mutts
nah, they got raped by arabs before, they arent pure nor White in the first place
Playing as the plains indians and beating euro armies to get horses/guns, to then attack Aztecs with was fun
Not very thoroughly, the demographic weight of Visigothic spain still largely outweighed them (kinda like in Persia)
If Aztecs were real where are the cities and giant stone structures? They're all over the place in greece and egypt
Aztecs have nothing but a couple pyramids, obviously placed there by aliens and Aztecs were created as an explanation by historians
You can see them in Mexico City. You can climb around the old pyramid- it was mostly dismantled by the Spaniards but the base is still there. You can see other pyramids around the city. You can go to the history museum in Mexico City and see the relics. Jesus, what a chud.
they literally built a floating city in the center of a lake in just 200 years... It is probably one of the most documented civilizations that exist
The Spanish destroyed the pyramids together with the indigenous allies... Also the Spanish let the indigenous allies eat the Aztecs after destroying the city... I suppose the conquistadors were amused by cannibalism.
Keep in mind that the Spanish took over and built on Tenochtitlan for 300 years, making it the capital of "Nueva Espana" akka Mexico, and they never intended to preserve Aztec buildings.
If you want to see the remains of Tenochtitlan, just travel to the capital of Mexico, the entire city is built on top of Tenochtitlan, you can still see some of the remains of the Aztec constructions...
>build their city in the middle of a lake
>knew how to keep it clean
let me guess they just chucked their shit into the lake