Anti-drone shotguns

If you were to construct a cost-effective, man-portable support weapon for drone defense, what would it look like? I think the AA12 is a great starting point:
>set up with birdshot and a choke like a duck gun, if it can take down a duck it can probably take down a $100 drone
>fast rate of fire for FPV suicide drones which you have maybe only seconds to react to
>lower recoil than say the USAS or Saiga due to balanced recoil system, important for multiple shots on target
Cons:
>open bolt with no dust cover, ukrainian mud will frick you up
>heavy POS to not be a primary weapon, drums are space inefficient as well
Thoughts?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Frick off tourist

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    EW > shotty mcshotterson

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >what would it look like?
    a waste of time, money, and effort.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >If you were to construct a cost-effective, man-portable support weapon for drone defense, what would it look like?
    Do it properly. Make it crew served. Obviously pic related would need a fair bit of modernisation before it was ready for service, but the fact that it and its ammunition can be manufactured from low quality materials, quickly, with hand tools, means that it would have a much higher cost effectiveness and efficiency than your overused vidya gun there.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I think if I'm a drone operator and I see a crew-served massive punt gun on the ground I'm just not going there and will instead rape whoever is outside of effective range. The nice thing about the video game gun is that it's (in theory) a squad level deterrent.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It would look like a punt gun or flak cannon. Drones regularly buzz around several hundred feet up. 12g isn't going to cut it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      True, but to become an immediate problem soldiers have to deal with, drones need to drop down to a height where dropped hand grenades actually have a decent chance of hitting them (even providing a deterrent such that the drone cannot drop to that level and thus has to drop the bomb from higher up and less accurately is a win). Additionally, precision FPV strikes necessarily involve the drone closing the distance with soliders before detonating, thus providing a window of time that it is within clay shooting range, the idea being putting as much volume of fire as possible on that target within that window of time.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Thoughts?
      You've never shot a duck in your life.

      Even a punt gun is only good to about 125 yards.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I know 12g is small for putting extra utility or filler on rounds, but would a micro-proxy fuse shell be possible? Enough to shrap a quad drone shouldn't be much.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >this again
    go to a skeet range and see how well the average shooter is against clays
    that's a guy who knows when and where the clay is gonna come out and does this regularly for fun.
    people are dogshit at hitting moving targets.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Same thing applies to every soldier who fires a rifle at a human target, they might hit 1/10th to 1/20th of the shots they actually fire. Volume of fire has always been the answer to this, hence full auto with 20 drums seems to be the logical conclusion, unless I'm missing something.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        what are those soldiers doing the rest of the time?
        you leave awareness and targeting totally unaddressed because you have no answer for it.
        they would not make a meaningful difference because it's an awareness and alertness problem as much as a ballistic problem.
        and the problem will be even more acute because hitting targets on an easy, hitting clays is hard under the best circumstances.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >awareness and alertness
          If you've ever been around a quadcopter before you know that these things are very loud, even more so when they have their motors overclocked to carry heavier payloads. Even when it's loitering it's clearly audible and if you hear the sound of it rapidly getting louder as it approaches you, you bet your ass you are going to start paying attention.
          As for the "hitting moving target is hard", yes. That's why I like the choked AA12 with bird as an option. High volume of fire output with actually astonishingly low recoil using ammunition actually made for shooting stuff out of the sky is, at the very least, a good starting point. Even better if purpose built, specialized ammunition were developed.
          It's not a perfect solution of course, but when the current doctrine is "magdump your assault rifle at the FPV and pray it hits the guy 20m away from you" this is a far superior option

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I have a suspicion that I know more about both shotguns and drones than you. the answer is no, drones aren't loud. particularly not loud compared to a combat environment with people yelling, unsuppressed rifles, rocket launchers, artillery and God knows what else going off around you.
            do you actually think people will stop and think
            >hmmm, that 2000hz whine I totally hear after being back blasted by Pidorovich's RPG-7 and everyone in my squad magdumping and screaming will draw my attention to the sky to spot a small object directly overhead dropping grenades on us.
            go shoot skeet without earpro on, and have the launcher controlled by someone else.
            every time these threads get made it's by some no shotgun, no skeet/sport clay shooting, nodrones waxing philosophical about how clever they are.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Nta, but it seems the first, and most important, challenge countering drones is actually detecting them. Could the gear needed to triangulate the signals coming off a drone be made squad-portable? Something that just delivers a bearing and maybe altitude.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                If that's possible, you might as well just also have EW equipment instead right? Who cares where the drone is if it's disabled. Ultimately the problem with all of that stuff is that it's a backpack's worth of expensive fragile electronics that Johnny moron will immediately break after leaving it in a foot of water at the bottom of his foxhole.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I doubt it would be practical to make it man portable in such an Ewar environment.
                I fly in small planes a lot, even with distance and direction calls from ATC and ADS-B it's really fricking hard to spot aircraft in the sky. it's a poor contrast and high stress environment and then put poor marksmanship on top.
                you'll get occasional hits from an observation drone that got too close and maybe you induce an error in attack drones. but this is at the cost of A WHOLE SQUAD MEMBER.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              You're missing something

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >this is a far superior option
            It's a nearly useless option because most drones are flying much too far away for you to effectively engage them with a shotgun.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        No.
        1/1000th

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >unless I'm missing something.
        ammunition volumetrics which is one of the reasons why the AA-12 was impractical to begin with

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Some longer range choked hunting shotgun would be better.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      In a perfect world that would be better (12 gauge drums are probably the least space efficient magazine ever invented), but it doesn't have any considerations for recoil that the AA12 does and the reliability worries me much the same way that it does for the USAS or Saiga in the same role.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Is 12 gauge big enough to fit radio proximity fuse charges with modern electronics?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      waiting for someone to design a foss proximity fuse on a pcb
      >t. brainlet who probably couldn't do that

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        neither can you homosexual stop acting like we're not equals.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          anon, reread my post
          i think you actually might be a bigger brainlet than me

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Probably, but then you have to also fit explosives for the flak and the shrap itself, you might as well use some proprietary grenade shell at that point.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        doesn't have to produce a large explosion, just enough flak at sufficient speeds to penetrate plastic at like 1-6 feet, pretty much none of the quadcopters being used are armored because of the weight considerations.

        I think the hardest part would be the battery honestly, a battery that is stable enough to survive extreme temperature cycles and medium to long term storage, also, chamber pressures could be a concern, because if you're utilizing all the space of the shell, you're not leaving any space for a crush wad or padding, specialty shotgun barrels may have to be used to allow for the safe operation of an effective proximity load, but I'm just throwing shit out.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    intermediate caliber automatic rifle
    >but its not a shotgun!!!!
    who gives a frick it can still shoot down a drone and every soldier who would be the target market of this new wunderwaffe already has one.
    The problem is never that people can't shoot down drones. the problem is that people don't see drones until they've already been spotted for artillery or killed by the drone.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You're now carrying a specialized shotgun with its own logistical chain that's of limited utility outside anti-drone use on a battlefield.
    Drones are and will be handled by a mixture of EW, smart scopes, and lasers. AAA and missiles will be weapons of last resort.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >limited utility
      Beautiful thing is that you could alternatively remove the choke, load magnum buck and use it as a doorkicker. I'm skeptical how much smart scopes and lasers will help track a tiny zippy thing moving as fast as an FPV does, but I could be proven wrong.
      As a side note, that HK stock rubberization looks really comfy, the marines have it good.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    does a Gatling gun in .50 BMG loaded with ratshot count?

    If goining moron - go all the way!

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