>Another abandoned Russian T-62M tank in #Kherson Oblast; complete with cope cage.

>Another abandoned Russian T-62M tank in #Kherson Oblast; complete with cope cage.
>https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1577189784057163778
I saw a much better state of affairs in African countries, now calling Russia Nigeria with snow is an insult to Nigeria.

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Put a cage over the turret against free fall drone munitions
    >But not over the engine block

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >hurr durr giving the operators peace of mind so they can focus on operating their piece of equipment more effectively is less important than protecting a disposable piece of soviet shit

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        From what I've seen, operators are the disposable piece of soviet shit.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          To a degree they are, but you can't argue that someone who's permanently scared that he's getting drone naded is going to be more effective than someone who has some feeling of relative safety.
          Contrary to PrepHole's shilling I argue the cages are a good idea, even if their effect is mostly psychological.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You might or might not be right.
            But, beating a dead horse, what kind of retard army relies on weird juju or lies to their soldiers about equipment to make them feel better instead of adequately training them?
            This isn't grandpa's lucky watch or a picture of your kids, this is a whole equipment modification that reduces weapon effectiveness, only to please the illiterate tard inside.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              No, anon, you don't get it. They ACTUALLY think they're orks, and if they believe in something happening enough it'll actually work.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah and the only cost is making the tank harder to conceal and harder to scape from

            Is a fucking stupid idea dude

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >giving the operators peace of mind
        is that what they call it there? over here thats called false hope

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >giving the operators peace of mind
        is that what they call it there? over here thats called false hope

        Considering they probably got to see dozens of burn out husks with cope cages on their way to the front, I doubt they actually harbored any delusions about their real life efficiency.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Ok: You're a russian tanker now.
          Do you take the tank with the shitty roof that might bounce off a grenade or make a drone pilot reconsider to try in the first place, or the tank without a roof?
          If you don't want it explain your logic.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            a grenade isn't gonna do shit to a tank and a mortar round isn't gonna get stopped by the cope cages, all this thing does is make abandoning it more difficult, thus making it deadlier to the crew

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >a grenade isn't gonna do shit to a tank
              But to the crew, in particular if it lands inside the opened hatch.
              >and a mortar round isn't gonna get stopped by the cope cages
              Maybe not all of it but it can make the difference of killing 1 person who sticks his head out and everyone inside the tank because a lucky hit got the hatch.

              My case stands: I'd take a roof furnished from a pallet rather than nothing because drones and their vertical attacks are a very real threat.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >But to the crew, in particular if it lands inside the opened hatch.
                do you even read what you right? these things aren't laser guided, hitting a small as fuck opening is extremely difficult, also why are they even with the hatch open in the first place?
                >Maybe not all of it but it can
                no it can't

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                If a drone throws 50 grenades the 51st is going to hit it's mark.
                It's a game of numbers.
                >why are they even with the hatch open in the first place?
                I assume to have someone look with binoculars.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >If a drone throws 50 grenades the 51st is going to hit it's mark.
                if at 50 fucking grenades the hatch is still open then they deserve to die
                >I assume to have someone look with binoculars.
                great, it kills the commander, the cope cage still does fuck all

                Again, i haven't seen a single video of a tank with cope cage being destroyed by a drone

                No shit, maybe because grenades don't do shit to a tank

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >if at 50 fucking grenades the hatch is still open then they deserve to die
                Not one after the other and not at the same target...
                You might as well argue that modern guns are obsolete because only 0.2% shots hit their target.
                >Lmao once the first shots come you just duck your head down lmao xxxddd

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Not the other guy but you usually keep the hatches open untill it's absolutely needed to button up. It's retarded how little you can see once you are inside the tank. You tend to live longer if you keep your situational awareness up.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Again, i haven't seen a single video of a tank with cope cage being destroyed by a drone

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                They mostly stopped using them. This was probably donbabwe militants being retarded in a metal shop

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        To a degree they are, but you can't argue that someone who's permanently scared that he's getting drone naded is going to be more effective than someone who has some feeling of relative safety.
        Contrary to PrepHole's shilling I argue the cages are a good idea, even if their effect is mostly psychological.

        The psychological effect must wear off after they see how copecage acts against a top-attack munition.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Then the question to you as well:

          Ok: You're a russian tanker now.
          Do you take the tank with the shitty roof that might bounce off a grenade or make a drone pilot reconsider to try in the first place, or the tank without a roof?
          If you don't want it explain your logic.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I have observed that there are Three types of Copecages
      Flat tops which are just flat and are made to "protect" against Drone Grenades and are the easiest to make (I think these are also the most practical)
      Half Angled ones like in OPs picrel which are presumably made in the hopes of stopping top attack missiles, they require more effort to make for basically no return in increased effectiveness
      and
      Fully Angled Ones whos entire cope cage is angle ,which are just shittier to the previous type and fulfill the same role while being the most restrictive to crew movement but being easier to build than the other one
      Hope you enjoy my random autism

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >put something over the engine block
      >turret can no longer rotate 360 degrees

      Imagine being dumber then a fucking Russian tank commander.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Imagine not understanding basic engineering principles.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >I don't understand leverage, how it impacts a tank turret on it's bearings, or anything else

          Also, this may come as a surprise to you, but the tank turret isn't fixed at exactly forward and would shear off your extended cope cage against a wall, tree, or anything else when it rotated past the body of the tank at best, or impede the rotation of the turret if you somehow made it sturdy enough to not.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I think the minimal weight of the cope cage extension would have any effect at all on the kind of heavy duty bearings A FUCKING TANK TURRET rests on
            Shut the fuck up you dumb engineering illiterate moron. Just shut up and fuck off. If we listened to you people would think the turret would be unbalanced by hanging their kitbags on the bag. Fuck off and have a nice day you moron.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >what is leverage
              >how does it effect the balance of a tank turret, especially if you're welding pieces of steel onto the back that extend 5 feet
              >how is this compounded with it being placed directly opposite to the gun

              I know reading is hard for someone who's shown themselves to be dumber then a vodka addled USSR reject, but the point isn't about the weight directly pressing on the bearings but on how adding a massive counterweight that you're projecting so far off the turret would lead to it being off balanced. You also didn't even address the other concern with your retarded idea getting destroyed the moment the tank rotates it's turret, which leads me to believe you realized that you're a retard now that it's been pointed out to you and now are in the process of coping and seething instead of just taking the L.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Massive counterweight
                moron, it's not even gonna weight 100kgs
                Shut the fuck up you tiresome spacker

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          why not this tbh?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            oh shit

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      hownew.ru? These were day 1 anti-Javelin “defenses”, and have been getting rarer as the war goes on and tanks get pulled from storage.

      https://i.imgur.com/42FXumA.jpg

      >Another abandoned Russian T-62M tank in #Kherson Oblast; complete with cope cage.
      >https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1577189784057163778
      I saw a much better state of affairs in African countries, now calling Russia Nigeria with snow is an insult to Nigeria.

      Cage on a T62? That would indicate a Donbas militia unit, but the Z was a Crimea marking. Maybe it got “borrowed” from them to fill out the regulars’ ranks?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >anti-Javelin defense

        People who spout this are so fucking retarded, they deserve to have their fingernails pulled out. Russia's initial invasion, where the cope cages were most common, was expecting minimal resistance, no Western weapon donations, and instead at most an insurgent population. Russia's experience in Syria and other ME shitholes had led to them seeing first hand how effective commercial drones dropping explosives were against vehicles, and so they adopted the cope cages as a way of having some sort of protection from air dropped IEDs, anti-tank grenades, and other marginal threats. As the war wore on, we saw cope cages disappear as a result of the main threat to Russian tanks being weapons where this offered no protection and made bailing out in the case of a catastrophic hit harder.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Javelins and NLAWs were both present in Ukraine prior to the invasion, and at least the former appears to have had them spooked to at least some extent. Furthermore, both these systems and especially NLAWs are easily usable in the scattered resistance/insurgency scenario that Russia was expecting. Drone-dropped munitions are still very much a factor in Ukraine, especially during the stalled-out Summer in the Donbas, right when the cages started disappearing.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            There was under 100 Javelin systems in Ukraine before the war, and while I don't have a figure NLAWs, I can't imagine that they were nearly as numerous either. Russia likely didn't forsee the outpouring of military aid to Ukraine, especially in the form of top attack munitions, given how there was no such thing after their quick roll in Crimea in 2014. This is such a minor threat, numerically speaking, that it wouldn't have warranted the widespread utilization of the cope cages.

            While drone systems have scored plenty of propaganda vids in the result of the initial slowdown, almost none of them, and literally none that I have seen, have involved an attack against an tank, instead targeting the squishy vatnik soldiers because they have better systems that are a more reliable kill to a tank then dropping some HE from a drone and crossing their fingers. There's also the consideration that the rate of losses has meant that tanks are being shipped to the front as fast as they can return them to service, which would preclude them from having the time to weld on the cope cages even if they were still viewed as a practical defense, but I don't think even the Russians believed they'd do anything against a modern munition and instead intended to just protect themselves from appearing in an ISIS-style highlight video.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Hope shawshank redemption will make a review on those t62

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Looks like it was set on fire at some point
    Which might actually be a use for them if you could burn them

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    That looks like one of the original copecages from the start of the war, they seemed to stop using them by March after even Wikipedia was calling them cope cages and it became a worldwide laughing stock.
    Why did they think some iron bars would stop an explosive powerful enough to blow the dome off these rolling shitheaps from a distance?

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ok morons, I'll bite. I haven't seen a single video of a tank with a cope cage being destroyed with drones. They work against drone dropped munitions

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    remember when the narrative was that they only were for stationary rearline defense ?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I remember the narrative from the first days about "they send their weakest units just to get targets for VDVArmataSu-57 ubersoldiers"

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      they still are for rear defense it seems, just shows how far the ukies have advanced

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Red pill me on slat armor
    Does it do anything against modern shoulder-fired rocket systems?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Stops HEAT and shaped-charges, that’s about it. And so far, it hasn’t done a good job, because a few got smoked from Javelins which are shaped charges. Israelis use little balls and chains instead nowadays, Russia is just behind as usual

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    HE CANT KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Isn't it possible that cope cages are actually for more easily hiding your tank from above with foliage and shit?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      You don't usage cages for that
      They're mostly meant for shitty rockets like RPGs and grenades

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      that would mean they would have actual foliage on them when spotted, for the most part. Not even when they were moving around mostly was it there.

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    add 3 walls to that and you can raise chickens

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Damn, there were cope cages that survived that long?

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