>Whose fault is it that the helicopter is going to crash?
And when you crash, the helicopter crashes too, it must be pretty pissed and it knows exactly who just killed it.
Many possibilities comrade >altimeter was sold for krokodil >altimeter was never installed in the first place because altimeter funds were spent on krokodil >altimeter was there but not functional because maintenance funds were spent on krokodil
Don't be facetious, not every single failure of Russian equipment is due to corruption and lack of quality. It could simply be >trainers only care about krokodil, so the pilots were only taught to fly by sight
If they are ordered to hug the waves, and can't see any visual reference of how high they are, I'd imagine it would be easy to crash.
That, or just vodka.
Could just be loss of orientation, pure instrumental flight is not easy, even if there are no further difficulties like fog - it being dark is enough. And over the sea dark means really dark.
Yeah. It's not a new phenomenon that killed soldiers vanish. Even during peacetime the Russian army had over 1000 deaths a year that were officially acknowledged, iirc. How many more are just swept under the rug is hard to estimate but it's definitely more than 0. A lot more.
That they were using the same methods - no body, no loss - was suspected from the beginning when they were rolling up with multiple mobile crematoriums. They tried to pass it off as normal and that they wouldn't see (weren't seeing) much use.
Than the reports started coming in that they were basically in use 24/7 and the rumors that they weren't even trying to fill out the paperwork came with it. And all that was long before we heard from POW that they were burning their own bodies in open pits.
>rumors that they weren't even trying to fill out the paperwork came with it
But that makes sense, what's the point of running a mobile crematorium to hide the deaths if you fill out paperwork confirming the deaths?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yeah. It's not a new phenomenon that killed soldiers vanish. Even during peacetime the Russian army had over 1000 deaths a year that were officially acknowledged, iirc. How many more are just swept under the rug is hard to estimate but it's definitely more than 0. A lot more.
That they were using the same methods - no body, no loss - was suspected from the beginning when they were rolling up with multiple mobile crematoriums. They tried to pass it off as normal and that they wouldn't see (weren't seeing) much use.
Than the reports started coming in that they were basically in use 24/7 and the rumors that they weren't even trying to fill out the paperwork came with it. And all that was long before we heard from POW that they were burning their own bodies in open pits.
Yeah lmao I was to laugh about it as well???
Why would they
>helicopter crash >over a kilometre out to sea >Russian
Yeah, no.
I'm surprised that the Ka-52 crew survived, usually they get fragged by MANPADS when the ejection system can't save them from being peppered by fragments.
In vatspeak it means both died, fell on an ammo dump, which exploded killing 25, debris fell onto a school in Blyatsk killing 2000 kids. Also it never happened and also it happend to ukrops xaxaxa.
>weapon platform becomes relevant and does what its supposed to for a change >keep sending it recklessly without accounting for the enemy targetting it and adapting their defenses to counter it >lose whole fleet in a few months
In every level, Russia is a country where competence gets punished, not even the hardware is safe
Those choppers are pretty good at auto-rotation hard landings, too. I can barely believe it, but the fucking Russians actually made something geared towards crew survivability.
Apparently it really is a new thing:
https://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2023/09/4/7418368/
When the counteroffensive started, Ukrainians were complaining about their tanks being shooting ducks for pozzyan helicopters. And then these helicopters just started falling off the sky, Interesting.
It's not new, Russia tried the same thing during the Kherson offensive using Ka-52's to try and turn it back, after a while they stopped due to high loses.
At this point I feel they are desperate enough to burn through their remaining attack helicopter fleet now that Ukraine is through Russia's biggest defensive line.
The lines at the start of the offensive were (relatively) clearly defined which let them actually take advantage of their superior range. Now the lines are a hell of a lot more blurry which means Ukrainians get more chances to pick them off. Combine that with a hell of a lot more wear and tear on the fleet and it is not exactly shocking they're getting attritioned again.
>superior range
Compared to what? I guess Ukraine doesn't have their AA equipment right at the front because it would be too exposed?
Just to be clear: I'm not disagreeing with you, would just like some clarification
t. noob
>Compared to what?
Heat seeking missiles. These helicopters fly low to avoid being targeted by the longer range radar guided missiles while outranging the MANPAD's that are right on the front line. Now that the front lines are less distinguised it's harder to know where the guys with MANPAD's are hiding.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
I see, so basically the same thing planes are doing by flying low and lobbing bombs, just more exposed because the helicopter has to sit still to guide the missile instead of just leaving?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
They don’t have that many laser guided missiles so they reserve it to specific fronts, like the Robotyne axis.
Ukraine knows this so they use smoke tactics and other techniques to dissuade laser systems.
Nah he's talking about manpads I believe. Russians were launching the helos well behind lines and were safe. Now the line has been stretched to the point ukie teams can get these helos when they weren't able to. After all this helo has the honor of being killed by stugna 2x and javelin once.
The latest Stinger has a 7.6 km range, but the Ukies probably got a bunch of the older ones with the 4.8 km range. The Vikhr missile fired by the Ka-52 has a 10-12 km range.
That means that a Ka-52 hovering near the ground can wait for an armored column and start firing laser-guided missiles before the MANPADS team could get close. They'd be below the horizon and thus out of reach from longer range missiles like the Buk or S-300.
>ranjeet the posting of shit is not work, they talk about ukrain be doing good >just redeem thing they says about how when we posts it must be bad day for russia and reverse >benchood you are of genius
IIRC one more loss and they're above 50% of ka52 destroyed in this war. these are basically irreplaceable at this point and who knows what % of those remaining vehicles are still functional or being cannibalized for parts.
Lol crashing due to fog lmao. The KA-52 is such dog shit.
Those are called "Operational Losses". A bunch of aircraft are lost for non combat reasons during a war.
Do you think turkey or Ukraine could take some of these Russia designs and fix all their problem?
WOOP WOOP - 100 meteres, 50, 40, 30, 10 RETARD RETARD
If only they set the electronics to Russian instead of leaving it as the default French. The KA-52 might still be alive today.
Good luck getting by without French in Morocco, Abdullah.
>brownoid
>endlessly seething at the particular white nation that lifted them out of the bronze age
you literally can't name a more iconic duo
why does the helicopter insult you right before you crash?
seems unnecessarily mean
Whose fault is it that the helicopter is going to crash?
>Whose fault is it that the helicopter is going to crash?
And when you crash, the helicopter crashes too, it must be pretty pissed and it knows exactly who just killed it.
You have an altimeter and the floor is sea level. How do you crash when your pilots should be highly capable instrument rated?
Many possibilities comrade
>altimeter was sold for krokodil
>altimeter was never installed in the first place because altimeter funds were spent on krokodil
>altimeter was there but not functional because maintenance funds were spent on krokodil
Don't be facetious, not every single failure of Russian equipment is due to corruption and lack of quality. It could simply be
>trainers only care about krokodil, so the pilots were only taught to fly by sight
>there was no training except for a krokodil-induced fever dream
Krokodil all the way down
There's always the possibility of
>altimeter was there and functioning but the pilots were on krokodil
you are forgetting the third option:
>Pilots were at sea level on purpose because they were looking for (saltwater) krokodil
How the fuck did they crash "due to fog" over open water? Did Russia enlist Kobe's pilot?
If they are ordered to hug the waves, and can't see any visual reference of how high they are, I'd imagine it would be easy to crash.
That, or just vodka.
Could just be loss of orientation, pure instrumental flight is not easy, even if there are no further difficulties like fog - it being dark is enough. And over the sea dark means really dark.
Alternatively, it’s a helicopter and thus unsafe.
And 1!!!!
>both pilots survived
A shame.
>helicopter crash
>over a kilometre out to sea
>Russian
Yeah, no.
They swam to shore on their own power.
Until the bodies are found they are still alive.
Then they'd better hurry up and deploy the stray dogs, or they might have to report them as casualties.
Did you ever question the official reason for the deployment of dolphins around a certain bridge?
So this is why russia has that few reported deaths in this not war?
Yup. No body means no proof of death which means no payout to the families.
Yeah. It's not a new phenomenon that killed soldiers vanish. Even during peacetime the Russian army had over 1000 deaths a year that were officially acknowledged, iirc. How many more are just swept under the rug is hard to estimate but it's definitely more than 0. A lot more.
That they were using the same methods - no body, no loss - was suspected from the beginning when they were rolling up with multiple mobile crematoriums. They tried to pass it off as normal and that they wouldn't see (weren't seeing) much use.
Than the reports started coming in that they were basically in use 24/7 and the rumors that they weren't even trying to fill out the paperwork came with it. And all that was long before we heard from POW that they were burning their own bodies in open pits.
>rumors that they weren't even trying to fill out the paperwork came with it
But that makes sense, what's the point of running a mobile crematorium to hide the deaths if you fill out paperwork confirming the deaths?
Yeah lmao I was to laugh about it as well???
Why would they
They simply hitched a ride on the Moskva.
I'm surprised that the Ka-52 crew survived, usually they get fragged by MANPADS when the ejection system can't save them from being peppered by fragments.
>both pilots survived
In vatspeak it means both died, fell on an ammo dump, which exploded killing 25, debris fell onto a school in Blyatsk killing 2000 kids. Also it never happened and also it happend to ukrops xaxaxa.
I hope they start dropping like Mi-28s, but it doesn't sound like it was a mechanical problem.
Roughly half of their original number have been shot down or something lmao
This is the 41st out of ~120 before the war
That we know of, anon, and you're pretending they all work kek
Those are the visually confirmed shoot downs only.
>weapon platform becomes relevant and does what its supposed to for a change
>keep sending it recklessly without accounting for the enemy targetting it and adapting their defenses to counter it
>lose whole fleet in a few months
In every level, Russia is a country where competence gets punished, not even the hardware is safe
>both pilots survive
I think the russians actually got it right with ejection seats for rotary aircraft.
Those choppers are pretty good at auto-rotation hard landings, too. I can barely believe it, but the fucking Russians actually made something geared towards crew survivability.
Isn't this news from a couple of days ago?
They just keep falling
Apparently it really is a new thing:
https://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2023/09/4/7418368/
When the counteroffensive started, Ukrainians were complaining about their tanks being shooting ducks for pozzyan helicopters. And then these helicopters just started falling off the sky, Interesting.
Also, checked.
It's not new, Russia tried the same thing during the Kherson offensive using Ka-52's to try and turn it back, after a while they stopped due to high loses.
At this point I feel they are desperate enough to burn through their remaining attack helicopter fleet now that Ukraine is through Russia's biggest defensive line.
The lines at the start of the offensive were (relatively) clearly defined which let them actually take advantage of their superior range. Now the lines are a hell of a lot more blurry which means Ukrainians get more chances to pick them off. Combine that with a hell of a lot more wear and tear on the fleet and it is not exactly shocking they're getting attritioned again.
>superior range
Compared to what? I guess Ukraine doesn't have their AA equipment right at the front because it would be too exposed?
Just to be clear: I'm not disagreeing with you, would just like some clarification
t. noob
>Compared to what?
Heat seeking missiles. These helicopters fly low to avoid being targeted by the longer range radar guided missiles while outranging the MANPAD's that are right on the front line. Now that the front lines are less distinguised it's harder to know where the guys with MANPAD's are hiding.
I see, so basically the same thing planes are doing by flying low and lobbing bombs, just more exposed because the helicopter has to sit still to guide the missile instead of just leaving?
They don’t have that many laser guided missiles so they reserve it to specific fronts, like the Robotyne axis.
Ukraine knows this so they use smoke tactics and other techniques to dissuade laser systems.
Nah he's talking about manpads I believe. Russians were launching the helos well behind lines and were safe. Now the line has been stretched to the point ukie teams can get these helos when they weren't able to. After all this helo has the honor of being killed by stugna 2x and javelin once.
The latest Stinger has a 7.6 km range, but the Ukies probably got a bunch of the older ones with the 4.8 km range. The Vikhr missile fired by the Ka-52 has a 10-12 km range.
That means that a Ka-52 hovering near the ground can wait for an armored column and start firing laser-guided missiles before the MANPADS team could get close. They'd be below the horizon and thus out of reach from longer range missiles like the Buk or S-300.
I'm sorry starstreak
no parts to do maintenance? sanctions are hitting them hard, huh.
>crashed due to fog
Easily recoverable and repairable then
can't be found in the fog dumbass
They'll just go after the GPS signal of its black box
With a submarine?
gps signals can't get through the fog which made the heli crash in the first place!
>follow heli gps into fog
>find black box
>can't find way out, no signal
>nothing but water and fog around as far as the eye can see
Now what retard
Don't worry, the Moskva has been dispatched for a special underwater recovery operation
it returned into the sea under its own power
it's just on anti-submarine duties*~~
Maybe it's just fun to take in Pozzia's unforced errors?
I'm not seeing the spam but it's not a good news cycle for Ukraine today. The prestige press is not happy.
>ranjeet the posting of shit is not work, they talk about ukrain be doing good
>just redeem thing they says about how when we posts it must be bad day for russia and reverse
>benchood you are of genius
classic "no u"
esl
>Two threads
>Spam
Ranjeet, you're a moron.
love when they play victim
There can't be many of them left by now. Anyone know how many are left?
IIRC one more loss and they're above 50% of ka52 destroyed in this war. these are basically irreplaceable at this point and who knows what % of those remaining vehicles are still functional or being cannibalized for parts.
how many are still left?