Currently playing through AC: Odyssey and it fucking kicks ass. (Not playing as the chick because I'm not gay, Alexios all the way). Its got me really into Ancient Greece, especially the weapon and armor. Post cool stuff about warfare and weapons of the era (non-Greek stuff from the period like Persian etc is also cool)
Also is it true Greek Linothorax chest armor could stop arrows? Saw this claim while reading up on Greek warfare, claiming the Greeks had their own form of Kevlar. Pic rel
>Not playing as the chick because I'm not gay, Alexios all the way
The Greeks would never allow a woman to be a merc, but they also invented gayness. Therefore, I went with Alexios and fucked everyone and anyone with a pulse.
True they would be into the gayness.
I just got sick of hearing for years "OH DA FEMALE VOICE ACTRESS IS SOOO GUD THE MALE ONE IS AWFUL ALSO THE FEMALE CHARACTER IZ CANON" from like every single reviewer. I generally don't play as females in games anyway because I want to identify with my character and I'm a guy.
Really digging the armor and weapon variety in the game, shit is really cool. Shit combat is neat too, even if it doesn't have as much variety in weaponry like Black Flag. I couldnt really get into Origins but Odyssey feels like a much better version of what they were going for with Origins. I read Ubi wanted Odyssey to be "Witched 3 but in Ancient Greece" and it does feel more like an open world RPG than an AC game.
I may give Valhalla a try after I 100% this.
*Ship combat
I like how when the ships sink the bodies on the float and sharks will come to the area to eat them. Also that the ships actually sink to the bottom and you can swim down and loot the chests if you hadn't even after they sunk. Makes Black Flag seem primitive in that regard
I played as Cassandra so I could stare at her ass but my understanding is that Alexios comes across as much less of an asshole in the cut scenes.
He seems like a bro to be honest and I think his VA is fine. I don't know why to this day any review I read or watch says Cassandra is the only way to play
it probably varied a lot, both in the construction of the armor and where & when exactly the arrow hit, how much energy it had left. that said thickly woven textile can be pretty effective, and you'd think there's no way we keep seeing it mentioned for centuries if it wasn't effective for its weight. people like alexander surely could've afforded metal breastplates if they wanted them.
they're more the same than different, people just hyper-fixate on the differences because there's a perceived political/social aspect to it. both performances are fine really. see also: male vs female shepard in mass effect
Don’t forget japanese silky bubble butts to stop arrows!
Is that to protect the horse and rider behind? It doesn't look like it would be too helpful otherwise.
yeah, it's supposed to catch or slow down arrows coming from behind, supposedly fairly effective
I think there is a wood framework under all of that stuff. It's kind of like early spaced armor.
Makes sense, I bet the airflow feels nice in the heat too.
I liked Origins because I think Ptolemaic Egypt was kino, but Odyssey was more fun and had a better story. I didn't get far in Valhalla tho. The setting just seemed less interesting and the devs were trying too hard to make raiding, slaving conquerors into safe epic heroes. Plus you still get plenty of
>OH DA FEMALE VOICE ACTRESS IS SOOO GUD THE MALE ONE IS AWFUL ALSO THE FEMALE CHARACTER IZ CANON
Probably should've used this pic, but forgot I had it.
>one handed axe
it was definitely the spear.
Yes I've hard that about Valhalla. That era of Ancient Egypt IS indeed kino and I remember getting Origins when it was new and jut not being able to get into it but this was coming off ma marathoning the whole series up to that and I think the problem was I wanted to play it as a traditional AC and not this new action RPG style. Now that I'm totally on board with it via Odyssey, I think I'll go back to Origins after I finish. Its hella cheap now I think.
I really dig the ocean in Odyssey, its so vast and being able to swim down anywhere and see whales and fight sharks and watch ships sink with physics is awesome. Is the sea like that in Origins too?
>Is the sea like that in Origins too?
No. Iirc the naval combat in Origins is limited to two sections where you play as the MC's wife. Otherwise, you only really got the Nile to explore.
I don't deny the spear is ultimate pre-modern weapon, but you spearfags are insufferable. You ever try to cut down a tree with a spear? Dude was probably just bringing the only thing he had: a tool from his dad's shed.
>I don't deny the spear is ultimate pre-modern weapon, but you spearfags are insufferable.
I'm not a spearfag. It's simply a fact it was the defacto primary weapon of the norsemen. It's not even a question. It definitely was not a one handed axe as the image claims. It's even just used as a generic standin for "weapon" in norse texts.
>Let a man never stir on his road a step without his weapons of war; for unsure is the knowing when need shall arise of a spear on the way without
>A coward believes he will ever live, if he keep him safe from strife: but old age leaves him not long in peace, though spears may spare his life.
>I'm not a spearfag
Alright, maybe I was too hasty with that accusation. And the image was certainly made for more for humor, but I can definitely see a third or fourth son going on his first raid with a simple hatchet and buying a real spear with the proceeds.
did some use one handed axes sometimes? Sure. I'm just arguing at the "A one handed axe was the most popular weapon" statement in the pic. That's all man.
>did some use one handed axes sometimes? Sure. I'm just arguing at the "A one handed axe was the most popular weapon" statement in the pic. That's all man.
All good man. I overreacted. Like
said, the spearfagging trauma got the better of me. Realistically, as soon as I get paid or these slaves/booty, I'm buying a knife on a stick.
I 100% understand bro, I've been there too. I swear to God if one of those retarded barbarian shits tries to tell me the gladius wasn't the primary weapon of the Romans and it was in fact the pilum, I will crucify somebody.
My bro
Much spearfagging trauma, mister Evil 666?
Norsemen ESPECIALLY would already have spears. They were the go-to weapon for hunting any aquatic creature and any large land animal.
Ac odyssey is meh
>retarded mutts who still believe the ancient greece was gay meme
Kys
>bros we only have sex with little boys so it's not gay
you would fit right in in Afghanistan
Gee, why would anyone think that
Nice modern forgery.
We've found tens of thousands of examples of decorated greek pottery from the classical period.
33, that's thirty three, had probably gay shit on them.
We also have many ancient texts discussing the matter. It was a very common thing (homosexual pederasty) and many people approved of it, there are philosophical texts arguing that it's part of male bonding, makes better warriors, citizens etc. Others disproved. Spartans would call Athenians boy-fuckers as an insult, even though they themselves also fucked their boy slaves. All this is very well documented, it's not like we don't have writings from that era.
>it's not like we don't have writings from that era.
We don’t. What we have are medieval gay monks talking about Persian gays talking about Roman skirt gays talking about pure heterosexual Greeks.
with a maiden’s glance,
I seek you out, but you hear not,
Unknowing that you are the charioteer
Of my soul
-Totally straight Greek dude, 5th century BC
These things I tell you, Kurnos, for your good:
I learned them, as a boy, from gentlemen [arestoi];
Rule one: no honor, prize, or cash reward
Can justify a base of crooked act.
The second rule: avoid ‘low’ company,
Mix only with the better sort of men.
Drink with these men, and eat, and sit with them,
And court them, for their power is great; from them
You will learn goodness. Men of little worth
Will spoil the natural virtue of your birth.
Do this and you’ll acknowledge, in the end,
-another totally straight individual, talking about courting older men as a young boy
Very heterosexual for sure
There's a Platonic dialogue where various learned men of Athens (in varying stages of drunkenness) make speeches about what love is. Homosexuality is discussed in depth and is argued to be the best form of love by several of the participants. Alcibiades ends the whole thing by talking about how much he wants to fuck Socrates.
Yeah yeah yeah. And where do you think that text comes from? Certainly not a jar buried under Athens 2400 year ago.
Yeah and there's even jokes in Greek plays where women are chasing old coomers out of the gymnasium because they were jerking off to boys working out and its clear its not acceptable. Howabout we step out of theater and look into actual Greek society
>At the pinnacle of Greek culture and influence in Europe, sodomy was illegal and punished by exile from proper society/stripping of citizenship or more physical punishments like radishing where they'd stick large vegetables up your ass while your in a stockade
>shoving objects up the ass as a punishment for being gay
I can't see that working too well
I don't think getting rawdogged by a prized leek without lube is a pleasurable experience.
Masochism is a thing, as is exhibitionism.
Anal wasn't really the main gay thing in Ancient Greece, it was considered very demeaning to use a man's body like a woman. At least for citizens. Male prostitutes (eteroi) and slaves were another matter, of course. Plus, I can imagine not a lot of people would enjoy anal before running water was a thing and with olive oil being the only lube available.
It perhaps wasn't, I'm not an expert on ancient greek homosexual practices, but even back then they would call homosexuals stuff like "gapers" in reference to them having anal sex.
Which city you dumb gays? There wasn't consensus across Greece and you're both retards for acting like there was
It was a thing in all of Greece. The Ancient Geeks had many theories about where it originated (Xenophon thought it was a Cretan thing originally) but by the Classical period it had spread everywhere. The only thing that differed was the traditions in each city. Athens had pederasty between mentors and their students, Sparta had it integrated into their warrior culture and was put upon the eilotes(slaves), and in Crete it was part of a coming-of-age ritual where the older male friends/relatives of a boy would "abduct" him to the woods and teach him how to be a man, so to speak.
Wait... So Plato got buttfucked by Socrates?
Nope, though he wished he was, and created the concept of Platonic Love as cope.
How do you know? If homosexuality between mentor and students was coming why wouldn't he?
We didn't find many. You do know they were laws against it. Lycurgus, if I remember correctly, wrote some of those laws and those laws were pretty brutal. The sad irony is that even the word lesbian doesn't mean what the rest of the world thinks it means.
If I had to guess I'd say the vast majority of that pottery is unadorned at all. Only the rich would have ornate shit and even then I'm sure ornate shit with people fuckin was still considered a bit risque even if not anywhere to the extent the West has made sexual stuff today.
The Greeks invented sex and the Romans added women. That joke is older than most countries.
>the ancient greece was gay meme
Right, fucking twinks in the ass is not gay.
I suspect Linothorax was more like rope armor than just some layers of fabric stitched together.
>I think it was more like layers of fabric woven together instead of stitched together
I see.
Here. This video will answer all your questions about the linothorax better than anyone in this thread can, including myself.
lol no, wtf would even give you that impression?
>Aldrete
I like the guy but his whole methodology is flawed because it starts from something that literally never happened.
tf are you talking about?
See
That is correct, but they did do it with shields and I don't think it's a very big jump to go from that to armor.
Of course, that's very circumstantial evidence and I do realize that so I'll probably be proven wrong some day.
The thing is, pretty much every single civilization from all across the world that used textile armor (regardless of any actual glue usage for other things) always and without exception went for the quilted option. The myth was literally born out of a misconception from Peter Connolly, and beyond that there isn't any shred of evidence whatsoever that they used glued linen armor. It is more likely they either used hardened leather or rawhide (there was actually a contemporary term for this type of armor: spolas), or quilted linen.
And here' what a quilted thorax might have looked like.
Glued linen makes for very strong and fairly cheap armour in real life so there is no good reason to think they didnt use it
That's not how archeology works, though. We can't just assume something did happen just because from the benefit of our modern perspective something might have been the "obvious" thing to do. There needs to be some sort of evidence, be it written or physical, or at least parallelisms with other cultures, and there is none whatsoever here.
It was not. Again this was literally just Peter Connolly theorizing the tube and yoke armor might have been made out of glued linen due to the apparent springiness of the material in artwork, but this can also be true of tightly quilted linen or leather. And that's it, that's literally all there is to the "glued linen armor" theory.
It was layers of linen glued together and was a actually pretty strong
>not gay
>stares at a man's ass the whole game
The fact that you had to tell us that you weren't gay probably means that you're gay. Playing Ubisoft games makes you gay by default anyway.
You're missing out, seriously
I never understood this argument. If you wanna jerk off, watch porn. Game are about getting to experience fantastical settings or situations and 'm a dude so I want be a dude character
The first reply of the thread is correct though about Greek attitudes towards gayry so I will probably make my Alexios buttfuck guys as well as girls since it fits the setting.
Still not gay.
gay
That's what Alcibiades is in the game for.
Cow bone armor was very common for poor soldiers. Something they never show in the media.
Total War: Troy. The minotaur even wears an elephant skull as a helmet.
There's all kinds of armor that levymen or poor soldiers wore throughout history that we'll probably never see in media because none of it exists anymore. For example I'm confident that hardwood armor was common in Europe, but you'll never find evidence for it because it was probably discarded after use and simply rotted away in some forest. Why not strap a couple of oak planks to your chest? You definitely are not cutting through it and it can probably take a couple of stabs before breaking, it's 100% better than nothing.
>Also is it true Greek Linothorax chest armor could stop arrows? Saw this claim while reading up on Greek warfare, claiming the Greeks had their own form of Kevlar. Pic rel
It depends a lot on how thick the armor is and how the arrow/arrowhead are constructed. I guess in theory it could work against more crude arrows, but more advanced bodkins and crossbow bolts would likely be presenting too small a surface area for the armor to be able to stop it.
Also if you don't want to FUCK Cassandra you are gay.
Fuck Cassandra? I would of course. Play as her in my Ancient Greek power fantasy spearing and cutting down foes like I'm Achilles in Troy? Nah
Reminder that there is literally zero proof this used glue. Interesting and fun experiment but ultimately meaningless.
Back then metal was scarce, there were far more slingers on the battlefield than archers and if the archers ran out of arrows they were forced to become slingers as well.
Many arrows were poorly made, arrows bounce off things, some archers were weak, some bows had wet strings etc etc.
Much like bullets, nothing was really arrow proof but many things might stop an arrow.
Also the exact manufacture of these things was lost to the ages, but having lived in indigenous societies I can tell you that people's who work with fiber are really good with it.
There are some incredibly strong natural fibers, there are vines, there is wicker. All can be woven in very complex arrangements.
I've seen fibre armor reinforced with shell, wooden panels, bark armor is very common, I've seen fiber jelled into a hard plate with egg white or other glues.
They say "cloth" but to ancient people what qualified as cloth was very different, these people didn't have cotton, they'd never even seen a shuttle loom or a double weft board. Were talking ANCIENT Greece.
Hey I'm a Roman fanboy, from this I happen to know that in hot climates like Judea the Legionaries would exchange chainmail for linen cuirass.
This I understand to be many layers of Linen glued together to form a stiff board.
I am led to understand that it was given to crack upon reicieving a powerful thrust, but that it was good enough.
You may have already known this but if not there yah go.
If your linothorax stopped an arrow to the chest would you still be able to fight or be too injured?
I'm just sad that you can't use a shield and larp as a hoplite
Yeah no shields seem like a missed opportunity. I get it, you're supposed to be agile and able to run climb and parkour at any time and a shield on your back would complicate this but who cares?
Another missed opportunity is no monsters or legendary beasts to fight in the sea.
If arrows could pierce linothorax so easily then Alexanders pike blocks would get melted before making contact