Yeah in a weird fucking twist
The United States has decided to donate 61 tons of weapons to somalia
https://mobile.twitter.com/US2SOMALIA/status/1630593055408439296
American gives somalia 61 tons of weapons
Yeah in a weird fucking twist
The United States has decided to donate 61 tons of weapons to somalia
https://mobile.twitter.com/US2SOMALIA/status/1630593055408439296
somaliland bros.... we lost...
We've killed 500 Somali soliders on one week
We can do it again
>we
While I'm favorable to Somaliland, kys yourself for being a shill or worse probably a Somililand internet defense force agent
They gave the weapons to the Mogadishu citystate to fight jihadists in the south. So far they don't intervene in the Somaliland - Puntland war
>They gave the weapons to the Mogadishu citystate to fight jihadists in the south. So far they don't intervene in the Somaliland - Puntland war
Ah, so I'm just being retarded then.
Thanks for clearing that up.
>These weapons won't get used in the north
>These weapons won't free up resources to fight in the north
Anons...
Anom
what exactly is the upshot of sending them weapons? I understand the importance of the horn but I feel like it would be better to support the more established nation
I don't know
It's all fucky
China gave them a bunch of food today too
Don’t eat that
Diplomatic corps is the weakest link in all western countries.
The rational solution would be to recognize Somalia no longer exists and negotiate directly with Somaliland and Mogadishu while exterminating the rest. But the diplomats wouldn't have it.
It's because the us doesn't wanna support secessionists in Africa
Kosovo is the exception not the rule when it comes to secessionist
Granted Somaliland WAS its own country before joining somalia
SL is 60% unionist
40% secessionist
4 out of 5 clans are unionist... also Somaliland wasn't it's own country, it was still a colony and Somalia was also called Somaliland in all 5 Somali inhabited areas. British Somaliland and Italian Somaliland were their name. The one who JOINED SL was Italian SL to form a Somali country but the referendum includes the NFD, Djibouti and Ogaden which were forcefully taken away from Somalia 3 weeks before independence was established
1. Somaliland isn't islamist (well, it kinda is, but more in line with SEA countries then ISIS)
2. The US isn't necessarily against Somaliland independence, we're just leaving it to the AU, and the AU doesn't want the precedent that it would set.
>Diplomatic corps is the weakest link in all western countries.
Western diplomacy is excellent, which is why we don't fight each other anymore and why we continue to be on top of our game despite the growing global south. If they're the weakest link then we must be fucking excellent at everything else.
>The rational solution would be to recognize Somalia no longer exists and negotiate directly with Somaliland and Mogadishu while exterminating the rest. But the diplomats wouldn't have it.
Making deals with provinces over the central government goes against the agreed upon principles of African Union member states such as their hardline stance against modifying borders by force. Recognizing Somaliland or treating them as an official partner will draw the ire of the rest of Africa and push them closer to our rivals. The consequences of trying to solve the Somalia problem outweigh the benefits of actually solving it. The US can unofficially or covertly back Somaliland but the current situation doesn't permit recognition.
>The rational solution
depends entirely on what your goals are. In the case of the US, Somaliland is worth something roughly between jack and shit, whereas the precedent of respecting UN-recognized borders of sovereign states is at the core of their geopolitical toolbox.
Plus the factions controlling the actual horn are mostly Mogadishu-aligned even if not really under Mogadishu control, so it makes more sense even in the short sighted strategic sense to side with them.
wtf bros I hate Somaliland now
Don't say that
61 tons? Those must be some heavy weapons
Weapons AND ammunition. Some fucktons of bullets combined with some arms to supplement what they already have.
And, yeah. What could go wrong? Arming moron pirates with ... well, anything at all. This is not going to end well.
the moron pirates are in the north? Berbera is the pirate hub of the world
Against al-shabaab who are trying to establish an Islamic state based around Salafist principals.
Do you morons seriously think that's a good idea? Do you think we need more qutbism aka islamic vanguardism?
They're donating 61 tons of weapons
China's donating 1k tons of food
All during a war with Somaliland
i'd be fine with them getting the ammunition if they weren't going to use it against somaliland, which they probabl are.
Yeah that's the issue
It's not gonna be used against al-shaba
Somaliland is gonna end up like Rhodesia isn't it...
I'm scared bros
61 tons is a lot
And if both the us and china are supporting somalia.i don't know how long Somaliland has
>Rhodesia
Seems to me closer to the Biafra War
>Haiti
what the fuck did these morons even have to give?
Moral support
Friendship
Knitted shirts. They’re a country full of knitters after all
What's that, like two American black women?
Why didn't we give this stuff to Ukraine last year? Or are we really trying to prolong that as long as possible?
Somalia is having a war against a state the us doesn't like
So the us and china are...joining forces
>Why didn't we give this stuff to Ukraine last year?
Because why should they?
>Or are we really trying to prolong that as long as possible?
Yes, they are.
>Somali sovl
Well kill them all
“I’m from *clicks tongue* and I say KILL EM ALL!!”
kek
That's fucking wild, no idea why they'd do that.
I’d be interest to know where those C-17s landed before jumping to the conclusion they’ll make a difference in the somaliland conflict.
>Mogadishu is far away from Somaliland. >Road quality in Somalia ranges from utter shit to non-existent
>The US embassy is announcing this, so these weapons were clearly given to the recognized Somali government, which controls very little of the territory within Somalia’s borders
>Al Shabaad controls more territory in eastern Somalia than the government; transportation would be made more difficult because of this
>According to the announcement, they were given for the purpose of fighting Al Shabaab, so there’s probably some loose strings attached
I just don’t see how they could make their way far north enough, assuming they were dropped at Mogadishu
>Gets put on a boat
>All road issues gone
Uh they control enough to ship it up
God, if these fucks had any clue they would be putting up casinos and hotels on all that coastline. Sadly East Africa is shitty for business unless you’re an arms dealer or some shit. I’m currently Loving the west coast of the dark continent, especially Namibia.
>America is literally sponsoring genocide against a group of black Muslims
Based.
61 tons? That's not even one MBT.
Why would you need MBTs against an enemy that consists almost exclusively of light infantry?
How else are you going to squash them?
I just think measuring military aid in MBTs needs to be a thing.
Depends on the MBT
What kinds of weapons do you think they gave? Take your bets!
>surplus M16A4 and M4 with shot out barrels (lolz ensue)
>Korean M1 Garands because fuck you
>Captured AKs and RPGs from the GWOT, being endlessly traded around warzones like Pokemon cards
>1(one) 1911 taped to a 61 ton weight
Small arms ammunition and mortar shells is my guess. Probably not any actual firearms.
Surplus m16s
Some M2 HMGs
M198 howitzers with ammo and parts
Dave
I'd bet it's a bunch of those AKs and ammo we seized from some Iranian cargo ship a while back.
somaliland had a good run, but i guess it's time to stop while they're still ahead.
but can it match the D-30 WMDs?
Why is the US aiding Somalia at all?
A good chunk of their country is controlled by Islamic militants.
France was there before.
At this point its just tradition.
America should send them cyanide pills telling them it helps with khat addiction, I hope those moron subhumans get extincted asp.
can someone TLDR this stupid fucking moron war already
i'm genuinely confused too.
>Oil found on disputed territory, somalia pays off locals to rebel against somaliland
>somaliland comes in and crushes the rebels
>somalia crystal foul, claims somaliland committed war crimes for using soviet era artillery and for having a semi functional military
>PrepHole generally supports somaliland because they have a semi-functional government and more well equipped/disciplined military in contrast to the shitshow/hellscape that is somalias tribal government
>China and US supports somalia because legitimizing somaliland could lead to copycat breakaway states in the region (somalia is generally not recognized by the UN)
*somaliland not recognized by the UN, somalia is although the somalian government is far less functional
not Somalia but Puntland. The Somali goverment only controls Mogadishu. Puntland may proclaim that they are part of Somalia but in reality they act on their own and given the state of the Somali government i doubt they have any influence over breakaway states
>PrepHole generally supports somaliland because ...
... they were attacked by Somalia and are defending their semi-functioning homeland. Also the other things you said.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somaliland
However, PrepHole is retarded (as usual) in that they think that Somaliland is "sovereign" (it isn't) and that it isn't an Islamic state (wannabe).
Motto: لا إله إلا الله محمد رسول الله
Lā ilāhā illā-llāhu; muhammadun rasūlu-llāh
"There is no God but Allah; Muhammad is the Messenger of God"
>Throughout the Middle Ages, Arab immigrants arrived in Somaliland, including the Muslim sheikhs Ishaaq bin Ahmed, who founded the Isaaq clan, and Abdirahman bin Isma'il al-Jabarti who founded the Darod clan, who both travelled from Arabia to Somaliland and married into the local Dir clan, which have been described as legendary stories. Also during the Middle Ages, Somali empires dominated the regional trade, including the Sultanate of Ifat and the Adal Sultanate.
>In the 18th century, the Isaaq Sultanate, a Somali successor state to the Adal Sultanate, was established by Sultan Guled Abdi at Toon. The sultanate spanned parts of the Horn of Africa and covered most of modern-day Somaliland.
If China and the U.S. have found common cause here, it's because there is something incredibly fucked up going on. There's probably intelligence about harboring Islamic terrorists funded by Iran &/or some other mudslime shithole. Recent discovery of petrochemical reserves means it suddenly just became a WEALTHY mudslime shithole.
Can't have that.
the wikipedia is run by retarded we wuzzers check the links at the bottom. Somaliland refers to the entirety of Somalia. Also there was no "issaq" sultanate
I'm certain your scholarly credentials will allow you to login and correct all the retards. Take your time and do it right. Fix all the little details to match what the voices in your head tell you.
Northern Somalia (Somaliland) wanted to pull a CSA, and the Somalian government said no. Bad blood from the de-colonization boiled over (again), and this is just news from the Somailan Civil War, which started in 09.
The main fighters are Al-Qeada with support from ISIS vs. an East African Coalition with western support.
Basically.
The guns are gonna be sold on the black market for sure
what’s 61 tons of clapped out small arms going to do
Well considering they were using sticks and rocks before...
every major country is supporting somalia, even china
I wish this site had actual moderators so I could go on pol, start a thread to ask why. And get actual answers instead of bunch of buzzwords and schitzoposting on why black muslims need to hang. (explained to me in posts made by black muslims)
China supporting Somalia totally makes sense though. Somalilanders and Taiwan have been increasing diplomatic relations lately so of course China throws in with their enemies.
Everyone only fears what could happen, why does no one think of the opportunities?
Imagine Somaliland capturing 40t of ammunition after it got delivered to the front and boosting their own offensive. Y'all write about how incompetent the somalian and puntlander military is, this is the chance to see it.
>propping up a failed state over a nation that has SOME level of coherence and stability
For fuck sake.
>tons
What a weird way to measure weapons. I guess it's better than throwing around random USD costs that were barely even accurate in the decade we spent that money in.
I see the American warmongers thirst for blood is insatiable, not only to the last Ukrainian but also to the last Somalian.
More than to Ukraine, huh?
I guess it has something to do with skin color.
Somalia had the 3rd best army in Africa in 1980 after Libya and Egypt, crazy how fast shit changes. No wonder they were able to take half of Ethiopia in 40 days before Soviets and Cubans had to stop them
How do I become a merc for somaliland bros
which somali"land"? it only exists on social media, there's 5 clans in the north fighting for power
> Be functional democracy in Africa
> Find oil
> Get invaded by oligarch neighbor
> Beat oligarch neighbor
> Start hearing https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KtJJC0nWs9s
Welp that's a cliché that we'll keep hearing for the foreseable future.
>Be functional democracy in Africa*
*citations required
For context, look at picrel & pay attention to the entire neighborhood. Especially, recall that Eritrea is becoming something of a Russian puppet state, and also remember that the Wagner Group is very active throughout the region & doing their best to keep it destabilized for their monke in moscow.
That's only part of the context. Because Saudi Arabia & Yemen & Iran are in an existential fight between Islamic factions being supported by Iran on behalf of Shiite-ism (e.g Yemen). The whole region is half a dozen flavors of Muslims that all pretty much hate each other.
The Red Sea & Gulf of Arden are critical to keep clear & functioning for world trade passing through the Suez Canal. This cannot be emphasized enough. Whatever the Hell happens here, shipping through the Suez cannot be interrupted (t. Evergreen).
Add to that historic war, food famine, drought to most of the territories. Just for Hispanice.
The U.S. & China have found common cause, undoubtedly backed by everyone else in the functioning civilized world. The calculus here is to NOT allow another ISIS to form, especially with its own, sovereign caliphate. Absolutely nobody has an interest here in even the slightest interruption in shipping, although there will be different factions taking different sides.
Given Somalia is recognized as a sovereign nation, some have made the calculus they'd rather see Somalia remain a monolithic (and dysfunctional) state. In particular, Somaliland breaking off as a sovereign Islamist state is probably considered the greater danger, especially if it becomes an oil-wealthy nation.
Watch for Saudi Arabia, Russia, & Iran to all dip their tentacles into the inkwell. Not to support a particular side, but to stir up a shitstorm and destabilize the region. Even further. These are the main players who are too stupid to realize disruption of shipping here is bad for everyone, including themselves, but they'd rather shoot themselves in the balls so they can "own t3h NATO"
The US is supporting the fight against jihadists in the south of the country, not Somaliland's fight for independence (because they're being screwed and genocided by Somalia and Puntland). The fact Somalia might use these against Somaliland is just a side-effect of that. Somaliland should be supported because they are the only functioning non-retarded state in the area.
However China are supporting Somalia against Somaliland because the oil will go China's way.
Don't be retarded, this has nothing to do with Somaliland, but to do with Somalia being a dysfunctional shithole that needs propping up because they can't run a fucking country and Islamist rape the horn from Djibouti to Kenya.
>didn't read the post
>shits pants over it anyway
Whatever, retard.
>Somaliland breaking off as a sovereign Islamist state is probably considered the greater danger
It de facto already is. Because it is competently run. Somalia doesn't control the country bar the capital and some of the roads.
>shipping through the Suez cannot be interrupted (t. Evergreen).
ayyy, i saw her in the Hudson a bit ago.
>I'll take 4 pounds of Glocks and 15 pounds of AR15's to go.
>61 tons of weapons
i don't get it. How many football fields of ARs is that?
Remember the guns USA confiscated from Iranian ships recently?