Altay MBT Begins Serial Production, Firtina-2 SPH to Enter Service in 2023

Turkey's domestically-developed Batu powerpack has been undergoing integration tests in the Altay main battle tank (MBT) as of December 2022.
> https://turdef.com/Article/altay-s-batu-engine-starts-trials-soon/2447
> https://twitter.com/TyrannosurusRex/status/1603740885723799554
> https://twitter.com/BaranKk20/status/1603865375610920971

Altay T1 begins serial production in 2023 using South Korean powerpacks for its first 100 units of tanks.
Altay T2 begins serial production in 2024 using Turkish-developed Batu powerpacks for subsequent units.
The aim is for the military to initially procure a combined 250 tanks before ultimately procuring as many as 1,000 units in total. A T3 variant is currently in the design phase.

A complete timeline below:

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Batu V12 is a 1,500 HP diesel-powered engine produced by BMC Power. The ignition test for the engine occured in April 2021.
    > https://twitter.com/IsmailDemirSSB/status/1389870572688093186
    > https://tdefenceagency.com/altay-motoru-batu-ilk-kez-ateslendi/
    > https://savunmatr.com/savunma-sanayii/altay-tanki-icin-uretilen-yerli-motor-ateslendi-h11229.html

    The domestic transmission was ready to be integrated into the Batu powerpack by December 2021.
    > https://defenceturk.net/altay-tankinin-yerli-transmisyonu-motora-entegre-edilmeye-hazir

    Turkey received deliveries from South Korea of the DV27K engine from Hyundai Doosan Infracore in March 2022.
    > https://armyrecognition.com/defense_news_march_2022_global_security_army_industry/south_korean_doosan_infracore_delivers_dv27k_engine_to_power_turkish_altay_mbt.html

    Separately, the domestic Batu powerpack (engine + transmission) commenced testing in May 2022.
    The integration tests for the South Korean powerpack in the Altay MBT, including the EST15K transmission from SNT Dynamics, also began in May 2022.
    > https://turdef.com/Article/demir-altay-mbt-will-have-an-exclusive-power-pack/1639
    > https://defenceturk.net/ssb-baskani-ismail-demirden-altay-tanki-hakkinda-aciklamalar
    > https://defenceturkey.com/en/content/korean-powerpack-starts-the-test-campaign-on-the-altay-mbt-5124

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    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The integration tests for the South Korean powerpack in the Altay MBT, including the EST15K transmission from SNT Dynamics, also began in May 2022.
      >> https://turdef.com/Article/demir-altay-mbt-will-have-an-exclusive-power-pack/1639
      >> https://defenceturk.net/ssb-baskani-ismail-demirden-altay-tanki-hakkinda-aciklamalar
      >> https://defenceturkey.com/en/content/korean-powerpack-starts-the-test-campaign-on-the-altay-mbt-5124

      Way to go. Turks are conducting free beta testing for the Koreans.
      Hell of a job.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Way to go. Turks are conducting free beta testing for the Koreans.
        Based on the account of a South Korea poster on another site who worked on these projects, the issue was that the German MTU 883 engine used for earlier K2 tanks was short-stroke whereas the Doosan engine is long-stroke.
        This caused issues with the domestic SNT transmission, but I presume those have been fixed since then, likely through the integration testing from the Turkish side for the Altay T1.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Makes sense as long stroke engines tend to make torque at lower RPM (good) but gearing must be designed with the torque curve in mind.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        beta testing is fine and all, but I dunno why Korea lets turks export this stuff. Should've just exported the K2 and K9 themselves.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >beta testing is fine and all, but I dunno why Korea lets turks export this stuff. Should've just exported the K2 and K9 themselves.
          Turkey was the first export customer of the K9 Thunder. That procurement and licensing deal was done in May 2000.
          Do you know when the next exports were? 2016 to India, then 2017 to Finland and Norway.
          Was South Korea using the K9 howitzers in extensive combat the last 2 decades? Nope. Turkey single-handedly made the K9 howitzer a viable weapon by using it, proving its worth, and increasing its fame.

          Here's more salt to your wound. The ROK is the one that offered the K9 Thunder to Turkey in May 1999 even before the ROK military adopted it in December 1999.
          Turkey had originally planned to license produce the Panzerhaubitze 2000 but were faced with an arms embargo from Germany!

          The story of the K2 and Altay directly mirror the story of the K9 and Firtina-II. This one's for the history books. God bless.
          If any YouTubers are reading this, there's your next pitch idea.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            what the fuck are you even trying to say here?
            That turks are proud to have jumped on the Korea hype train first? Or that turks are proud to have scammed the Koreans?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >That turks are proud to have jumped on the Korea hype train first? Or that turks are proud to have scammed the Koreans?
              KYS you dumb fuck.

              Turkey proved the K9 in combat across 2 decades making it a viable platform, which gets others interested in the 2010s.
              Turkey made multiple weapons deals with South Korea across the 2000s between howitzer production, technical assistance for the Altay project in its earlier years, and trainer aircraft procurement.

              Germany's embargo on Turkey in the late 2000s led to this. Every time the K9 howitzers and soon the Firtina-2 makes a sale, it's marketshare and political leverage taken away from Germany.
              Now fastforward to the late 2010s, Germany's embargo once again has caused South Korea and Turkey to use their domestic engines and transmissions for tanks. Every sale they make is marketshare taken away from Germany, and ROK dropping MTU and RENK powerpacks is another loss of revenue and leverage for them.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you realize you won't and can't do shit to Greece, right?
                keep huffing that copium, gay.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Greece will partitioned between Macedonia and Turkey. It is only matter of time at this point.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                With both turkeys and Macedonia’s demographics? Doubt

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Germany's embargo on Turkey in the [late 2000s] led to this. Every time the K9 howitzers and soon the Firtina-2 makes a sale, it's marketshare and political leverage taken away from Germany.
                Meant to say late 1990s.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The K9 self-propelled howtizer's export to Turkey marked a significant milestone for South Korea's defense industry.
          I don't think they ever exported a tracked military vehicle before, and it was possibly the largest arms export deal involving a ground vehicle, and one of the largest arms export deals South Korea had signed at that point.
          It took until the 2010s for South Korea to gradually become a bigger player in the arms export market, and after the mid 2010s for ground vehicles.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Who cares, they're literally dying out. Their FTR is below 1.0 a figure then is not reversable.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              What does that have to do with what he said? Besides, both the K9 and Firtina have new versions coming out. The UK is looking into a K9 variant as well.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Turkey's domestically-developed Utku powerpack is intended for tracked armored vehicles such as the Firtina-2 self-propelled howitzer (SPH) and potentially medium tanks (MT) and amphibious vehicles.

      The Utku V8 is a 1,000 HP diesel-powered engine produced by BMC Power. The ignition test for the engine occured in March 2021.
      > https://savunmasanayist.com/baskan-demir-altay-son-durum/
      > https://defenceturk.net/utku-guc-grubunun-motor-testlerine-baslandi

      The domestic Utku powerpack (engine + transmission) commenced testing in May 2021.
      > https://twitter.com/IsmailDemirSSB/status/1399667687408685057
      > https://savunmasanayist.com/utku-guc-grubunun-motoru-ve-transmisyonu-ilk-kez-ateslendi/

      The T-155 Firtina is a Turkish version of the K9 Thunder of South Korea with various modifications.

      Like its counterpart, the original Firtina used MT-881 Ka-500 engines produced by South Korea's STX Engines under license from MTU Friedrichshafen of Germany. Both howitzers use domestically-produced versions of the X1100-5A3 from Allison Transmissions of the US, licensed by SNT Dynamics in South Korea and HEMA HST in Turkey, respectively.

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      I"m assume they will use the 1500hp for a heavy IFV. A mass-produced ground up heavy tracked IFV could be a marketable item for real money. The options are scarce and need is compelling

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Turkey's domestically-developed Utku powerpack is intended for tracked armored vehicles such as the Firtina-2 self-propelled howitzer (SPH) and potentially medium tanks (MT) and amphibious vehicles.

    The Utku V8 is a 1,000 HP diesel-powered engine produced by BMC Power. The ignition test for the engine occured in March 2021.
    > https://savunmasanayist.com/baskan-demir-altay-son-durum/
    > https://defenceturk.net/utku-guc-grubunun-motor-testlerine-baslandi

    The domestic Utku powerpack (engine + transmission) commenced testing in May 2021.
    > https://twitter.com/IsmailDemirSSB/status/1399667687408685057
    > https://savunmasanayist.com/utku-guc-grubunun-motoru-ve-transmisyonu-ilk-kez-ateslendi/

    The T-155 Firtina is a Turkish version of the K9 Thunder of South Korea with various modifications.

    Like its counterpart, the original Firtina used MT-881 Ka-500 engines produced by South Korea's STX Engines under license from MTU Friedrichshafen of Germany. Both howitzers use domestically-produced versions of the X1100-5A3 from Allison Transmissions of the US, licensed by SNT Dynamics in South Korea and HEMA HST in Turkey, respectively.

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  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The "New Generation" Firtina-2 howitzers will use the Utku V8 engine and will be exported.

    Earlier versions of the Firtina-2 were unveiled in May 2019 and January 2021. The updates likely taking into consideration experiences from its use in Syria and Libya. Its upgrades include additional cameras, thermal imaging, air-conditioning, updated Fire Control System and monitors, a Remote-Controlled Weapon System, etc.
    > https://savunmasanayist.com/firtina-2de-ilk-teslimat-tarihi-belli-oldu/
    > https://edrmagazine.eu/idef-19-t-155-firtina-sp-howitzer-moves-to-new-generation
    > https://janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/idef-2019-turkish-army-rolls-out-new-firtina-howitzer

    Serial production and field testing of the Firtina-2 continued across 2022.
    > https://twitter.com/BMCsavunma/status/1531918719949086721
    > https://savunmatr.com/savunma-sanayii/yeni-nesil-firtina-obuslerinin-testleri-devam-ediyor-h17677.html

    Firtina-2 begins delivery in January 2023, reportedly as early as this week.
    > https://savunmasanayist.com/erdogan-firtina-obuslerinin-teslimat-torenine-katilacak/

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    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Neat. Does it weigh as much as the PzH2000?

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    YES TURKEY FUCK THE SHILLS LOVE FROM AMERICA

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This project is a failure. Delayed way too much. But if Turks start selling its own tanks and armored vehicles with Turkish engines & transmission, it will be hilarious hindsight for Germany for sanctioning Turkey

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >is going ahead with production after delays
      >is a failure

      You do realize that the Turks have been constantly redesigning and upgrading this thing since the project first got started right?

      >But if Turks start selling its own tanks and armored vehicles with Turkish engines & transmission, it will be hilarious hindsight for Germany for sanctioning Turkey

      That's what they intend to do. Funniest thing is that Germany not only sanctioned Turkey, they placed sanctions on SOUTH KOREA after they learned that they were helping Turkey with the engines. I have no idea who the fuck in German government has such a hate boner for Turkey, Greek and Armenian lobbies aren't that powerful there. Possibly PKK sympathizers trying to influence things or fuck, it might even be Russians trying to sabotage Turkey. It's already well-known that Germany is the secret pro-Russian traitor in NATO.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        that was literally German arms dealer lobbies throwing a shitfit about 'dey took our tech!'

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        > I have no idea who the fuck in German government has such a hate boner for Turkey, Greek and Armenian lobbies aren't that powerful there. Possibly PKK sympathizers trying to influence things or fuck, it might even be Russians trying to sabotage Turkey.
        In the US, France and Canada, it's the Greek and Armenian lobby leading the charge. In Germany and Sweden, it's Leftist shits sympathetic to the PKK who run their governments. Both lobbies also have influence in each other's spheres and inside Belgium and Netherlands. They're slowly killing these countries' exports and political leverage.

        This project is a failure. Delayed way too much. But if Turks start selling its own tanks and armored vehicles with Turkish engines & transmission, it will be hilarious hindsight for Germany for sanctioning Turkey

        > Delayed way too much. But if Turks start selling its own tanks and armored vehicles with Turkish engines & transmission, it will be hilarious hindsight for Germany for sanctioning Turkey
        Note that the DV27K engine from Hyundai Doosan Infracore that powers the first lot of Altay MBTs is also powering the third lot of K2 Black Panther MBTs of South Korea and thereby the first lot of K2 tanks sold to Poland.

        Despite being produced domestically by STX Engines under license, South Korea is dumping the MT-883 Ka-500 engine. The planned fourth lot of K2 tanks will additionally dump the HSWL-295 transmission from Germany's RENK in favor of the domestic EST15K from SNT Dynamics. The first lot of Altay tanks is the latter transmission's operational debut, so the ROK is watching closely.

        The arms embargoes from Germany rubbed South Korea the wrong way, especially since the original T-155 Firtina used South Korean-made MT-881 Ka-500 licensed from MTU. After Germany started fucking around with Turkey across the 2010s, South Korea began pursuing a policy of localizing all key components so as to not faced undesired licensing restrictions itself. Poland ordering South Korea's K2 tanks and K9 howitzers is the culmination of that. Countries do not want to rely on Germany, Sweden and their ilk. Now even their allies in the EU like Norway are considering procuring K2 tanks.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          nah, in France, it’s mostly due to Turkey moving away from Europe and democracy towards the Islamic world and autocracy.
          And news like a turkish teen born in France getting knifed to death by her familly cause her boyfriend wasn’t muslim. Although there’s waaaaay less turks in France compared to Germany (mostly at the border with germany).

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Bullshit. The Greco-Armenian lobby's influence in France isn't in any doubt. Greece is a major buyer of French weapons as of late, and is it's closest ally in the Mediterranean. Macron also encouraged Greece to escalate tensions over the Aegean Sea after Turkish Bayraktar TB2 drones had BTFO of warlord Haftar and Wagner forces in Libya in 2019.

            Armenians essentially have France by the balls, it's unimaginably hilarious.
            > https://avim.org.tr/en/Yorum/ARMENIA-THE-TOOL-OF-POPULISM-IN-THE-FRENCH-ELECTIONS
            Even the far-right candidate Eric Zammour during his 2021 French presidential campaign personally visited Armenia. He's considered more extreme than Le Pen.
            > https://azatutyun.am/a/31607361.html
            > https://panarmenian.net/eng/news/297322/

            Another nutjob presidential candidate Velarrie Pecresse visited Armenia the same month, including an illegal visit to occupied territory in Western Azerbaijan.
            > https://azatutyun.am/a/31620016.html
            > https://caspiannews.com/news-detail/french-president-hopeful-pecresse-pays-illegal-covert-visit-to-azerbaijans-karabakh-region-2021-12-23-42/
            Even in 2017, Le Pen said Karabakh and its surrounding areas belong to Armenia, which the UN rejects.
            > https://panorama.am/en/news/2017/04/19/Marine-Le-Pen-NK-conflict/1763847

            Back in 2020, the French Senate passed a bullshit resolution saying Nagarno-Karabakh is an independent country, directly contradictiong their own resolutions from the 1990s.
            > https://apnews.com/article/paris-azerbaijan-france-armenia-yerevan-04dc8732aa04a17e2adca821c296e69b
            In December 2022, the French Senate passed another resolution reiterating the same thing, and additionionally called for Azerbaijan to withdraw troops from Armenia when AZ doesn't even have troops in Armenia whereas Armenia proper does occupy land all along the AZ border including the north and even into Georgian territory.
            > https://jam-news.net/resolution-of-the-french-senate-political-or-moral-support-for-armenia/

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >they finally found an engine that will barely move that 85 ton piece of junk
      >he thinks bmc will ever deliver

      who is gonna buy them that germany could sell?
      leopards are battle proven altays are delay proven

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >who is gonna buy them that germany could sell?
        >leopards are battle proven altays are delay proven

        If Turkey can singlehandedly make the K9 battle-proven, it can do the same for the Altay MBT.
        The Firtina II already has preorders from Qatar. The Kaplan Medium Tank was sold to Indonesia during its trial phase. The Altay will sell too.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Customers who don't way gay Euro leashes on their systems will buy heavily from Turkey.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is this a domestic production of another iteration of T34's V2?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is a brand new tank engine, build from scratch

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        looks kind of like a Cummins engine, but older

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How the hell do they manage to finance all of these things ? tanks, jets, drones, engines, missiles, who pays for it ? isnt turkey basically on the fast track to becoming Zimbabwe 2.0 ?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Drone sales and general parasitic nature.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The Turkish defense industry's export in 2022 was a record $4.4 billion. Export of drones was just 1/4 of that.
        The Turkish military budget hovers between $15B and $18B (including weapons procurement). It shall be a record $20B in 2023.

        The stated goal for Turkish defense exports in 2023 is $6B. I can easily see it doing over $5B, so $6B isn't too far off from possibility.
        Germany's defense export in 2022 was $8.9 billion, and France's as of October 2022 was $7.7 billion according to one source.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Turkish financial policies (anything to do with the government) has been disastrous throughout Erdogan's rule.
      Turkey's industrial sector is so far growing so fast that it's outpacing the consequences - which also means it's very desireable to work in it, because you can keep affording a middle-class lifestyle.
      Turkey is a regional power held back only by its retarded neo-ottomanist strongman.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The government's economics and financial policies are always designed to keep the industrial sector growing. Most of the industrial and construction sector is run by large family conglomerates, majority of whom are affiliated with the AKP to some extent or another. The top and bottom stratas of society favor Erdogan, while the bums in the middle prefer "anyone else" but tend to never have a singular viable alternative since they're politically divided. That's why they're loud and over-represented on the internet.

        The currency decline wasn't started by Erdogan, that started in August 2018 when Trump increased tarrifs on steel imports, then got worse during COVID partly because of global disruptions and partly because of the FUD being pumped by the media. In 2021 up until the Ukraine War starting in February 2022, there were daily and weekly stories on news websites and European TV and YouTube channels about Turkey financially collapsing all while there was practically no coverage of the inflation in parts of Latin America, Pakistan and Sri Lanka. Only Indian media covered Sri Lanka's economic and food crisis.

        Sri Lanka collapsed while Turkey's currency actually started stabilizing in 2022 (especially since July/August) since FUD can only go so far. Once the currency decline had happened, it became the "new reality" wherein Erdogan actively pursued keeping a depreciated Lira compared to what it was worth before COVID-19. Unlike many countries Turkey controls a large chunk of its supply chain so it still maintains high output and additionally its lower prices beat out competition. 2020 also marked the highest number of tech unicorns Turkey has ever had. The minum wage was also doubled in 2022. The concern was only *currency volatility* as opposed to a *depreciated lira* which was desirable.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        turkey will fill power vacuum in central euoasia after russia's pussification and become a great power again. it's funny how greece sees turkey a near peer.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Isn’t this the usual modus operandi from failed countries?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Failed countries cant produce high-tech weapon systems. They claim they do but they cant. You need to have decent industrial base to do that.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, exactly. That fits Turkey perfectly.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Failed countries cant produce high-tech weapon systems. They claim they do but they cant
          Turkey doesn't produce high-tech weapons. Compare a bayraktar to a reaper. What turkey has going for it is that their weapons are cheap and sell to anyone who asks, so they are completely on par with russia honestly

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The TB2 isn't even in the same category as a Reaper. You're essentially comparing apples to oranges.
            The TB2 is also the low-end of Turkish drones. Anka, Aksungur and Akinci are all higher-end. The Kizilelma is currently under development and that's one of the most high-tech drones in the works out there.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      1.with massively devalued currency, building stuff in Turkey is cheap.
      2.Turkey needs large amount of military equipment to replace large numbers of old cold war garbage.
      3. Turkey is agro with like 5 other countries in the region and needs to maintain a large army
      4. Turkey is also risks alienating foreign weapons suppliers, who might cut them off.

      So the result is a fairly well rounded domestic arms industry.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I feel like there is too much shcizobot-posting in Turkish weapon threads.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So whoch tank is worse: Altay or Arjun? Which design eats more shit?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Altay is ok except for the fact that it hadn't been able to obtain a powerpack to run on.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Koreans love turks for some reason, has something to do with the assistance durin korean war I think.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >has something to do with the assistance durin korean war
      So did the Greeks. Also Roaches were notorious for green on blue during the war.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      they love them so much that they errected a statue in a random who city while they have 2 statues in seoul and one in busan for the greeks

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >they love them so much that they errected a statue in a random who city while they have 2 statues in seoul and one in busan for the greeks
        You can brag about the Greek statues you built there.
        There are at least 462 graves of Turkish troops buried in South Korea. Nothing more needs to be said.
        The military and political relations between South Korea and Turkey speaks for itself.

        >has something to do with the assistance durin korean war
        So did the Greeks. Also Roaches were notorious for green on blue during the war.

        >So did the Greeks.
        5,000 Greeks fought in Korea.
        15,000 Turks fought in Korea (Fourth highest); 5,445 at any one time, with constant rotations of new troops.

        Turks killed/missing: 966 [1] or 904 [2]
        "During the Korean War, the Turkish Brigade was the only military unit that built a school for the Korean orphans."
        [1] https://mfa.gov.tr/relations-between-turkey-and-the-republic-of-korea.en.mfa
        [2] https://web.archive.org/web/20130120040603/http://www.imhc.mil.kr/imhcroot/data/korea_view.jsp?seq=4&page=1

        >Also Roaches were notorious for green on blue during the war.
        Pulled straight out of your ass. Is there no limit to you guy's patheticness?

        Turks served on the frontlines in Korea. Hence, the large number of dead/missing and POWs. Practically any South Korean veteran who fought in the war will mention Turkish troops as a standout and only have good things to say. Only a few countries have that honor.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Pulled straight out of your ass. Is there no limit to you guy's patheticness?
          There's an actual picture existing. Pic related is actually retreating ROK army troops that the Turks could have wiped out for being mistaken as chicom.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    hello turks how is your day?

    how does it feel when the supreme court of libya abolish your memorandum of understanding regarding your illegal eez?
    https://twitter.com/Eljarh/status/1612749874151448577

    feels good to be back into the stone age doesnt it?literally everything advancement you did in the past 3 years regressed into nothing lmao

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      lmao this is gold they were threating greece with war if they ever drilled on this area which basicly was greece...and now they lost the right they shouldnt have in the first place?

      man who knew libya will choose eu instead of turkey imshocked (not)

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Hello Costas, how’s yours? Still seething over your inability to get anything done without crying to daddy US and mommy EU? Still posting unsubstantiated tweets?

      • 4 weeks ago
        apotheosis

        its ok elif i get it you are mad that you lost everything in the med to what you call an inferior country
        https://twitter.com/Lyobserver/status/1612343419040309248
        >Oil Minister: We're ready to discuss maritime demarcation with neighboring states

        [...]
        [...]
        Oh look, a gay trying to make a thread about the ALTAY TANK into a thread about GREECE and their insecurities. You love to see it.

        As for Libya, warlord Haftar and his cronies won't do shit Turkey doesn't allow them to.
        Algeria just signed a gas exploration deal with Turkey a few weeks ago.
        > https://trtworld.com/turkey/t%C3%BCrkiye-algeria-to-establish-joint-oil-natural-gas-exploration-company-62474
        > https://middleeastmonitor.com/20221111-turkiye-and-algeria-to-start-joint-oil-and-gas-exploration-company/

        Bulgaria just signed a gas supply deal with Turkey last week.
        > https://offshore-technology.com/news/bulgaria-gas-supply-turkey/
        > https://aljazeera.com/news/2023/1/3/bulgaria-signs-long-term-gas-agreement-with-turkey
        Don't worry, Greece will still keep getting its supply of Azerbaijani gas.

        Now back to the TOPIC at hand instead of irrelevant Greek insecurities, lmao.

        >As for Libya, warlord Haftar and his cronies won't do shit Turkey doesn't allow them to.
        what haftar has to do with the supreme court of tripoli?
        >Algeria just signed a gas exploration deal with Turkey a few weeks ago.
        yeah they wanted to drill in offshore libya
        yet another massive failure
        >Bulgaria just signed a gas supply deal with Turkey last week.
        >gas supply
        they obtained access to turkey's lng terminals
        turkey doesnt even produce enough for its domestic use let alone to export
        >Don't worry, Greece will still keep getting its supply of Azerbaijani gas.
        doesnt matter much from 27% in 2021 it went down to 13% thanks to the lng terminals
        and it will go down to sub 5% in later 2023 when the two fsru's arrive
        >There are at least 462 graves of Turkish troops buried in South Korea. Nothing more needs to be said.
        how in the god's name you managed to lose more than us given that we fought more and were constantly in the front lines?
        i guess thats why they decided to built the statues for us in their CAPITAL

        https://i.imgur.com/wcA3zsu.jpg

        >Failed countries cant produce high-tech weapon systems. They claim they do but they cant
        Turkey doesn't produce high-tech weapons. Compare a bayraktar to a reaper. What turkey has going for it is that their weapons are cheap and sell to anyone who asks, so they are completely on par with russia honestly

        their anka drone is their reaper tb2 is basicly a cannon fodder
        i mean look at the leak of the ukie official they confirmed what we knew that ukraine had lost all of their tb2 by the end of march and they were using old footage purely to boost sales for turkey

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >i mean look at the leak of the ukie official they confirmed what we knew that ukraine had lost all of their tb2 by the end of march and they were using old footage purely to boost sales for turkey

          While you and everyone else repeating this Vatnik/Pajeet talking-point rely on the statements of a nobody. The Ukrainian Defense Minister—Oleksiy Reznikov—personally stated 50 units of Bayraktar TB2s were deployed between the invasion in late February and June 2022 alone in Ukraine, and more were in production going forward.

          https://middleeasteye.net/news/russia-ukraine-war-tb2-bayraktar-drones-fifty-received
          https://janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/ukraine-conflict-baykar-to-commit-entire-bayraktar-production-to-ukraine
          https://www.[Book of the Face].com/reznikovoleksii/posts/pfbid0sxXMwCmfWBrWer4G9YyTRsxhpeyfu9KkPzXqF17u5MUmT6PX4us74wmWCY8opvPRl

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >no, don't trust the leaked information, even though there's little reason to lie in internal communications
            >here, a pr spokesperson said something contrary to the global press, while the existence of his country is reliant on how these journalists interpret the war

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Ukraine's defense minister is not a random nobody.
              Unlike whoever you're talking about who isn't even an active member of the government or military.
              But whatever floats your boat. Baykar made over $1B in exports last year. So all this whining isn't hurting their pocketbook.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you realize you won't and can't do shit to Greece, right?
      keep huffing that copium, gay.

      lmao this is gold they were threating greece with war if they ever drilled on this area which basicly was greece...and now they lost the right they shouldnt have in the first place?

      man who knew libya will choose eu instead of turkey imshocked (not)

      Oh look, a gay trying to make a thread about the ALTAY TANK into a thread about GREECE and their insecurities. You love to see it.

      As for Libya, warlord Haftar and his cronies won't do shit Turkey doesn't allow them to.
      Algeria just signed a gas exploration deal with Turkey a few weeks ago.
      > https://trtworld.com/turkey/t%C3%BCrkiye-algeria-to-establish-joint-oil-natural-gas-exploration-company-62474
      > https://middleeastmonitor.com/20221111-turkiye-and-algeria-to-start-joint-oil-and-gas-exploration-company/

      Bulgaria just signed a gas supply deal with Turkey last week.
      > https://offshore-technology.com/news/bulgaria-gas-supply-turkey/
      > https://aljazeera.com/news/2023/1/3/bulgaria-signs-long-term-gas-agreement-with-turkey
      Don't worry, Greece will still keep getting its supply of Azerbaijani gas.

      Now back to the TOPIC at hand instead of irrelevant Greek insecurities, lmao.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    they produced a fighter jet drone with aesa radar and bvr missiles. usa is only other country has it so far.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Not only are TB2s used for long-range reconnaissance and spotting of targets for artillery/missile strikes in Ukraine, and occasional drones strikes, but they're directly linked to the TRLG-230 which hits whatever the TB2 marks from the air. Some of the strikes credited to the HIMARS by people online are actually TRLG strikes.

    https://mil.in.ua/en/news/ukrainian-military-receives-turkish-trlg-230-precision-guided-missiles-oryx/

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