They jacked the price up of the annual subscription by 6 dollars, but I found a random online coupon so I only paid $25. Still jealous of that anon who paid $99 for a lifetime subscription. Hey, if you know something that works as well and easily without wasting time having to edit or format maps I am open to it, but I think this is the best we celltards have for now.
>he doesn't know
Nobody tell him about hiking globes
Like nigha you can have offline google maps with wikiloc routes or even record your own all for free
> alltrails free account
> takes 30 seconds to punch routes into Gaia
Very happy with my $100 lifetime membership. Makes navigating very easy.
Very glad you’re funding the improvement of the app.
REEEEEEEEEEEEE
>Very glad you’re funding the improvement of the app.
they literally broke it last year, like they changed the layout and I could barely get it to load at al
that seems to be mostly fixed, I mean it would be great to not have to pay but I don't think that's possible without wasting time or effort trying to do this otherwise
You replied to me
The selection of trails is super shit. I literally only use it to make trails and navigate with them. The rest of the app may as well not exist to me.
Occasionally I’ll check trails around where I’m going if I’m not familiar to see what it looks like
The social network part is stupid and gay. I save my activities for fun for me. Zero followers/followed.
I always thought the price for these apps was outrageous for what I use them for. Software as a subscription service is pretty shitty on its face, but apps like AllTrails want me to pay repeatedly for something I can get for free. Maybe someone can explain what I’m missing.
For several years my map routine has been this:
>go to CalTopo
>find a map of the area, often FS but not always
>make custom 11”x11” maps
>add waypoints, notes, etc.
>try to keep the scale as close to 1:24,000 as possible
>print them at Kinko’s for $1.50 each
>upload them to my phone
So now I’ve got custom maps for the areas I visit. If I wanted to be lazy about it, I could just download the USGS quad for free. Either way, all I’m doing is opening a a PDF on my phone that shows my location on it relative to the files interlaced GPS data.
For that function alone, a yearly subscription fee is just moronic. It’s more the principal of the matter than the actual price. Many of these apps (AllTrails, Avenza, Gaia, and the lesser known Paper Maps) used to support this function for free. None of them do anymore.
The best alternative I’ve found is Topo Nomad. It has easy access to USGS maps through the app, and allows for custom uploads. The free version allows for 5 or 6 maps to be downloaded at once. For a one time $10 fee you get a “100 year subscription” and you can store as many as you want. So basically it’s a $10 app. It also has the typical features your expect like tracking and drop pins.
So what does AllTrails have that I’m missing out on? What’s the source of their maps? How do people justify being repeatedly charged?
>So what does AllTrails have that I’m missing out on? What’s the source of their maps? How do people justify being repeatedly charged?
They pay google adsense to show up as the first result under "hiking trails" for all the cidiots who started "hiking" during covid
When I was in UT heading up the green river, guides specifically warned us not to post w/ location data or upload any of the points due to the fear it’d get overrun. Good advice
Frick subscription apps. Frick Google for encouraging them.
Yeah, I had one called Paper Maps that I used for years. All I used it for was custom maps imported from CalTopo. I prefer paper versions, but it’s nice to glance at the phone for a quick reference. Suddenly that app became pay only or something, with a subscription fee, so I had to ditch it.
Topo Nomad has been pretty great. Its “library” is just the USGS maps. It has access to all of them, including historic maps, and oddball scales (such as the 1:31,680 scale that was abandoned in the 1950’s that some homosexual on PrepHole insists is a current standard). It supports custom imports as well. I just looked it up and the price is now $24 for a lifetime, and $6 for a year. So kind of expensive for an app. I think it’s iPhone only. The free version works well, but limits the user to how many maps they can use at once.
I couldn’t see using only an app to navigate, and not using a phone that you already have would be kinda stupid. This is the best of both worlds since the map in my phone is identical to the map in my pack.
>using alltrails
>paying for alltrails
PrepHole really went down the gutter since covid urbanites started posting here
>PrepHole really went down the gutter since covid urbanites started posting here
It's really improved, because I'm here for the entertainment, and Calburbanoid ReddiTokkers always deliver. Take this thread, for example: What kind of "outdoorsman" relies on a paid app to navigate?
>CalTopo
>check website to be sure, yep, by and for Californians
Every single time.
Caltopo despite the stupid name has a ton of interesting features for serious hikers and outdoorsmen to plan their trips. If you think it's only for Commiefornians then you really don't know shit.
>nu/out hasn’t heard of CalTopo
Are we really surprised?
>People who go offtrail to summit or to explore use cellphones to navigate.
No
they don't
Caltopo isn't just a phone app, genius
Jesus Christ, what a fricking moron.
Go read this: https://andrewskurka.com/review-caltopo-backcountry-mapping-gps-navigation/
>Shilling caltopo on a mobile device
>One review
you morons are priceless
>In a cellphone thread about alltrails
I very much doubt you're talking about the offline printed maps of which there are numerous custom options.
Good fricking Lord, Anon. You’re not really this moronic.
From the link I posted:
>At home, I use the CalTopo website to plan personal and guided trips — specifically, to measure distances and vertical, insert helpful annotations, and draw in unmapped trails and routes;
>Also at home, I use the website’s print feature to export multi-page print-ready PDF’s that I carry into the field; and,
>In the field, I use the CalTopo app to help me navigate (via GPS) and as a backup map library.
It’s a website for custom printed maps and geospatial pdfs that can uploaded onto a phone or GPS. There is a CalTopo app; no one is shilling for it.
>In the field, I use the
>CalTopo
>app
> to help me navigate (via GPS) and as a backup map library
Congratulations reddltard, you made my point for me.
>as a backup
Wow, you even quoted the qualifier. He uses both. Please read the article.
It really doesn’t matter though. You’ve already outed yourself as a know-nothing. CalTopo is ubiquitous; everyone knows about it.
>and
>as a backup map library
you have the reading comprehension of an 8 year old.
>everyone uses it everyone!
No they dont, shit for brains. There are tons of custom map alternatives and local outdoor stores carry the relevant maps for your reigon. Your a shill selling a product if you're talking about custom maps and premium features like the dude in your obvious shill article.
It was also made by some douchbag Californian and the last thing I want to do is send business of any kind to that cancer state.
Oh ok. I’m convinced. Thanks for straightening everything out.
You're welcome.
Next time you think you know anything about navigation, which--reminder--you obviously don't, just come post in another shill smartphone gps software thread. Oldgays educate you morons all the time.
Next time save everyone some time ant tell us where you're looking to PrepHole...except if you're truly Californian please stay the frick in California and never post here again because you're cancer.
we square?
>This late in the game and you haven’t figured out how to use CalTopo. Sad.
I don't need to use a crutch for navigation. Not only did I learn to use a real map and compass before you were born, I'm also a professional draftsman with access to commercial printing equipment and can have a perfectly scaled, sectioned, and laminated topo map downladed from USGS and rubber-banded together in about ten to fifteen minutes.
If radiofrequency jammers weren't heavily illegal, I'd have one fabricated just for the entertainment value of watching phone-dependent idiots wander around the woods screaming for help. On the other hand, getting drone-striked by the FCC would mean never having to think about Californians again.
>What does that even mean? They have map layers from the entire country. I live in Alabama.
It was founded in California by Californians, and is still administrated by Californians. Of course they've expanded their scope, because Californians are moving everywhere... well, maybe not to Alabama, but then again, it's Alabama. No shortage of native idiots in your state.
PrepHole never fails to surprise me with its level of stupidity. Your loss, dumbass.
lol
not him but it's amazing to watch you navigationaly illiterate morons attempt to deride your obvious intellectual superiors. the cope is amazing.
we both know you can't read a paper map.
CalTopo is a website used for making custom maps. The website has been around for about 15 years. The app is maybe two years old. Most people use it to make custom printed maps.
All you did was sperg out. Will you do it again?
I thought that was obvious.
>in a thread about Cellphone navigation
you're not fooling anyone
Caltopo printed maps are shit, you're moronic for shilling otherwise.
>Caltopo printed maps are shit
Explain why. Use your words.
indeed
a) 99% of map users can get better, cheaper, completely fine for where they will be navigating from their local outdoor store
b) local map makers probably already have coverage for the area
c) USGS is better and comparatively priced for custom maps so you don't have to send money to California
and
d) frick California
>better
You didn’t explain what makes alternatives better.
>cheaper
Literally $1.50. Frick sake, how many times do I have to say that?
>local map makers
What the frick are you even talking about?
>USGS is better
Samegay, no doubt. CalTopo utilizes USGS maps. Not knowing the first thing about the website really doesn’t give you much room to criticize it.
>comparatively priced
USGS maps are free (you just have to pay to have them printed at Fed Ex; for the 5th time, it’s $1.50 per page). CalTopo has a free version.
>I hate California
Ok?
>$1.50
for what.
>Local maps are better
>what makes you say that
because I can walk into an outdoor store in Montana, Idaho, Washington, o
Oregon or literally most states and buy printed maps dirt cheap and already set up to cover the areas most requested.
>Not knowing the website
lol
>go to a website to help you make maps from usgs instead of just going to usgs
lmao
your shilling hard
>frick California
98% of people that out in America share this sentiment. The other 2% are from California.
>for what?
Already explained
>these maps are for popular areas
Oh
>not knowing the website
You already proved that by stating that USGS maps are “better” with. I explanation as to why.
>use the website for custom maps
Yes. That’s the idea. You don’t get it because before this thread you’d never heard of CalTop
>money to California
Are you the same guy who thought CalTopo was only applicable i California? The website is free. Again, you’d never even heard of it.
I seriously doubt you spend any time outdoors, maybe ch less actually navigating by a map. If you did, you’d be interested in better alternatives than USGS quads and maps of the local state park trails available at REI.
One of us is confused. How is printing custom map from a website akin to using a crutch?
You have the reading comprehension of an 8 year old
The caltopo shills are shilling gps navigation on a cellphone, moron.
You idiots are insufferable.
also, barely literate moron:
He can print better maps, cheaper, from other sources
Again…
>how is printing custom maps from a website akin to using a crutch?
He’s not deriding the app. He (and probably you) just don’t know what the frick CalTopo is.
>b-but he can get them from other sources!
No. He can’t get custom maps at all. He prints entire USGS quads. This is often redundant, as the area printed is often much bigger than the area being explored. A 40 mile path might cross through 10 quads. With a custom map he could print out a map specifically catered to his route and the surrounding area.
>on better paper
Yeah, Fed Ex is really lacking in their selection
>cheaper
That’s true. I mean who has an extra $1.50 for a map?
Again with the 8th grade reading level. He's literally an engineer with a professional grade large scale printer and classicly trained in navigation. I'm ex military and have cross training in artillery and signal corps so I'm both an expert in manual navigation as well as satellite systems. After the military I worked for Rockwell Collins on inertial navigation (which is older than gps and what all aircraft use) and helped run the software team that ran the navigation systems.
Learn to read. Caltopo is shit and you're an obvious shill. There are better map services out there but they are usually reigonal. Even usgs is better than Caltopo for most places in the US and Caltopo is shit for anything over seas.
>Even usgs is better than Caltopo for most places in the US
Anon, CalTopo utilizes USGS quads. It’s literally one of the map layers available on the site. It’s one of the most basic functions of it.
You could have just saved us all a lot of time and said “No hate CalTopo but have no idea what it is.”
>Go to a website to help you make a custom USGS map
I know exactly what it is
some fricktard Californian trying to make money on being a middle man, which is why they're cancer
>I know exactly what it is
Sure you do. 😉
>USGS maps are better
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!
They’re literally the exact same thing you fricking ape.
>They're the same except one sends money to California
thanks for reasserting my point
It’s free, and there are plenty of options and unique features of CalTopo. None of it applies to you though. Stay inside, stay fat, and stay mad.
I think you are missing OPs point. Somehow everyone is talking about printing out paper maps. OP is saying there's no other way to access free offline navigation on your phone with maps in the background that is as easy to use and quick as Alltrails is.
Except CalTopo combined with Topo Nomad does just that at a fraction of the cost and no recurring subscription fee. People (or perhaps the same homosexual) saw that comment and assumed that CalTopo was an app (and that it only applied to California, lol). It’s a website
>make custom maps for the area you plan to visit
>save them as geospatial PDF’s
>upload to your phone
>print them at FedEx
This is basic b***h shot that everyone already knows. Well, everyone who isn’t a sperg lord on PrepHole.
I am talking about navigating using your phone, not about printing maps. The point of alltrails is you can make custom maps in the app then use them when you have no cell service but your phone's gps will still tell you where you are on the map. I am not talking about printing out maps at all.
I'm pretty sure Caltopo costs money to use offline.
>learn to use a physical map
>stop whining and pony up for b***hboy pro sub
Pick one
>using cellphone GPS
>I'm pretty sure Caltopo costs money to use offline.
There seems to be some confusion here. CalTopo is both a website (that is, you use an actual computer to access it) and an app of the same name. You don’t need both.
The websites interface is similar to Google Maps; you drag map layers around and zoom in and out the same way. There are several map layers you can view, and all kinds of intricate features. After creating a custom map, it’s saved as a geospatial PDF. That’s a PDF with gps data interlaced to it. When uploaded into an app that supports that file type (Gaia, AllTrails, Avenza, Topo Nomad, Paper Maps, the CalTopo app…), the PDF image shows your location relative to the GPS data. It’s the same way the apps already work, but your creating the maps yourself.
The app most likely does have a subscription fee; I’ve never used the app nor suggested anyone else does. I’ve only talked about the website.
Obviously you should take a paper map as a backup, or use a phone as a backup with paper as your primary. The CalTopo website is perfect for this, as the maps you print are exactly the same as the maps on your phone (it’s literally the same image file that you created).
As an aside, I think anyone who claims to take only paper is a liar or moron. They already have a phone, and there’s no reason to not utilize its capabilities other than plain old stupidity.
>Obviously you should take a paper map as a backup
no
I haven't owned a printer in like a decade
I'm just asking if there are any free APP alternatives to alltrails that permit easy downloading of maps in useful layers such as usgs topo that are viewable in the app offline without paying
>I refuse to be prepared
>everyone should cater to my laziness
>I demand an app so I can stay glued to my phone even when I'm outside
>also it needs to be free
The sad thing is there used to be several that were free, or very cheap, or had free versions with basic functionality. I know because I’m just against software subscriptions as a rule, but it’s especially true for things like a simple navigation app. Displaying a simple dot that’s referencing GPS satay interlaced to a PDF file is a pretty simple program, right?
Topo Reader (now called Topo Nomad) was one that was very cheap. The free version allowed for 6 maps simultaneously. You could delete the old ones and upload new ones, but you couldn’t have more than 6 at a time. It’s mentioned above. It was $10 for a lifetime membership, or just use the free version forever. Now I think there’s only a 7 day free trial, a $5 a year subscription, or a one time $24 fee for a lifetime subscription.
Paper Maps (that’s the name of the app) was a nice and streamlined app with a free version as well. I think it was missing a few features, but the basics were all there. It went to pay only, not even a free trial (I don’t think).
I remember using Avenza as well. Not sure how the free version works now. I just looked and saw that I have 29 maps imported into it, but it might limit how many you can have active. I haven’t used it in a long while since buying Topo Nomad.
Gaia and AllTrails probably have free versions, but both seem to be feature-packed. I’ve tried both and don’t ever remember them being what I was looking for.
the free versions never allow you to view maps offline
This late in the game and you haven’t figured out how to use CalTopo. Sad.
>CalTopo
>check website to be sure, yep, by and for Californians
What does that even mean? They have map layers from the entire country. I live in Alabama.
>Uses a cellphone to navigate
I see the topologically illiterate trail hikers are having another circle jerk.
Nothing wrong with using a phone app to navigate an established hiking trail. Often trails around where I live will have many different forks and routes that weave in and out, it's like a maze. The phone just ensures that you're not walking in circles.
I wouldn't use it as my primary navigation tool for any serious PrepHoleing though.
I mean it also works for just random blazing. You just point the phone at the direction your car is, or the thingy ur trying to get to and walk.
The only issue if you want to use these apps without any cell phone service, they all charge you for it.
I've taken my phone to wilderness and backcountry plenty of times. I mean yeah if you have tons of money to blow and do expeditions or winter mountaineering in an alpine climate or something extreme, sure a standalone GPS unit might be for you, but for most people and budget-minded folks, an app is gonna work well.
On more serious trips I use it to get my exact location, then use a compass and paper map to follow my actual route. You can't use a phone to take/follow a bearing unless you're walking through a desert or a cleared path with no obstacles ahead.
Also where I go PrepHole you often have no phone signal and GPS becomes unreliable, often taking ages to update, or pointing you in the wrong direction. It just can't be relied upon as your only tool.
But yeah I don't get people who claim they never use their phone. It's an amazing piece of technology, you just need to understand its limits.
I've never had GPS been unreliable with no phone signal. The whole point of a GPS chip is it works as long as you have a clear view of the sky.
> It just can't be relied upon as your only tool.
it easily can
bringing a paper map and compass for each hike is madness if you hike regularly
>or pointing you in the wrong direction
kinda the whole point is you can move around with your phone out and see if ur headed the right way
this whole "gps doesn't work without cell signal!!!" mythos needs to die, it simply is not true
i mean sometimes it takes a second or two to fix your location, but if you have your phone in airplane mode it should never really be a problem
>I've never had GPS been unreliable with no phone signal. The whole point of a GPS chip is it works as long as you have a clear view of the sky.
> as long as you have a clear view of the sky.
Yeah, that's the problem. If there's heavy overcast or you're in a dense forest, it stops being reliable. GPS in the Boreal forest is unreliable at times. Just the way things are.
>bringing a paper map and compass for each hike is madness if you hike regularly
I didn't say I bring one for every hike. I said I bring one for serious PrepHoletings, such as when I'm going hunting on public land, or camping in a big park such as Algonquin. And as I mentioned earlier, you can't take a bearing with a phone. Have you ever tried bushwhacking through a forest with your phone out in front of you the whole time for miles at a time? It's an absurd way to do things.
>kinda the whole point is you can move around with your phone out and see if ur headed the right way
>this whole "gps doesn't work without cell signal!!!" mythos needs to die, it simply is not true
Like I said, sometimes it just doesn't work as intended, and it has lead me in the completely wrong direction on multiple occasions. I've learned this the hard way, I'm not just regurgitating what I heard other people say. Just because you have personally never had that problem doesn't mean it doesn't exist. If you personally can get around fine with just a phone, good for you. Keep doing what you're doing.
>Yeah, that's the problem. If there's heavy overcast or you're in a dense forest,
wat
i've never had this issue
I had an issue ONCE driving through midtown manhattan because the buildings were so tall, and this was with a crappy car gps 20 years ago in a rental car
Maybe if you are CAVING, gps doesn't work, but it shouldn't ever be a problem otherwise.
>GPS in the Boreal forest is unreliable at times
kinda the whole point of GPS is that it is not unreliable.
>and it has lead me in the completely wrong direction on multiple occasions.
then ur using it wrong lol
I've had it lead me out of dense brush when I went the wrong way
you point the phone at where the trail is supposed to be and walk
sometimes there is no trail anymore, but that's a different thing
Holy shit dude just shut up. Your petty arguing isn't going to change the reality of the situation.
>Holy shit dude just shut up. Your petty arguing isn't going to change the reality of the situation.
I’ve never had issues in the PNW, the Deep South, Redwood NP, or Appalachia.
If you don't have a cell signal you can't even load the app regardless of whether or not your GPS works, which is a nonstarter for using it as your only way of navigation. I ran into a group of zoomer girls wearing $1k Canada Goose coats on a trail yesterday who were walking around in circles in -10C because they had no signal and forgot to open alltrails before they left. They had no compass, no way to start a fire, no flashlights or headlamps, and it was 2 hours till sundown. If they hadn't bumped into me and followed me back to the parking lot they would have been fricked.
Pretty hilarious situation, but also pretty sad how reliant people are today on their phones.
sooooo ....
You got laid or what?
If you didn't atleast get a bj in the parking lot your story sucks and you should have let them Darwin
Stop watching so much porn incel
you disingenuous fricks are cancer.
Anyone telling you to go off trail in the Olympic national forest or rhe north cascades using a cellphone to navigate is an idiot.
>still implying cell phone gps won't work unless you have signal from a cell tower
WRONG
>implying
that wasn't implied from that post you fricking moron.
<--you are here
>Incel
so you're a fat female...your opinion is invalid
Not only am i neither fat nor a female, but i was with my girlfriend during the hike and the group we saved was being lead by an ugly dyke who probably had to suck up every ounce of willpower she had to ask a straight white male for help
>words uppon words
>I'm not a manhating c**t, incel!
lie more lady
you are mentally ill
>this is wrong
>you are dumb
Typical zoomer response. It’s as though they’re incapable of explanation.
what?
Like I said, they’re incapable of explanation. You don’t understand why simply stating something is wrong and following it with an insult is moronic because the part of your brain used for dialogue never developed.
not what guy
if you go off trail in Olympic national park with a cellphone you're really pretty dumb.
Thick canopy, unpredictable weather and deep cut valleys frick most of the average cell gps receivers (some moron on this board keeps claiming all cellphones have good gps receivers which is a lie).
Also, stop lying or misrepresenting arguments in greentext, newbie.
You don’t understand paraphrasing or indirect quotes either. Sad.
>not all phones have good GPS
Flagship phones have been using the same GPS hardware as dedicated GPS receivers for over a decade.
>all cellphone gps is good
you're obviously moronic
>flagship phones
>all phones
And you think I’m the moron.
It's a business model like Lifelock. Lifelock, lifelock +, lifelock gold, lifelock platinum
I suppose using an actual fricking map is out of the question
Pic rel
Also you already have a phone, right?
It is and then they scream for help not far from a trail and expect me to turn around on my hike in to help their lost asses out.
Yes. The whole point is on a phone I can see my position instantly in real time in regards to the overall map and the track I am supposed to be on.
I've hiked with my phone plenty of places where we didn't see people all day and the phone gets you out of places where you otherwise would have gotten lost. Sometimes the route is really straightforward. It varies a lot.
Also, with a paper map you are stuck hiking in the area that paper map covers. With Alltrails, I can save multiple larger area maps and go anywhere or change my mind and do something different at the last minute.
Why would you pay for an alltrails subscription? The only useful features are free...
Although I find phone-dependent losers contemptible, I fully support their decision to remain proudly dependent on their phones.
I also fully support people who always take the bare minimum they think they'll need into the wilderness. Articles about tourists disappearing or dying in the wilderness have to come from somewhere, and they're a great source of sensible chuckles.
Are the ultra lighters in the room with you now?
Lots of hate for all trails but the trail rating idea is bretty gud especially for those who don't larp as les stroud. Especially if you have to drive multiple hours to get anywhere. Could you imagine driving 3 hours to a goshdarn paved trail with no elevation?
>trail rating
>fifty bullshit ratings from lardasses who are upset about a 2% grade
No thanks
>a blatant shill thread stays up
>aaa yes I like paying money for community created content
get oruxmaps app and download wikiloc routes, IT'S FREE. I used this combo since 2011
Several years ago, me and two others from the hiking group I ran were on a two night trip, exploring some less popular trails. One of them saw a “trail” that had been posted to AllTrails. It showed a path that led from a very popular waterfall to another nearby trail, which would have made for a perfect connection, creating a loop. The other sources (USGS and a trail map of unknown origin) didn’t show the connecting trail.
Their deinstall was a connecting trail. It followed a cliff wall that gradually became taller over ~2 miles, and abruptly dead ends at a very steep drop off. It’s supposed to turn north, in the direction of the cliff wall it faces.
Is that common with AllTrails?
its free for a reason, the sites have less offerings, the map layers aren't as good, the websites are harder to use, it takes more time, etc.
I never thought the alltrails website was good till I checked out wikiloc, even myhikes.org is better than that trash
I would say whole ass routes that are just "haha ur gonna end up falling off a cliff" as a troll are pretty rare on alltrails, but random ass trail segments that do not appear on the usgs topo but show that you could go a different way based on the "allltrails" map are quite common, sometimes they work, sometimes they don', sometimes they tell you to go straight from a cliff down the hill, sometimes that works, sometimes it does not
go away shill reddit is that way
>you don't have to open alltrails before you leave, that's moronic
You do. How else will it load the specific trail that you're on with no signal? You have to pre-download the trail map. GPS won't help you with that. I don't know how the pro version works but obviously they didn't have it.
The specific trail map is stored locally on your device. You download it to your phone before leaving the house. When you get to wherever you’re going, you do not need cell service to access it. Forgetting to do download maps to a phone is akin to forgetting to bring along a paper map.
>you need a cell signal
Do download the maps, yes, you need some kind of service (cell or Wi-Fi). I have that at home. Everyone does. You don’t need cell service to access maps you already downloaded, or to load the app (but I think you misspoke when you typed that).
>Forgetting to do download maps to a phone is akin to forgetting to bring along a paper map.
No it's not, because morons expect their phone to just werk, and it does 90% of the time. That's why it's so dangerous, especially for these newbies who have no business walking around in forests.
>You don’t need cell service to access maps you already downloaded, or to load the app
Neither me or my girlfriend were able to load the app until we got way up on a hill and found a bit of signal. It just stayed at the start screen with a bunch of blurred images like it was trying to load. Again, no idea how the pro version works, but I ain't paying for that shit.
>Pretending to know anything about manual navigation.
Just stop.
>alltrails
>not using OnX
Shiggydiggy
With regards to offline use, is OnX free, a onetime purchase, or a subscription? I’m starting to think that the days off free offline GPS apps are over.
It's not free at all unfortunately. Honestly, AllTrails is probably better if you're just into hiking, but OnX is good for everything else. My only gripe is that you purchase by state, so you only get one state at a time, unless you pay more. But I don't travel so much out of my state that a paper map won't suffice. Plus, OnX will show trails and roads outside of the state you paid for, just won't show ownership
>alltrails
You're so pathetic
>ctrl+f
>Theodore John Kaczynski
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have a nice day. All of you. You are a moron gorilla Black person. If you think you need the ~~*cell phone*~~ to nav the woods. I hope you all fall down a side of a mountain and get eaten butthole first by chipmunks.
Know what else works without signal? A fricking map
I don’t know, and I don’t care. I said flagship phones use the same hardware as stand alone GPS devices, which has been true for at least a decade. Some homosexual misquoted me as saying all phones have good GPS functionality and called me a moron.
I’m sure there are some burners you can get that have subpar GPS capabilities (or none at all). I doubt they’re common.
You already have a phone, so are you too lazy to upload maps into to, too stupid to figure it out, or too poor?