In this case, these companies cannot exist without the revenue from US government contracts for training military pilots. If they tried to go mercenary, they'd be broke in a couple months. In addition, most of their pilots are retirees who have no interest in ruining their military pensions.
They fill a niche: they can offer supplemental, on-call training from skilled veterans for a far cheaper price than the US government could manage if they stood up that many Aggressor squadrons. It's a win-win-win for the government, the companies, and the pilots (who get to fly fast jets and even dogfight without the pressure or paperwork of being on Active Duty).
>In this case, these companies cannot exist without the revenue from US government contracts
They can (and do) contract out to allied governments, and it's really not much different from other civilian providers who only deal with governments, by and large. Especially infrastructure companies such as water supply and rail transport.
Lol they can't even get the fucking gear in country without the DoD approving. Even then they usually get stripped of all weapons. There's a reason the big red team company in the US is a former red team flier. They are "private" companies founded in the wake of Reagan killing many useful and smart government programs that did shit for the mil and then siphoning that money and more into contracting to get worse service. Previously the US mil would have just maintained the fleet and owned the planes, now they have to pay for that privilege in addition to subsidizing the care and maintenance anyway. Still though it is pretty neat, especially when you realize that between this the Pepsi Navy, and the Coca Cola death squads our big industries basically have a fully functional military lmao.
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Anonymous
>Previously the US mil would have just maintained the fleet and owned the planes
for free amirite
1 month ago
Anonymous
Free? Hell no, at much cheaper overall prices while keeping the knowledge institutionalized in itself? Absolutely. Remember knowledge is power and highly trained pilots are expensive. Better to sign a 6 year contract and then hook em again for another 6 than pay for them on the private market.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Government >cheaper than private
lol
lmao even
1 month ago
Anonymous
>while keeping the knowledge institutionalized
There isn't anything to learn from Aggressor work. The results and manoeuvres are there for both sides and the monitoring staff to see, and debriefing is part of the contract. Lessons learned are absorbed by the serving pilots - that's literally what the training is for. The private pilots are old and would never be frontline pilots anyway.
It's actually a good move that frees up current pilots for the fighter force.
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Anonymous
Able and ready ground crews. Training and practice as red team (teaching pilots more about enemy tactics through route familiarization). Legacy gear knowledge and feel for planes they might see out in the world. None of this type of knowledge can just be shared. It's a culture and environment. Keeping all the stick jockeys in Uncle Sam's house means they spend more time together, more time discussing these things and more.
>Government >cheaper than private
lol
lmao even
It is literally a well known secret that gov contracting post Reagan is a massive scam that is draining what used to be functional agencies dry. You would know this if you ever actually spent time in both the gov and contracting worlds. Next you'll tell me you work some basic contract job and because some General put in for a costly desk that means you should give your dipshit CEO a billion of the American people's dollars so he can offshore his critical infrastructure from America.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Able and ready ground crews
Can be contracted from the same source if the shit hits the fan, and are a waste in peacetime >teaching pilots more about enemy tactics
Draken isn't a bunch of elite experts, anon; they're just paid to be smart targets >None of this type of knowledge can just be shared
Sharing this type of knowledge is literally the point of the training, and the pilots who pass through the course learn it and go on to train their units; most NATO armed forces work on a train-the-trainer model at this level >Keeping all the stick jockeys in Uncle Sam's house means they spend more time together, more time discussing these things
They already do as part of the training. There's nothing else the fifty year old boomers who make up your average Draken pilot can contribute. Techniques are further developed in-house, and in fact that helps preserve secrecy. >graph >*Full costs not included
Uhuh yeah
It's almost as if people don't want to work for the peanuts the government pays
Also, contractors tend to be specialist experts and knowledge workers, not your average broom jockey >It is literally
whatever man, I've heard all this before
you people have no idea how costs work, and you come up with this flat-earth-tier bullshit to explain stuff you could've learned in Econs 101
1 month ago
Anonymous
LOL moron the government pays the bill no matter what. It's cheaper to do it using the military. It is what it is. You'll continue to scream nuh uh while providing 0 evidence while anyone with any knowledge of the situation will simply look at the total DoD expenditure for private contractors and see that we are literally paying them to do shit the mil already did for worse services and for more. Food service in particular is an example of this.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>It is what it is
No, it isn't >You'll continue to scream
I'm not the one ranting here, buddy >while providing 0 evidence
Your cute little primary colored pie chart impresses nobody >anyone with any knowledge of the situation
So, not you >we are literally paying them to do shit the mil already did
Inefficiently >for worse services
Said the Top Gun graduate >Food service
You would cry if you went back to the "good ol days" of having some random fat mong sling shitty roadside diner hash
Free? Hell no, at much cheaper overall prices while keeping the knowledge institutionalized in itself? Absolutely. Remember knowledge is power and highly trained pilots are expensive. Better to sign a 6 year contract and then hook em again for another 6 than pay for them on the private market.
I would like to see the receipts. I don't believe that the DOD couldn't do this capability at a competitive or cheaper rate.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Are you retarded that's the point being made in the fucking post.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Are you not able to see a neutrally worded post that supports your position for what it is?
Not everything is a fight or a troll anon.
No, it's a fucking rich kid playing with his toys. The founder made billions off credit card processing before he was 40 and instead of doing space and cars, he's doing wiz bang jets.
Draken doesn't make money, it's just a rich kid toy.
>almost behind a major happening >cucked out
that's why. Shogun Priggy would have been a cool arc but instead he chose to become random flunkie murdered by Putin #122354.
>just a few months ago 4chan was furiously sucking these guys off, now they're mocking their deaths
Nothing unexpected, since Pringles was the boss of the Internet Research Agency shills
Now they have to prove their loyalty
Clever idea to equip private companies with military equipment, worked out well with Wagner.
I would let the CEOs and board of directors be hanged publicly in front of the capitol to remind them that the state and the people have the absolute authority.
Another american company having a better air force than Germany
God, I love Draken
I wonder why Blackwater never tried to get into the Air Force game, beyond some helicopters
Maintenance of modern jet-powered combat aircraft is mind-numbingly expensive. Like hundreds of thousands of dollars per aircraft per year.
>63 Mirage F1
>Italy can't compete
They seriously get fat American defense checks.
These are glowie fronts posing as consulting firms.
This. To think that these companies have any chance to operate outside explicit government control is delusional.
ALL companies operate within government oversight, dipshit
or did you think McDonald's, Apple, and Tesla are allowed to do whatever they like?
And government oversight policy is dictated by industries
or did you think lobbyists and think tanks are allowed to say anything they like?
>government oversight policy is dictated by industries
It really isn't
If corpos had their way they would in fact do away with lobbying
As a general principle, you should assume the one receiving the danegeld holds the power and not the one paying it.
In this case, these companies cannot exist without the revenue from US government contracts for training military pilots. If they tried to go mercenary, they'd be broke in a couple months. In addition, most of their pilots are retirees who have no interest in ruining their military pensions.
They fill a niche: they can offer supplemental, on-call training from skilled veterans for a far cheaper price than the US government could manage if they stood up that many Aggressor squadrons. It's a win-win-win for the government, the companies, and the pilots (who get to fly fast jets and even dogfight without the pressure or paperwork of being on Active Duty).
Man, I miss Lex.
>In this case, these companies cannot exist without the revenue from US government contracts
They can (and do) contract out to allied governments, and it's really not much different from other civilian providers who only deal with governments, by and large. Especially infrastructure companies such as water supply and rail transport.
Lol they can't even get the fucking gear in country without the DoD approving. Even then they usually get stripped of all weapons. There's a reason the big red team company in the US is a former red team flier. They are "private" companies founded in the wake of Reagan killing many useful and smart government programs that did shit for the mil and then siphoning that money and more into contracting to get worse service. Previously the US mil would have just maintained the fleet and owned the planes, now they have to pay for that privilege in addition to subsidizing the care and maintenance anyway. Still though it is pretty neat, especially when you realize that between this the Pepsi Navy, and the Coca Cola death squads our big industries basically have a fully functional military lmao.
>Previously the US mil would have just maintained the fleet and owned the planes
for free amirite
Free? Hell no, at much cheaper overall prices while keeping the knowledge institutionalized in itself? Absolutely. Remember knowledge is power and highly trained pilots are expensive. Better to sign a 6 year contract and then hook em again for another 6 than pay for them on the private market.
>Government
>cheaper than private
lol
lmao even
>while keeping the knowledge institutionalized
There isn't anything to learn from Aggressor work. The results and manoeuvres are there for both sides and the monitoring staff to see, and debriefing is part of the contract. Lessons learned are absorbed by the serving pilots - that's literally what the training is for. The private pilots are old and would never be frontline pilots anyway.
It's actually a good move that frees up current pilots for the fighter force.
Able and ready ground crews. Training and practice as red team (teaching pilots more about enemy tactics through route familiarization). Legacy gear knowledge and feel for planes they might see out in the world. None of this type of knowledge can just be shared. It's a culture and environment. Keeping all the stick jockeys in Uncle Sam's house means they spend more time together, more time discussing these things and more.
It is literally a well known secret that gov contracting post Reagan is a massive scam that is draining what used to be functional agencies dry. You would know this if you ever actually spent time in both the gov and contracting worlds. Next you'll tell me you work some basic contract job and because some General put in for a costly desk that means you should give your dipshit CEO a billion of the American people's dollars so he can offshore his critical infrastructure from America.
>Able and ready ground crews
Can be contracted from the same source if the shit hits the fan, and are a waste in peacetime
>teaching pilots more about enemy tactics
Draken isn't a bunch of elite experts, anon; they're just paid to be smart targets
>None of this type of knowledge can just be shared
Sharing this type of knowledge is literally the point of the training, and the pilots who pass through the course learn it and go on to train their units; most NATO armed forces work on a train-the-trainer model at this level
>Keeping all the stick jockeys in Uncle Sam's house means they spend more time together, more time discussing these things
They already do as part of the training. There's nothing else the fifty year old boomers who make up your average Draken pilot can contribute. Techniques are further developed in-house, and in fact that helps preserve secrecy.
>graph
>*Full costs not included
Uhuh yeah
It's almost as if people don't want to work for the peanuts the government pays
Also, contractors tend to be specialist experts and knowledge workers, not your average broom jockey
>It is literally
whatever man, I've heard all this before
you people have no idea how costs work, and you come up with this flat-earth-tier bullshit to explain stuff you could've learned in Econs 101
LOL moron the government pays the bill no matter what. It's cheaper to do it using the military. It is what it is. You'll continue to scream nuh uh while providing 0 evidence while anyone with any knowledge of the situation will simply look at the total DoD expenditure for private contractors and see that we are literally paying them to do shit the mil already did for worse services and for more. Food service in particular is an example of this.
>It is what it is
No, it isn't
>You'll continue to scream
I'm not the one ranting here, buddy
>while providing 0 evidence
Your cute little primary colored pie chart impresses nobody
>anyone with any knowledge of the situation
So, not you
>we are literally paying them to do shit the mil already did
Inefficiently
>for worse services
Said the Top Gun graduate
>Food service
You would cry if you went back to the "good ol days" of having some random fat mong sling shitty roadside diner hash
Rant away, chud.
I would like to see the receipts. I don't believe that the DOD couldn't do this capability at a competitive or cheaper rate.
Are you retarded that's the point being made in the fucking post.
Are you not able to see a neutrally worded post that supports your position for what it is?
Not everything is a fight or a troll anon.
No, it's a fucking rich kid playing with his toys. The founder made billions off credit card processing before he was 40 and instead of doing space and cars, he's doing wiz bang jets.
Draken doesn't make money, it's just a rich kid toy.
m8 the 141 typhoons the german airforce flys would absolutely dunk on that force of 70s and 80s hand me downs
My country has 90 F-35s, I'm not too frazzled.
You have to add tattoos to the neck of Utkin.
Jesus, just a few months ago 4chan was furiously sucking these guys off, now they're mocking their deaths. The place is downright Stalinist.
When they were killing russians they were based. Now they are dead russians which is also based.
>almost behind a major happening
>cucked out
that's why. Shogun Priggy would have been a cool arc but instead he chose to become random flunkie murdered by Putin #122354.
>just a few months ago 4chan was furiously sucking these guys off, now they're mocking their deaths
Nothing unexpected, since Pringles was the boss of the Internet Research Agency shills
Now they have to prove their loyalty
The company Top Aces flies old F-16A's built in 1979 that they upgraded with things like AESA, HMCS, Link-16.
I fucking love the Mirage F1 in DCS. Kinda shitty but absolutely bonkers.
These companies get subcontracted by allied and friendly governments for OPFOR fighter training, nothing more.
They don't do mercenary Tom Clancy or Ace Combat shit.
These guys fly out of my local airport, It’s strange to see Hawker Hunters fly around in the year of our lord two thousand twenty three.
Clever idea to equip private companies with military equipment, worked out well with Wagner.
I would let the CEOs and board of directors be hanged publicly in front of the capitol to remind them that the state and the people have the absolute authority.