>live in the noguns republic of Europistan
>getting a firearms license is a lot of hassle
>gubmint didn't bother putting any muzzle energy restrictions on airguns
>pic related slings 40 grain .22 slugs at 1050 fps
>can just about double the energy by dropping in a 9mm barrel if I want
>suppressed
>over-the-counter item
>can legally shoot in my living room
>can legally shoot in my backyard
>quality slugs are about 3 cents per round
I think airfuns are under-appreciated.
Based for Europe, /toy/ for US
this is what it boils down to. I'd just as soon shoot a powder actuated gun at any given power level because it's so much more convenient. if I got a 38 airgun, I'd also have to get a high pressure pump and a bunch of spare tanks, or a large bottle of compressed gas, all of which is a pain in the dick.
It has boons and costs in either direction, and thats assuning you exclusively choose PCP and not spring or gas ram which would not need any of those equipment.
>>over-the-counter item
>>can legally shoot in my living room
>>can legally shoot in my backyard
slugs are about 3 cents per round
Sucks you guys can't just get a 22. But yeah if I was somehow cucked out of owning one I would definitely get a cope pellet gun
Not OP, and I have several .22s, suppressors as well, but airguns are still great because you can shoot them places you can't shoot a real gun and they're cheaper to shoot.
Airguns are pretty poor choice for defense unless you have a lot of money for something that is both reasonably powerful and semiautomatic, which will be expensive. But nearly any real gun would be better.
They're neat little toys.
What happens if you an an man in defense of you and yours with it?
the man passes on to the hereafter and will be a threat to you and yours no more
I mean, I could, but it would come with all the license paperwork for a gun license and you can only shoot it at a range with usually very limited opening hours. Also, no suppressors allowed here plus I'd pay €20 for a box of 100 cci minimags.
it's pretty much the same level of self defense you'd get from a bolt action .22. Not ideal by any stretch of the imagination but a gun is better than no gun.
I seen a tiny ass .22 round nose drop a nigga plenty a days, man.
Pretty sure he meant what happens to you in court when you kill a man in a country that doesn't allow self defense, but yeah cool "just as good as a .22" cope
>shoot 1 magazine
>air gauge and velocity drop so much it becomes a paperweight
Also the price for those pieces of shit is retarded. At least here you are looking at 1000€ for the most basic bitch loadout.
>velocity drop so much it becomes a paperweight
Are you retarded? Most modern PCP air rifles have regulators so the shot-to-shot velocity is consistent. What OP posted is probably the most autistically precise one out there. Expensive? Yeah. But velocity drop isn't a problem.
And how many full-power shots fit into such a tank?
5? 10, at the very most?
Depends on the caliber. A few hundred if it's .177, 45 if it's 9mm.
Not the anon you replied to, but did you actually shoot PCP rifles before?
With my AEA I get a ~100fps drop with every shot after the third. His criticism is valid. There was a giga shill here once saying PCP rifles are "the ultimate survival tool". But if you are actually out in the field with, for example, an AEA Challenger in .45, it's only gotta last you 6 usable shots, since it only had a 500cc tank. If we are talking just plinking cans with 7 joules, sure, you can fire 300 shots. But if it comes to actual hunting or self-defense and you crank the power to the maximum of 600 joules, you only get 6 usable shots, which are one magazine. That's not my opinion, this is the official information from the retailer.
>was that six shots, or only five?
>but did you actually shoot PCP rifles before?
Yes, I own three. A BSA R10 MkII .22 cal, an FX Impact (original version, not the fancy one seen here) also .22 cal, and an Ataman M2R .30 cal.
>With my AEA I get a ~100fps drop with every shot after the third
You bought one that doesn't have a regulator. I'm not claiming they're the ultimate survival or defense tool, I'm just pointing out that for the air rifle OP posted shot-to-shot consistency is not a problem.
At max power (~100 ft/lbs, 135 joules) I get around 65 regulated shots from a 0.7L 300 bar tank. The guns you're referring to put of intermediate rifle cartridge levels of energy.
Do you know if turkish airguns by hatsan are any good? For example the hatsan hercules shoots a 9mm. But it also weights 6kg
I've heard their pcp lineup is decent since its their main focus right now but my only experience is with a springer i got and returned because it was slapped together with negligable qc and the replacement was worse lol I dont trust the turks but you do you. Join some air gun forums, the boomers there are hilariously autistic but if you can wade through walls of text they have some good info out there.
You can own a non-garbage gun almost anywhere in EUSSR yet you fucking airgun homosexuals still insist on showing off your trash
>gubmint didn't bother putting any muzzle energy restrictions on airguns
Hey, for now.
>Hey, for now.
There's actually a report saying that in the new weapons law, they won't put in a energy restriction.
KANKEEEEER
>I'm too drunk to actually write precise requirements for gun ownership over here
Mate, it's 5:40. Stop day drinking.
> (submit to an administrative background check at this point)
You need to do this before becoming an aspiring member of the shooting club. Also, national shooting association (KNSA) isn't a requirement anymore.
>submit to psychological evaluation,
This has been suspended indefinitely.
>have two people in your direct circle (parents, family) vouch for you
Three people.
>>go through medical evaluation as well, submit all medication you take
Nope, never been the case.
> they take their sweet time with it too
They have to respond within eight weeks or they owe you money.
>have to store gun in safe #1 which has to be bolted to something made from concrete
>have to store ammo in safe #2 which has to be bolted to something made from concrete
Nope, you can have one safe with a subsafe, provided you can't access gun and ammo at the same time directly. Also, if it weighs more than 200kg you don't need to bolt it down.
>only allowed to take gun to and from shooting range via most logical/fastest route
You can also go to gunshops and the police, obviously.
>can own 5 firearms max
Not true with a lot of exemptions. Also, uppers don't count towards the maximum.
>>can only own centerfire firearms 1 year after getting your initial license
Not true, you can own shotguns and antiques in your first year
>no full-auto guns
>no suppressors
Not true for collectors, and there's one particular exemption for sport shooters (schutterijen).
t. expert in Dutch gun law
wejo ik wist deze dingen helemaal niet
jammer genoeg heb ik een strafblad: ernstige dreiging tegen het lijf gericht...
en ik ben een aantal keer opgepakt voor ditjes en datjes maar geen strafblad daarvoor gekregen...
maak ik nog een kans om legaal een vuurwapen te bezitten of is het volkomen hopeloos?
If you wait for eight years everything should be removed from your record.
thank you for the corrections, kanker broeder. I just received my KNSA membership card yesterday, might go for license, might not.
>this gun costs 2400€ in my country
yes it cost me an arm and a dick but retail therapy is also therapy
I love the Texan so fucking much bros
>can't buy guns
>splurge on Gucci air rifle that fulfills your need to reach out and touch something reasonably well
>dress it up to look like an AR for LARP
>post it online when you already live somewhere cucked enough to have banned guns in the first place, so grabbers can freak out and use it to start rallying to have these sickening baby killing weapons of war removed from the streets too
Any gun in civilian circulation is a good thing, moshe. Especially if modern air rifles can reach .22lr - .45ACP levels of power output.
You're a fucking illiterate moron. You deserve your nannystate. Keep coping while I go out and actually shoot something.
Ok retard.
>WOAAAH THE GRABBERS WILL REACT TO THIS PrepHole POST ABOUT MUH AIR RIFLES REEEEE
trust me nobody will care until somebody does a mass shooting with one.
>Air rifles ain' sh-
Germany?
Nah, Germany is gigacucked, they cap the power of air rifles, anything above 5,5 (yes, five-and-a-half) foot pounds of energy requires a license I think.
Netherlands do not have any restriction on air rifle energy though, you can even buy those funky .50 cals there.
hoi
i just copped a neat little 50 cal home defense pistol actually,
right now im just shooting rubber loads in stock form but the germans have made a ton of attachments and mods for it... looking to screw on a couple barrel extensions, expand the gas chamber... oh and buy a bunch of aluminium 50 cal balls for it. should be an effective home defense tool after all that.
Ahhhh dude, I really don't know. Home defense with rubber balls does not inspire confidence, if it really turns out to be a life-or-death situation of sorts, there's way better lethal options (big bore air rifles, crossbows) but also less lethal options (pepper spray). But this is just my opinion, I do believe rubber balls hurt but they only do that, it hurts like a weak punch maybe, but idk, I never tried it and don't want to discourage you.
in my beautiful country, if someone breaks into my house and i shoot them with a crossbow. i would be sent to prison for many years. it hurts pretty bad with the rubber balls and with the aluminium balls in there they could easily crack a rib i reckon
should be good enough, plus its loud.
kanker
Ah dutchland not deutchland.
Germany considers anything over 7.5 joule (about 5.5 foot-pounds) a regulated gun, that's also where the inflated BS gun ownership numbers in the map come from, air-rifles that are known to have been sold but weren't registered when they were made regulated guns.
>considers anything over 7.5 joule
... mistake, it's I remembered actually worse, anything above 0.5 Joule is regulated and legally a gun (and therfor full auto airsoft illegal) and not a toy, anything over 7.5 needs registration and permit.
several numbers are also grossly underestimated, Small Arms Survey of 2017 contradicts that map a lot
>getting a firearms license is a lot of hassle
You zoomer clowns consider going to the PD and filling out a bunch of forms "a lot of hassle", and passing an exam "unobtainium".
Post the actual requirements so I can fucking laugh at you.
He never said unobtainium, and you just agreed with him implicitly, "a bunch" is "a lot" braindead homosexual (also probably a zoomer)
>doesn't actually post the requirements
lol noguns babies
As if I would waste my time arguing with choleric strangers on the internet
>enroll in shooting club
>be a junior member there for 6 moths
>after 6 months apply for junior membership of national shooting association (submit to an administrative background check at this point)
>after 1 year you may apply for a firearms permit, but only .22lr and for disciplines you officially shoot
>submit to psychological evaluation, have two people in your direct circle (parents, family) vouch for you
>need to show that you went shooting at least 18 times in the last 12 months
>go through medical evaluation as well, submit all medication you take
>maybe they approve you, maybe not, and they take their sweet time with it too
>finally get firearms permit
>have to store gun in safe #1 which has to be bolted to something made from concrete
>have to store ammo in safe #2 which has to be bolted to something made from concrete
>only allowed to take gun to and from shooting range via most logical/fastest route
>can own 5 firearms max
>can only own centerfire firearms 1 year after getting your initial license
>nothing .50 cal and over
>no full-auto guns
>no suppressors
>everything can get taken away if you so much as drive through a red light or get a speeding ticket
So yeah, not impossible but certainly quite involved.
Why do you speak out when you obviously have no idea how fucking bad it is in some countries.
I'm too drunk to actually write precise requirements for gun ownership over here, but from what I can tell.
1) need to get a permission from the police for 1 of 3 reasons. Sport, hunting or self defence. Im sure each one of those must have a reason for. Cant just say im getting this gun to defend myself.
2) types of guns you can get depend on your age and experience. Even high powered air rifles need a license.
3) how much ammo you can keep is also capped at like 500 rounds.
4) "military style" rifles are just flat out banned.
5) have to keep your weapons in a safe.
6) cant carry more than 2 weapons on you at the same time
7) if you own more that 10 funs you have to have a gun collectors license.
>Goverment didnt put any muzzle energy restrictions on airguns
If only that was true
Well, it might be like that. When I used to work in a mil-surp shop a man with a 25J Gamo air rifle came in just as I was about to close. He needed a scope mount right there right now. Did some tinkering, sold this man a scope mount, mounted said scope, reminded him of zeroing. Keep in mind that air rifle he came in was actually illegal here, since muzzle energy limits in my country are 7J. When questioned where he was coming from, he said he came from Netherlands (emigrated there searching for work prospects some time ago).
So yeah - it is very common for western countries to swing b&hammer on firearms, simultaneously forgetting about air rifles and black-powder firearms (obvious exception: Germany)
>inb4 haven't been paid for that 1,5 hour overtime I did there.
I like my buck, it's fun to shoot at cans in the backyard while drinking or cooking up.
right? They're lots of fun.
They are, I am waiting on a general someday. Air guns are just cartridgeless guns at the end of the day (PCP tactical style rifles are pretty kino too).
yeah, why isn't there an /ARG/ thread up usually?
Lets see if it gets traction
okay maybe we shouldn't name it /ARG/ since that's the Assault Rifle 15 crowd's thread is.. /AGG/?
Yeah, air gun general is nice, since it also includes air pistols