Aim-260 expected in months

Who do you think is going to be the first foreign operator?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Not Ukraine.
    There, close the thread.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      a single one for ukraine just for shit and giggles

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Israel obviously

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    South Korea or Israel.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Australia.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They might even make them here in the new Lockheed Martin rocket factory, I know the USAF was wanting a lot of production numbers on them quickly

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Israel. They have their own domestic medium and long-range AAM programs but AIPAC will lobby for their sale to Israel, and elements within Israel will then sell it to China and Russia

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > medium and long-range AAM programs
      LOL their range is only 20 km
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Python_(missile)

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Are you moronic? Almost no IR missiles have a range further than that. That anon wasn't talking about the Python.
        Regardless, you didn't read the entire page you linked. The I-Derby ER, which is basically just an enlarged Python with a radar seeker, has a stated range of 100km

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Almost no IR missiles have a range further than that.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >guidance semi-active radar

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Does a dual mode seeker sounds new to you?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Derby and Sky Spear.

        Also china is already ahead of you. The missile is in response to chinese pl-15

        The AIM-260 is roughly the same size and dimensions as the AIM-120, so significantly lighter and smaller than the PL-15. Despite this, it's slated to match or exceed the bigger missile's performance.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          How about the missile in development, the PL-21?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That's what LREW is for. The US actually has *3* different AAMs in development right now; JATM, LREW, and CUDA.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >pl15
          You mean a glorified Phoenix? Those aren't a threat to a competent pilot in a good aircraft. Oh, wait China doesn't have either of those things.

          >Thinking long range missiles are just short range missiles but with a bigger fuel tank
          Chang, that missile wont even hit the same zipcode as its target, its gonna get juggled by fricking tankers or fall out of the sky because it hit turbulance on its way

          Epic cope
          > The missile is officially called the AIM-260 Joint Advanced Tactical Missile, or JATM. The effort has been fast-tracked in order to counter rapid developments in long-range air-to-air missile capabilities among America’s peer state competitors and especially China

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >The AIM-260 is roughly the same size and dimensions as the AIM-120, so significantly lighter and smaller than the PL-15. Despite this, it's slated to match or exceed the bigger missile's performance.

          What do they change to improve it without enlargening it? Propellant? The missile frame?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            More boom
            Less drag
            Same boom but longer

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If you look up a cross section of the 120 you can see that a little less than half of it is electronics, so considering how much smaller and lighter electronics can be now vs when the 120 was designed, I’d speculate that they replaced them and filled the space that got freed up with more fuel.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I've heard rumors it's a two stage missile, that would rapidly reduce the speed loss in course corrections

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            higher energy propellant, lighter construction, better aerodynamics (from better electronics letting you make a smaller missile). it's the same answer as to why US ICBMs were always smaller than Soviet.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        from the page you linked
        >In June 2015, Rafael confirmed the existence of the I-Derby-ER, an extended range version of the Derby that increases range to 54 nmi (62 mi; 100 km)
        you mong

        https://i.imgur.com/NEHKinW.jpeg

        >Almost no IR missiles have a range further than that.

        if you weren't moronic you could've chosen the R-27ET

        Does a dual mode seeker sounds new to you?

        it's IR only during terminal guidance

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          So is virtually any HOBS or datalinked IR missile
          LOBL is no longer necessary

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            you're moving the goalpost
            it's primary radar missile and you're comparing it with a fox-2

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Also china is already ahead of you. The missile is in response to chinese pl-15

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >pl15
        You mean a glorified Phoenix? Those aren't a threat to a competent pilot in a good aircraft. Oh, wait China doesn't have either of those things.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Thinking long range missiles are just short range missiles but with a bigger fuel tank
        Chang, that missile wont even hit the same zipcode as its target, its gonna get juggled by fricking tankers or fall out of the sky because it hit turbulance on its way

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Japan might buy them, the AAM-4 is too large to fit in the F-35's internal bays. iirc they've been trying to rig its seeker onto a Meteor body, but that seems like a stopgap solution at best.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Pretty sure the JNAAM project is done for because there was a conflict between the UK and France so the French pulled out or something
      japs are making a new missile now

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, France got upset about the UK sharing access to Meteor technology with Japan after they fell out with Japan over Nissan and the French CEO's attempt to steal electric car technology to benefit the French car industry, and frog spies smuggling him out of the country when he got caught.
        So they started hiking the price for various French subsystems on Meteor up for the Japanese if they wanted to use them in JNAAM. To the point it became cheaper for the Japanese to develop an entirely new missile.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Meteor is an MBDA UK product. The way MBDA is set up means that France has zero ability to stop it being developed further.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, France got upset about the UK sharing access to Meteor technology with Japan after they fell out with Japan over Nissan and the French CEO's attempt to steal electric car technology to benefit the French car industry, and frog spies smuggling him out of the country when he got caught.
        So they started hiking the price for various French subsystems on Meteor up for the Japanese if they wanted to use them in JNAAM. To the point it became cheaper for the Japanese to develop an entirely new missile.

        Didn't know that, but it still seems more economical to just buy AIM-260s, would likely be cheaper than paying for development for a missile that would almost certainly have pretty low production numbers relative to other projects around the world, and not be integrated into the F-35 software to start with.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    NOBODY knows FRICK all about this missile. NOTHING. It’s top secret. All anyone knows is that is a follow-on to AIM-120 meant for fit in with the NGAD program. It could literally have the same range as the AIM-120 as far anyone knows, PERIOD.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Who do you think is going to be the first foreign operator?
    Nobody. Meteor wipes the floor with that amerifat junk.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So just increased range and in theory better tracking? Just like every other missile upgrade?

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Australia is going to be the first export user

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