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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Can't abandon something that it doesn't exist

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    ah so this is why I keep seeing images of destroyed Abrams from the ukraine desert, 2004

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I think Russia has realized that their idea of converting to a high quality professional army is stupid and the USSR did the mobik army with a gazillion shitty tanks for a reason. Russia will never have the ability to mass produce NATO quality aircraft and vehicles in any high numbers.

    We're probably going to see the T-series keep being produced for a looooooooong time

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Russia doesn't have the ability to produce any tanks in large numbers. The USSR relied on all kts satellite states to produce its vast arsenal and it crippled itself into collapse by doing so.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >The USSR relied on all kts satellite states to produce its vast arsenal
        What a ridiculous statement

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          prove him wrong

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Explain, please

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          What's to explain? Like a ton of USSR MIC stuff was done outside russia proper.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        They don't have Lend-Lease anymore, either.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >and it crippled itself into collapse by doing so.
        christ you're right. and they're burning through all that now.

        Russia is fricked. They either give up and go NATO after this or become China's slave state

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Russia doesn't have the ability to produce any tanks in large numbers. The USSR relied on all kts satellite states to produce its vast arsenal and it crippled itself into collapse by doing so.
        Like how we sent too much strategic manufacturing to third world countries and China.

        >and it crippled itself into collapse by doing so.
        christ you're right. and they're burning through all that now.

        Russia is fricked. They either give up and go NATO after this or become China's slave state

        >>and it crippled itself into collapse by doing so.
        >christ you're right. and they're burning through all that now.
        >Russia is fricked. They either give up and go NATO after this or become China's slave state

        If they were smart, Russia would realize it's the new third world and would play the new powers of NATO and China off one another to gain wealth like Latin American dictators did.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Like how we sent too much strategic manufacturing to third world countries and China.
          >WE SENT
          >WE
          WE didnt send anything anywhere, greedy bllionaires did due to low cost labor in those 3rd world shitholes. But i agree, WE need those manufactures back.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >crippled itself into collapse
        no that was the in built ethnic strife as the open air prison only functioned with terror and repression keeping the inmates down. Why is this such a hard concept to grasp for westerners. Economy being shit was just the usual in russki mir

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      > the USSR did the mobik army with a gazillion shitty tanks for a reason
      Russia doesn't have the industrial capacity or the manpower that it did under the Soviet Union

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      > the USSR did the mobik army with a gazillion shitty tanks for a reason
      Russia doesn't have the industrial capacity or the manpower that it did under the Soviet Union

      Russia doesn't have the ability to produce any tanks in large numbers. The USSR relied on all kts satellite states to produce its vast arsenal and it crippled itself into collapse by doing so.

      Russia was the single largest recipient of lend-lease. even at their "peak" they couldn't match American production

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Fake, UK received more. Holy shit this board is pathetic butthurt

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Fake, UK received more. Holy shit this board is pathetic butthurt

          By tonnage, dollar value, munitions or total vehicular units shipped? These are different measures.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >that pic
            kek.

            2017 6ix9ine was an absolute phenomenon.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >ESL seething as he can't disprove shit

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >I think Russia has realized that their idea of converting to a high quality professional army is stupid and the USSR did the mobik army with a gazillion shitty tanks for a reason
      Russia can't do the mobik army with a gazillion shitty tanks either anymore. They are genuinely Nigeria-tier now.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >They are genuinely Nigeria-tier now.
        The comparison's unfair to Nigeria at this point

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >the USSR did the mobik army with a gazillion shitty tanks for a reason
      Yes, because the quality of their soldiers was eternally shit and better gear would be wasted on them.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They can't even mobik. In a recent Bradley video, there's an old, fat middle aged dad crawling on the ground dying from massive bleeding. I felt a twinge of sadness that some doughy dad is being forced to die for Putin instead of drinking vodka after work at the factory.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >doughy dad
        They just upped reservist recruitment age to 65.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >to 65.
          Grim, most men in russia don't even live up to that age

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Oh, it gets better. It's 70 for reserve officers now.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              At that point they're just trolling.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Russia has less industrial capability than fricking Mexico.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        do we have gross stats to compare? dont feel like slogging through data myself

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I don't know many but the economy of Mexico is expected to surpass the economy of Russia by the end of this year. A lot of Russian economy "growth" is also believed to be faked data.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Canada has a bigger economy than Russia
            So they’re losing to the Anglo equivalent of their state with 100 million less people and half as much oil production. To be a Puccian is to suffer.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        A bunch of the world's largest automakers built factories in Mexico. That's probably the main reason it's so high on there

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >We're probably going to see the T-series keep being produced for a looooooooong time
      The T-34 maybe

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Russia actually scrapped or donated all of them. There is some in museums and as WWII memorials but they had to go as far as importing CZECH MADE T-34s from Laos for their victory day parade.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The soviets built tanks at the cost of the average citizen having to wait 10 years for a shit box made of cardboard.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        A proud tradition that they seem determined to keep.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >The soviets built tanks at the cost of the average citizen having to wait 10 years for a shit box made of cardboard.
        The soviets built tanks at the cost of the average citizen having to wait 10 years for a FREE shit box made of cardboard.
        How long american citizen has to wait for his FREE housing? Thought so.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >FREE shit box made of cardboard
          Soviet citizens had to pay for cars you fricking pleb. The most basic of cars cost about the same as the median annual salary. Fricking have a nice day, turdy, commie shill.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Soviet citizens had to pay for cars you fricking pleb.
            My bad, i thought you were talking about housing

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Housing wasn't free either, though?
              You got on a waiting list and then if you git lucky and got a spot, you moved into a flat that you either rented or paid installments on.
              Why do westerners think people just got shit handed to them in the USSR lmao

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >westerners
                >thinks shitbox means "house" not "car"
                nah

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >what is section 8

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      T-24 soon.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >"I want to tell you what, from the Russian point of view, the president and the United States have done for victory in this war," Stalin said. "The most important things in this war are the machines.... The United States is a country of machines. Without the machines we received through Lend-Lease, we would have lost the war."
      - Stalin
      >"If the United States had not helped us, we would not have won the war," he wrote in his memoirs. "One-on-one against Hitler's Germany, we would not have withstood its onslaught and would have lost the war. No one talks about this officially, and Stalin never, I think, left any written traces of his opinion, but I can say that he expressed this view several times in conversations with me."
      - Khrushchev
      >"People say that the allies didn't help us. But it cannot be denied that the Americans sent us materiel without which we could not have formed our reserves or continued the war. The Americans provided vital explosives and gunpowder. And how much steel! Could we really have set up the production of our tanks without American steel? And now they are saying that we had plenty of everything on our own."
      - Zhukov

      They literally were only capable of pumping out a gazillion shitty tanks because the U.S. gave them the steel and built them the factories.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I love getting any chance to post this picture

        America and Britain literally supplied Russia with the MAJORITY of the equipment the Soviets used in WW2.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >4%
          >majority
          You don't work in fintech, hopefully?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Next time post this one.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            https://i.imgur.com/EI70iCO.jpg

            I love getting any chance to post this picture

            America and Britain literally supplied Russia with the MAJORITY of the equipment the Soviets used in WW2.

            My bad, thought it was a larger size. It's just a smaller file size. Nvm, disregard I suck wieners.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      How many tanks per month could the Soviet Union of 1975 produce if the country were on a total war footing? The Russian Federation of today is able to produce 250 tanks per month, though something like 80% of those are re-activations from storage, leaving 50 new tanks manufactured per month or 600 per year. During WWII (at least, the phase that the Soviet Union was fighting Germany), the Soviet Union produced around 3,000 tanks per month and 36,000 per year.
      What do you reckon they could have produced on a similar total war footing in the mid-1970s?

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    clickbait title

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >The head of the Russian defense conglomerate Rostec, Sergey Chemezov, confirmed that the state-of-the-art Russian tank, the T-14 “Armata,” is not being deployed in the war in Ukraine, which the Kremlin has labeled a “special military operation.”

      >Chemezov attributed this decision to the tank’s exorbitant cost, indicating that the military is opting for the more economical T-90 tanks instead. He underscored the prohibitive expense of the Armata as a deterrent to its immediate deployment, stressing the need for funds to develop newer and more cost-effective tank models.

      >“In terms of its functionality, it certainly surpasses existing tanks, but it’s too expensive, so the army is unlikely to use it now. It’s easier for them to buy the same T-90s,” Chemezov said.

      >Despite this, Chemezov confirmed that the T-14 “Armata” remains part of the Russian Army’s arsenal.

      Yeah, they didn't say anything about the tank officially being canned. I feel like if you read behind the lines that's what they're saying but Im obviously biased

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >1 western tank abandoned is a tragedy
    >entire tank manufacturing program abandoned is just a statistic

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >T-14 manufacturing program
      A dozen tanks built
      Thirty multimillion yachts bought
      Lol

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Have they ever made any actual series production tier T-14 Armatas? Or were they all basically hand-crafted proof-of-concept samples?

    [...]

    kek

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      More like t72 body kits anon

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      they might have built about 20 vehicles, there are hulls like that half finished one in the above pic, but not much more than 20 completed working machines.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Or were they all basically hand-crafted proof-of-concept samples?
      Yes. Hand-built prototypes to run tests and show on parades.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Tout your newest MBT as an ultimate weapon that will wipe the floor with the competition for over a decade
    >Optimal propaganda stats AT BEST put it on even footing with MBT models produced in the late 90s
    >Never sell a single unit, never produce more than a handful of prototypes
    >Finally shelve the project entirely because producing a tank that's at best 20+ years outdated is considered utterly financially unviable
    >You are a "superpower" at war with one of the poorest European countries
    And thus it joins the AN-94 and AEK-971 as "somewhat neat and weird shit """adopted""" by Russians and then memoryholed outside video games"

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >AN-94 and AEK-971
      qrd on those?
      is it also because the russians are too moronic, corrupt and poor to go into modern weaponry?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >"We need replacement for AK-74"
        >Produce odd, mechanically complex rifles with unique, somewhat impressive feature (AN has superfast 2-round burst, AEK has high rate of fire with little recoil)
        >Top brass immediately goes on to officially adopt it
        >Gets included with a ton of "Russia Stronk" propaganda
        >Bunch get produced and distributed
        >Production gets axed soon after because the quirky complex gun costs far more to produce than a normal AK-74
        >Despite being "adopted", real-life spottings of them are rare since they don't get issued
        >Russia goes back to only issuing AKs
        >Only time these guns are discussed is when they show up in video games (cause they have odd features that add variety to gameplay)

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >"We need replacement for AK-74"
        >Produce odd, mechanically complex rifles with unique, somewhat impressive feature (AN has superfast 2-round burst, AEK has high rate of fire with little recoil)
        >Top brass immediately goes on to officially adopt it
        >Gets included with a ton of "Russia Stronk" propaganda
        >Bunch get produced and distributed
        >Production gets axed soon after because the quirky complex gun costs far more to produce than a normal AK-74
        >Despite being "adopted", real-life spottings of them are rare since they don't get issued
        >Russia goes back to only issuing AKs
        >Only time these guns are discussed is when they show up in video games (cause they have odd features that add variety to gameplay)

        The foreign markets have an effect too. The Soviet Union cornered the market on selling weapons to shithole counties, but after the 90s Russia was poor as shit and was just selling leftover Soviet stock. The shithole countries are still perfectly happy using 70 year old Soviet garbage, and the likes of India and China generally only want to sign less lucrative licencing deals to build shit themselves - so Russia is denied any economy of scale that might actually allow them to shoulder the cost of having more modern equipment.
        Same deal applies to infantry weapons, T-14, SU-57 or the old classic "we can't afford bandages so just get your wife's tampons and shove it in the bullet hole".

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        dunno about the AEK, but the Abakan is the Russian G11: it's impressive on a technical elvel, but unfit for mass production because it's expensive to make and the pros don't outweigh the cost

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You are a moron anon.
          It's impressive as a concept on paper.
          In reality material science is lacking, at least in russia, to make it work for more than short demo videos.
          The steel wire snaps, and the BCG trout leaps straight into the user's face, leaving him toothless or eyeless.
          All the field test groups had these frickers taped shut after the 1st few incidents and once the tests were over they were shelved.
          Not a single unit, no matter how well funded/specialized/exclusive doesn't use them. Not even for short, niche, operations.
          Unless ofc you have any video of an abakan being operated outside of a range by an actual soldier doing something other reviewing it.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >The steel wire snaps, and the BCG trout leaps straight into the user's face, leaving him toothless or eyeless.
            NTA but that's new to me. i seriously thought it was simply too expensive and complicated to use them

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Nah you'd have seen them in the hands of Alpha or some shit, had they actually worked. People made guns from literal gold and encrusted them in diamonds.
              What cost be prohibitive enough to refuse the production of some 10k for internal affairs and spetsnaz units?
              Complexity is also a non-argument. You can argue complexity when something is possible in theory but making it a reality is too complex. Once you have working units complexity of production is not an excuse. Ferrari were hand crafting cars for decades, making things far more complex than weights and and steel wires running up and down a tube.
              And yet there are more Ferraris than Abakans. Orders of magnitude more.
              >inb4 Ferrari is for profit etc'
              They were operating at a loss for half of Enzo's life and russia could sell and export Abakans.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >russia could sell and export Abakans
                To whom?
                It's one thing to adopt your own pet project because it's yours and you like it, it's another to sell it to people who can't afford it and would rather just get more AKs.
                Also, you are conflating serial production and craft production. For small production runs, like a prototype batch, you can use costly and time consuming means to make the prototypes and still do it reasonably cheap because the volume is low and you use more generic tooling rather than investing on a production line and specific tooling.
                The moment to ask for series production, now you have an entire engineering project where you look at every part and decide which manufacturing method is used, and even possibly have to change its geometry just so that it doesn't cause a conflict with the process, you decide what is done manually, with a jig assisting or on CNC machine, etc. order of operations, so by the time you are ordering machines and setting them up in a factory floor you're already several million in the hole.
                Ferrari only broke the three digits of cars sold after a decade of operation. Just to put things into perspective.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                1. They didn't have to retool a factory for a relatively small batch that would still allow the actual exploitation of the gun by select units.
                2. Ferrari still made more cars by hand than russia made Abakans by hand. I am not wring.
                Also are you seriously arguing that they have the same scale of operation opportunities? A nation of slaves vs little old Enzo.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >It’s a production cost issue that will most likely be addressed in the next year
                It's not and it won't.
                The tank itself suffers from reliability issues and to address cost issues they would need foreign sales.
                >or else we’ll start seeing engineering suicide out of hotel windows.
                No, you won't, because there isn't any actual pressing need for a new tank model. Yeah it's embarrassing that Russia hyped up all these wonderwaffles for over a decade and now they're a no-show, but they have a multitude of copes to handle that. However, if you for example sold 50 T-62s to some African country while nobody was looking, that's actually something that affects the war.

                Bruh, it got fricked over the 90s, it was developed pretty much when USSR fell. They've barely managed to get it into service and produced small series of them from 1998 to 2008 specifically for special forces and such.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            it is 100% being issued, its maybe rare as frick but still. how am i so sure? the car trunk pic from 2022 or 2023

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              It was produced for a frickin' decade, even if in small numbers, of course it was used. Anon doesn't know what he's saying.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              That may (!) be one (1) seen in the wild for the 1st (!) time. Definitely not proof of them being actually issued to units for active use in service.
              It could be some similar looking civilian stock, a Black person rigged solution, or a simple personal request / stolen / purchased by greasing the right hand.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                they were issued to recon units during internal conflict in chechenia, they were also used in georgia again only by recon units.
                it's not an "issued" weapon in the sense that all troops can have it, but everyone that looked at the history of that gun know that it is only used by special forces or internal security forces and again, just like western SF they decide what to pick to fullfill the mission, that also include some jank modified weapon like a dragunov SBR with a 20 rounds magazine

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            No, anon, it isn't. I never implied it to be. It's a t72 with a boob job.
            >we're not talking aircrafts
            No you were talking about a time frame. In that time frame something good must happen to allow russia to mass produce, train crews, and field these obsolete vaporwave shitcans.
            All I am asking is what is that you think will happen that will mitigate the export ban, the new capabilities UA will have (and use against russian ones thus impeding them), and the upcoming societal unrest.

            No, anon, it isn't. I never implied it to be. It's a t72 with a boob job.
            >we're not talking aircrafts
            No you were talking about a time frame. In that time frame something good must happen to allow russia to mass produce, train crews, and field these obsolete vaporwave shitcans.
            All I am asking is what is that you think will happen that will mitigate the export ban, the new capabilities UA will have (and use against russian ones thus impeding them), and the upcoming societal unrest.

            Anon's wrong; some gangsters swiss-cheesed a rapper two years ago with these. I am guessing the dealer showed them what he had and they chose the most expensive one.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Abakan is the Russian G11
          No. Both AEK and AN are good rifles with valid improvements. It's just back when they were designed russian didn't have money to field them in any sort of mass numbers, hence it was done only in small amounts for special forces and such.
          Similar issue fricked the AK-12 project: initially there were a ton of improvements planned, but once they've ran the numbers they decided that it's too expensive to field them in mass numbers, hence they've gimped the final product to be a Black person-tuned variant of the regular AK-74.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah but it was fricking sick in OGSE until you get the AR because the burst was basically mandatory to hit anything at slightly longer ranges quick enough to down it before it gets you.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The AEK-971 was fun to use in Bad Company 2.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Off topic but goddamn does the AEK piss me off. In BFBC2, BF3 and even BF4 to an extent the AEK was so OP
        >inb4 skill issue

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >And thus it joins the AN-94 and AEK-971 as "somewhat neat and weird shit """adopted""" by Russians and then memoryholed outside video games"
      For firearms, it's more like a few hundred or so get made, they're 'officially adopted' by some Russian alphabet agency, then the entire production run gathers dust in some armory while technically being 'in service'.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >russia's industry is booming
    haven't heard of any booms in the last few days but overall you're right, shit's on fire

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      True, the growth of Russian industry has been nothing short of explosive this past year or two.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If they actually abandon the T-14 thats probably it for Russia ever making a completely new tank. The F-35 program went fricking so much over time and budget but at least we powered through and now the US can make one for only like $85 million which pretty similar to the cost of a new F-15.

    Russia has poured so much time and money into this program and actually dropping it keep making T-90 is wew... I guess they're actually subscribed to the whole "tanks are obsolete cause drones" thing people are saying

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      unbeliveable cope.
      Nope, they are not making a new tank from scratch. This WAS their new tank from scratch! And that was too much for them.

      The money was embezzled and spent on making a wunderwaffe that they couldn't even get working in parades. No, they are not going to "tanks are obsolete" either, they are more than happy taking any fricking T-54 they have mothballed and pushing it to the field without even modernizing it.

      Because that is the only thing they can do. The only thing they are capable of doing anymore.

      Behold! The Emperor has no clothes!

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It wasn't from scratch.
        It's yet another t72.
        They just thought t72 is like Goku. That it can surpass its limits again and again by changing hairstyle.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >embezzled
        the frick you talking about? clearly Russia is building a civilian camouflaged navy.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        this cant be fricking real

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Mussolini / Mazzolini
          Hitler / Himmler

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Who names a fricking boat "A"?

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    A little too on the nose, shows promise, 7/10 for effort.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Will we ever actually get to see the inside of one? Or is this a Big Zam sort of situation where they're going to claim it was the best tank ever and "VGH IF ONLY WE COULD HAVE MASS PRODUCED IT"

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Even Wikipedia is on damage control.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Didn't they just say they were deploying Armata to Ukraine, like, last week?

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    someone needs to update the image

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    oh it's booming alright

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      CARLOS!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This is a bad Carlospost. It's actually a good joke.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It gets tiresome explaining basic things to morons. The Russian army obviously didn’t like the Armata for whatever reason so didn’t acquire them. The industry and government are related, however, so they picked up a few for parades and testing while pretending to order them to entice foreign buyers. No one is going to buy a new Russian tank the Russians themselves don’t want. So when some media figure asks about where the Armatas are at, there being a war, the company still can’t tell the truth ("it didn’t fit the needs of the MoD") and instead trot out the usual excuse, too little money and the T-90 is still the best tank anyway so no need to upgrade. Because if they ever admit that the Armata doesn’t work or is sub-par somehow then they’ll never get a foreign buyer and there never get the investment needed to fix it to a state that the MoD may actually want to buy.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >So when some media figure asks about where the Armatas are at, there being a war, the company still can’t tell the truth ("it didn’t fit the budget of the MoD")
      Fixed

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Bruh, there are literally just 2, okay 2.5 reasons why Armata failed:
      - it has deep technical issues which are too expensive to fix, because it would require a ton of R&D or redesigning the whole thing (yes, engine and transmission);
      - russia as country and their MIC doesn't have the resources to actually mass-produce the damn thing, the whole program (Armata isn't just T-14, it's a whole family of shit) was dreamed up back in the days where russia had more and more free money from oil export every year, they expected oil to go over $200 per barrel, so they'd though they'd have money for this, but it never materialized;
      - a smaller issue is that it was dreamed up during the Serdykov years who was doing reforms in the russian MoD, including those with procurement and MIC (it had notorious issues, and Serdykov being a man from outside the system was keep on fixing it), a part of that was opting to purchase foreign stuff both for components and actual readily produced stuff (the most famous contract was for Mistral helicopter carriers from France), as to stop making old shit and light a fire under the local MIC's ass - well, that was a good idea, but only in a pre-2014 and pre-2022 world, where sanctions did a one-two punch in terms of sales of military stuff (not everything was blocked, but still it created issues);

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Westoids don't understand that needs and doctrine shift, Russia knew that modern war didn't need over engineered tanks. This inflexible way of thinking will be NATO's downfall. Cheaper survivable tanks are the way forward.

    • 1 month ago
      John Chonkin-Jones PeaceToWorld

      >survivable
      We're not talking Russian tanks here, are we?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >survivable

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        This is just more proof that turret tosses don't always happen when the autoloading system gets hit on the T-62/T-72 chassis and that there is a chance for crew survival.
        As usual, western-NATO assets always lie through their teeth using ISIS-American disinformation to trick gullible and honest Russians on the internet.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >turret tosses don't always happen
          ...dude. The turret got flipped upside down.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Gon is asking for an ambulance.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You can see the dislodged turret of the T-90 in the video.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          yes this frame shows the state of art crew ejection (vaporization) system which increases surviability!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      One of the Armata's biggest selling points was supposed to be its improved survivability.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      THEN WHY DID THEY SPEND BILLIONS ON DESIGNING A WESTERN STYLE TANK TO REPLACE THEIR OBVIOUSLY OUTDATED TANK DESIGN YOU ABSOLUTE MONGELOID

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Armata was created for future professional Russian army. Not only tank itself is high tech it was planned that crew will be professionals and officers. Whom you wouldn't just trow at the enemy. But they have mostly mobiks and Armata has no place in such army. Also engine not fixed, no gear, no electronics and they haven't build factory for it. Russians build a factory but they didn't buy western tooling before sanctions kicked in.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I’ve read the article and the headline is misleading. They are saying it’s *still* too expensive to field. It’s a production cost issue that will most likely be addressed in the next year or else we’ll start seeing engineering suicide out of hotel windows.
    Careful with what you read.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      One year? Surely you mean 2 weeks, anon.
      On a more serious note what makes you believe that they will be able to produce them in a year?
      Will something happen during the russian crude export ban, UA fielding F16s (and the proprietary armaments), and the post-election mass mobilization that will enable them to magically start producing something they could not since 1980?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        T-14 isn’t a game changer, no tank is. Reducing production costs can occur in any timeframe, I just said a year because that’s more than enough time for a country to figure it out or scrap the project. The article implies that they are looking for solutions.
        >f-16
        We aren’t talking about aircraft.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          No, anon, it isn't. I never implied it to be. It's a t72 with a boob job.
          >we're not talking aircrafts
          No you were talking about a time frame. In that time frame something good must happen to allow russia to mass produce, train crews, and field these obsolete vaporwave shitcans.
          All I am asking is what is that you think will happen that will mitigate the export ban, the new capabilities UA will have (and use against russian ones thus impeding them), and the upcoming societal unrest.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          They've been trying to figure it out for a decade and have made no progress. What makes you think that
          >one more year
          will be enough, you dumb fricking moron?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Gon doesn't believe you.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >It’s a production cost issue that will most likely be addressed in the next year
      It's not and it won't.
      The tank itself suffers from reliability issues and to address cost issues they would need foreign sales.
      >or else we’ll start seeing engineering suicide out of hotel windows.
      No, you won't, because there isn't any actual pressing need for a new tank model. Yeah it's embarrassing that Russia hyped up all these wonderwaffles for over a decade and now they're a no-show, but they have a multitude of copes to handle that. However, if you for example sold 50 T-62s to some African country while nobody was looking, that's actually something that affects the war.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Russia is silly. Why don't they want 7 different tanks with parts from 15 different countries?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This. Deploying tanks from 70 years ago is far more prudent military policy and I'm not sure why /k/ struggles to understand this. As much as the T-14 would have served Russian propaganda aims, it simply isn't wise to focus on such a complex and pricey platform in the current war.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Gon is looking at you.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        While you are correct in this, the fact that you are correct int his is in and off itself a hilarious condemnation of just how much of a shitshow the self-declared SECOND ARMY IN THE WORLD actually is.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I made that silly shitpost to poke fun at the poster I was replying to, only to realize halfway through typing that I was right in a way that highlights the sobering state of the Russian armed forces.

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    LOL abandoning projects due to cost is such a uniquely russian thing

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I wonder what those projects were

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        01. Heat-seeking flamethrower.
        02. Meat-seeking missile.
        03. That Thing Which Was Not Meant to Be.
        04. Operation Blue Waffle
        05. Sharks with freakin' lasers coming out of their heads.
        06. Portable Penis Piston.
        07. The X-F 112 Rectum Destroyer.
        08. Replacement for the X-F 112 Rectum Destroyer.
        09. The weird thing that goes Bweeeep.
        10. Beth from Above
        11. This shit a general thought up while high on Ketamine.
        12. Elden Ring Boss but disguised as Marine Drill Sergeant.
        13. Wave Motion Cannon.
        14. Some other gay anime shit, but like, the comically oversized sword version.
        15. A very, very expensive helicopter which was actually a slush fund for buying a really big yacht.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Beth from Above
          I can't help but picture a 6'3" big tiddy goth chick being airdropped directly onto my face.
          Whoever canned this project aughta be shot.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >a 6'3" big tiddy goth chick being airdropped directly onto my face
            Would.
            >Beth
            I can't recall ever meeting a goth chick that went by "Beth". The most common names seem to cluster around spices or semi-precious stones for some reason. ("Paprika", "Topaz", "Saffron", "Opal"...)

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >A militarized moon base
        >A goddamn Orion nuclear pulse propelled interplanetary battleship
        >Rocket guns
        >Powered exoskeletons for aircraft loading/maintenance
        >Nuclear ramjet cruise missiles that sprayed Cobalt 60 death over enemy territory in between nuke drops
        >Militarized space capsules (Blue Gemini, Salyut /Almaz)
        >Militarized space planes (DynaSoar, MiG-105)
        >HOTOL, NASP, and Saenger II spaceplanes
        >Caseless ammunition assault weapons

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I mean the US Army has repeatedly tried to replace the M-16 since the Airforce forced it on them.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      To put it into perspective, imagine the US spent shitloads of money bragging to the rest of the world that the Abrams was the best tank ever made, then spent even more shitloads of money on the tank, only to produce 21 of them, never send them into combat, then can the project altogether.
      T-14 wasn't just some skunkworks schizo trying to invert gravity and time, only to be told by management "no, we can't afford a project with 20 '0's in the budget plan for it, please come back to reality", it was Russia's primary modern MBT project.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      but you should have expensive projects that actually get finished too

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      no, but bragging about how great they are for years, failing to deliver any meaningful quantities, still literally parading them around the place, and then abandoning the project sure is :^)

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Tolerating semiconductor cargo cults like the ass end of Stalin & Mao's organized failed state crime syndicates shows the lack of strategic vision at play. Remove the threats, then we conquer the unlimited resources in space without having these nuclear monkeys on our backs.

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I thought op's pic looked familiar.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      My god it has been untouched for 3 years.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        3 years?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It really has, even the folds look almost exactly the same lmao

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      jesus christ

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I like how they installed those new stainless steel panels and machinery only in the angles that the first photo would show but the rest of the factory still looks outdated.

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why didn't they build the tanks before going full moron first in 2014 and then in 2021?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Everyone in the upper cabin of command needs a new yacht and a new house for the mother-in-law they have so much, you must understand.
      Everyone in the middle chain of command needs the oil, sandpaper and soap money for a new iPhone and pearl necklaces for wife and mother-in-law.
      Everyone in the bottom has to make due stealing the methanol to get drunk and when it's over they must resort to stealing the copper wiring, engine and transmission oil to buy more methanol.
      Surely you understand why they're a little over budget and behind schedule, comrade.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      2014 they were scrambling to keep the base in crimea because losing a warm water port would interfere with their cosplay as a world power. 2021 they really thought it would be a three day special operation with maybe some COIN stuff after.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It wasn't about Crimea, not only there was no danger of them losing the base there before they've chimped out, but they actually have a better port in Novorossiysk.
        Shitfest in 2014 was an attempt to capture Ukraine using mostly glowies, spetsnaz and proxy™ (not really) forces.
        It happened in Crimea, partially because of paralysis of Ukraine's government, partially due to western allies telling Ukraine to not do anything, hurr-durr we'll figure out stuff diplomatically. Then they've moved that to other regions, such as Odesa, Kharkiv, Donetsk, Luhansk and so on. But since there were no military bases in other regions and both the government and people on the ground understood what's happening it got squished, so they had to send in the "proxy forces" with Girkin&co. They got fricked even by the barely alive AFU with the help of some volunteer battalions, so they've send in the regulars in mass across the border and forced "minsk accords".

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Adding to that, they also felt backstabbed when ukraine gave shale fracking contracts to shell and chevron, not gazprom. It was both a "brotherly betrayal" and a threat to their energy monopoly on the EU. This is why they were chimping out at the prospect of ukraine-EU accession talks

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      1. The attack in 2014 was premature. They reacted on their patsy being removed from office and decided to go and try to capture shit easily, it didn't really work, but showed their hand.
      2. Russia doesn't produce real "new" tanks since 90s. They take old T-72s hull from storage and rebuild it with upgrades. That was the russian production for more than a decade.

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    That's what Russia gets for trying to skip steps in the tech tree. Now build this thing already homosexuals, it was the last good idea you ever had.

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Implessive

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    it seems that tanks should be lightweight and not over-engineered

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It should be the 8th time I read this, maybe it'll happen after Russian run out of ammo.

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >russia abandons armata
    smart move when you realize what war is, at the same time the degenerates in the US and Europe want leopard a10 and abrams X for 20 million apiece, with an order of several units per year.

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the entire problem with the Armata not the chassis per se but the engine? As in the engine was completely fricked and made the entire project of having a MBT, IFV and SPG using the chassis completely unlikely?

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    lmao at this point they might as well deploy the King Tigers they have at the tank museum.

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    People ITT are dunking on the Russians for this but it's actually a smart move and an exciting development: obviously they realized the Cuckmata would fare no better than the T-90s that are getting rekt by cheap drones, so we might see the first tank that is designed for drone warfare soon.

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