A Russian Telegram channel claims a HARM struck their Pantsir system. They claim the crew were knocked out and the radar dish was destroyed.
These things can't do shit against these missiles aimed for them, aren't they?
AGM-88 HARM continues to pound Russian AD
also this is the result of a HARM vs a Pantsir
just needs a coat of paint. she'll be right, mate.
The guys are a bit shell shocked, bit in 12 hours they will protect another important piece of sky
aren't they protecting the skies now? personally.
protection the entire zone miles around the car, everything is good
i was thinking personally patrolling the stratosphere, more like
These smoking-related accidents are really starting to get out of hand
I doubted you at first, but it turns out HARM has a 150lb warhead; GMLRS is only 200lb, and we've seen what it can do.
Guess it should have stayed out of HARM's way.
without warning in advance that missile is coming (basically need to detect launch) it's impossible for the crew to react fast enough.
russian AD forums have long effortposts about how the game is played tl;dr; they are not having a very good time
i'm not sure why people expected anything else from a country that claims to be high tech yet curiously lacks any relevant high tech consumer goods (smartphones, wifi dildos) production
>wifi dildos
Nyet, penis is fine.
>russian AD forums
Sauce?
it was revealed to me in a dream
Why has Russia both failed to develop a SEAD/DEAD strategy of its own and also failed to develop a counter to western SEAD/DEAD? It's not that they can't figure how or don't have the tech, they just haven't put in the effort to try. What were they thinking?
I mean it all really comes down to how poor Russia is. You can't have a Canada sized economy and a US level military. They are basically a third world military larping as a superpower. Like picrel but they actually got people to believe them.
They are running on the smaller than most people think, slowly depleting and rusted out stockpiles of the Soviet Union and i can't wait until it runs out.
I got a friend that said something like "Russian weapons have proven themselves superior anyway" when we were arguing about soviet vs american fighter planes.
When I asked "how?" he just got angry and we changed subjects
What the frick was he referring to?
World of Warplanes
Nothing, he's just emotionally invested and so he's saying whatever he needs to back up that feeling.
The rich part is that those guys in your pic aren't even a part of the Ghanan military, they're literally a part of a scam cult that exists to harass the government and extract money from it by being obtrusive and pretending to "invent" products so that they can get grants and shit.
Tell me more about this
>mark 1 Bauxiteman suites
Is this some kind of modern-day cargo cult?
https://jalopnik.com/the-living-apostle-who-sold-the-media-on-the-myth-of-g-1784458558
>slowly depleting and rusted out stockpiles of the Soviet Union and i can't wait until it runs out.
It seems that's China's play.
>let Mighty Russia use up their crap
>Russia is a wilderness with 2 cities and can't produce airsoft rifles much less military equipment.
>Putin: wta do?
>buy weapons from She
I love it when a plan comes together
chinks are already buying russian gas and oil at an insane discount, it seems more likely that rather than seeking sales they'd just get scraps of equipment to keep the vatnik slaves down north korea style while going around and taking anything as they please.
money, corruption, and overall industry.
Probably every department of their military is suffering from not-my-problemitis.
> also failed to develop a counter to western SEAD/DEAD
Because it’s actually really fricking hard without compromising your AD (which would achieve the S part)
morons keep memeing about the incapability, but the fact of the matter is they literally can't do it without starting WW3.
so you're saying that the only real capability pussia has is nooks? and even these are rusted shut
Case in point.
i accept your concession
Concession on what? Your moronation? Okay.
Concession of bana, of course. 2 more weeks before gloves are coming off, comrade.
>i accept your concession
I'm lurking quite often and see you doing that alone.
Strangely your acceptance of concessions often starts when you have no more arguments it seems.
You do know the difference between conceding and accepting concession?
I thought maybe it's a linguistic misunderstanding
pray tell us where did you see an argument. protip: xaxaxa pussia stronk 10 layers of gloves still on is not one.
back to /chug/, vatnik
Then explain to us what SEAD means.
you didn't answer my question vatBlack person cumslurper
The argument is Russia cannot do SEAD because it would mean attacking NATO members.
To which you hurp durp about nukes. You're the one with no argument dipshit.
What air defenses does NATO use to help Ukraine? How many layers of vatnik headcannon are on you right now?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-aircraft_warfare
Here, this should give you a clue you absolute imbecile.
What air defenses is NATO using in Ukraine, vatBlack person? Drop the cope and accept that you're a prostitute for an inept shithole with nothing of worth or value.
Air defences includes sensors you fricking moron.
Which means that not only are you completely ignorant in the subject matter, but you even lack the mental capacity required to come to a conclusion via independent thought processes.
Vatniks are the lowest scum of the earth, the only thing they can produce is lies, cope and idiocy, and you shit out all three. You are a worthless shill with no value behind anything you have done in your life. When you and your family get hanged during the inevitable time your shithole falls apart the only people that will remember you will be pleased by this realization.
Oh shit, realized your argument was moronic, did you? Have to start an insult tantrum like an impotent raging child now, eh?
you have no argument, you're just begging others to construct one for you, you evade answering like a slimy little shill you are and i regret than nobody can strangle you glavset drones soon enough.
russia is useless now, not because NATO is holding it back but because it's a corrupt and impotent shithole that can only lie and steal.
What am I evading answering? Is it the fact you're a butthurt Eastern Euro and can't comprehend simple English?
direct questions like what AA systems is NATO using in Ukraine. Why are you such a huge vatnik piece of shit?
Oh, so now you're trying to make a switch from air defense to AA systems?
To answer your moronation as plainly as possible, so that even YOU can underatand, SEAD means suppression of air defense. Air defense includes radars. Radars in Poland, Romania, Hungary, Black sea. All belonging to NATO countries. Does it need to be explained in more detail, or what?
yes, air defense systems, you insufferable moron. Name them. If russia in inept against basic early warning, which it is, then it never had any capabilities to begin with.
"Muh NATO systems" is not an answer, it's evading the question because you're an ignorant buffoon that only shits out thinly veiled "russia stronk" implications in hopes that someone will make your case for you.
The frick kind of illiteracy is this? I just told you radars in NATO countries.
Stop projecting and try to read, vatnik. What radars? name them.
Sky Sabres, Patriots, AWACS are all there. This is public knowledge available through a simple Google search.
How are they preventing russia from doing SEAD? None of them can guide missiles to a target. This is also public knowledge.
What's more, why is russia unable to do anything in, say, Sloviansk, a place hundreds of miles away from closest neutral airspace.
Answer this, vatBlack person.
Yeah, this is what happens when trying to explain simple concepts to butthurt Eastern Euros.
answer the question instead of projecting, vatBlack person. Where are the NATO patriots shooting preventing russian SEAD in Sloviansk? Are they in space? You claimed this is public knowledge found from google, so surely you can prove that since it's that easy.
I'll accept a video of you eating dog poop on cam instead of explanation if you cannot provide one as well.
There is nothing to answer, you simply have no understanding on what air defense is and what SEAD is. Thank you for showing us you're simply a butthurt tourist here to shit up the board.
Where are the patriots interfering with russian SEAD? Show me, vatBlack person. You made the claim, so prove it. Do you understand that claims require proofs?
https://www.armytimes.com/flashpoints/2022/03/09/two-army-patriot-missile-batteries-dispatched-to-poland/
Uh huh, so how are these batteries interfering with SEAD in Sloviansk? They are in Poland, not belarus, aren't they?
You're the one who keeps strawmanning about Slavyansk moron. Your goalpost shifting isn't working.
Yeah well, if you move goalposts, this happens.
What goalpost? Do you know what a strawman is, vatnik? Or are you just throwing buzzwords around now that you said so much stupid shit?
How would polish patriots interfere with russian SEAD if russian sead can never approach them.
Nobody said a specific region before, you strawmanning homosexual. God you fricking butthurt belters are the worst.
>Nobody said a specific region before
How is Patriot deterring vatniks SEAD when they never could even approach them?
>God you fricking butthurt belters are the worst.
It's a simple truth that the closer anyone is living to vatniks the more he hates them, because there's not a single redeemable thing about them, only lies, deceit and underhandedness. So who's the real butthurt belt?
Damn, US tech is so strong, two patriot batteries are enough to completely suppress entire russian airspace forces while being over 700km from the closest frontlines.
US-sama, i kneel.
>US-sama, i kneel
Rise my European friend
thank you for showing that you never had an argument, just like the original premise stated
back to /chug/ vatnik shitter
When did Ukraine get Patriots? Do you have proof of any such delivery? Or did you just lie and make shit up again?
>Is it the fact you're a butthurt Eastern Euro and can't comprehend simple English?
lmao, vatniks always project. No russian cum for you today, serb shill.
Even if Russia was clear to hit NATO assets they wouldn't be able to cross over Ukraine to even hit them.
noooo but muh S-690 with 99999 km range can see stealth that doesn't work and shoot it down in the factory! twitter lies! you're reddit.
Turns out the sanctions did work
There were no sanctions on Russia before 2008.
There were sanctions already after their invasion of Crimeia in 2014. Its part of why their reforms of the army were shutdown and their officers purged.
For me 2008 was before 2014.
I'm not sure if they even got sanctioned for the war against Georgia.
I misread before as since I'm stupid 🙂
they never had to
>It's not that they can't figure how or don't have the tech
it is. Russia has a miniscule military budget compared to NATO and virtually no high tech industry. they're larping as a military superpower, but the truth is they never managed to put anything new into mass production since the fall of the Soviet Union.
I dont think they ever really planned engaging west. Their idea seems to be nukes against ww3 and mainland danger, while military is more of a prison guard force to keep internal republics and vassal states in check. So they only strive to be strongest inregion, not globally.
oh, they planned to alright. it's just their plans were shit.
>my plan was calculated
>but man, am i shit at math
I wish they tried it. I'm nearly cooming if I think about the scenario where entire Guard Divisions being rape and wipe out in some German Forest like in September 9 AD
how does it flip
>Three of these Kids Belong Together
>Three of these Kids are Kind of the Same.
>But one of these Kids is Doing His Own Thing
>Now it’s time to play our game…
im thinking they hit a mine, every single wheel from one side is gone
hey, someone save my cap, even with the original filename!
Sauce? Would love to read more about combloc delusions
It's 7 days to the river Rhine. The thing is, the plan was to hit the rear NATO areas with tactical nukes, so the thing would probably not work just because the world might end right there.
The USSR's plans was always to use nukes like its a regular weapon. This is because without them their regular military performs like in this war.
>This is because without them their regular military performs like in this war
Beating the opposing party whilst having fewer numbers? Nice.
>Why has Russia both failed to develop a SEAD/DEAD strategy of its own
Not read the thread but Russia for a long time has been ahead pf the west in having dispersed radars, separate from TEL's. Radar gets knocked out, turn another one on, the missiles remain untouched.
In theory that sounds like it would work. But it didn't
HARMs were a surprise, an exploited surprise even (as many as possible fired on the first use) They are probably doing it now. By the end of the NATO campaign against Serbia the Serbians weren't losing many radars. Procedures, remote replaceable arrays, turning things on and off, rotating frequencies, etc.
by the end of the campaign serbs have all but given up on resting and shut down at the first sign of trouble, so as not to lose the few remaining assets they had left
ah right, thats why they hit 2 of the worlds most advanced stealth planes at the time
when will this gay fantasy end? SEAD is a meme. The thing the overcomes AD is MOAR firepower.
>the muh F-117 hit cope
you will never be albanian, serbcuck. your supply of russian cum will end just like vatnik dreams of any military capability or competence
cope? its documented historical fact
the documented fact is that the shotdown was caused by extreme complacency exhibited by the pilots and mission planners in the face of serbcuck ineptitude
cope. what about the second f117 hit?
cope about belgrade being bombed, you turkish rapebaby
seethe.
you will never be albanian
i hate serbs so much it's unreal
Based serbs
After years of chest beating about killing Muslim kids they want you to cheer on Muslims killing kids.
that's when you realize contrarianism is an easily subverted thing pushed on morons. It works because you only need to portray the "other" as being "the popular thing".
>Russia for a long time has been ahead pf the west in having dispersed radars
>Not read the thread
It's clear you don't read much, the USA neutralized Russian AD with dispersed units well prior to 1970.
See what you do is you let the shitty Russian missile actually launch at you, then you ride down the launch path and destroy the launcher while counter-measuring and running the missile out of fuel.
In an 'interceptor' called a 'Thud' which was renowned for being more uncomfortable than an F-4, which was renowned for proving that you can make a brick fly if you strap enough thrust to it.
Oh, and it also makes Americans the most Chad pilots of all time.
There's been a few good books on WW operations. I would highly suggest you read them.
>Russia for a long time has been ahead pf the west in having dispersed radars, separate from TEL's
who told you that? because this sounds absolutely fricking stupid
I seriously hope you don't think russia was the only country to disperse their aa, or even the first
The first part is just false. The second part is stupid. Radars are more expensive and importantly harder to get on location that missiles. If lol just turn on another radar is your strategy you will run out and be completely defenseless.
I tend to disagree anon. If Russians have proven one thing in this war, it's that they're pros at being DEAD.
Russia made the mistake of assuming that the Western air superiority model of air defence would be the only thing they'd face off against. They didn't expect to go up against someone as SAM heavy as themselves.
Also they're stupid and poor.
doubtful since patriot is still a widespread and capable long range air defence one can't just ignore a few long range systems that cover a large area of the front and force aircraft down into stinger range
russia got off very easy from the georgia invasion but no war is cheap and 2008 also had the global financial crisis that caused deep harm to the russian economy then oil prices rose and the economy was improving somewhat then oil prices fell, 2014 invasion happened, and sanctions precipitated a decline that has lasted until this year when it all got a lot worse, interestingly my russian friend mentions 2008 and not 2014 as the start of the decline which is sad considering they had the 1998 financial crisis only 10 years before that and the fall of the ussr only a little before that, keep in mind as well that a good russian economy mostly benefits the oligarchs so the russian people get a trickle of the highs and all of the lows from russia's corrupt resource-based economy
I'd say they are doing a good job at the DEAD strategy
you could say entire russian armed forces are dutifully dedicated to it
Pilots get 30 hours of stick time a year and their SEAD munitions are hardwired to only see NATO radar sets. They don't know how to SEAD and their munitions can't even see anything not made by the west. Russia is a complete shitshow
Russia isn't a real nation, more of a mafia state like Mexico. Basically gangster run the country not real statemen.
>It's not that they can't figure how or don't have the tech
It is
>just shellshocked
>returned to work under their own power
>everything is fine and dandy
kek
if russian AA is destroyed?
where is ukie air force?
perhaps russian AA is not destroyed
Ukie air force was destroyed day 1, remember?
>perhaps russian AA is not destroyed
Yes. No shit. SEAD is an undertaking of weeks. My expectations for Russia are pretty low, but Russian AA getting wiped off the board this fast would be an entirely new level of disappointment in the orcs.
>I dunno about "right wing" but the soviet union was indeed a deeply conservative institution, simply criticising its decisions or trying to suggest ways to improve it was considered downright immoral
Yes. We call this system "Communism". Oh, sure, in theory, Communism is supposed to be different, but when step 1 of creating your Communist shithole is "Seize all power", we both know every other step is bullshit meant to gather the useful idiots that are going to help you seize power.
They’ll never get all AD obviously considering most of the S-400 memes are based in what’s currently commonly recognised as sovereign Russian territory
>where is ukie air force?
In the US training with F16s
My dude where do you think the HARMs are coming from? Migs do the heavy lifting and open the door for TB-2 to get jiggy with it
>where is ukie air force?
Launching those HARm missiles.
ummmm, do you know how HARMs are launched?
Nobody wants to hear your incoherent Twitterbrained hot takes, Black person.
>Conservatism tells itself that any theory that denies its greatness is librul lies designed to make it feel bad, and so it religiously denies them so it can continue to feel it is great.
Guys got a point; you wanna sub fascist or authoritarian for conservative maybe, make yourself feel better. If that doesn't work fricking kys.
The problem existed under the USSr too and today's situation is only a carryover of USSR failures. Are you arguing that the Soviet Union was right-wing conservative?
>Are you arguing that the Soviet Union was right-wing conservative?
Deeply so.
>"Any theory that denies our greatness is capitalist lies designed to make us feel bad, and so we will religiously deny them so we can continue to feel we are great."
Reminder that you can be right-wing about anything.
>>"Any theory that denies our femaleness is terf lies designed to make us feel bad, and so we will religiously deny them so we can continue to feel we are women."
I can do that too
Yeah you are beginning to get it
Another interesting example of conservatism is Hollywood. While no one would argue that Hollywood is conservative in the American political sense, thier extreme overreliance on established intellectual properties and absolute refusal to accept criticism of thier mistakes betrays a deeply conservative mindset
I dunno about "right wing" but the soviet union was indeed a deeply conservative institution, simply criticising its decisions or trying to suggest ways to improve it was considered downright immoral
this is nonsensical. gtfo with you "not real gommunism", tankie
I didn't say anything about communism, but since you brought it up yes wanting to conserve the status quo within a communist state would indeed make you a conservative.
A communist conservative, to be specific
okay autist, get out and blow your head off
Just because you are unable to grasp a concept doesn't mean it doesn't exist anon
Conservatism and progressivism are not tied to a particular ideology or style of government, they are found everywhere and have been for all of human history
There were conservatives and progressives arguing with each other in the Roman senate, in the kingsmoots of Scandinavia and even the forbidden palace of imperial China
frick off, autismo, nobody cares about your idiotic semantics
Its not semantics, its basic politics
Your failure to understand this is a big part of why american politics became the shitfest it is today
it's your idiotic semantics, by either failing to understand or ignoring the context you come up with stupidity like "ussr and hollywood are conservative because they are closeminded therefore are right wing".
have a nice day, you waste of air and space. You are the shit that's clogging the pipes everywhere you appear.
I never said any of these groups were right wing you moron
My whole point is that conservatism is not an inherently right wing mindset.
Both conservative and progressive thinking can be found across all political ideologies and forms of government and has been for thousands of years
>>Are you arguing that the Soviet Union was right-wing conservative?
>Deeply so.
eat shit, moron
That wasn't me, that was some other poster
communism transformed the society completely, it's like peak progressive ideology. And while you're completely right about progressivism and conservatism being relative and not dependent on ideology, you should also then know conservatism has nothing to do with "right wing" while you conflate the two.
>Little b***h realizes there is more to politics than two parties
No I mean he’s not really wrong. Outside of the very early days of Lenin the Soviet Union never really experimented or changed up their theory of political power.
It was primarily concerned with the maintenance of the Party first and foremost, and the Leninist “democratic centralism” concept ended up calcifying the party and lead to many of their problems that started compounding in the 70’s.
In a sense of being a “dynamic” or “changing” society the Soviet Union was deeply conservative, and honestly by the 60’s in comparison to most liberal democracies could be pretty fairly categorized as being outwardly reactionary.
This isn’t saying they weren’t communist. But really, if you go back and read Marx, he’s sort of an arch-conservative in many aspects. His ideal political end state is basically just returning to small scale 17th century farming communities for the rest of history.
>but the soviet union was indeed a deeply conservative institution,
>pioneering alimony and no fault divorce
>deeply conservative
Back to the kitchen, roastie!
What the frick does that have to do with conservatism you moron
There hasn't been a single communist governmen that hasn't described itself as progressive, the whole point is to take humanity to the next final stage of historical developtment, you fricking idiot its impossible for it to be conservative. And lets not get into the fact that its basically deterministic meaning people's wishes and individual actions don't matter...
>neo-bolshevik puccia is conservatism
lmao deranged lefties
can't fool me, I still remember your long history sucking russian wiener and simping for putin before the orange man election
Aren't systems like Pantsir supposed to protect larger systems from anti-radiation missile attack?
Russian AA is "supposed" to do a lot of things we're finding it doesn't do in practice
Anon America has known it doesnt do those things for 30 years now, its just that we figured it was just the Iraqis
Can you link the telegram?
>Can you link the telegram?
Pic related
And I was honestly just asking for it, too
Oh well, just as the squeaky wheel gets the oil, the moronic take gets the (you)
Don’t feel bad anon, I’ve fallen for both Russian an ukie propaganda my self several times, at least you ask questions. You’re probably one of the smartest guys ITT.
And have a jahy opossum!
sauce telegram
https://t.me/voenacher/27156
It'll be worse when Ukrainians finally figure out how to reverse-engineer the HIMARS and make something that creates domestic jobs.
Think the Indigenous Fighter America helped make for Taiwan. Ukraine will make something not quite as good, but still pretty dangerous.
>reverse-engineer
>soon make copies
Yeah just like all those Russian made Javelin missiles that are supposedly now flooding the market. This reverse engineering bullcrap is the most inane "don't support them or you will regret it!" joke out of all of them.
The Taiwanese fighter is pretty shit though
Only a handful of nations can build good and cost effective jet engines
Taiwan really could not fight of a Chinese invasion we all know this
What it comes down to is if the us will come to their aid like ukraine
The Taiwan troops are already in better shape than the Ukrainians were when this started though. And invading Taiwan would be much much harder than invading a neighbouring country.
Russia is a commie shithole you moronic redditor
>Russia is communist
I knew you people were brain-dead but you really surprised me with that one lmao
You can be both communist and conservative, considering "conservative" is not a coherent political ideology, but merely a desire to preserve the status-quo. E.g. in the USA being a liberal makes you a conservative.
This gets even more confusing in the USA when you realise many "liberals" are actually anti-liberal socialists and many "conservatives" are extremely opposed to the status-quo of the past 100 years and want to see the country radically transformed.
holy frick, each time you communist homosexuals open your mouth you practically beg to be thrown out of a helicopter. Your arguments are 33% semantics, 33% gaslighting and 33% pilpul. And maybe 1% coherent thoughts.
Go leave and you won't have to engage in actual discussion of politics, and why communism and socialism are bad and so are you.
stop shitting up the thread with your useless drivel, tankie trash
homosexual Black person
It's almost like you missed the whole part where authoritarians ~110-120 years ago called themselves "Progressives", right up until WWI ended, at which point they called themselves "Liberals", until about 20 years ago, when they started calling themselves "Progressives" again. Yes, there's very little that's "progressive" or "liberal" about them, but those are the names that they successfully hid behind; trying to reclaim the old meaning of those words is confusing at best and disingenuous at worst.
If using their own terminology is too offensive to you, just call them what they are: "statist" or "authoritarian". But please stop trying to call them "conservative" just because they, as Erdogan once said, reached their stop and got off.
You're using political labels for attitudes that aren't political, only merely in support or against the status-quo of something or other, something extremely vague and simple.
Stop.
>Russians getting fricked by 1960s US tech in a war TODAY
Let that sink in
>1960s American Tech
The Ukrainians will soon make copies and pass it out like cheap candy.
Yes, and? Even if Ukraine wins this war and begins creating Great Value Javelins & HIMARS to sell to poorer countries everyone who matters either has the ability to counter them or have our backing to shitter shatter countries who would use them against countries we care about.
It's not even that complex of a system. Its just a light pole sized rocket that has modern GPS and INS tracking that has a 10m CEP. That's what the Smerch touts itself to be, but it falls short because of shit CEP.
That's why seeing assblasted vatniks seething at HIMARS is so funny. It's just a rocket with fricking GPS strapped on that actually works.
HARM is pretty complex as far as ARMs go. It can use plane's own RWR and EW systems and fly along programmed trajectories from that data. Later upgrades added a whole lot more stuff, including GPS guidance which greatly improved accuracy and ARH seeker for terminal guidance so even the shut down system cannot run away and so on.
Compared to that, Shrike was primitive, and Standard ARM was the first general purpose basic ARM. The latter, when detecting the signal with its own seeker would be launched and due to its own INS would continue to fly straight even if the radar was turned off. It would also have a memory chip that would remember the frequency that the radar worked on and pick it back up after it's turned on.
ow, and HARM can track frequency hopping radars as well, not being limited to old style radars that work on just one.
HARM has lots of secrets and tricks built in it and if russians hadn't managed to get technical data for it in the 80s(which they probably have, they were pretty successful at at) then it would be a pretty unpleasant intelligence breach if one would end up in russian hands now. Although considering russian tech, it's unlikely that they'd be able to do anything with it, just like they haven't since the 80s.
For some reason I thought I was in the HIMARS thread but yes still good post
The current modern day SEAD capabilities being used by the US have evolved way past the 1991 and 2003. Simply put the processors on the newer anti-radiation HARMs production lots are a lot better at dealing with spoofing and old school tactics.
modern day SEAD is much less about anti radiation missiles at all. TALDs were adopted shortly after HARMs and are used to bait and track enemy radar activity while also being recoverable, unlike anti radiation loitering munitions. EW systems do similar things along with their usual purpose of jamming shit. These have improved vastly today, especially with AESA radars being integrated into EW suite and being used for both intelligence gathering and jamming.
Not to mention another significant capability that's become available recently is ability to discern ground targets using radars with high resolution, not requiring any of the aforementioned systems at all because you can discern trucks from tanks from radar arrays now just via SAR map of the area. This was observed when testing F-35 as their usual decoys/radar stand-ins for excercises were being ignored as the system could discern them from the real thing. Once you've detected them, it's a matter of lobbing a single JDAM/GBU-39 at that target coordinates, just like you would attack a surface vessel at sea.
This is also very important for DEAD as normally non radiating things like launchers and command trucks can also be detected and tracked.
pic related: this is what F-35's radar sees and the onboard computer automatically analyses and classifies the targets based on the data. This is the data just for the radar, there are capabilities beyond it.
It see's this through trees and vegetation 🙂
Radar is not the only thing it uses, my dear ESL vatnik ;^)
Aren't TALDs used in conjunction with anti-rad missiles amongst other weapons? AFAIK they're intended to help saturate the enemy AIDS in order to improve the chances of your missiles making it through.
Yes, they are used to bait enemy radars into tracking them and attempting to destroy them, which may expose them not just through their search radar but also via targeting radar and missile launch. They track enemy radar activity and send the data back home, have their own self protection system and are also used for standoff jamming. They are also recoverable and can return into your territory once low on fuel or their mission is done.
They aren't really used for just saturating enemy air defenses before a strike because it's a rather inefficient use of them. Doing all that while also serving appearing as a regular aircraft to the enemy isn't exactly cheap.
>“Pass it out”
You seriously underestimate the level of corruption there. The ogliarch president is a billionaire, it’ll go toward a yacht to compliment his Miami mansion. Defense wasn’t a priority before, it won’t be in the future either.
>The ogliarch president is a billionaire
Proof?
That is pretty common knowledge. I mean you can Google his house
Zelensky isn't in your list though? Neither are Ukrainians...
>oligarchs in Russia
>where Ukrainians tho
learn to read
HARM entered service in the '80s, and the current model is only a decade old (with a new model under development right now).
>All that homosexual ass reaction flaire
All Russian soldiers could suck dick and it would be less gay than OP and this image
>Get SEAD'd
>Continue to transmit again so another gets hit
Lmao
So not only were that crew down for 12 hours, now they have to wonder when is the next time that is going to happen again.
During that 12 hours they of coursed bombed Saki airbase.
Harms are used only in the achievement of wider objectives
Is this officially Russias Vietnam? the number of parallels are crazy.
I'm not really seeing it. Vietnam was a defensive static operation against guerillas
Looks to me like it's Russia's WW1, but miniaturized
WW1 would have been kino with drone footage of 24-hour artillery bombardments and rolling mustard gas attacks.
WWI almost saw the first use of the cruise missile (literally a bomb with wings and a propeller strapped to it) and the first parachute assault was tentatively planned for Spring 1919.
>When the pine trees start singing Hej Sokoly
Vietnam was a talk in the park by comparison, this looks more like the Iran-Iraq war or WW1 on a smaller scale
Russia is approaching the US's casualty figures for Vietnam, and we were fighting there for 7 years, not 7 months.
The US has never had a war like this.
I have some magic beans for sale, if you're interested.
for a 140 million big country having to recruit in jails after 6 month of fighting...Doesn't sound like they have good enough track record of their losses
Cope
>Peak troop strength in Vietnam was 543,482, on 30 April 1969
At least twice the troop level too.
Hasn't the pentagon said they estimate 70 to 80k russian casualties? And thats not going the separatists and other non-official paramilitary forces.
casualties are not deaths, unfortunately
Russia had its Vietnam in Afghanistan and it was one of the main events that finally broke them.
I mean they are "winning" and Ukraine has no chance of re-taking the territory they lost so how is that a loss exactly?
is this the new cope? that mighty pussian advance has been completely stalled for months on end means pussia is winning?
These AD systems seriously need AESA or they’re always going to get smacked by HARMs. At least have an AESA somewhere feeding tracking data to launch units. Anything but sitting there with an old radar lighting itself up.
russians have developed their first AESA search radars with the NEBO-M complex, but these are optional addition and the basic system is still the same.
Moreso, old systems like S-300(and S-300PMU-4 aka S-400 is no exception) have an engagement radar that is needed to light up the target so the missile can see it, which is obviously detectable to the anti radiation missiles.
Google LPI radar. Modern AESAs (exotic materials, cutting edge CPUs and fully software-controlled antennae, etc) allow for a combination of several techniques which used together results in LPI (low probability of intercept). Meaning it’s unlikely for a RWR to pick up on the radar. Basically a stealth radar. If a plane-sized RWR can’t pick up those than the tiny antenna in a HARM stands no chance.
Google SARH missile engagement radar. It is required to guide the missile on target, and cannot be LPI. In fact, there are exactly 0 AESA engagement radars in existence.
>he doesn't know about AESA missile seekers
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Try to follow the conversation next time before chiming in, dumbass.
Well, to his point, even the USN is moving away from SARH; the SM-2 Blk IIIC will use the SM-6's AMRAAM-derived seeker, thus removing the need for illumination radars altogether.
The downside is, that makes the missiles themselves a lot more expensive, and Russia likes SARH or even just command-guidance in part because it puts the expensive, hard-to-build bits inside a non-expendable vehicle, keeping the price of the actual missiles down.
Yeah, the point was about russian systems, rather than future developments. That's why bringing up developments russia can only show as mockups was irrelevant.
Guys, I actually thought anti-radiation missiles were, like, anti-radiation. As in ionizing radiation, like a nuclear spill. I thought people were talking about them in light of news about the nuclear plant being attacked or whatever
God, I feel so moronic
Happens to the best of us
>AGM-88
>Designer: Texas Instrument
I thought they only make calculators
I found a Remington electric razor the other day, some of these companies really get around
They sold their military defense stuff to Raytheon a few years after the AGM-88 came out.
texas instruments was also responsible for the Tacit Rainbow, among other things. That missile was a complement/successor to the HARM and made soviets absolutely shit their pants when it first appeared, to the point that they started claiming that a 400 pound missile with a 20lb warhead is nuclear armed and therefore should be included in nuclear weapons limitation treaties. US finished their development but didn't produce them to not increase tensions with then hopefully non communist russians.
You could do SEAD with B-52s armed with these, with a single plane carrying 30 each.
A similar weapon was developed later by israel with their Harpy and its derivative Harop that did a number on russian air defense systems in the recent azerbaijan-armenian conflict.
not only in azerbaijan but also syria
they made the Javelin too btw
Why do you think those calculators cost so much and that every school requires them? Gotta fund R&D and production of these weapons somehow!
I got a digital wristwatch from the 1970s made byTexas Instruments. Remington was also well known for manufacturing typewriters.
They make microchips and microelectronics; heck, they *invented* the integrated circuit and the microcomputer (at about the same time as Intel, in a case of parallel development), as well as the transistor radio and the calculator. Calculators were just an easy way to make money off of simple chips back in the day; it may be difficult for folks born afterwards to understand just how big an impact they made. TI sold zillions, and they still sell the high-end graphing calculators used by college students today.
Oh, and a large chunk of Raytheon's military electronic products came from TI, which sold its entire defense-related business to them during the Peace Dividend years.
Them being MIC explains the hell out of those stupid calculators being so overpriced.
Nah, after you make an assembly line of something they get exponentially cheaper after you sell a ton of them.
PrepHole continues to be pounded by telegram and twitter screencap threads
Russia’s air defense was the only prestige they have left. The world will never see russia the same
>radar array
More like radar dis-array
How strong is the HARM warhead?
146 lbs of blast-fragmentation warhead, so assuming they're using some sort of higher end explosive it's around 250 lbs of boom
Fairly substantial, think it was in the 60-70kg range so you'd fricking know about it going off nearby
>Crew shell shocked
>
Warhead weight: 66 kg.
Type: WDU-21/B, WDU-37/B Annular Blast Fragmentation
The AGM-88A, and AGM-88B warhead section contains 25,000 pre-formed steel fragments, an explosive charge, a fuze, and a fuze booster. The AGM-88C utilizes an improved warhead section containing 12,845 tungsten fragments and an improved explosive charge which provides greater overall lethality.
https://man.fas.org/dod-101/sys/smart/agm-88.htm
from all the HARM videos I have seen the warhead detonates a meter or two from the radar/vehicle. I suspect that's to maximize fragmentation damage and enough force to knock the crew out
I was trying to point out the absurdity of the claim.
Radar and AA vehicles are soft-skinned, and will get deleted from such a warhead.
The crew won't just turn slightly yellow and get "shell shocked", but will fricking die instead.
Russian source post does not claim they've manned another Pantsyr. It literally says 'they've occupied another vehicle and continued sky observation ... like the heroes they are'.
Well, if the lids are not fully on, the claim is correct.
>occupied a hearse
>closed eyes turned towards the sky
>died too quick to shit themselves, awarded hero of russia medals posthumously for propaganda purposes
Like all lies, its good to work from a grain of truth.
>AGM-88 HARM
so that's going to be the CONSOOM weapon of the month for the normies?
two more weeks chug sisters!
people complained that war "gets stale", USA decided to spice thing up by giving new and exiting ways of killing Vatniks. why are you complaining?
>US is doing the Hunger Games thing where the game moderators start killiing people off and unleashing untold horrors whenever things get boring
uh, based?
>inb4 the biolab story wasn't bullshit but it was the wrong kind of bio weapon
But after Nemesis, what new weapon does the US send to Ukraine?
>what new weapon does the US send to Ukraine?
Semper Fi
>Turn Russian population into zombies
>Russia's standard of life starts increasing
>people turn up to work sober
>woah
>murder rate goes down
Still hoping we get a multi-launch of the Brimstone caught on camera
>tfw well never see the actual impact footage of a Neptune missile hitting the moskva
Yeah, first war in ages with actual big ships being sunk in anger by weapon systems directed on them was pretty neat.
We've seen some get holed, little missile boats getting shreked but actual cruisers and heavy landing vehicles getting sunk was a real novelty
Weren’t they orbiting the ship with a tb2? That footage may exist stashed somewhere…
it probably goes on the darknet for the price of like 200 russian sex slaves
Brimstone is an anti-armor missile, so that'll never happen. You need valid targets for that.
Yeah I know, just hoping we get some DIY Highway of Death action in Kherson
there won't be any Highway of Death in Kherson simply because there's nowhere to run on vehicle there, heavy equipment will get abandooooooooooned and boats will be stolen to cross the river
We got a Tesco's van test firing, and a few clips of them hitting tanks simultaneously.
That's all we're gonna get though, they're from the 80's they don't have onboard cams for feedback unfortunately.
Another pontoonering would be fine, they sort of have that little ferry they rigged up so hopefully there will be some aggregation of targets getting some 155 action
USA didn't decide anything spontaneously, they are quietly chugging along, giving out what they can as long as it doesn't reduce their own capabilities and adhering to a program that is already months old.
Just as a reminder - the program included aircraft and tanks in the 100s.
But I guess people will act surprised if Ukraine suddenly starts fielding old NATO tanks.
Russian AD is only good against passenger Boeings and the SEAD-less soviet junk jets.
/k/ I know that the F16s that Ukrainians are currently being trained on can perform SEAD roles, but what if the Air Force whips out its old mothballed F4Gs for use.... holy shit that would be some absolute KINO tier shit. Imagine a giant furball of Mig 29s, SU27s, F16s and F4s vs Russian dogshit. Holy shit thats some ace combat shit right there.
I wonder if they even have a significant enough supply of parts for this plane to service a modest sized fleet.
For now, western nations should find soviet shit so Ukrainians can have a quick air force expansion that doesn’t strain their frayed logistics.
I can't take the word Pantsir seriously. Like, all I can think of is the words pant sir and imagine some pajeet with pants on his head saying "I'm a pant sir". Then I think more and realize its probably in refrence to Panzers, but... its a fricking truck. This is like some LIDL off-brand but not even for the same item as the original.
change your pants, sir. the HARM has passed.
It's just retarted Russian linguistics.
It's bascially just the same root as panzer.
pantex-pancier-panzier-pantser-pantsir
Most likely propagando to show boomers at home "see? Amerikkans are in the war!"
How thedo you mount an agm on a sukhoi
Possibly moronic question, but where are they launching HARMs from? I was under the impression it was an A2G missile, are they sending up single wild wiesel equipped planes or is there another way to launch them?
nobody really knows
They launch them from Mig-29s and Su-27s.
They preprogram the missile and launch at the plane’s max altitude ceiling, where they either loiter or attack predetermined sites.
i thought the way harms work, is the host plane waits for suspicious radar signals. then it gets a "lock" on the signal, and they launch it.
anti-radiation missiles are devastating and crippling, the only counter is anti-missile tech.
>i thought the way harms work, is the host plane waits for suspicious radar signals. then it gets a "lock" on the signal, and they launch it.
You can use the plane's radar in tandem with the missile, or you could launch it at predetermined coordinates like a brimstone and let it search of it's own target.
>These things can't do shit against these missiles aimed for them, aren't they?
WTF does that even mean?
It means that air defense systems that meant to be able to detect and shoot down incoming missiles and protect themselves fail to do so.
The American owners decided that Zelensky the clown was too much of a clown and needed to be replaced. The main candidate is a clown's slave and commander of the AFU Zaluzhny. My spies believe that the replacement may happen before the end of the year and not on a voluntary basis for Zelensky. Probably a clown is being trained to become sacred heroes. Zaluzhny for president! Zaluzhny for president! Zaluzhny for president!
Ah-ha-ha-ha-ha..
p.s. I wonder if Zaluzhny will have to change his gender when he becomes president of Ukraine. Without this, he will not be accepted as one of his own in the West and will no longer throw handouts.
wrong thread, schizo anon. take meds and go leave