Link is in PT: https://veja.abril.com.br/coluna/radar/depois-de-veto-alemao-brasil-vai-produzir-pecas-do-blindado-guarani/
Was it really worth it for Germany? Losing a 1000+ backlog of sales because of Ukraine?
After German block, Brazil will replace the German parts for local ones
It would be really nice if Brazil sent weapons to Ukraine, but on the other hand, Scholz palyed "no, you go first" for an entire year after Ukraine asked for tanks, on top of dragging his feet for the first 2-3 months of the war, but now wants everyone to send weapons as soon as he gives the order.
Get Switzerland to allow the export of ammo for your own weapons then go pointing fingers at others lmao
>as soon as he gives the order.
He didn't order anyone, he just asked where all teh tanks that people allegedly wanted to send and needed German permission actually are.
Because right now it looks like there are a some Polish Leo2s which Ukrainians train on, and a company of German ones.
Everyone knew the Leo2 numbers were low, the obvious best choice would have been the Abrams. But the US just said 'lol no we must build export model first' instead of sending some of the 4000 they have in storage.
>nobody wants to waste western tanks on Ukraine
>this makes Scholz uniquely bad
Imagine being enough of an NPC to have fallen for that shitty twitter campaign.
lmao where is your free the leopard picture fag?
where is your foreskin abdul
hahahahahahahahahahaahah retard
>It would be really nice if Brazil sent weapons to Ukraine
Why? Fuck Ukraine,
Yes. Let the brownies figure out trnasmissions, I'm sure they'll make good ones in the future.
If they figured out Airplanes, guess transmissions aren't that hard.
ask the koreans
Brazil will be turning to Korea soon enough, just like Turkey. Any amount of positive results on the atlay transmission will guarantee a deal.
krauts seem to be too retarded to figure out that their government is their biggest enemy. it's funny reading krauts unironically shilling schoz as he is raping their MIC into the ground.
Germans are retarded and smug. They still think of themselves as the greatest engineers and the most morally righteous political actors. They are trapped in their fantasy as their state and credibility rots around them.
Germs will cope over this post btw
Post hand
He didn't mean ask the koreans for help
What he meant was ask the koreans how hard it is
Because even the sorks had/has issues with heavy transmissions
you're talking as if krauts built their heavy transmissions in a day or something. their development cycle just seems smoother than SK's because krauts were making transmissions from the very beginning.
it's all a matter of time and money. The more krauts act like complete gays, the more they push their customers to either develop their own tech or turn to other countries. Turkey is a prime example. krauts basically gift-wrapped Turkish contracts to the Koreans. And the way things look, Brazil will take a similar path.
South Korea has little experience with automotive manufacturing and heavy industry
>South Korea has little experience with automotive manufacturing and heavy industry
>South Korea
>little experience
You don't even know what you're talking about.
Heavy vehicle transmission are actually really hard to manufacture.
They already have a massive heavy vehicle manufacturing industry lmao
just licensed w/o technology transfer?
what companies are actually producing transmissions in Brazil?
Tell that to South Korea when it took them like 2 decades to build a 1500hp class transmission.
I don't get it. Cars have been around for 130 years, gearboxes aren't secret knowledge. Why do most countries find it nearly impossible to start making their own transmissions?
Gearboxes or gearing systems come in all kinds of variants. What makes sense and what is required differs greatly whether you're planning to move 2 tons or 20.
For heavier vehicles like tanks and IFVs the gearbox is usually bigger and more complex than engine.
if you are say, a backwater nation that has only ever produced civilian cars, and probably using a lot of liscened parts at that, it will take you a long time to get the requisite knowledge into your engineers/desingers/scientists/whatever the fuck becaue they have to learn everything the west already knows. it's why china is only now just getting to something approaching the wests tech level after decades of trying to catch up.
I once saw a pic of the inside of an automatic transmission from some 60s era Chrysler or something like that. That fucking thing was a genuine mechanical computer working with hydraulic fluid, a labyrinth with dozens of small channels and valves and openoiings. It was insane. Good luck figuring out something like that.
>openoiings
Vgh... the openoiings of the mechanical compvters of Chryslvr...
Forcing Brazilians to develop their own aircraft parts created Embraer which now is a rival to the Euros. Latin America largely doesn't have as many domestic industrial firms like Asia because they can just import stuff. Forcing them to innovate on their own creates competitors in the long term.
This may sound weird to you, but competition is actually good.
This is true for wheeled APCs/IFVs, MBTs and airliners. Or lovomotives. Or cars.
Reread what he wrote retard. Jesus fuck this board is room temperature IQ.
>Embraer which now is a rival to the Euros.
Guarani is a simple, lightweight and cheap APC; isn't not that hard to take a civilian truck's transmission and put it in.
Sounds petty and pointless tbh but whatever. Not like our military industry is lacking customers.
Good. A lesson for weapon suppliers that try to strongarm uninvolved parties into their local squabbles.
Low IQ move. The vehicle must have been designed with the parts in mind, or modified over a significant development period. You just can’t replace a German subsystem with one from a shithole and think it will work just as well and not cause all sorts of problems that will require a costly development program. Then the shithole’s political regime which doesn’t care about defense will balk at the cost increase over something they had to be fought for years to pay for to begin with.
As much as I find the move retarded, they do produce a shit ton of trucks and the like.
I mean, Agrale makes their own powertrains and MWM Brasil got bought by some Gaucho investors last year.
Both companies makes heavy duty utilitary vehicles.
The Mercedes trucks built in Brazil were also engineered locally by Brazilians too.
German army is going to buy a shit ton of new stuff from the German MIC.
German MIC doesn't need to rely on exports for at least a decade.
Brazil does produce engines, but idk about transmissions.
I guess they're pretty similar in terms of complexity.
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/germany-in-talks-to-buy-3b-of-australian-weaponry-20230305-p5cpfy
Australia is negotiating its most lucrative defence export deal, with the German army planning to buy hundreds of Queensland-made armoured vehicles as Berlin builds up its military in response to Russian aggression.
Talks over the deal, which could be worth up to $3 billion, are well advanced between the Australian and German governments, and are expected to support thousands of jobs in south-east Queensland and across the broader supply chain nationally.
The first of the Boxer Combat Reconnaissance Vehicles could be delivered to Germany next year.
The Boxers are made by German defence contractor Rheinmetall, which is already supplying 211 Boxer vehicles to the Australian army under a $4.3 billion contract.
But the prospective German contract could have an even bigger production run, with Berlin interested in acquiring several hundred vehicles as part of its €100 billion ($157 billion) spending spree on new weapons.
“The German government has now shared its intention with the Australian government to buy Australian-made Boxer CRVs for the German army,” German ambassador to Australia Markus Ederer told The Australian Financial Review in an exclusive interview.
iirc the reason for them buying from the Aussies is, that the Aussies will have the turreted version Factory up and running. the 211 number is for the heavy weapons carrier variant that the Germans want to supplement their troops with.
Yeah and because we don't have the capacity as orders are rolling in faster than we can deliver - so boxers from australia and Lynx t oaustralia - the deal is now finalized.
Guess who will be buying the Lynx?
Definitely not the ADF.
http://www.businesskorea.co.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=110461
imagine believing this dimwitted propaganda piece, but who cares - we already signed the deal 🙂
>propaganda
Geelong has wanted this so badly since the very start of the program. They're more than willing to adopt both vehicles just for the sake of the economy
>Rheinmetall lobbying
Brazil isn't fighting any war in the near or far future and the countries who will buy the Guarani aren't going to war either.
Germany just basically telegraphed that they're not selling shit to turd world countries unless Germany have something valuable to deal with them like the Saudis.
That's a retarded thing to do.
You're basically losing clients because of greed.
>Germany just basically telegraphed
Wrong
>falling for it
Common tourist L
I think EATON has a factory in Brazil, they'll probably get from them.
It's smiling 🙂
Pretty sure it’s because the Grüne classified the Philippines as dictatorship or some shit like that. As always the Grüne wants to represent their muslim voters since the Philippines use those vehicles to kill terrorists.
>muh dictatorship
Philippines is a turd world presidential republic who is an actual MDT ally of the United States, not just some weightless non-NATO designated ally given freely.
Tell that to the Grüne and their muslim voters. From the Philippines trying to kill "peaceful" muslim terrorists to the Grüne backing Pakis in Kashmir. Who do you think would benefit the most in Germany from more welfare or letting in 2015 tier swarms of muslims?
>As always the Grüne wants to represent their muslim voters
>Tell that to the Grüne and their muslim voters.
Muslims don't vote for them you retard.
Ok Achmed
yes it is worth it
The German government doesn't pay the price
Brazil can go fuck themselves if they want to sell German parts to countries meanwhile refusing to to sell other parts to German proxies
>cunt finally buys military equipment and not just US hand-me-downs or plain gibs
>Germany fucks it all up out of nowhere
>now about to receive inferior versions of the original
fucks it all up out of nowhere
See
Arms deals are 90% diplomacy and politics, Brazil tried to pretend otherwise and got the expected result.
>hey country that has nothing to do with a conflict, send weapons to said conflict pleae?
>country that has nothing to do with said conflict: No.
>Ok then, we will embargo this insignificant sale for yet another country that has nothing to do with this conflict, this will teach you.
And thus, South Korea/Turkey/China/Whatever other country that manufactures defense equipment wins another client.
I've read somewhere that argentina bought 100 of these
Brazil should just send OG Guaranis to the Philippines instead of export monke models.
The ones being sent are the same ones used domestically.
The only difference being the transmission.