>According to Ukrainian defense minister: Ukraine wants one million soldiers.
>https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62118953.amp
>According to KYIV : Ukraine has deployed 750k soldiers.
>https://kyivindependent.com/national/russias-chaotic-mobilization-unlikely-to-change-ukraine-wars-course
>According to the West: Russia had at the beginning of the invasion 200k.
>https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2022/10/16/world/europe/russia-draft-ukraine.amp.html
>According to Pentagon: Russia has lost 80k soldiers
>https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2022/08/08/pentagon-says-russian-casualties-in-ukraine-up-to-80-000_5992916_4.html
>Russia has 120k soldiers distributed throughout Ukraine.
>Russia now has 6 times less soldiers than Ukrainians, according to Ukraine and the West.
So, can someone explain this data? The West is lying ? How is it possible that Russia is still fighting with such numerical inferiority ?
Look at this fat vatnik puke trying to mental gymnastics into winning the war. How embarrassing, I feel sorry for his parents.
Imagine being so mentally deficient you have to communicate with wojaks.
Ukrainian and western media are lying? Answer the question homosexual, how is it possible that 120k can hold the front.
are you merely pretending to be moronic? Even taking everything you posted at face value does not take into account all the moobilized suckers that have been funneled into the special needs operation by the putler cabal since its start. Not to mention all those poor sods press ganged into meatshields for rashists in the fake republics, and gayner penal battalions.
Jesus christ anon, try false flagging a bit more genuinely. Nobody talk (outside of vatnik caricature) like that. Moobilised putler cabal, special needs operation, gayner? Seriously?
I assure you I choose my words with exceptional care, and it costs me some effort to rein in the contempt I hold for russian invaders and force myself to remember that despite it all, as processed and warped and perverted they are by the state machinery, they are deep down still human beings in desperate need of redemption.
I'm not moderate, btw, I'm a pacifist.
This place has become another r/ukraine. There's no real discussion about the war at all. Just endless torrent of mindless Russian hate. My post will be responded to by people calling me a vatnik and who knows what else, but it's the fricking truth. The Ukraine War has turned /k/ into an absolute shithole flooded with American media outlet and Ukraine MoD talking points mixed with some Russian cope which is probably 50% fake anyway. I hope the war ends soon and that most of the tourists leave instead of sticking around and continuing to ruin this board.
well you choose to ignore all legit answers and focus on the name calling and shittiest posts, frick you for arguing in bad faith
I'm not arguing in bad faith. Every thread is flooded with this shit. There's even been threads not related to the current war at all where people make bot-like Russia hate posts.
>Russian cope which is probably 50% fake
I doubt there's single Russian here, it's just east euros and west euros fricking with them pretending to be ruskies.
Over euro night it's burger board with the poorest of the poor burgers discussing cheap guns.
I would say this is saddest place of all 4ch which is really something.
Yeah I can't wait for the war to end too, but not for the same reason. Secret stuff will be unearthed then, and the REALLY interesting discussions can start to happen. We were all speculating while it was happening, then we will have the conclusions, and see how we arrived there.
Its gonna be amazing
go on, don't be coy
give us some dirt
If you had been on /k/ longer than 8 months, you'd know that this war is every /k/ommando's wet fricking dream. Frick you.
Of course it is, but the level of "discussion" is abysmal even by PrepHole standards.
I support this anon. /K/ has become "frick off vatnik" and "TRANNIES TRANNIES TRANNIES GLOBOHOMO"
It's like Reddit vs /misc/ at the moment
It's just the vatniks. There aren't two sides, it's just the Russians that are trying to shill and then the actual board making fun of them.
Nah. /misc/ have become their own asexually transmitted disease, like the virgin equivalent of AIDS. The actual russian spam is pasted word for word, and is written in a sort of snarky half formal English that uses 70 bong vernacular that you can usually spot. And it's true that even normal steering of the conversation towards reality ends up getting "frick off vatnik" responses. I do enjoy the actual military threads looking at the movements on the front and the weapons and gear deployed, but half the foaming at the mouth Ukraine fans have no idea what they are looking at, they can't identify aircraft or military vehicles, uniforms, ordinance, it's just obvious they aren't from here. Anyway I'll stop fricking whining
>ordinance
And which one would that be, officer?
Nobody gives a frick about Russia or Ukraine no matter how hard you try to shill.
Russia has no propaganda*~~)
Look at facebook boomer meme*~~
Again, if you had been here longer than 8 months you'd know that isn't true.
Sorry, but /misc/ turned me against Russia. I was just watching 2 countries at war until /chug/ came along and converted the whole board. Now I fricking hate Russia and /misc/ and hope they both get nuked
>Now I fricking hate Russia and /misc/
/misc/ actually won over east euro globohomosexual shills and they made retreat to /k/, that's why this board is so shit, you're mostly talking to polaks and other Black folk of EU.
>This place has become another r/ukraine
/k/ is just cringe at this point
my god how much better 2ch is than 4ch. actual shit that is not just reddit and twitter reposts. what a pity it's all in slavic runes.
It's beautiful
What is it with all these flare videos? I'm out of the loop
Russians proudly documenting their warcrimes.
>Russians proudly documenting their warcrimes.
So, chemical weapon?
Incendiaries.
White phosphorous. Not really NBC or even illegal, although normally it would be used against a legitimate military target instead of against civilians.
It's thermite, aluminum+iron oxide.
>Why... WHY WON'T YOU JUST STOP ARGUING!? DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND IF WE DON'T WIN ON /k/ WE GET SENT TO UKRAINE!?
Lmao, not my problem.
the hell happened there?
Vatniks used a rocket-delivered line charge meant for mine-clearing to explode a rooftop. That video was from like 6 months or so ago.
Vattan, you've completely shit up 2ch as well.
Who do you think you're fooling?
>hee hee le failed comedienne based for the win
That's just great, very nice.
>cringe
says all we need about the value of your opinion.
rusgays mad as frick that nobody is buying the astroturfing
Off to the front cumrade
Off to gayner you complete homosexual.
>how is it possible
Wars tend to be pretty slow because people are hesitant to die
Nice avatargayging.
very odd but remember you have been seeing on the news that Russians have been having youth drives and sending their disabled bodies and elderly alike to the meat grinder
>Russia had at the beginning of the invasion 200k
Since then they deployed every soldier except skeleton crews from everywhere, including as far as Sakhalin. They conscripted every breathing male in LDNR regions (about 200k). They scraped everyone who would take insane for Russian standards money to join the fight. Then they put under the gun every single prisoner in the country that would agree to join the fight, hoping to earn freedom. That's a lot, A LOT more than the initial 200k.
So Russia magically solved its logistical problems and was able to recruit another 200,000 in its puppet republics? Do you have any Western sources to confirm those figures? I find it hard to believe that Russia was able to mobilize that.
>So Russia magically solved its logistical problems
Oh heavens no, pressganging donbabweans anr luwandans isn't much of a logistical problem as such, especially considering their low end gear
Half of Russia's separatist force dead or wounded - UK
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61891462.amp
Well, 100k for the Russians. That leaves us with 220k at most, bearing in mind that the militias fight in Dombass and not on the other fronts, this leaves us at 120k or a bit more. The figure is still very screwed for the Russians, they have lost 80k of their professional army and 100k of the militias.
That is unsustainable
hence why they are losing territory
>So Russia magically solved its logistical problems
Who said that? These people were fighting with mosint nagants, in uniforms that they found in their grandparents' graves and ate dirt until most of them perished.
In some places like Bakhmut the Russians outnumber the Ukrainians, in some places the Ukrainians outnumber the Russians. In most places Russians still have an artillery advantage. This is more important than simply having more troops on the ground. Also a very large amount of those Ukrainian troops are guarding places without Russians like Odessa and the Belarussian border and lot of them are just there for logistics and support roles. So in the end it kinda evens out.
did you forget the part where there are already dead russian conscriptovic in ukraine. so its more then 120k
Also, using superior numbers saves lives. why wouldn't they use them. Good part of them is in training or rotation anyway. or area local defense and useless in offensive operations
You're an idiot. It's 750,000 throughout the entire country, not on 'the front'. If you're counting the entire country (which has other borders to defend) why are you not including Russia's soldiers in their territory in the numbers, which would mean Russia has 1,530,000.
Funny how it turned from
>we will take Kiev in 3 days
to
>we're taking your land 0.001km per week!
to
>you're only taking back 5km per week, we still have some of your land
to
>haha we are still holding the line! take that!
as said, you are carefully omitting information to suit a narrative despite that information being vital to the discussion.
>discussion
I'm sure he made this thread to discuss the topic. I've seen the "answer the question! answer the question!" spam today a lot.
Separatists with ruskies help are doing miracle with such disproportion in manpower no to mention how many containers of money Biden printed and sent to Kyiv hunta plus making every nato vassal state send even more money and gear. It's the Ruskies alone against whole globohomo.
>haha we are still holding the line! take that!
>hunta
Хyй бyдeшь?
We would spell it "junta" in English, just an fyi my Russian friend. Surely the north Korea artillery and Iranian drones are sufficiently quality arms to counter the NATO support?
Damn Black folk. It's Kiev junta but it's Kyiv hunta because it's in Ukrainian.
No one cares, you're still a russhit.
lets also not forget how ukraine has to station troops on the entire russian and belarussian border
>So, can someone explain this data? The West is lying ? How is it possible that Russia is still fighting with such numerical inferiority ?
Let me guess, you're from a French-speaking African country.
> ?
> ?
subhuman fr*nchoid detected, post discarded
Reinforcements from the Central African Republic.
Tell me how do I know that you're a brown thirdworlder?
Lol, do you think the 200,000 deployed to Ukraine are all the military personell Russia involves in their operation? Do you think the other soldiers in Russia are just twiddling their thumbs while the army that moved into Ukraine is a self contained group that organizes, manages and supplies itself?
>200,000 deployed to Ukraine are all
Yes I do, other half are Ukrainians like in not all Ukrainians are fighting for Zelensky and his wife despite narrative in western media that Kiev govt is whole Ukraine. It's not.
>narrative in western media that Kiev govt is whole Ukraine.
Пoвтopяю, хyй бyдeшь?
The same could be said of the Ukrainians. Russia has lost 80k of its professional army, practically 50% of the deployment in Ukraine. The militias have lost 100k, more than 50% of their army.
These figures are astronomical. Ukraine should be able to crush the Russians without difficulty, at the very least they should have twice as many troops at the front.
Russia has nowhere to scrape anymore, half of the militias are dead or wounded. They have 100k militia soldiers left, and they can only use it in the Dombass.
>Russia has nowhere to scrape anymore
which is why they drafted 300k+ mobiks to fill up holes.
> Ukraine should be able to crush the Russians without difficulty
You mean like they did in Izum, Lyman and Northern Kherson?
War goes in bursts. Big offensive, followed by much wound licking, sorting of logistics issues and supply lines, replenishment of casualties, sorting out fresh equipment, digging in to hold what you have... then enemy counterattacks, etc. You can attack once you have the strenth and supply in palce.
Ukraine have had some devestating pushes in recent weeks, and it's likely more are to come, but there's probably going to be a while where things slow down
>The same could be said of the Ukrainians.
Except the Ukrainians also has to secure the rest of Ukraine away from the front lines, including all borders with Russia, Belarus and Transnistria, and point defense around any strategically important objectives and infrastructure, as well as Air Defense, Engineer troops deployed to maintain, repair and rebuild and logistics supplying not only the front lines but also all defensive units, aiding civil defense and critical civilian infrastructure like hospitals and power.
Meanwhile Russia is the largest country on earth that is mostly outside Ukrainian reach excepts for the absolute border region.
YES it is known fact counties give their battle plans trough public media. saged. reported. die of aids, homosexual.
>Russia has 120k soldiers distributed throughout Ukraine.
lmao sure
>According to the West: Russia had at the beginning of the invasion 200k
>According to Pentagon: Russia has lost 80k soldiers
>Russia has 120k soldiers
So lets ignore the fact that
1. Russia constantly recruited extra soldiers from reservists
2. Russia redirected more and more troops, like sailors, that were not part of initial invasion, to Ukraine
3. Prigozhin constantly recruiting from 500k big prison population to attack Bakhmut
4. LDNR recruiting every single male age 14-90 to fight
5. extra 220-300k Puccia recruitied AND ALREADY started shipping them to frontline(dead new mobiks found in Luhansk), mobiks making video about getting shipped to Kherson with zero days of training)
You should assume that both sides are full of absolute shit and the only concrete fact is that thousands of people are dying
>Ukraine wants one million soldiers
I want 1 million $$$
I want 1 million gunz <--- woo hoo
I want 1 million free hookers
If they're free then are they really hookers?
You're an absolute cretin. You're comparing the total number of Ukrainian military personnel, including reserves and those in training, with what Russia has at the frontline.
Russia has over a million military personnel in total, compared to the 750k Ukraine claims to have in total. Ukraine does not have near 750k people at the front. And that's not taking into account how a huge number of the Ukrainian force is in the national guard, with limited uses.
Those numbers are really bad for an attacking force but Russia still has numerical superiority. And, most importantly, the ability to replace losses with a near-limitless amount of draftees. Even if it means they'll have near-zero training,
Are you moronic? Russia just mobilized, explain to us how the hell a 120k army resisted all last month the Ukrainian army. Ukraine has numerical superiority because it was able to fully mobilize, it should be able to launch major offensives and totally destroy the Russians. If Russia and Ukraine had started with 200k each, right now Ukraine would have 80k soldiers advantage, because they refreshed the front, while Russia did not for months.
Ukraine has spent 7 months mobilizing, training and replenishing its dead soldiers at the front, while Russia has not. The numerical advantage must be great, and yet the Ukrainians could not break the Russians for example last month. There are only three possible explanations:
>The Ukrainians are incompetent and did not take advantage of their numerical advantage.
>The Russian casualty figures are much lower, that explains why the Russians can hold the front.
>The Ukrainian death toll is much higher than the Russian one, and that is why the numerical advantage has no effect.
>There are only three possible explanations
There is a fourth one: you're a russhit.
>The numerical advantage must be great, and yet the Ukrainians could not break the Russians for example last month
I love this new "we are not losing quick enough therefore we are winning" cope.
>a 120k army
>plus thousands of Wagner mercs and penal troopers
>plus tens of thousands of "seperatist" puppet militia
And the Ukrianians are breaking the Russians, every single day. Attrittion is continously favouring them and the Russians have been continously and massively losing ground over the last months.
So what we arrive at is the fourth explanation: That you're contionously proving yourself a disingenious vatBlack person by trying to pretend nothing of this is happening.
>there are only 3 explanations
anon who told you that? Ukraine don't have 750K soldiers parked on the front. You can have 750K personnel IN TOTAL but they are rotated through deployments, training, rear guard, frontline, yadda yadda. There's not just a massive herd of soldiers milling around
to make full post about how every question Vatniks ask can be answered without having to present 60k pic of dead Russian soldiers.
>Ukraine has 750k soldiers and Puccia only had 200k, it's clear Puccia fights uphill battle with 4:1 disadvantage
Ukrainian numbers include all the troops maintaining supply, training in UK, guarding Belarus, troonystria and Russian border. Russian number is only their ground forces send to Ukraine at the start, it doesn't count: railtroops that work daily to send supply from Siberia to Ukraine(28k), Naval power of black sea fleet(25k soldiers), Russian border guards(up to 170k, probably no more than 25% of that number though), Russian air force (280K). Oh look I've managed to find 400k Russian soldiers engaged in one way or another in war with Ukraine
>but if Puccia suffered such horrendous they should get rolled over on a field
that's exactly what happened on Kharkiv front
>b-but if they had such big losses they would need something to replace that
Exactly why they are planning to modernize 800 T-62 and are drafting 300k-1,2M men, they are out of tanks and soldiers.
Reminder that it was predicted that Puccia had 3k working tanks of T-72, T-80 and T-90 type. If they are down to stealing Indian T-90S and modernizing T-62 it means they lost majority of their modern tanks.
Look and what Puccia does and make conclusions from it
I think Russia is really in a 'lions lead by donkeys' type situations.
Where the average soldier is competent possibly even as good as everyone expected them to be before the war, but their command and government above them is incompetent and wastes their lives in battles that they shouldn't be fighting or by depriving them of supplies through logistical frick ups.
>Ukraine wants one million soldiers.
Lel
How many more days until they reach Kyiv?
it's
Are russians on the frontline really THAT hungry?
>750k on the front
>ukraine
complete bullshit.
I'd expect 100k with 150k on reserve or in low intensity positions ie belaruse border
There simply isn't enough material on either side to field these meme numbers.
Ukraine's entire current mobilisation wave is up to 750k.
Like you said, most of those people are working in the rear. And some of them are still in training.
Also noteworthy, it doesn't even include all reservists, because there isn't enough kit for everyone and because volunteers are given priority over reservists.
>I'd expect 100k with 150k on reserve or in low intensity positions ie belaruse border
There is no point in spending those troops on the border, Russia does not have a significant number of troops to launch an offensive from Belarus. U.S. intelligence would detect any real attempt at an offensive and warn the Ukrainians.
>There is no point in spending those troops on the border,
Border would be minimal relative to the rest.
mil personnel in any conflict that is not on active combat gets divided between:
active duty soldiers on rotation
reserves
recruits on training
non-hot area supply runners
border garrisons
military police
sam, cruise missile, etc manteinance and opertaion
and more i'm probably forgetting.
I'd expect at least the same number of people doing important stuff (tm) outside the frontline as there's people inside the frontline, all of whom went through mil recruitment and basic.