>According to recent studies, the combat fatality rate of U.S. forces in recent conflicts has been around 12%. In the Second World War, the rate was around 55%.
Why does the Russian military have such a high fatality rate for wounded soldiers? Don't they have CASEVAC?
Apparently their medicine is on par with the Klingon Empire.
I.e shit-tier. They are very bad at dealing with injuries on-site.
>Klingon Empire
who? i don't remember them from history class
It's a joke, lol.
What I mean more precisely is that Russians do not value medicine in combat the same way the civilized world does.
It's just north of Wakanda.
They used to be there but they were crushed like the smelly mongol-looking animals they are. Now we keep some around as pets.
The Federation is like Jeb, they are going to take over everything.
And just like root beer, you're all going to grow to like it sooner or later
go back to bed grandpa
>I.e shit-tier. They are very bad at dealing with injuries on-site.
Well they don't have backups that can deal with Casevacs, they often send units by themselfs and considering that ukraine isn't afghanistan, any heli evac can't be done due to stingers.
But aren't their battlefield trauma kits totally not up to the task as well? From what I've heard, they're woefully pathetic.
>But aren't their battlefield trauma kits totally not up to the task as well? From what I've heard, they're woefully pathetic.
No, they're not, because they don't even have Tourniquettes. Have fun equipping your mobilized army when you don't have a ready industry, widespread corruption and a locked economy due to your own actions.
>Not using tampons
NATO HERESY!
>Battlefield trauma kits
That's what's they're calling maxipads
Nonesense, they're medkits are so advanced they can perform maggot therapy in the field!
To be honest those maggots probably saved that vatnik from going septic and dying.
>kilngon
NERD
gun nerds are lower on the social totem pole than star trek/sci-fi nerds
Frickin' nerds.
As both a gun nerd and a star trek nerd, I can confirm this is 100% true.
DUH. Also, Kilngon, lol?
>Apparently their medicine is on par with the Klingon Empire.
Glorious Klingon Empire.
Your posting star trek jokes on a star wars board.
You're not welcome here.
Star Trek has more advanced weapons than Star Wars.
Ya they just hand wave some bullshit. In my fictional universe I have a weapon that kills everything within 100 light-years. My universe is now better. Get fricked
Then why are all their weapons boring and useless?
>onions wars
eat shit moron
lol, no.
>star wars weapons include magic and swords
>the guns they do use are bulky even as side arms, and inefficient
>lightsaber autism gets worse with every new incarnation of the storytelling (double saber, cross guards, etc.)
>A FRICKING VENTILATOR SHAFT
There's more war in Star Trek than there is in Star Wars.
>humanitarian philosophy episode of the week is somehow more /k/ than literal war
lol, lmao even
>star wars weapons include magic and swords
george lucas was largely inspired by fantasy
to the point star wars is seen as a fantasy story in space
>the guns they do use are bulky even as side arms, and inefficient
they literally used WW2 surplus that have been riced out until they were suitably futuristic
the DLT-19 and T-21 arent even modified at all, its literally an MG-34 and lewis gun
>lightsaber autism gets worse with every new incarnation of the storytelling (double saber, cross guards, etc.)
not a a bad thing
the dual lightsaber was, and is, an incredibly iconic weapon
>A FRICKING VENTILATOR SHAFT
is giving the bad guys so much hubris it proves to be their downfall a bad thing now?
despite its meme-ness as some kind of glaring weakpojnt, its a weakpoint they only discover after going over the death star plans until they find a 2m wide hole, 2m wide in comparison to a moon sized station
and it wasnt even unguarded, there was a ray-shield on it
and even the rebels express disbelief that their computers can handle it (and the movie, written in the 70s, was largely colored by 60s use of primitive missiles that locked on to the sun)
the climactic scene itself is a 1:1 homage to a WW2 war movie, the dambusters, where bombers have to fly steady and level while enemy fighters chase them from the rear
Star Wars has Sterling SMGs, Lewis Guns, MG-34s, Stg-44s, Mauser C96s, AR-15s, a Luger, an 1894 Bergmann automatic, and an obscure .22LR target pistol made in the Soviet Union.
Star Trek has bits of injection-molded plastic that look like electric razors (pircrel)
Star Trek had the consultation of futurists and so was so inspired in its design aesthetic that we continue to see technologies and products introduced that build on its ideas.
Star Wars has dudes in plastic clown suits standing in a line and blasting (inaccurately) at some homosexuals in bathrobes.
You would see better accuracy and weapons handling from a Napoleonic musketeer.
>star wars weapons include magic and swords
>what is a bat'leth
This post could be used as actual, definitive proof that Redditors have flooded /k/
>Your posting star trek jokes on a star wars board.
Honestly what's the difference at this point? They're both utter shit now.
t. lifelong Star Wars fan until Disney bought it.
BattleTech is superior... well, it was until PorchBux de facto took over the company.
>a fellow follower of the Word of Blake (PBUH) in this thread
I-I'm honored.
To be fair, the recent successes of Battletech(vidya) and Mechwarrior seem to be breathing some new life into the tabletop.
>t. Downloaded Megamek to satiate my peripherat autism after tooling around in MW5's career mode
>To be fair, the recent successes of Battletech(vidya) and Mechwarrior seem to be breathing some new life into the tabletop.
The Battletech vidya didn't do that much for us and MWO/5 weren't very helpful either. 5 was a flop and enraged most actual Mechwarrior fans. We've gotten a LOT of refugees from 40k though, what the frick is GW doing over there?
Utterly shiting up everything out of spite, they know that their moronic cash cows will mindlessly buy it anyway but they don’t like that people care complaint or, god help us making FAN CONTENT so they put out a blanket cease and descist order and killed most of the fan base
>To be fair, the recent successes of Battletech(vidya) and Mechwarrior seem to be breathing some new life into the tabletop.
Game Workshop going insane is also breathing some new life into tabbletop BattleTech.
>Downloaded Megamek to satiate my peripherat autism
I played it years ago. Does its AI scripts still have insane memory leak issues?
>so you inevitably get pigeonholed into running four Atlases
So game made by Steiner scout lance enthusiasts?
>what the frick is GW doing over there?
Social justice, inclusion and other commie moronation.
you are all boundsmen and freeborn scum, mud jumpers will get stomped
fancy spaceships will get nuked
light sabers and rebel trannies are gay, such as homosexual space doctors and wiener sucking chief engineers
luckily battletech is forgotten and its lore will not be homosexualised like gay dreck dickovery or gay wars: episode dyed hair
seyla
blah blah get wrecked by a phone company again, Clanner, you fricking deep space weirdos.
Pay your phone bill vat-scum.
>luckily battletech is forgotten and its lore will not be homosexualised
Today I will remind you that a certain recent high profile Battletech game features an overweight smart-aleck muslim woman as your chief engineer
She should fix the fricking Argo and stay off the fricking comms unless something is on fire.
mw4?
Battletech 2018
ah i see.
is it good?
im still playing mechcommander 2 once in a while
battletech 2018 is on the list
Its got its moments. I recommend getting it and its DLC on sale cheap, and once you blow through the story install something like Rogue tech and have a much more interesting time when the Arrow IVs start falling on you.
It's fine. The only good crewmate character is Yang because he's unobtrusive and also really good at his job. The rest are forgettable or annoying. The gameplay itself is hampered badly by the fact you only ever get a single lance to play with, so you inevitably get pigeonholed into running four Atlases as your opposition gets more and more numerous. If you like Assault mechs this is exactly what you want, if you're like me and believe speed is life then it's a massive pain in the ass and you'll get diminishing returns in enjoyment once you're so deep into the campaign.
>Muslim
That’s a cover. She’s clearly ComStar, and therefore worships the great Blake. How else do you explain her knowledge of Star League hardware and the surprising lack of ROM agents assassinating your crew for fiddling with lostech?
Hope cancer if your ass grows into a wormhole.
At least the Klingons had redundant organs and armored skeletons
1. They're moronic
2. It's a large war and staff is overwhelmed
3. It's a large war and their logistics for medication etc is overwhelmed
4. They're moronic
I imagine there's a few reasons.
1. Badly trained soldiers
2. Lack of body armor
3. Very capable enemy. The US has not fought a near peer adversary, they fought goat farmers since 2001, and 1991 was basically for all intents and purposes an air war with some armor action throw in. By the time troops went in the whole place was already cleaned up. Not to make light of the US, just saying, if they fought a peer adversary their mortality rate would probably go up
4. And yeah, you aren't really going to have casevac in areas where helicopters can't reach. They certainly don't have vehicles to spare. The Russian military is a clusterfrick
Can't fight a near peer when one doesn't exist.
America has no peers.
Consider if you will, for a moment, that these are the contents of a Russian IFAK.
Next step will be half a baby aspirin taped to a tampon.
f-from WW2 right?
You expect me to believe such lies? Where's the home-grown penicillin?
You forgot the pot of maggots.
At least this one looks remarkably clean compared to the others.
It doesn't matter if the bullet was fired by a near peer adversary or a goatherder, it still does the same damage and the initial wound treatment is the same.
Even if the Russians had air supremacy and the Ukrainians had zero air defense and zero artillery (not even mortars), the Russians would still take far, far, far longer to get the wounded to proper medical facilities than they should and the treatment once they're there will be ludicrously bad.
It's 2022, but the Russian army's medical branch is stuck in the mid-19th-century.
>3. Very capable enemy. The US has not fought a near peer adversary, they fought goat farmers since 2001, and 1991 was basically for all intents and purposes an air war with some armor action throw in. By the time troops went in the whole place was already cleaned up. Not to make light of the US, just saying, if they fought a peer adversary their mortality rate would probably go up
Iraq was one of the largest armies in the world at the time, and with lots of combat experience from the Iran-Iraq war.
The idea that the US would drastically change the way they wage war if the enemy was more of a peer than Iraq is dumb, they rely on air superiority cause it works, and all the tools available today like drones, high precision long range artillery and satellites make that even easier.
>Posting unironic hohol propaganda
Stop trying
hah
>Russian CASEVAC
>Not more deadly then front line duty
>"Stupid NATO trannies and their fancy medical shit! We have the Party Van!"
At least we know how postapocaliptic warlord wars would look like.
The question must be posed. Died from tetanus or lead poisoning?
Do they know Jeremy Clarkson isn't really a car designer?
Are those fricking nails?
I contracted tetanus and salmonella just looking at that photo!
Could they at least give it a car wash? For frick sake
Take a pressure washer to it and it'll strip the panels off
russians has to bring their own vehicle along with their mothers tampons?
God imagine the fricking kino we would get if Russia broke apart into rival warlord states.
>if
It's a matter of when at this point to be honestly.
Ah yes, the world’s second strongest military, only bested by Immortan Joe and his war boys.
IED hitting armor with all their shit in place vs ATGMs hitting armor that have been stripped bare.
Dude, r*ssian don't know what tourniquet is.
This Black folk insert a tampon into the wound, and piss on their feet treating trench foot.
there was a pretty funny video of a dead guy whose tourniquet was basically tied shut and inaccessible in an emergency. Lots of other pictures of them in plastic and shit. Just bad training overall.
I'd also like to expand on what I said
about lack of body armor. Body armor protects vitals. Shots that hit areas not protected are more likely to be less mortal. So if Russian cannon fodder don't have body armor, more hits are likely to be mortal hits
They do know what TQ's are
Problem is that
>TQ's they have are old as shit rubber Esmarch TQ's from the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan
>They ran out of TQ's of all quality
>Pic
Tfw when you have only one TQ.
Also, this guy blow his brains out?
yeah. can't really blame the poor bastard.
They've run out of fricking bootlaces and fricking sticks?
Jesus F. Christ, man!
Tie an eye in one end of bootlace.
Run running end of bootlace through that eye.
Pull running end tight.
Tie two half-hitches of running end around eye.
Shove stick through that eye.
Begin twisting stick,(aka: "Spanish Windlass").
When bleeding stops and leg goes numb, tie off on end of stick to keep it all tensioned.
So that will keep you from bleeding out.
Now hope someone treats you for shock.
Hope that someone invents a pallet and a forklift and the truck or jeep to evacuate you hadn't been zapped by some Mountain Dew swigging pimple face operating a drone.
Jesus that's grim. But I guess it's probably better than slowly dying under russian "medical" """care"""
Better to be dead than lead the "life" of a cripple in Russia. Slaves to the end, they refuse to revolt but they'll die in some ditch for no benefit to the Russian public.
I had noticed this the first few weeks of the war, and nothing has seemed to really change.
Typically people expected a lower mortality rate compared to injured(5:1 to even 17:1 in the case of the USA), while the Russian numbers seemed to be about 1.5-2:1 injured to killed which is astonishing.
So the answer is just... no.
They only try to evacuate pilots, for the most part.
There are some cases where Russians try to rescue their wounded, but it's generally futile because they just don't have the medicine.
We've seen a lot of drone footage where there's people on stretchers where others are being bombed... and the people on stretchers are just laying there dead, because they didn't have the medical training nor drugs and equipment to save them from normally treatable injuries.
Also this. Russians are often killing themselves or asking someone else to kill them after they're injured as they know it's hopeless.
It's the logical end to Russian somber stoicism.
>Russian somber stoicism.
This seems like it's somehow more fricking suicidal than Japanese "Death or Dishonor."
How the frick did they pull that off?
At this point Nato should invade to save the Russian people themselves from Putler's idiotic cruelty. It's just gotten so sad. Like watching a madman order slaves to jump off a cliff.
Putin needs to be tried for War Crimes against the Russian people themselves for how badly this situation has been handled. This is like a half step above using soldiers marching to clear mine fields.
>save the Russian
all the Russians worth saving have already left or were killed by Putin. corruption and bitterness have long been endemic to Russian culture.
>all the Russians worth saving have already left or were killed by Putin
Not all of them
Pls, someone edit the meme and spell his name right
A lot that WIA/KIA ratio among Vatniks in the first months of the war is a reflection of what they were getting zapped with.
A shaped charge that punches through your tank or IFV's armor is going to leave the occupants just so much charred Spam in a Can...especially if your own fuel and armor create a secondary explosion.
Just a few chunks of hot meat in the can and a few more shreds blown out all over the landscape.
Yeah, early in the war a lot of the deaths were within vehicles. And those vehicles were being blown up with no survivors. 1 tank kill was generally 2 or 3 Russians killed. Those IFVs are so hard to get out of, and when those are ambushed it's everyone killed. They were also so far from a base and any hope of medical attention.
Having looked at these tourniquets many times... it just hit me that they're horribly ineffective, aren't they?
Not just because I've seen Russians putting them on then still bleeding out in minutes, but just the design of them. When I think of all the other ones I've seen, they have a loop to pull leverage against to get them on tighter.
Ukrainian losses have been acknowledged plenty of times, schizo. They're less than the Russians, and vastly more Ukranians are surviving their injuries.
> Ukrainian losses have been acknowledged plenty of times
"Plenty" meaning literally 2-3 times since the start of the war. With laughably low numbers. But I guess some people believe the 15:1 kill ratio stories. And they call vatniks brainwashed...
I do, because of the concerning amount of documented equipment the Russians have lost. I'm not going to mentally bargain to appease some moronic vatnik piece of shit. Honestly, you should seek a cliff.
Fricking rubber band "tourniquets" are a fricking criminal joke.
Men have been using tourniquets since at least Roman times, using leather thongs.
In sea battles, they used lengths of marline on rolling wooden decks full of splinters and the body parts of guys that had been zapped by round shot.
This is an old technology. Rubber bands? Frick me.
You'd be better off using electrical zip ties.
>Roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
>Go to your God like a Soldier!
Amputees blowing their brains out is based though. We should be encouraging them all to do so I don't have to deal any more of them trying to scam me for change at the bus stop
>trying to scam me
What business scheme are they selling you on that makes it a scam instead of a beg?
>t. that one russian bus driver
Nice to see someone got the joke.
thats fricking brutal anon.....but i got to give it to you that was a great laugh you gave me thanks
>giving your AK a blowjob over losing your legs
Below-the-knee leg amputations, even if it's a double, is one of the less shitty amputations you can have to deal with. Then again, I have to remember that this is fricking Russia, and he will probably be sliding around on a hunk of cardboard in Moscow begging for rubles for his next bottle of vodka to block out the screams of his comrades burning to death in the IFV.
If he survives that is. He probably got abandoned by his squad and only shot himself when it started to rot
HE killed himself?
>tfw you know churkas took all the wheelchairs
>"russian battlefield medicine is bad"
>yet this guy survived having his entire head blown off
explain THAT hato
russians have never used their brains anyways.
You see Ivan if be of shoot mean death you fight harder to not be of shoot.
>In the Second World War, the rate was around 55%.
not sure where you're getting that number. in ww2 the ratio of killed:wounded was 0.43
Remember when the copeexperts back in March were saying UAF's casualty figures of the Russian military were too high because only 20% of people die in war, with 4/5ths injured?
Yeah
>combat fatality rate of U.S. forces in recent conflicts
So, attacking tiny shitholes without infrastructure, without any provocation?
There was quite a bit of provocation and you would know that if you weren't a twelve year old homosexual.
"Give it to me straight, doc."
"The surgery went fine, but tests show the bullet was fired by a soldier from a country that ranks higher than 0.85 on the Human Development Index. I'm sorry, son, you only have minutes to live. Don't worry, we'll mail the purple heart to your next of kin."
r u tarded
not a peer adversary = air superiority = easy casevac
not a peer adversary = less casualties = medical personnel isn't overwhelmed
need I go on?
>need I go on?
You've embarassed yourself plenty already
not an argument
suck it up, you were wrong
>suck it up, you were wrong
>you
Sure bud
Ukraine had casevac in encircled Mariupol. Russia is just shit
>no logistics because you need clipboards with paper in the hands of competent dudes organizing transport of goods that are bundled in pallets for ease of loading/unloading
>no CASEVAC, period
>no SEAD/DEAD so even if CASEVAC were a thing, it'd be impossible with all the MANPADS and AA systems the Ukes are fielding
>poor CLS training, some troops don't even know how to apply a basic tourniquet
>incredibly moronic tactics, deep battle is fricking moronic and the Soviets who developed the idea of deep battle should have been hanged along with the Nazis for crimes against humanity
Meanwhile you have the US...
>DEAD is done before any troops are in danger
>we'll spend a whole fricking month pounding your AA into dust
>a simple flesh wound gets you evacuated as soon as possible
>we'll fly in or we'll drive in but your wounded ass is getting out
Why? Because Vietnam traumatized us when the military was dragged out, even though the US military hadn't lost any major battles, when our civilian populace threw a shit fit after watching their sons and brothers die in rice paddies ON LIVE TELEVISION because we couldn't properly organize ourselves enough to evacuate wounded consistently. Russia's turn.
this
the USA learned from Vietnam to become stronger than ever (all volunteer army, inventing SEAD as we know it) the Soviet Union (and by extension the Russian Federation) didn’t learn shit and are paying for it
moronic tactics, deep battle is fricking moronic and the Soviets who developed the idea of deep battle should have been hanged along with the Nazis for crimes against humanity
You're in luck. Most of them got purged by Stalin.
Has anyone seen what role 1 and role 2 medical looks like the for the Russians? I've seen pictures of their role 3 and it's what I pictured Russian hospitals look like.
I'm morbidly curious what their field hospitals and processes are like
t. Army Med janny
One thing that sprang out of the US’ 20 year long slog in the middle east was a refinement of field trauma care. Then again, more dead soldiers in the US meant more bad PR so more emphasis got placed on saving the wounded. Russia’s never really cared since their mindset hasn’t evolved since WWII. In fact, they moronicly celebrate being cannon fodder within their culture. So why bother develop better battlefield treatment?
It's why our wounded rate was so much higher than our KIA numbers in Afghanistan and Iraq.
And we should train the Ukrainians to be on our level there. The more Ukrainians survive to fight another day, the better.
We’ll have to see videos of them treating their wounded in the field to gauge wether they got that training and gear. But I doubt Ukraine wants any videos of their wounded being released.
i can recall to see some videos about afu treating wounded on the battlefield on instagram and telegram
>adopt new war doctrine
>consists of air support taking care of most of the work while the soldiers laze around
gee i sure wonder why the US has a lower death rate
>yfw when /k/ bought all the recent IFAK
sepsis would like to know your location
Is just natural penicillium colony for antibiotic preservation comrade
That cannot be recent
Found a dead Russian a few months ago.
Lmao, I bought one of those bags from a flea market in NY for $6 in 2004. I'll find it and take a pic
Pic related
Hard to get a good shot of it, but the buttons have the hammer and sickle on them
I think that TQ cost more than that guys entire kit
o__o
God damn.
>That pan up to the guy laying in the road
Jesus. PCCs/PCIs exist for this exact reason.
>PCCs/PCIs
Paper work you check all the boxes in after kicking the tires to see if they are flat or not
My blue state guard unit was like this, they just smacked their lips and called it a day
He didn't seem to be trying very hard to save his buddy
Not his buddy, pal.
He's not your pal, fren
Not your fren, buddy.
Not your buddy, codger.
2-step process to get it out
>get out knife
>cut zipties
1 is 1 and 2 is a million when your leg is on fire
>the Second World War, the rate was around 55%.
Sometimes I forget how everyone other than the UK was awful at battlefield medicine. The widespread use of anesthesia, sterilisation and antibiotics in the field was miles ahead of everyone else. Even the raw number of highly trained surgeons we had was in a league of its own.
You boys had learned some hard lessons from boogieing in the Flanders mud in the Great War.
The real change came about during the Crimean war. Look up Florence Nightingale if you are interested.
True enough that, but it took a general war rather than a colonial engagement to spread the doctrine far and wide within your Army.
And it wasn't as quickly adopted and worked out as it could have been, which meant a lot of Bongs and Leafs died needlessly.
"Bloody Hell! Nigel's legs got blown off by that Hun mortar. Newton, Percy, be good lads and carry the poor bugger back to the aid station. There's a stretcher around here somewhere. Hop to it, lads!"
You guys kind of had to be good at it when you had an egotistical, madlad like Monty throwing you into whatever netted home the most glory.
>The "Monty" is a martini variant made with 15 parts gin to one part vermouth
>It is named for general Montgomery's infamous tendency to only attack when possessed of overwhelming numerical superiority
And yet, British tankers suffered more head trauma than American tankers. Turns out helmets are better than berets.
>British tankers suffered more head trauma than American tankers
Isn't that worse? What were the Americans doing that made them get less traumatic outcomes?
Wearing helmets instead of berets.
Are you a dentist?
Losing all of your men in the first world war does indeed tend to hamper your ability to take part in the next one.
germans had very good surgery because fiseler storch stol plane, halftrack ambulances and foward mash.
usually no more than 40 minutes from frontline to surgery.
>fiseler storch
Honestly underrated plane
You didn't have penecillin though so they guy would die of infection anyway. German survival rates were rookie numbers.
Why would Russia High Command risk a Mi-8 for CASEVAC? That's something only a country that values life would do.
https://americanmilitarynews.com/2022/09/1st-openly-trans-army-officer-arrested-for-trying-to-pass-secrets-to-russia/
Apparently Russia has to ask an expert how to make field hospitals.
Is that mortality rate for all combatants or just those who get injured to the point they need medical assistance to survive?
KIA/WIA ratio.
The crazy thing is that all of the numbers and projections I've seen about this war bear out with that one Russian report from a month in where they claimed 9,500 dead/16,000 wounded, then a day later claimed they never said that and Ukrainian hackers just hacked the state media and ministry of defense and forced them to say that.
So I guess that one incident was the one time Russia was actually telling the truth?
Good lord, 1.6 wounded per 1 dead, fricking US civil war had a better ratio
>Don't they have CASEVAC?
We've seen the puppyvac and porkervac methods work well and dividing casualties between multiple digestive systems improves their odds of survival albeit in other life forms.
there was /K/ATVAC as well
True, and they're so cute.
Well that's what happens when you fight a conventional war that isn't against 3rd world rag heads.
Your 9 line medivac isn't going to work when opfor has an AA capability.
Well this explains the huge mortality rate Ukrainian troops are claiming. You shoot a russian in the shoulder he is liable to die, even with medical assistance.
>Russian field trauma is on par to pre-firearm era where infection and bleeding were the big killers
Holy fricking christ. I bet even china took notes on modern trauma care, not to mention bulk of world medical supplies are produced in china so they really have no excuse to drop the ball on this.
No they don't. And their medics, instead of whole bunch of modern tourniquets, have only a few Esmarch ones at very best. Also they often send troops in a completely pointless attacks without even possibility of evac. Wounded russians, ironically, have better chances to survive if ukies finds them instead of other russians.
and fyi the US fataility rate in WW2 was comparatively low because they had an exellent pipeline of front -> aid station -> field hospital.
It dropped off because helicopters and the "golden hour" (or something like that). Basically, if someone gets clapped and its not instantly fatal, their chances of surviving are pretty good if you can get them on an operating table in under an hour.
Due to the nature of most recent US wars, it was pretty easy to this because insurgents dont have AA nets at all. In a full blown conflict that number would tick up as you cant bring helos right up to the front so easily.
I think its a bad idea for the US to rely on helicopters. Those birds will get shot down and then you will get tossed in the back of a hmmv you wont even fit it alone
Why do you assume no other options? Field ambulances exist.
>Why do you assume no other options? Field ambulances exist.
because of doctrine, a lone m113 in desert storm against dumb shitskins will not cut it, even in desertstorm and the wotr hmmvs were used to transport wounded becasue AK fire was too hot for birds to pick them up.
Ever been in a hmmv?
Yes, I have. They drive like a drunken brick.
Heavy provision of vehicles suited to ground casualty evacuation is operationally burdensome so it's not been done. Reliance would be on available supply vehicles etc.
Well that's gonna be your fricking 9 line in war where the enemy has dubious aa coverage.
Two tourniquets are needed for a single leg, 1 up near the groin in case the artery shrivels up above the wound and bleeds out internally.
All that shit works only in occupied derkastans where insurgents have no aa capability other than rpgs and aks.
The sheer scale and magnitude of the war in Ukraine, need i say more
literally just said that in the post you are responding to you absolute moron. And no, Ukies were flying casevac in and out of mariupol long after it got encircled.
Flying nape of earth and at night pretty much negates everything. But its hard, and its risky, and eventually you will take losses (like the Ukranians did)
I remember listening to a few pro-Russian podcasts and they would be so perplexed about Ukies helicopters flying into Mariupol during encirclement. Whenever people in the chat said it was evacs, they would hand wave that off and say that taking that kind of risk just to get a seriously injured fighter was totally unrealistic. They couldn't even comprehend the idea of it.
Vietnam and Korea.
>korea
>the war the proved the absolute necessity of helicopters in medevac and cutting down on fatalities
>vietnam
>the war where mass-deployment of helicopters allowed quick movement of men and material through dense jungle
if anything, these wars prove that helicopters are so absolutely vital that they are worth the risk in deploying them
if they are getting shot down the problem is lacking effective tactics and haphazard air cover, not the helicopters
Dont get wounded Vatnik
Imagine the smell.
At least it's probably a well staphed.
Well at least they chose a church
wouldn't be surprised if they just execute anybody that's wounded in a way that stops them from fighting in the future.
Putin doesn't want a cohort of disabled veterans whining about disability pay or whatever.
They should copy the VA then
Except despite whinging the VA is usually pretty good.
>spending money on useless people and giving them a political voice
pretty much the opposite of what Putin is trying to do.
People not knowing how to put a tourniquet (or lack of them) is the reason people are bleeding out and die, another thing is that those lucky bastards who got one and it was applied correctly have them not being removed in time, so say hi to necrosis and amputation
A fricking embarrassment. How can posing a cripple with cooking oil and rice be anything but an insult for everyone concerned.
Would love to know what was happening in here before the photo was taken. Even if it was vatnik aid station was was hastily evac'd... the fricking state of it...
The wounded can't do anything, the medics don't care, there are no press-ganged frick-offs to sweep up.
ffs.
does russian forces even have the infrastructure or support to casevac their wounded even if they have proper TQ and trauma technique?
So the shitty basic IFAK I made myself for less than $200 is better than what an entire country, a superpower with nukes, is able to give their soldiers? (not pictured: needle decompression, NPA, and more TQs securely ziptied to my LBG)
How is Russia a real country
200 bucks? Thats fricked up those things are much cheaper.
You ever notice how we only get info on how bad the Russians are doing and never hear about any losses the ukranians take? Besides land losses that are hard to dismiss?
I see no one has answered me. You are all hereby designated homosexual bot shills and all of /k/s opinions are disregarded from here on out (just like every other day of the week)
The answer is really apparent if you have any context... Russia is really bad at fighting wars, especially modern ones, and they're getting tabled by a nation that really has no right doing so, if you go purely by what is written on paper. Turns out when you don't take anything seriously and design your doctrine based on memes, you get bad results. If Russia survives this, maybe next time they'll realize that placing value on human life positively correlates to your ability to win conventional wars.
This isn't really a war between Russia and Ukraine.
It's a war between NATO and Russia with NATO using Ukrainian conscripts as proxies.
>nations donate some hand-me-downs to Ukraine
>Russians think this is fighting the full might of NATO
God Russia sucks
>Baaaaaw! Why can't I be in my comfy echo chamber?
Because a "superior" military power blundering in such a spectacular way is infinitely funnier than people defending their homes dying.
You are in a pro-Ukraine echo chamber here moron. I’d like to hear accurate info, regardless of who it favors
>inb4 torrent of bootyblasted shills and r*dditors
If you only get your news from PrepHole, you are legitimately moronic.
Could be something to do with the Ukranians coming from a 1st world country where mobile phones are owned by everyone, while most of the russian conscripts have never seen a flushing toilet, let alone a phone. Out of the few that did manage to take them, many will lose them to higher ranks (stealing and selling them) or swapping them for basics like food.
Russia is a piss poor country, ruled by an abjectly corrupt clique plus the staggering casualty number that would be a challenge even for a rich, well supplied country, i.e. they can't offer high quality medical aid.
I heard that only Officers get CASEVAC. Enlisted? Frick out of luck I cause.
If you never evacuate soldiers, you never lose out on pay. If the soldier dies, you lie, and take their pay. If someone checks up on soldier, you lie, and say they recently deserted. Great success.
WHAT IN FRICK IS DONE TO THIS POOR RIFLEMAN'S AID KIT? STUPID HICK AMERICAN WITH TEN GALLON HAT AND GIANT PICKUP TRUCK LOOKS AT PERFECTLY FINE TAMPON AND MENSTRUAL PAD AND SAYS "NO, RIFLEMAN NEED MORE DUMB SHIT ON HIM"?
WHAT IS REASON FOR TOURNIQUET? IF YOU NEED TO STOP BLEED IN EMERGENCY, NOW IS TWISTED INTO PAINFUL VICE AND YOU MISS DIE ANYWAY! LOOK WOUND FROM BAYONET! LOOK AT PLASTIC SHEET THAT STICK TO CHEST HAIR AND STING LATER! WHERE DID CANVAS FOOTWRAP BANDAGE GO?
I HEAR OF GOLDEN HOUR IN AMERICA. ADDING EXPENSIVE HELO TO PICK UP MOBIK WHO NOT GROW BEARD YET. WHAT ELSE YOU FRICK? YOU PUT SURGEONS IN FIELD? HOW ABOUT AIRLINER FILL WITH DOCTOR AND NURSE AND SKYPE CALLS TO HOME?
SURE, IS ONLY KADROYVITE BUT IS STILL PROUD RED ARMY SOLDIER. WOMEN SENDING HIM BIRTHDAY CARD WITH SEVERED OFF THUMB WHEN GET HOME AND THEY DRIVE HIS NEW LADA IF HE CANNOT GRIP STEERING WHEEL. "HAPPY BIRTHDAY SERGEI! I KISS ON ALL HOLES HOLHOLS CREATE!" LARGE MOUND FORMS OVER HIS COMRADES CORPSES SO TANKS CANNOT COME EASTWARD ANYWAY WITHOUT SPINNING.
RIFLEMAN WAS FINE BEFORE YOU FILL HEAD WITH FALSE DREAMS OF SURVIVNG WOUNDING. MAYBE KILL HIMSELF IN GARAGE ANYWAY WHEN MISSES COMRADES. TAKE SHIT OF GOAT OFF WOUND AND INFECTION BARELY PROBLEM.
>LARGE MOUND FORMS OVER HIS COMRADES CORPSES SO TANKS CANNOT COME EASTWARD ANYWAY WITHOUT SPINNING.
Epic pastabagoole, Comrade!
I hope Ivan didn't get mobilized.
>Russia tries to commit another genocide against Ukraine
>Ukraine eliminates the entire male population of Russia instead
Could it be that the Ukrainians were the bad guys this entire time?
No just a bunch of Russian ~~*communists*~~ and israelitelisnky making a bunch of white European Christians kill each other in a pointless war while Israel refuses to take sides.
Russia might lose it's entire male population. But that is fine because the dead cannot feel pain, anguish, or regret. Just think about all of those poor Ukrainian men that will have to live with the trauma of war. Think about the PTSD nightmares they will suffer when they remember how they had to personally kill 100 Russian soldiers and bury them in mass graves without a proper funeral service. My heart goes out to those poor men, nobody should have to live with the deaths of so so so many men on their conscious.
Mostly vatniks are mowed down by artillery/mortars.
Yeah that's what's so neat and fun about war. Nobody really kills anybody else. The artillery guy who pulls the cord doesn't know if that shot is going to hit an empty field or wipe out a platoon.
Don’t be stupid think of the women the primary victim of war
Ironic how it's mostly ukies who discover mass graves of their own soldiers. But we never hear much about ukrainian loses, do we? We only hear "civilians killed, warcrimes, genocide!" even though you can clearly see uniforms on the dead bodies.
>in recent conflicts
Against technologically impoverished sand Black folk. US service members haven't had every kind of fancy rocket launcher system that's ever been made fired at them in recent times.
You must mean the fatality rate among casualties and not US forces. Otherwise it makes no sense as the 12% would be way too high.
Despite the shit we give them, burgers are actually pretty compitent at war; it's peace that they always bungle.
i thought russians setup field hospitals along the border
even some third world countries has better medevac than this
How come shills infest this board and not /misc/? are they terrified of the schizos there?
>Don't they have CASEVAC?
They cannot coup youbif you kill them all
>US army would get so much more KIA because they have only fought goat herders
>ignoring how much more advanced and well equipped their MEDEVAC is
why do vatniks always assume everyone is just as bad at them?
it is all good, send in the spetsnaz gru
>Okraina says Russia sucks
K.
All their best doctors were killed or gulag’d by Stalin. So anyone left in Russia is not a good doctor.
Has anyone actually seen Russians care for the wounded, at all? There's a webm out there of a vatnik field hospital. It's a bunch of dead guys on stretchers piled up in one place.
with everything we've seen so far with how they approach their battlefield doctrine, I really wouldn't be surprised if their medical side of war hasn't really made any strides in the last 50+ years.
One of the drone videos features two Russians carrying a third (presumably wounded) Russian before they get hit
Those are rookie numbers! We need to pump those numbers HIGHER!
>mortality rate among the critically wounded is high
Well God damn, now I love hohol wiener!
Cheaper to let them die than to cure them and pay them cripple money for life
Another FAKE.Thousands of Ukrainian corpses lie in the steppes of Kherson. And Ukrainian newspapers invent fakes about Russians. Maybe you'll take your corpses first?
Why would Putin waste fuel and helis on literal cannon fodder? He wants them to die, for his own safety
more k/ope while ukraine gets raped - makes sense.
There is a very recent account of a Russian conscript who got wounded and his story of how he got that way.
>mobilized from close to the Kuril islands close to Japan
>1 day of firearms training
>30 mins of med training
>get slapped on the frontlines
>get attacked, fend off ukies
>drone guided artillery injures 35 people in 20mins
>uses tourniquet on himself and several others
>runs 6km after bad bicep injury or else he thought he would die.
>get to the village where the medivac guys are just chilling and have no idea the front was just shelled and people were injured.
Dude was basically cannon fodder. Such a sad story because the guy seemed fairly educated.
need to approach 100%
And yet Russia is still winning. How's that Kherson offensive coming? Two more weeks, right?
Define "winning"
You have an odd definition of winning. This is the equivalent of yelling at the smaller guy at a bar, sucker punching him but only managing to graze him, falling face first into the concrete and having the small guy repeatedly kick your head while everyone else laughs. But you're still conscious so it counts.
>Russia is still winning
Fricking HOW, lol? Your troops are trapped at Kherson, destined to die far worse than those at Mariupol did.
I bet this proud American veteran was so glad he was saved by modern medical sci- oh wait nvm
yes moron that's a photo of their wedding
the regret comes from the alimony, not the war
I propose we send harlequin people to wars so that when they are disfigured like this, their lives wouldn't change that must and morale remains high
Give story
IED in Iraq turned homeboy into a screaming torch. He survived only to be disfigured and marry his finance, who later divorced.
In the time it happened he became a cautionary tale in the Marine Corps of complacency and how you can ruin a buddies life with it.
Really not surprising since their general reaction to seeing their friends get wounded is to leave them behind and run away.
compared to what?