>Development began in the 1990s and design was complete in 2001. As of 2005, various systems of this vehicle were in advanced stages of development.[2][needs update] By 2020, Indian military announced plans to begin operational use of the Abhay ICV in 2027.
Why the fuck does it take India 37 years to go from r&d to production of their first IFV?
This looks like it was designed in 1950.
no it doesn't man. ever heard of design modern where some thing look older than in reality but it's just style to old? shut up bhai drakachar.
Pajeet kope is unironically the funniest
why are you coping roach is it because you're a paki?
Hey hey, it doesnt look like ot was designed in 1950, I'll give him that.
It looks like it was designed in 1951 and built in 1965.
Bloody benchod bastard shut you're haarmon munh, bevakoof.
>Why the fuck does it take India 37 years to go from r&d to production of their first IFV?
You answered yourself.
It is their first attempt at something that they never did before, no matter how trivial, your first time will always be the toughest. Also, India is laughably incompetent and corrupt.
South Korea also tried making an amphibious IFV with a 40mm gun as their very first attempt at making an IFV and it only took them 8 years from design to mass introduction into service.
Souf Korea isn't India, they actually have some kind of industry.
Wat you say u bloody ben-jong rascal?
>average IQ in worst korea: 105
>average IQ in india: 82
Any more questions?
Yeah, why does south korea have such a high household debt ?
Bankers. (Not just garden gnomes but mostly garden gnomes)
It's 100% garden gnomes.
South Korean bank turned "independent" in 1997 when they sold out to the IMF.
Now they are practically a international bankers' puppet.
jeonsae system allows relatively poor Koreans to build equity by "buying" a house.
debt is cheap in Korea and there are many different loan programs for all sorts of shit.
dumbasses see the word "debt" and chimp out but if you leverage debt for personal gain, then borrowing power is a fucking asset. Literally what the rich class does every day.
Jeonse is actually a pretty fucking high IQ way to build credit. If puts the lender on the line, not the payee. Indians in Mexico also do this. Koreans mixed with Mayans in south eastern Mexico 100 years ago so I suspect that's where the tradition came from.
>Indians in Mexico also do this. Koreans mixed with Mayans in south eastern Mexico 100 years ago so I suspect that's where the tradition came from.
You're really getting ahead of yourself there.
When you already have domestic tank manufacturing industry it helps, don't be stupoid here.
BLOODI BENCHOD, INDIA HAVE ARJUN WIT MAGNA CUM BLAST KANCHAN!!! FUCKING RASCAL BASTERD JAI HIND!
By comparison, another mediocre-to-bad tank platform, the Italian C1 Ariete managed to have 200 units produced in 7 years. Which is around 29 units, in a country that has basically no need for an MBT. India will become superpower by 2025 tho am sure.
For further comparison, between 2003 and 2008 the spaniards built 219 Leopard 2E (their native leopard variant), meaning 43 tanks per year, and that's despite the issues caused by the producer, Santa Barbara being bought by GDELS in 2003 and 2006-2007 featuring some pretty massive disputes.
And on top of that the L2E is pretty good even for L2 variants.
I mean for fucks sake.
>Someone saved my schizo picture
Daww
It's grim that the Arjun and Abhay are such pieces of garbage. They were thought out well on paper.
>Arjun would be a Leopard 2 with heavier armor and Brit style rifled gun
>Abhay would be a CV9040 but with amphibious ability like the BMP series
But then Indian MIC ineptitude, government corruption, regional political bickering and bureaucratic bullshit steps in.
South Korea has one language, India has 70, design by committee doesnt work with 70 languages
Wow, by pure chance that's almost as many as the average iq of INDIA, 76.
Don't forget that Korea bought aifv design from Belgium in the 80s so it wasn't korea's first rodeo into IFV manufacturing
>tejas
India would've cream themselves if they shitty little mirage knockoff achieved half the success of FA-50. It took 40 years and the damn thing barely reached intial operational capability
>India would've cream themselves if they shitty little mirage knockoff achieved half the success of FA-50. It took 40 years and the damn thing barely reached intial operational capability
Still 0 export sales yet their media and shills keep hyping it up every single year that another country has a bid for tender out.
why compare humans to subhumans? what would be the point of such an exercise?
>subhumanS
YOU FUCKING BLOODY!
you're calling Koreans subhuman? ESL paki garden gnome please
I think I've made better vehicles than that in Sprocket.
>Why the fuck does it take India 37 years to go from r&d to production of their first IFV?
Looking at the timeline.
>11 years of R&D before it was approved, a fair chunk of that was probably deciding if they want it.
>4 years to build a mild steel prototype
>15 years of realizing they are a poor nation with a lot of BMP 2's and should probably focus on toilets so the project is stopped.
>tensions and border clashes with China realize they should probably modernize and it should be domestic so they are not reliant on Russia in a war.
>Restarting development stalled for more than a decade takes time.
Thank you ChatJeetPT
>obligatory mention of the INSAS rifle
This thing is litteraly a CV90-40 but Indian in terms of paper stats. And the CV90-40 came out 30 years ago
It does look very similar to the CV90 without the composite applique armor.
The wikipedia article on this thing says it has since recieved composite armor, but I can't find any pictures of it, so maybe it's internal, or like most things from india, bullshit.
India is not a bullshit it has very strong army and equipment and technology shut up bhai stupid baby let just be friend.
You are doing a good job at pretending to be Indian.
who ever said I'm pretending? I don't need to be indian to support good people.
Bhai just means Brother. Chota Bhai would be Younger Brother. Bara Bhai would be Big Brother.
Does Bhai mean "younger brother" like it does in Nepalese, or does it mean something else in Hindi?
Meant to reply to you with
>INSAS
>Arjun
>Tejas
This always happens lol
I thought the same thing too, it just looks like bare steel armor to me.
Worst Korea is an actually competent country.
Look at the Arjun. The develop program began in 1974. The first 5 production tanks arrived in 2004. By 2021, they had produced 141 in total. Look at the Tejas. A billion dollars (in 2023 money) were allocated for its development in 1984. It's first flight was in 2001, it entered service in 2015, and by 2021, there were 40 of them. The indigenous engine that was intended for the Tejas first ran in 1996. They're hoping it will be ready (for use in an unrelated drone project) by 2026.
What makes this all worse is that India hired Krauss-Maffei, the makers of the Leopard 2, to consult on the Arjun project in 1984. Nearly forty years later, India now has a knockoff Leopard that's worse in every way. Even with help from Dassault, it took India 30 more years to produce the Tejas, which is a 4th-generation fighter introduced in the goddamn mid-2010s. It's "indigenous" in that only 40% of it is imported parts (minor things mainly, like the engine, the radar, the sensors, the ejection seats, most of the ordnance, etc.)
Don't worry the Next Generation Main Battle Tank and the HAL Tejas Mk2 will be better than any tank or fighter in the world today... when they enter service in the late-2060s.
shut up indian technology is strong
stfu street shitter.
>be india
>see pakis potentially buying Abrams
>oh shit we also need an equivalent
>get gaslight to invest billions in arjun
>Pakis just work with the chinks to make something mediocre enough to work.
>30+ years and arjun is a over priced, over weight piece of turd
I firmly believe that the Defense Research & Development Organization is secretly controlled by the Pakistani intelligence services. It's the only explanation for the state of India's military-industrial complex.
paki ESLs don't even control their own bodily fluid flow
joke's on you, its just normal India govt efficiency
>they rejected the BMP-3 for something that looks like it's from the 1960's
Honestly as far as slavshit goes the BMP-3 probably works well enough with western components replacing the worst slavmonkey ones, like optics.
Mexico tested the BMP3 and claims the armor was pretty shit even compared to their older IFVs they built with German help. Didn't buy them because of that and the fact that you have to climb over the engine to get out. South Korea also got a bunch of BMP3 after Russia defaulted on a debt to them. They don't actively use them because the armor is apparently much less than what is stated on paper. They did study it to develop the K21 though.
Wonder if some good ideas in the T-80U made it into the K2.
At one point the T-80U was the best MBT the Koreans had, even better than the K1
considering we've seen the T80 BVM get smoked in Ukraine by rounds that it should be "frontally immune" to. no the T80U was a steaming pile of shit compared to the K1
Because they're indian.
>Highly developed
Shitting in the street and sending corpses down the river would suggest otherwise.
>Rich culture
See above
>Strong economy
Sure. That’s why I could buy a palace in India for the price of a nice dinner back home.
>Scientists
Literally what has been invented in India, by Indians, since the British left?
They landed on the moon's south pole, shitting street got full so they're looking to colonize and build moon streets to shit in.
>Shitting in the street and sending corpses down the river would suggest otherwise.
How many bodies do you think there are in the Ganges now?
Would the entire riverbed just be a mattress of human bones?
I've seen genuine Indian chimpouts on /int/, you do not act like them, you are a bit over the top. Not saying exceptions are not possible but yeah
>Verification not required.
Inshallah, Allah wills it.
Because on an internal political level India is closer to a confederation than a single country and it has a bloated, ineffectual bureaucracy, those combined mean every government project is a knockdown, drag-out fight for approval and funding, everyone has a competing project, everyone wants a piece, and everything has to be approved and reapproved by committee after committee. And that's before you get to the corruption.
Because they are Indian.
Any more stupid ass fucking questions?
ChatJeetP, write me a story about a domestic Indian IFV from the perspective of the head of R&D clinging to the side of a train on his morning commute.
As the early morning sun cast its golden hues over the sprawling city of Chennai, Dr. Rajesh Verma clung to the side of the crowded commuter train, clutching a briefcase filled with top-secret documents. He was the head of Research and Development at Bharat Defence Systems, a prominent Indian defense company tasked with creating the next generation of military vehicles.
Each day, Dr. Verma commuted from his suburban home to the bustling heart of Chennai, where his company's research facility was located. His journey was an arduous one, involving a series of trains and buses that seemed to be in a perpetual state of overcrowding. But today was different; today, he had an epiphany.
As the train clacked along the tracks, its rhythmic motion stirred his mind. He had been pondering a new project for weeks, one that would revolutionize India's military capabilities. The government had recently issued a directive to develop a domestic Infantry Fighting Vehicle (IFV) capable of withstanding the challenges of modern warfare while maintaining cost-efficiency. Dr. Verma had been assigned to lead the project, and the weight of the responsibility had been keeping him awake at night.
Today, however, inspiration struck like lightning. He envisioned a compact, highly mobile IFV, armed with cutting-edge technology, and designed to navigate the challenging terrain of India's borders with ease. It would be a formidable machine, able to protect its crew and transport infantry troops swiftly.
His mind raced as he sketched designs in his notebook, the hum of the train and the chatter of fellow commuters serving as a backdrop to his creative frenzy. Dr. Verma knew that his idea was groundbreaking, but it also meant that he had to carefully guard his thoughts from prying eyes. The project's secrecy was paramount.
(cont.)
The train rattled to a halt at a station, and Dr. Verma, still lost in his thoughts, nearly lost his balance. He tightened his grip on the overhead railing, jostling the briefcase he held so dearly. His heart raced as he contemplated the magnitude of what he was about to undertake.
As the train continued its journey towards the city center, Dr. Verma couldn't shake the excitement and sense of urgency. The Indian Army needed a domestic IFV that could rival the best in the world, and he was determined to make it a reality. The technology, the design, and the ingenuity were all within his grasp, but it was a race against time.
Months turned into years as Dr. Verma and his team tirelessly worked on their project. They encountered obstacles, faced setbacks, and made sacrifices, but they never lost sight of their goal. Finally, the day came when they unveiled their creation to the world—the "Bharat Rakshak" IFV.
The Bharat Rakshak was a marvel of engineering, a versatile and heavily armored vehicle equipped with state-of-the-art weapons systems, advanced communication technology, and the ability to traverse any terrain with ease. It was a testament to Dr. Verma's dedication and the relentless pursuit of excellence.
The Indian Army was impressed, and the Bharat Rakshak IFV quickly became a symbol of India's growing military prowess. Dr. Verma, once the man clinging to a train for his morning commute, was now a national hero, celebrated for his vision and determination.
As he looked at the Bharat Rakshak in all its glory, Dr. Verma couldn't help but smile. He had transformed a simple train ride into a journey that had shaped the future of India's defense capabilities. The domestic IFV was more than a machine; it was a symbol of India's indomitable spirit and its ability to innovate and excel on the global stage.
>He tightened his grip on the overhead railing, jostling the briefcase he held so dearly. His heart raced as he contemplated the magnitude of what he was about to undertake.
Thought it was going to be "tightened his anus" and then something like "he couldn't hold on any longer and released his bowels on the train"...
The first Italian destroyer-IFV platform project took 5 years Ranjeet, what's your excuse? I thought 1 billion people and nearly triple the resources and GDP would expedite production?
Nobody cares about either of your shitty overly nationalist countries, fuck off out of PrepHole
what's the other one then?
>37 years for IFV
>20 years for ak clone but worse
>50 years for fighter jet
>40 years for tank
Retards.
Why is it that a nation of over a BILLION people can't produce anything noteworthy?
A nation of a BILLION people... that still uses the feudal caste system by which only 0.1% of the population is even allowed to innovate, and most of those are only allowed to work as part of massive commitees for minor improvements of ideas because rigid social structures means if you're more intelligent than your boss you must be kept in check, meaning at best 0.0000001% of the retards are even in a position to attempt to invent anything or question the design of things like this particular piece of shit.
I fucking wonder why that's not a winning formula!
Sorry your life turned out like that, Ranjesh. Hope you get a better reincarnation next time 🙂
To be fair they went from squabbling princedoms to being occupied for 150+ years by the bongs, the fact that they have to slowly find their way to modernity isn't that surprising as they've no experience of anything.
They weren't that backwards and aren't starting from scratch like Sub-Saharan African countries beyond East Africa. Japan and Korea were far, far more backwards prior to the 20th century.
India went out of its way to be economically isolationist and only started opening up at the start of the 1990s. They had ineffective central planning, and programs designed to store grain for emergencies would usually just lead to rotten or damaged grains because they couldn't even bother to store them properly.
why don't they all have toilets and in what year will they all have toilets?
>why don't they all have toilets and in what year will they all have toilets?
You really want to know the truth?
A lot of Hindu Indians genuinely believed that having a toilet in the home is unclean and therefore unholy. A few years ago there was even a Bollywood film made just to encourage and educate Indians into building toilets in their homes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toilet:_Ek_Prem_Katha
>the film received positive reviews and was a box office success, especially in China
Lmao
thanks a lot. im just baffled by the fact that their culture had this notion, this belief that basic sanitation is somehow unclean, despite all the countless contact with other civilizations and other cultures. it's one thing if your country spends centuries isolated existing in a remote area with little to no contact with Europe and its a whole damn nother if you are actually in touch with the world and still end up denying bathrooms. I just don't get it because it basically undermines the basic logic behind how society and culture works
lol
oops typo I meant to say contacts
Even the Japs had at least squat toilets with paper by the time this lad arrived. And they soon learned the value of the ceramic throne and began doing it better than the west.
yeah I did have the Japanese in mind when I mentioned isolated societies. what anime is that?
Dagashi Kashi, but this isn't the actual anime it's a screen grab from a segment detailing the origin of Ramune. Basically japanese carbonated lemonade.
thank u. saved it 🙂
>baffled by the fact that their culture had this notion, this belief that basic sanitation is somehow unclean
It's based on pre-plumbing technology.
In a time without sewage systems, a toilet is a sink for disease and in a rainforest, human waste will be swept away by natural processes.
Unfortunately, those givens are no longer valid.
you're right, that's part of the reason, but all societies and civilizations had to go through that phase, how come out of the hundreds and hundreds of them this false belief stuck only with the indians?
They were colonized by the british and associate indoor pooping with their oppressors.
thanks
God I love the Bofors 40mm.
India makes Pakistan look like heaven on earth. And Pakistan is fucking garbage!
Fuck off ChatJeetPT!
>India is so laughably corurpt it takes 40 fucking years to go from initial proposal to production model
>Super power by 2030
Good morning Sirs!
Benchod. Your maan conducts LOVE JIHAD with PAKIS.
Why I am? Bastard why are you in Kashmir and your mother in Lahore whorehouse?
Because it's the land of the almost adequate and the intersection of ambition with painful reality, where used TP is thrown in trash cans because the sewers can't handle wet tissue paper.
India is societally incapable of creating satisfactory indigenous products; the best that they can hope for is to (badly) copy existing products that were designed and built by competent people.
The only homegrown Indian product worth a shit is Pakistan, and even that required foreign assistance.
Bitch motherfucker India already makes armored vehicles.
I'm not spending time researching a shitty Indian armored car, what's the problem with these shitboxes?
It's the poo mobile. Just look at it.
>curry diarrhea camo lines
india is strong and has good military
Please understand sir. Doing things properly takes time.
I can't blame India for wanting to have a domestic MIC. I can blame them for being so horrendously bad at it they end up having to buy a schizophrenic mix of equipment from a bunch of other countries anyway.
Indian Abrams
What the shit?
India literally produces their own jets. do you underage cunts even have any clue how challenging it is to build your own modern and vastly capable jet from scratch, not requiring any country's help? jets are not like cars, tanks or APCs. they are one of the most complex pieces of tech out there, and India is able to make them
It is a Dassault jet based on 50 year old ideas.
>do you underage cunts even have any clue how challenging it is to build your own modern and vastly capable jet from scratch, not requiring any country's help?
Bruh, even Sweden does better with less than 1/100 of the population.
cmn, that isn't a fair comparison lol
How is it not fair. Sweden has historicaly been overachievers so I see no reson they shouldn't bee able to compete with the big nations despite the tiny manpower pool.
so does that mean I'm wrong? are you guys going to insult me now?
>IT'S INCREDIBLY CHALLENGING
>America did it
>Italy, Germany and the UK did it
>France did it
>Sweden did it
>NOOOOOO WE CAN'T DO IT IT'S TOO HARD
reminder that the combined population of every country involved in Panavia was still less than India, Rajesh.
They didn’t produce it themselves, they had dassualt’s help the entire time and still took fucking forever.
No.
I simply dislike blind nationalists.
For India.
okay that's fair, thank you for being a good sport
what are the reasons it dragged out for so long
Yes, and yes.
>they are one of the most complex pieces of tech out there
That isn't true at all.
I mean, what do you mean by "jets"?
You clearly are talking about 4th generation jets but India doesn't make those, it is a French design with parts from a dozen other states with India building just the shell and some simple systems.
And no, 4th generation jets aren't one of the most complicated things on the planet, examples of that tech is CPUs, GPUs, French VHTR NPPs or Russian SCR NPPs, sub-0.001 RCS airplanes, optical satellites, turbine engines from the top of the head and India doesn't produce any of those.
okay I apologize dude! I was misinformed. what about sixth generation jets? are they really complex and hard to make?
If a member of the FCAS project had a child when work officially started, that child will be finishing up college when the jet enters service.
Forgot to mention previously, currently, the most complicated project on the planet is ITER and India is working on it so there you go.
dude I hadn't even heard of that ITER thingy, thanks a lot, it's a captivating read... you've really educated me today
Yeah, it is a pre-demo fusion reactor that will pave the way for the future of humanity so everyone that can, wants in on it but I doubt everyone who has the know-how will have the money to do it considering how complex this stuff is going to be at first.
so what are the best UCAVs out there in your opinion
Reaper just by service record.
thank you 🙂
well I bet you won't stand a chance in a 1v1 against a tejas
>India literally produces their own jets
>Apart from the engines, radar, targeting systems, PGMs, ejection seats...
>modern and vastly capable jet
It's a fourth-generation. It's half a century behind 'modern'.
first of all fourth generation is only quarter-a-century outdated and secondly the indian jet is actually 4.5th generation which pushes it up on the same level as the b-2
okay how to make an engine? how to build it?
>the b-2
A bomber aircraft needs to have far different specs and doesn't necessitate the same QoL and advanced features required for a fighter, Rajesh.
installing a latch that opens up to let the bomb slide out and fall is more advanced than what a fighter jet has?
indian society revolves around poop.
They have holidays for poop. they invade hundreds of thousands of communities to spread poop.
Their govenment commissions music about poop.
They will only elect presidents that will let them poop in public more.
They dress and act in a way that makes them able to poop at any time and in any setting.
they draw the entirety of their modern culture, society, and religion from poop.
They post homemade gifs about poop. Exotic poop is a delicacy in India.
Indian immigrants have to be taught not to poop openly or rape. It rarely works.
India is the only country where Lethal Diarrheal disease affects the population significantly.
White programmers refer to indian programmers code as the "Code diaper".
They watch their home team because they know their home team poops openly, making them better than other teams.
Their biggest event of the year revolves around producing legendary amounts of human and cow poop and throwing it into eachother's mouths.
The slang term "Poopy" comes from the hindi language. Their cities are overrun with poop.
The ruling class fear what would happen if they infringed on the people's right to poop openly.
The right to poop openly is more important than the right to free speech, let alone an open internet.
They get so assblasted when this is brought up because to them, asking them to use a toilet, let alone wipe their ass is an act of cultural terrorism.
Their men shit openly in the streets then wipe their ass with their hands and immediately eat poop-laced food with no utensils.
They will swear to the day they die that the stench of poo in the street isn't bad, and that they only eat with their non-poopy hand,
but it will never cross their mind that street-shitting is wrong; They do not know that it's possible to live in a place where poop is not integral to life, religion, food, and culture, let alone be considered unsanitary.
India will always be a nation of poo loving poos.
Goddamn poopy cock!
pakigarden gnome society revolves around poop? true lol
that would be pakis
You're projecting, Pajeet.
why are you projecting pakigarden gnome?
>pakigarden gnome
You've lost it.
pakigarden gnome you should really stop seething
They're too busy shitting in the streets because of explosive diarrhea.
I genuinely can't tell if there's actual pajeets on this board now after the war or if people have gotten really good at impersonating them, either way I hate it and want them gone. I hope the chinks nukes New Delhi and Mumbai.
lol ESL roach you were rooting for Russia when this whole thing began because you thought they would win, but as soon as the tides turned you switched sides like the illiterate paki esl that you are
>ESL roach
It was 2:30 in the morning when I wrote that, I don't support wars of aggression and don't put words and/or ideologies in my mmouth. Anyways, Indian or faux-Indian provocateur get off my board.
so you're American then
Shut your schizo ass up.
indians strong
India has a powerful military
India strong