A slight cope, but i don't think full auto is all that useful, change my mind.

A slight cope, but i don't think full auto is all that useful, change my mind.

  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    its useful in exactly one kind of situation and its the kind of situation you want to avoid if at all possible.
    Urban CQB

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    My Army Ranger friend said that 95% of the time they’d use semi-auto, but when that 5% chance comes around, you really do want full auto.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this. full auto is only good for one thing, suppression. It's a necessity to some, but not all and certainly not always. Keeping a mf down for a crucial moment, but if you really want to PUT a mf down you gotta make those shots count, save for "when every motherfucker in the room" needs a bullet.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        nope, a machinegun is good for suppression, a rifle on full auto is only good for self-defense at inside-a-room-range, which is why it's 5% but you really do need it

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >full auto is only good for one thing, suppression
        Are we really gonna go through this discussion again? FA is a fucking godsend, you fuck. The point of full auto and burst fire is to increase hit probability. You say that shit like its totally wild and uncontrolable, well it isnt, unless your a limp wristed gay who is just trying to "conpromise" our fucking rights away like always. Ive seen machine guns shoot so flat youd think it was an airsoft gun with no recoil. Your just a gay anti-violence bitch who cant stand the power of the brrrttt. Machine guns are OP, I can kill a child with my fucking boots, I cant kill some gay in full body armor with a machine gun with my boots however, thats why a machinegun is necessary. They dont give a fuck about the kids, they just dont want anyone to be on par with them in terms of firepower, which is a direct violation of my second amendment rights.

        Fucking coward bitch boy.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >le suppression argument
        Not attacking you, but this needs to be dissected because there is always some variation of it floating around.
        If suppression = not killing, then why are they afraid of people having it?
        If suppression = getting kills, then why are anti-fullautofags downplaying it?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Ambushes. It significantly increases you as a force multiplier. The swat team coming to red flag you for not letting the public school teacher give your kid a state sponsored gender swap surgery need to outnumber you. They can't let people sway the odds against them in any way.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You use semi-auto most of the time but full-auto is still pretty useful for CQB and breaking contact, semi-auto just isn't anywhere near as good. People got very good use out of full-auto subguns in the past for CQB, just the same you can get the same benefit using an assault rifle.

      Exactly, you don't use it much, but it's just really fucking good for those minor times, it more than justifies your rifle/carbine having a fire selector.
      Three-round burst can kinda be used, but it's honestly awkward (especially with how guns like the M16 does it, where it makes your triggerpull much worse, affecting semi-auto use). It's really not hard to get some practice in to achieve short and controlled bursts in full-auto, especially given that full-auto infantry rifles these days are very easily controllable. Battle rifles are a bit of a different ballpark and requires a lot of focus on recoil control, but if you're carrying a full powered 7.62mm it should be an outright machinegun instead.

      You are correct.
      Even in the Armeh, we were all but forbidden of using FA in any other situation sans CQB enemy assaults.

      Clearly it was fucking useful if you were taught to employ it in CQB assaults, that shit isn't unimportant.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      all the accounts I heard say the same only need it for close quarters or breaking an ambush
      that said I remember watching some the forgotten weapons interview with ken hackathorn years ago and he was talking about teaching his trainees to only fire the mp5 in semi auto and full auto was only for when you flicked the fire selector past semi which I guess makes sense for cases where you'd use the mp5

      with how relatively unimportant full auto is makes me wonder why people care so much about binary triggers and stuff

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        1) Full-auto is fun.
        2) People want what they can't have.
        3) People think that things like that could serve as a substitute for full-auto (whether or not it actually does).

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        MP5 use case is kinda interesting, from what I've heard while a lot of institutions would pretty much just use them in FA they'd also just about always train them to use 2-3 round bursts(pretty common for other firearms too, but more situationally). These were tools largely for CQB operations after all, so the focus really wasn't about FA for suppression or laying an ambush but rather getting good effect on target out of 9mm on exposed targets at across the room distances. IMO this also makes the MP5 just about the most sensible choice for a binary trigger, those quick 2-4 round bursts are pretty much what you'd use the FA feature for anyways. The Ks in particular can really rattle off a 4 round burst quickly with them. Too bad the binaries on the market all have the HK tax on them and go for nearly 700.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lots of trigger time behind a dealer sample mk18 mod0 here. I could confidently put an entire magazine full auto into a 30 yard silhouette target. Shit was like a water hose. Saying full auto is useless is a gigacope

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah i mean, that's cool and all, but not necessary. In reality as a civilian how often would you need a bullet hose? for the fun factor sure, but for practical purposes? (X)

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        have a nice day glowmoron

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        For when cops get too uppity.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yup

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Was he any more dead after the 25th hit to the chest than he was after the 2nd or 3rd?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If you had infinite ammo and an extremely well fortified position, sure. But then you're just a target for artillery. It's best for suppression, like at chokepoints or for ambushing/breaking ambush.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Full auto on a rifle isn't that useful but you kinda need it on a machine gun.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You are correct.
    Even in the Armeh, we were all but forbidden of using FA in any other situation sans CQB enemy assaults.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Full auto is fantastic for suppression in short bursts, close-quarters work, and ambush and counter-ambush work.

    As a civilian, it would serve excellently for home defense in a submachine gun (something like a F/A PS90 or MP5 build is practically the final word in HD guns), especially suppressed, although the user would obviously need to practice to mitigate the risk of stray shots (you should fucking do that anyway though). Ambush/counter ambush would likely be the extent of most people’s lead-slinging against the Feds in any Big Stinky/Boogaloogarino scenario, despite the weird Tier 1 Operator CQC bullshit fantasies the market likes to peddle, but again, it’s a totally valid use, if you want to be able to do so.

    I own multiple MGs and train with them when I can. It’s not NECESSARY if you’re too poor or too cowardly to just ignore the law, but it’s a nice capability to have. And I love seeming people’s eyes light up when they shoot an MG for the first time.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it does serve excellently for home defense.
      it comes in the form of 00 buckshot
      15 pellets to the chest at 1600fps

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        A subgun is going to be generally easier to control. And let’s be honest here, way cooler. You can keep your Mossberg or what have you, I’ll reach for my select-fire PS90 any day.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's useful for running up on opps in chicago.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Even ISIS didn't use full auto running on their ops.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They literally did you gay, go watch some of their drive by shit.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    submachineguns (american 180 swarm of angry bees philosophy) especialy with armor piercing ammo (hk mp7 and p 90 for example) , cqb, mooving targets such as technicals or people running from cover to cover, demolishing cover (shooting a wall apart), flanking a squad, supressive fire.
    semiauto will get you through most of the time though
    ->unless you are using an LMG/squad automatic weapon or some other weapon like that. still adding a little lever for full auto is a massive gain for an ounce or two in weight.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    On a well-designed SMG (aka MP5 or a Swedish K, not the new pieces of shit like the Stribog) controlling 9mm recoil in full auto is almost nothing and you can accurately lay down fire within 25 yards no problem.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Two use cases: making someone super dead super fast in cqb, standing in for a proper machinegun by holding against a natural feature or structure.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >making someone super dead super fast
      Thats it, thats the entire purpose of it. Too many "old guard" muh one shot one kill purists in here.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        One shot of .223 is plenty powerful, but if you're at CQB range and you've got the opportunity on the target, giving him one or two more will absolutely make sure he's done for.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think it depends. In PPCs its a great thing to have particularly those that are loaded with AP ammo such as P90s and MP7s. For a rifle? eh chances are you're going to use it once or twice if ever.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What are your chances should you receive a 5 round burst to your chest while having lvl 4 armor?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Five round burst of what?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ughhh say 5.56

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >5 rounds of 5.56 to a lvl 4 plate
          >Bruised/10
          You'd live, but it wouldn't feel great.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      IIRC, level 4 plates are guaranteed to stop at least 3 consecutive impacts spaced no more than one inch apart. With 5 impacts you would probably be okay but there is a chance one of them would go through.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    if they legalized full auto, deaths in mass shootings would go down.

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    1] Full auto is a major boost for amateurs in CQB
    2] Full auto is an insignificant boost for professionals in CQB
    3] Full auto is a moderate boost for hitting crossing targets in the 25-75 meter range.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Full auto is an insignificant boost for professionals in CQB
      Professionals may disagree with you on that.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It is your only way to represent a larger force with a smaller one. The most important role of infantry is to close with the enemy and hold territory. Full auto belt feds are particularly well suited for this. Accuracy matters less at short range, and reload time matters more. So not having to reload at all with the same ammo load between a rifle and a belt fed is important. Given the narrow terrain infantry find themselves is, it is important to be able to make a single infantry unload as many bullets as deemed necessary, 300 spartans style.

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Eons ago i was taught (perhaps falsely) that fully automatic fire is preferable to semiautomatic fire in the following generic tasks;
    >suppression
    >CQB/MOUT/trenchrunning
    >both sides of an ambush
    >engaging low-flying aircraft (i assume they meant helicopters)

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Sage

    Have you ever fired a combat load on full auto?
    You know you can train and develop a good control over it, learning proper stance and not being a weak bitch

    It shouldn't be used past 100m, as there is no purpose nor point, and you obviously want semi auto controlled shots

    But in close quarters the immense overwhelming fire can help dominate and gain fire superiority when entering and clearing a room
    You can even switch back to semi if you want to be more controlled and accurate too if you want
    But if you are trained and know how to use if you can still be devastating especially in the initial entry of a room

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    LEGALIZE IT

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