Yes, if weight, stripper feeding and LOA and the rest are within The Colonel's parameters, >a rose is still a rose by any other name >uncle willy
You can call it Suzie for all I care. This thread won't last.
All I’m saying is that Cooper could have taken a lot of inspiration from the Jungle Bunny because aside from the LER scope, it basically ticks all of his boxes
To smart to need them. >jeff cooper totally didn't take all the data on short rifles from history and combine them into his idea of a cashgrab
Next you'll tell me he never heard of 7mm.
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Why on Earth would you need an assault comma? What are you, some kind of grammar Nazi?
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No civilian needs a semi-colon; they should only be used by trained government report writers
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Why on Earth would you need an assault comma? What are you, some kind of grammar Nazi?
I die a little every time someone uses it's when they meant its.
Foreign agents are often required to learn languages and in some countries it is almost impossible to pass as a local if you didn't grow up learning the language or are some savant polyglot.
The grammar nazis are consciously or not rooting out shills and other imposters however they ought to be focusing less on comate and more on idioms i.e. phrases and sayings that do not translate directly and often get jumbled by online translators.
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wooden colons anon. they used wooden colons and we’re supposed to believe the exclamation points couldn’t get out?
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Everyone benefits from the occasional grammer refresh
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I die a little every time someone uses it's when they meant its.
Mount a counter argument then
A No.5 will:
Stop anything man or game sized in the continental US
Meet Jeff’s length and weight requirement
Shoot from a sling
Shoot over excellent field peep sights
Be handy enough to be carried more than it’s fired
Feed from stripper clips
>any light service rifle
No. Must cleanly take every animal in NA. .223 is right out for several attributes. Also stripper fed. It's really more about the Philosophy of AWB. TOTAL ban was pending and his Scout _CONCEPT_ was the cope mechanism, andctotally valid one at that.
>Must cleanly take every animal in NA. .223 is right out
No, it literally isn't. You can take polar bear with a heavyweight bonded or monolithic projectile
>Stop anything man or game sized in the continental US >Meet Jeff’s length and weight requirement >Be handy enough to be carried more than it’s fired
A 7.62x39 or blackout could check all those boxes and bring down the weight with less material needed for the breach.
I can smell the lack of second amendment all over this post
Nobody with access to modern semiautos would ever consider a scout rifle, a 16" AR-10 + LPVO blows it out of the water.
Yes. As soon as I get my 63-tooth change gear from China so I can approximate SAE threads on my metric lathe, I'm turning a jungle carbine flash hider for my Scout.
>get a new rifle chambered in three oh hate with a stainless barrel and useful AICS mag compatibility ensuring reliable feeding and quality workmanship due to Ruger's high QC standards
>or buy a crusty old wood gun from a half century ago chambered in a dead caliber and will only cause more corrosion to your already rusty old shit gun made during wartime by feeble women and children in a cramped factory with pig iron and pot metal
I'm not suggesting a modern buyer gets a No.5 instead of a Ruger Scout, I'm saying that when you compare the two it's interesting how many features Cooper wanted that were on the Jungle Carbine and I wonder if he might have had one in his own collection. Note the word "MODERNIZED" in the OP
one of the main features that got lost with most modern Scout rifles is the "lightweight" element; The Ruger M77 Scout is about 8lbs. Those Jungle Carbines are probably more tho.
He wanted it chambered in God's caliber too, not gayy old blimey .303. Other than those guns being bolt action carbines they didn't really meet all the specs.
>Those Jungle Carbines are probably more tho.
7lbs 1oz. The Brits didn't fuck around with their lightening cuts - but what that figure doesn't tell you that is IMMEDIATELY obvious when you pick one up is the change to the balance of the rifle - they are incredibly well balanced and "pointable."
Reminder that Cooper's Scout rifle concept was just poor cope trying to make crusty fudds feel better about their cheap old surp because $100 Garands were too expensive for them.
According to Cooper himself it was a safari rifle project.
Dusty and dry savanna messes with repeaters and reduces you to either break or bolt action.
Its simply a question on which side of the isle you fall when it comes to weight, accuracy and cost i.e. bolt vs quick follow up shots and separate mechanism in case of a malfunction with the combination rifles.
Cooper was essentially trying to get manufacturing to design his dream rifle in exchange for hyped up marketing.
I liked scout rifles because they will soon ban semi autos in europe and at least we can probably still have "high" cap bolt actions for a few more years before everything is banned.
>Dusty and dry savanna messes with repeaters and reduces you to either break or bolt action.
Yeah I suppose if you're using something made in the 19th century
I liked scout rifles because they will soon ban semi autos in europe and at least we can probably still have "high" cap bolt actions for a few more years before everything is banned.
I want to see him take down a course of fire with one. Seen those Aussies run SMLE's better than 95% of people do with an AR15, so the platform is capable.
Scout rifles make complete sense in light of increasingly aggressive firearms regulation. If you don't like that, that's fine, but bitching that people are making the best decision possible in light of all other factors is retarded.
Just don't live in garden gnome York and Calicuckia. You go to prison for defending yourself there no matter what gun you use because they worship criminals.
WA is going that route, OR will soon follow. Look at the history of legislation in the US and how often other States chase CA. Unless or until the Supreme Court makes a hard ruling on many gun rights issues, such that States cannot draft laws that abridge gun rights, gun rights across the States will continue to erode.
I know what you're saying, and I know what that means, and yet Bruen only speaks to Bruen. Look at the legislation that passed after Bruen. Look at the legislation in the works now.
This is the conclusion I came to years ago. The modern iteration of a Scout rifle is basically any modern carbine. People who mess with Scout rifles seem to be just the people who are in band states. They're really not the right tool for any job. They're the right tool for a fantasy that doesn't exist. Hell, battle rifles are more versatile than a scout rifle.
Scout rifles want to be multi taskers, and while they can serve in that fashion, like any multi tasker, they aren't optimized for any one particular task. What they do excel at, though, is providing a decent platform for people who live in polities where a more modern, semi-automatic carbine is either no longer possible or becoming increasingly difficult.
The LPVO also killed the long focal plane 2-7 optic. That said, if you made it even lighter (4lbs with optic), chambered it 5.56 if could be a very compelling survival rifle.
Yeah, I think SR discussion gets bogged down when people get too tied to Coopers methods of achieving his intent. Cooper was a product of his time, and while I think the SR is a good concept for a general purpose rifle, he wasn't aware, couldn't be aware of, the technology available to the contemporary shooter. As such, it only makes sense to evolve the SR in line with his intent rather than the method with which he met that intent.
Scout rifles want to be multi taskers, and while they can serve in that fashion, like any multi tasker, they aren't optimized for any one particular task. What they do excel at, though, is providing a decent platform for people who live in polities where a more modern, semi-automatic carbine is either no longer possible or becoming increasingly difficult.
Semi-related; The ONLY pass I'll give memepuppers is states where SBR's are verboten, so to get the shorties, they're basically stuck with AUG's/RDB's/VHS's/etc.
Ok i swear this isnt fucking bait, can someone please explain to me how a modern "scout rifle" is superior to a fucking surp Bolt Action? I mean an actual good rifle, a Mauser 98 Type Rifle, a K11 or K31, Enfield etc. They are built like absolute tanks, are highly accurate, great irons, use stripper clips (Mauser and K11 Clips are actually faster than mag change, i fucking timed it) and are all faster cause of the action made for fast cycling. My K11 beats any Ruger Scout Rifle in quick handling, rate of fire, accuracy and reload speed and it can mount a fucking bayonet, its also not built for actual combat and not in the age of "bro if it breaks just return it, ThEy hAVe GReat CusToMEr SErvIce". Im fucking serious, why should i ever buy a Scout Rifle for like 1000 bucks if i can just buy an K11 for 200.
Modern Scout rifle is: >lighter >more accurate (service rifles are 3-5 depending on country save swiss bullshitery) >more corrosion resistant >can feed from larger detachable magazines (reload delta get fucked) >native scope mounts >free floated >Native bipod on free float barrel >Chambered in a common rounds with modern projectile construction
A scout rifle is not a combat rifle. Its a planes game hunting rifle. And a thoroughly outdated concept with the advent of accurate light weight autoloaders.
>fucking where
i am not gonna tell you, but there is a gun store near me that sells these (they still have five) in almost perfect condition for 280 each. But i got it with five stripper clips, an 1918 bayonet, two double mag pouches, sling and muzzle protector and 20 rounds of ammo for 280 so about 200 for the gun. >lighter
ok yeah >more accurate
lol no switzerland says no >corrosion resistant
how? mine is all blued steel and walnut >large magazine
loading takes literally one second >scope mount
there are scope mounts for K11, no tap >free floated
lol aluminium ring says fuck you >common rounds
yeah but also 7,5x55 is fucking great
all in all i thin a surp is still great when comapred to an scout rifle, but of course both are not combat rifles anymore. But if you can buy an K11, its fucking amazing
maybe thats because of where i live, but i have never had any problems with rust or a swelling stock. If you live in like fucking florida or something or close to saltwater, then yeah, those new materials offer better protection. About 7,5x55, GP11 is a match load, although i have to say i dont really shoot for accuracy. I can hit my target with these rifles as long as i can see it, thats enough for me, im not skilled enough to be a sniper. But you can load 7,5x55 with hunting rounds as well, lots of them here and they hit harder than 308 when loaded got. Also i legit dont care about free floating. The aluminium ring makes it so the stock doesnt touch the barrel, nothing more. You dont need a free floated handguard for accurate shooting if you are not doing high precision shooting, then its an advantage. Also i have only heard good things about the scope mounts, but i dont like scopes anyway
>never swells
Not swole, no gains and a rifle that perfectly encapsulates the oh so ironic romantic retro futurism.
Its no surprise that someone raised on plastic feeding bottles would be a Tless cretin who rejects the superior aesthetic of glow in the noit vision wood and stamped manliness so edgy you cut yourself already on it.
>A scout rifle is not a combat rifle. Its a planes game hunting rifle.
Someone said the scout rifle concept was a pistol shooter's idea of a rifle and that's so accurate. A true scout rifle is a lightweight hunting rifle, the kind that elk hunters take high into the mountains. If you want a semi-auto in a rifle cartridge, go for it. The whole concept seems much more like a way to skirt gun control laws instead of something maximally efficient.
Are you going to drill and tap your K11 for a scope or rail? Because the modern scout rifle is already set up for that. K11s and K31s are great guns. I have them. They aren't sub MOA though and neither is that Ruger or equivalent. There isn't a whole lot of real world practical difference between a 2 and 3 MOA gun like there would be between a sub MOA and 3 MOA gun so accuracy isn't quite as big of a deal here. You gets points for build quality however if a part breaks (everything made by man breaks eventually), you're going to have a tougher time finding replacement parts for the surp than you will the current production gun.
Yeah and guess what we're beginning to run out of. Swiss don't make it anymore. Even with gp11, they're about 2 MOA. Maybe can cherry pick a 1 MOA grouping at 100 with enough time and ammo. They are laser pointers relatively speaking to other surps but even still lacking when compared to modern rifles.
>Swiss don't make it anymore.
Actually they do, they still use it in machine guns and they still do production runs with spillover to supply the club matches every weekend that reservists - ie, just about every Swiss male - go and shoot each Saturday morning in the shooting range that basically every Swiss village has
there is a swiss scope mount without drilling or tapping. Its put in place with the two forward takedown screws on the bottom and is secure, pretty cool. But no, i like shooting irons and dont wanna ruin the aesthetic. Also i kinda disagree about the parts, im basically sitting at the source and i can get any part for a few bucks, with these new rifles you often have to send a mail to the manufacturer and have to wait for the part to arrive
most surplus boltguns are quite heavy and also are generally inferior to modern bolt guns. just because they have SOVL doesn't mean a ruger american wont wipe the floor with them.
yes they are "heavy", but they are perfectly balanced. My FN Model 1950 is so balanced that you dont even feel any weight while pointing it. Also they have a much faster rate of fire due to the bolt design and are built much stronger and robust. I will take a match against a Ruger American with my K11 OR Model1950 any day and i will win. Also good stripper clips are faster than mag changes and there are 12 rounds mags for K11 and K31
They are not that heavy though. They are like 3,8 kg, if you cant carry that on your back all day the problem is with you. I carried sticks that were heavier, its not like they wear 5 or 6 kg
Just because you CAN does not mean you should. You are also carry more than just a rifle in the field. Saving a few pounds or having an optic are huge benefits. Weapon weight also becomes a huge factor when you are holding the gun in the low ready for a long duration.
Seriously, they are fast as fuck. You put it in, strip them off, close the bolt. With a mag change you have to take out mag, put new mag in, cycle bolt. Also Stripper clips are far lighter and smaller. When you go "high capacity" like 30 rounds its faster to change a mag since you would have to load like 5 Stripper clips, but when talking about 5-10 rounds, stripper clips are faster
I just keep the bolt open in both cases... Am I retarded? Even though I bought smelly clips, for the life of me I can't seem to smoothly feed them, so I don't know if I bought wrong ones for my Aussie MkIII(I think?), if they/the gun need cleaning, or I just suck, OR, magazines are just the superior option all around.
Regardless, I respect people that can run the old bolt guns fast, I'm too much of a zoomer apparently, and I was born in 1994 :/
smelly clips are notoriously shit, much like british sexuality and their teeth they just cant make something straight work. Mauser Clips are far better, and K11/K31 Clips are just amazing. BTW, what kind of smelly do you have, thinking of getting one myself next. If you wanna run a bolt gun fast without much training or bullshit buy a swiss straight pull, just back and forth
Picrel. Ignore the mess, I'm cleaning the basement and getting ready to reenamel some stuff, but, anyways, I think it's an Aussie Mk.III of some description. I like it, even if it's all beat up. Gives it "character" and all that.
I was actually thinking of getting a straight-pull at some point, and almost did buy one last year, I think it was a K31 funnily enough, but I think it was mislabeled because the tag said "6.5mm" but when I looked at the markings, it was clearly a .30 cal of some sort, so I kinda just scoffed at it for not being what I thought. I went back to that same place recently and the price jumped, so fuck me I guess.
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Says "Australia" in a few places, like picrel, so I assume it comes from a land down unda.
Thats a really nice rifle anon, congratualtions! As for the swiss, either get an K31 or K11. K31 has stronger action and more aftermarket accessoires, but the K11 is smoother and technically only the K11 is an "Schmidr Rubin" Rifle. Both shoot 7,5x55 Swiss, if you see them in another Caliber be wary, the swiss never chambered them in anything else so conversions are done by bubba and his hacksaw. Also they all have superb triggers, 1500 grams of resistance and smooth as fuck. Just excellent craftmansship, dont know how much they cost where you are but here they go for 200 for an K11 in mint condition
Picrel. Ignore the mess, I'm cleaning the basement and getting ready to reenamel some stuff, but, anyways, I think it's an Aussie Mk.III of some description. I like it, even if it's all beat up. Gives it "character" and all that.
I was actually thinking of getting a straight-pull at some point, and almost did buy one last year, I think it was a K31 funnily enough, but I think it was mislabeled because the tag said "6.5mm" but when I looked at the markings, it was clearly a .30 cal of some sort, so I kinda just scoffed at it for not being what I thought. I went back to that same place recently and the price jumped, so fuck me I guess.
Says "Australia" in a few places, like picrel, so I assume it comes from a land down unda.
Sounds like someone has coated the smelly clips. Get that shit off.
smelly clips are notoriously shit, much like british sexuality and their teeth they just cant make something straight work. Mauser Clips are far better, and K11/K31 Clips are just amazing. BTW, what kind of smelly do you have, thinking of getting one myself next. If you wanna run a bolt gun fast without much training or bullshit buy a swiss straight pull, just back and forth
Only in the USA, where retards coat them in a variety of shit. Everywhere else they just werk
Because it pisses you, specifically, (You), off. We all had a chat about it and frankly are kinda shitty it took you this loong to reply so we'll probably do this again in April some time.
they're cool and indeed very light but honestly i think they're a bit of a meme. whats most annoying about them is that they use some archaic, proprietary muzzle threading.
>Oh no, they're talking about guns, and guns to carry innawoods and shoot, not masturbate and measure my refractory time between erections each time I move my Unity mount two rail spaces!
milsurp is history and something completely different from modern guns. With milsurp you get a piece of history, a true weapon of war from all around the world, all completely different and every single piece unique with its own marks, bruises and stories. Milsurp is not just about shooting really cool guns, its about history, about all the mechanical features and the development, different doctrines that went into the making of these guns. Milsurps truly do have a soul, they are treasures and something you gift to your children and their children. My 91 year old K11 will last, it will outrun your utility rifles and one day in the future my grand-grand-children will shoot some fucking deer with it and because thats what milsurp is about >TLDR
Fuck you consoomer zoom-zoom gay
you just want to be an army man
you just want to be an army man
you just want to be an army man
YOU JUST WANT TO BE AN ARMY MAN
YOU HAVE NOT GROWN UP AT ALL AND ARE STILL A CHILD.
I would absolutely consider an original M16A1 or a A2 or one of the old AR15 milsurp, but most of the Ar15 on the market are newer production, so no to me those dont count
Could've at least covered the trigger internals, but otherwise, I'm not even mad. I would buy even but I just KNOW it's stupidly priced and the dying boomer selling it is the typical "I KNOW WHAT I GOT SONNY".
I just need the 2nd front barrel band, which is exclusive to the MkV, so I’ve pretty much given up on that. Luckily it isn’t integral. Maybe one day I’ll come across one or have one fabricated. I have all the other parts, but I’ve had issues with getting the stock fit correctly and it frustrated me so I put everything in my closet and will have another go at it sometime later, probably after I buy a house and actually have a dedicated workshop. I suspect the new stock wasn’t made correctly or something, there’s too much of a gap between the handguard and the rest of the stock. I probably should’ve just spent the extra money and bought an intact one. I thought this would be a lot easier to restore.
I’d post more pics but they’re on my phone, and someone that apparently shares my IP address when phoneposting got banned on /jp/ for spamming BBC.
>I’d post more pics but they’re on my phone, and someone that apparently shares my IP address when phoneposting got banned on /jp/ for spamming BBC.
Truly a heavy cross to bear. But jokes aside, holy fuck anon that's still fantastic and given how few of the fucking things must be left you're still doing god's work putting it back how it should be.
The battle sight is pretty cool and unique looking. The sight picture is basically the same as a P14 or 1917 when it’s flipped up though. It’s basically the same rear sight piece, in fact I needed to replace the spring in the sliding adjustment piece and I just used one that was for an m1917.
Yeah
Ozgunsales DETECTED
Well each photo gives it away
You are quite the detective
Yes, if weight, stripper feeding and LOA and the rest are within The Colonel's parameters,
>a rose is still a rose by any other name
>uncle willy
You can call it Suzie for all I care. This thread won't last.
All I’m saying is that Cooper could have taken a lot of inspiration from the Jungle Bunny because aside from the LER scope, it basically ticks all of his boxes
>he could have taken ideas from a Karabiner version of a service rifle from wwii
Damn, someone should let him know.
He’s dead, fuckstick, where’s your Ouija board?
Damn you're dense.
I’m not the one omitting commas, dickhead.
To smart to need them.
>jeff cooper totally didn't take all the data on short rifles from history and combine them into his idea of a cashgrab
Next you'll tell me he never heard of 7mm.
PrepHole - Weapons and Grammar
Why on Earth would you need an assault comma? What are you, some kind of grammar Nazi?
No civilian needs a semi-colon; they should only be used by trained government report writers
Foreign agents are often required to learn languages and in some countries it is almost impossible to pass as a local if you didn't grow up learning the language or are some savant polyglot.
The grammar nazis are consciously or not rooting out shills and other imposters however they ought to be focusing less on comate and more on idioms i.e. phrases and sayings that do not translate directly and often get jumbled by online translators.
wooden colons anon. they used wooden colons and we’re supposed to believe the exclamation points couldn’t get out?
Everyone benefits from the occasional grammer refresh
I die a little every time someone uses it's when they meant its.
Ok Suzie
>a light rifle is just a light rifle
I weep for this generation
Mount a counter argument then
A No.5 will:
Stop anything man or game sized in the continental US
Meet Jeff’s length and weight requirement
Shoot from a sling
Shoot over excellent field peep sights
Be handy enough to be carried more than it’s fired
Feed from stripper clips
So like any light service rifle of the time? How innovative.
>any light service rifle
No. Must cleanly take every animal in NA. .223 is right out for several attributes. Also stripper fed. It's really more about the Philosophy of AWB. TOTAL ban was pending and his Scout _CONCEPT_ was the cope mechanism, andctotally valid one at that.
>production dates of the Jungle Carbine
>march 1944 to december 1947
>but muh .223
Alright
>Must cleanly take every animal in NA. .223 is right out
No, it literally isn't. You can take polar bear with a heavyweight bonded or monolithic projectile
>Stop anything man or game sized in the continental US
>Meet Jeff’s length and weight requirement
>Be handy enough to be carried more than it’s fired
A 7.62x39 or blackout could check all those boxes and bring down the weight with less material needed for the breach.
You missed:
Not retain zero.
Fuck off nogunz.
That's largely a fudd myth from post war. Post your No.5
Cope and seeth.
Cope, seethe, and dilate, Trantifa tourist
>recites fuss myths
>calls others noguns
Oh dear
what's the deal with the forward optic i never got the point of this
Can't let those pesky ninjas sneak in through the peripheries
Again, opens action for stripper feed and Bindon Aiming Concept.
>scout rifle is just
a snake oil pitch of autistic boomer trying to sell shit to mouthbreathing Soldier of Fortune subscribers
Fucking retarded, cynical, zoomer fuck stick.
Back to leftypol comrade
>I gangrape small children, that makes me the good guy that btfos nazis
Genuinely baffled by this image
>I gangrape small children, that makes me the good guy that btfos nazis
I don't know shit about Rhodesia but I would gladly kill the sick fuck that draw this horror.
He also forgot to add the panel were the morons starved because they got rid of the whites
I'm glad Zimbabwe is starving to death.
Look up the reparations
Yeah, the amazing military minds of the natives finally won out, not due at all thanks to their 15,000:1 manpower advantage.
I can smell the lack of second amendment all over this post
Nobody with access to modern semiautos would ever consider a scout rifle, a 16" AR-10 + LPVO blows it out of the water.
>Nobody
God, why are people so dumb?
because they're gay children who know very little about firearms, otherwise they'd recognize the inherent advantages of a bolt action
+1 for your Scout, you are a man of high IQ.
Thx.
>our regulations will blot out the sun
>then we will shoot in the shade
That looks like a fun range day
Before the SFAR, a typical AR10 with an LPVO is gonna be 10lbs+ loaded. Not ideal for long distance anything.
It's a miles better "do it all rifle" than a fuckin bolty unless you don't plan on shooting anything that is going to shoot back.
>No fun allowed
That’s not what happened.
Yes. As soon as I get my 63-tooth change gear from China so I can approximate SAE threads on my metric lathe, I'm turning a jungle carbine flash hider for my Scout.
any normal semi-auto > scout rifle
>any normie semi-auto > scout rifle
How unimaginative, what a boring life. My life goes to 11.
What does that taste like
>he doesn't spinal tap
Figures.
>get a new rifle chambered in three oh hate with a stainless barrel and useful AICS mag compatibility ensuring reliable feeding and quality workmanship due to Ruger's high QC standards
>or buy a crusty old wood gun from a half century ago chambered in a dead caliber and will only cause more corrosion to your already rusty old shit gun made during wartime by feeble women and children in a cramped factory with pig iron and pot metal
Yeah basically the same thing
oh and pay +$400 more for the rusty shitgun
K E K
I'm not suggesting a modern buyer gets a No.5 instead of a Ruger Scout, I'm saying that when you compare the two it's interesting how many features Cooper wanted that were on the Jungle Carbine and I wonder if he might have had one in his own collection. Note the word "MODERNIZED" in the OP
one of the main features that got lost with most modern Scout rifles is the "lightweight" element; The Ruger M77 Scout is about 8lbs. Those Jungle Carbines are probably more tho.
He wanted it chambered in God's caliber too, not gayy old blimey .303. Other than those guns being bolt action carbines they didn't really meet all the specs.
>Those Jungle Carbines are probably more tho.
7lbs 1oz. The Brits didn't fuck around with their lightening cuts - but what that figure doesn't tell you that is IMMEDIATELY obvious when you pick one up is the change to the balance of the rifle - they are incredibly well balanced and "pointable."
>not gayy old blimey .303
Fuck you. Rule Britannia an sheit
Reminder that Cooper's Scout rifle concept was just poor cope trying to make crusty fudds feel better about their cheap old surp because $100 Garands were too expensive for them.
According to Cooper himself it was a safari rifle project.
Dusty and dry savanna messes with repeaters and reduces you to either break or bolt action.
Its simply a question on which side of the isle you fall when it comes to weight, accuracy and cost i.e. bolt vs quick follow up shots and separate mechanism in case of a malfunction with the combination rifles.
Cooper was essentially trying to get manufacturing to design his dream rifle in exchange for hyped up marketing.
Bolt actions are ideal suppressor hosts.
>Dusty and dry savanna messes with repeaters and reduces you to either break or bolt action.
Yeah I suppose if you're using something made in the 19th century
>ruger doesnt make a .303 m77
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
I liked scout rifles because they will soon ban semi autos in europe and at least we can probably still have "high" cap bolt actions for a few more years before everything is banned.
The indian jungle carbine will blow your mind.
More like blow up in your hand
the scout rifle is probably the dumbest fudd concept ever invented.
based and revolution pilled, the digits have spoken
It was the result of Cooper's incessant fudd-daydreaming about fantasy "survival" scenarios which have never, ever happened.
And yet still results in the finest general purpose rifleman's rifle made. Imagine, just as he planned.
I want to see him take down a course of fire with one. Seen those Aussies run SMLE's better than 95% of people do with an AR15, so the platform is capable.
General purpose? Yeah? You can do CQB against dudes armed with automatic rifles with it?
>You can do CQB against dudes armed with automatic rifles
A gamer, I see. Yes, GENERAL PURPOSE.
Ruger Scout doesn't compare to the Steyr Scout that Col Cooper had a hand in.
Scout rifles make complete sense in light of increasingly aggressive firearms regulation. If you don't like that, that's fine, but bitching that people are making the best decision possible in light of all other factors is retarded.
Just don't live in garden gnome York and Calicuckia. You go to prison for defending yourself there no matter what gun you use because they worship criminals.
WA is going that route, OR will soon follow. Look at the history of legislation in the US and how often other States chase CA. Unless or until the Supreme Court makes a hard ruling on many gun rights issues, such that States cannot draft laws that abridge gun rights, gun rights across the States will continue to erode.
Bro the SC already handed down Bruen I don't think they can make it any more unambiguous
I know what you're saying, and I know what that means, and yet Bruen only speaks to Bruen. Look at the legislation that passed after Bruen. Look at the legislation in the works now.
This is the conclusion I came to years ago. The modern iteration of a Scout rifle is basically any modern carbine. People who mess with Scout rifles seem to be just the people who are in band states. They're really not the right tool for any job. They're the right tool for a fantasy that doesn't exist. Hell, battle rifles are more versatile than a scout rifle.
Scout rifles want to be multi taskers, and while they can serve in that fashion, like any multi tasker, they aren't optimized for any one particular task. What they do excel at, though, is providing a decent platform for people who live in polities where a more modern, semi-automatic carbine is either no longer possible or becoming increasingly difficult.
The LPVO also killed the long focal plane 2-7 optic. That said, if you made it even lighter (4lbs with optic), chambered it 5.56 if could be a very compelling survival rifle.
Yeah, I think SR discussion gets bogged down when people get too tied to Coopers methods of achieving his intent. Cooper was a product of his time, and while I think the SR is a good concept for a general purpose rifle, he wasn't aware, couldn't be aware of, the technology available to the contemporary shooter. As such, it only makes sense to evolve the SR in line with his intent rather than the method with which he met that intent.
>What Would Cooper Do
>Polymer frame 18" Rem 700
>mid Vortex LPVO
>Carbon barrel
>Shill on garden gnometube
>$5000 on Brownells
Yes, anon. I understand the concept upset you and you want to meme. I am happy that you have something in your life that brings you joy.
Semi-related; The ONLY pass I'll give memepuppers is states where SBR's are verboten, so to get the shorties, they're basically stuck with AUG's/RDB's/VHS's/etc.
Anybody hunt with .303? Is it capable?
>150cpr
Canadian moose only permits are still avalable.
No. Won't even wound an antelope. Need 300 Win mag at a MINIMUM for whitetail.
Ok i swear this isnt fucking bait, can someone please explain to me how a modern "scout rifle" is superior to a fucking surp Bolt Action? I mean an actual good rifle, a Mauser 98 Type Rifle, a K11 or K31, Enfield etc. They are built like absolute tanks, are highly accurate, great irons, use stripper clips (Mauser and K11 Clips are actually faster than mag change, i fucking timed it) and are all faster cause of the action made for fast cycling. My K11 beats any Ruger Scout Rifle in quick handling, rate of fire, accuracy and reload speed and it can mount a fucking bayonet, its also not built for actual combat and not in the age of "bro if it breaks just return it, ThEy hAVe GReat CusToMEr SErvIce". Im fucking serious, why should i ever buy a Scout Rifle for like 1000 bucks if i can just buy an K11 for 200.
Just buy both then. $1000 and $1200 are basically the same thing.
But i dont have fucking 1200 anon. Ammo is expensive, plus you need stripper clips or magazines and shieeet.
>inb4 lul u took le b8
>buy an K11 for 200
Fucking Where? imma buy 10
Modern Scout rifle is:
>lighter
>more accurate (service rifles are 3-5 depending on country save swiss bullshitery)
>more corrosion resistant
>can feed from larger detachable magazines (reload delta get fucked)
>native scope mounts
>free floated
>Native bipod on free float barrel
>Chambered in a common rounds with modern projectile construction
A scout rifle is not a combat rifle. Its a planes game hunting rifle. And a thoroughly outdated concept with the advent of accurate light weight autoloaders.
>fucking where
i am not gonna tell you, but there is a gun store near me that sells these (they still have five) in almost perfect condition for 280 each. But i got it with five stripper clips, an 1918 bayonet, two double mag pouches, sling and muzzle protector and 20 rounds of ammo for 280 so about 200 for the gun.
>lighter
ok yeah
>more accurate
lol no switzerland says no
>corrosion resistant
how? mine is all blued steel and walnut
>large magazine
loading takes literally one second
>scope mount
there are scope mounts for K11, no tap
>free floated
lol aluminium ring says fuck you
>common rounds
yeah but also 7,5x55 is fucking great
all in all i thin a surp is still great when comapred to an scout rifle, but of course both are not combat rifles anymore. But if you can buy an K11, its fucking amazing
>blued steel and walnut
Yeah and a Steyr Scout is Manox/Tenifer with a polymer stock that never swells. Way better protection.
>7,5x55 is fucking great
And 6.5 Sneed/308 are better with modern high BC and/or terminal effect projectiles
>lol aluminium ring says fuck you
no. you don't understand
>there are scope mounts for K11, no tap
And they suck.
maybe thats because of where i live, but i have never had any problems with rust or a swelling stock. If you live in like fucking florida or something or close to saltwater, then yeah, those new materials offer better protection. About 7,5x55, GP11 is a match load, although i have to say i dont really shoot for accuracy. I can hit my target with these rifles as long as i can see it, thats enough for me, im not skilled enough to be a sniper. But you can load 7,5x55 with hunting rounds as well, lots of them here and they hit harder than 308 when loaded got. Also i legit dont care about free floating. The aluminium ring makes it so the stock doesnt touch the barrel, nothing more. You dont need a free floated handguard for accurate shooting if you are not doing high precision shooting, then its an advantage. Also i have only heard good things about the scope mounts, but i dont like scopes anyway
>never swells
Not swole, no gains and a rifle that perfectly encapsulates the oh so ironic romantic retro futurism.
Its no surprise that someone raised on plastic feeding bottles would be a Tless cretin who rejects the superior aesthetic of glow in the noit vision wood and stamped manliness so edgy you cut yourself already on it.
>A scout rifle is not a combat rifle. Its a planes game hunting rifle.
Someone said the scout rifle concept was a pistol shooter's idea of a rifle and that's so accurate. A true scout rifle is a lightweight hunting rifle, the kind that elk hunters take high into the mountains. If you want a semi-auto in a rifle cartridge, go for it. The whole concept seems much more like a way to skirt gun control laws instead of something maximally efficient.
Are you going to drill and tap your K11 for a scope or rail? Because the modern scout rifle is already set up for that. K11s and K31s are great guns. I have them. They aren't sub MOA though and neither is that Ruger or equivalent. There isn't a whole lot of real world practical difference between a 2 and 3 MOA gun like there would be between a sub MOA and 3 MOA gun so accuracy isn't quite as big of a deal here. You gets points for build quality however if a part breaks (everything made by man breaks eventually), you're going to have a tougher time finding replacement parts for the surp than you will the current production gun.
GP11 is the secret sauce to the 96/11/31 series. match grade, lubricated ammo made to swiss standards is something to behold.
Yeah and guess what we're beginning to run out of. Swiss don't make it anymore. Even with gp11, they're about 2 MOA. Maybe can cherry pick a 1 MOA grouping at 100 with enough time and ammo. They are laser pointers relatively speaking to other surps but even still lacking when compared to modern rifles.
>Swiss don't make it anymore.
Actually they do, they still use it in machine guns and they still do production runs with spillover to supply the club matches every weekend that reservists - ie, just about every Swiss male - go and shoot each Saturday morning in the shooting range that basically every Swiss village has
there is a swiss scope mount without drilling or tapping. Its put in place with the two forward takedown screws on the bottom and is secure, pretty cool. But no, i like shooting irons and dont wanna ruin the aesthetic. Also i kinda disagree about the parts, im basically sitting at the source and i can get any part for a few bucks, with these new rifles you often have to send a mail to the manufacturer and have to wait for the part to arrive
Sitting at the source? Switzerland?
>superior to a fucking surp Bolt Action?
most surplus boltguns are quite heavy and also are generally inferior to modern bolt guns. just because they have SOVL doesn't mean a ruger american wont wipe the floor with them.
yes they are "heavy", but they are perfectly balanced. My FN Model 1950 is so balanced that you dont even feel any weight while pointing it. Also they have a much faster rate of fire due to the bolt design and are built much stronger and robust. I will take a match against a Ruger American with my K11 OR Model1950 any day and i will win. Also good stripper clips are faster than mag changes and there are 12 rounds mags for K11 and K31
>Match
>Scout rifle
That's not the point. You are supposed to hike all day with this rifle. Is for a safari type scenario.
They are not that heavy though. They are like 3,8 kg, if you cant carry that on your back all day the problem is with you. I carried sticks that were heavier, its not like they wear 5 or 6 kg
Just because you CAN does not mean you should. You are also carry more than just a rifle in the field. Saving a few pounds or having an optic are huge benefits. Weapon weight also becomes a huge factor when you are holding the gun in the low ready for a long duration.
>kg
Oh you're a euro, that explains how you found swiss guns below $600
>Mauser and K11 Clips are actually faster than mag change
DOUBT
Seriously, they are fast as fuck. You put it in, strip them off, close the bolt. With a mag change you have to take out mag, put new mag in, cycle bolt. Also Stripper clips are far lighter and smaller. When you go "high capacity" like 30 rounds its faster to change a mag since you would have to load like 5 Stripper clips, but when talking about 5-10 rounds, stripper clips are faster
I just keep the bolt open in both cases... Am I retarded? Even though I bought smelly clips, for the life of me I can't seem to smoothly feed them, so I don't know if I bought wrong ones for my Aussie MkIII(I think?), if they/the gun need cleaning, or I just suck, OR, magazines are just the superior option all around.
Regardless, I respect people that can run the old bolt guns fast, I'm too much of a zoomer apparently, and I was born in 1994 :/
smelly clips are notoriously shit, much like british sexuality and their teeth they just cant make something straight work. Mauser Clips are far better, and K11/K31 Clips are just amazing. BTW, what kind of smelly do you have, thinking of getting one myself next. If you wanna run a bolt gun fast without much training or bullshit buy a swiss straight pull, just back and forth
Picrel. Ignore the mess, I'm cleaning the basement and getting ready to reenamel some stuff, but, anyways, I think it's an Aussie Mk.III of some description. I like it, even if it's all beat up. Gives it "character" and all that.
I was actually thinking of getting a straight-pull at some point, and almost did buy one last year, I think it was a K31 funnily enough, but I think it was mislabeled because the tag said "6.5mm" but when I looked at the markings, it was clearly a .30 cal of some sort, so I kinda just scoffed at it for not being what I thought. I went back to that same place recently and the price jumped, so fuck me I guess.
Thats a really nice rifle anon, congratualtions! As for the swiss, either get an K31 or K11. K31 has stronger action and more aftermarket accessoires, but the K11 is smoother and technically only the K11 is an "Schmidr Rubin" Rifle. Both shoot 7,5x55 Swiss, if you see them in another Caliber be wary, the swiss never chambered them in anything else so conversions are done by bubba and his hacksaw. Also they all have superb triggers, 1500 grams of resistance and smooth as fuck. Just excellent craftmansship, dont know how much they cost where you are but here they go for 200 for an K11 in mint condition
I do love my K31
Says "Australia" in a few places, like picrel, so I assume it comes from a land down unda.
Sounds like someone has coated the smelly clips. Get that shit off.
Only in the USA, where retards coat them in a variety of shit. Everywhere else they just werk
its 2023 why are we STILL talking about scout rifles?
Because gun legislation keeps getting worse.
Because it pisses you, specifically, (You), off. We all had a chat about it and frankly are kinda shitty it took you this loong to reply so we'll probably do this again in April some time.
Are Steyr Scouts even good? they cost a fortune
they're cool and indeed very light but honestly i think they're a bit of a meme. whats most annoying about them is that they use some archaic, proprietary muzzle threading.
milsurp gays are insufferable
>Oh no, they're talking about guns, and guns to carry innawoods and shoot, not masturbate and measure my refractory time between erections each time I move my Unity mount two rail spaces!
milsurp is history and something completely different from modern guns. With milsurp you get a piece of history, a true weapon of war from all around the world, all completely different and every single piece unique with its own marks, bruises and stories. Milsurp is not just about shooting really cool guns, its about history, about all the mechanical features and the development, different doctrines that went into the making of these guns. Milsurps truly do have a soul, they are treasures and something you gift to your children and their children. My 91 year old K11 will last, it will outrun your utility rifles and one day in the future my grand-grand-children will shoot some fucking deer with it and because thats what milsurp is about
>TLDR
Fuck you consoomer zoom-zoom gay
you just want to be an army man
you just want to be an army man
you just want to be an army man
YOU JUST WANT TO BE AN ARMY MAN
YOU HAVE NOT GROWN UP AT ALL AND ARE STILL A CHILD.
Real schizo-posting hours
>you want to be an army man
lol no, not gonna die for a gay empire
>you are still a child
mentally yes, but legally no and thus you cant stop me
Can the AR15 be considered milsurp now? You can get surplus parts and the design is 50+ years old at this point...?
I would absolutely consider an original M16A1 or a A2 or one of the old AR15 milsurp, but most of the Ar15 on the market are newer production, so no to me those dont count
Fair enough. I wonder if SR25's will still cost $15k or whatever 20 years from now, kek.
but not as sexy
Jesus haha
kinda digging it not gonna lie. which gun show was that?
cursed image
Could've at least covered the trigger internals, but otherwise, I'm not even mad. I would buy even but I just KNOW it's stupidly priced and the dying boomer selling it is the typical "I KNOW WHAT I GOT SONNY".
why the fuck is that 600$ ruger going for almost 2 grand what in the fuck
It's dollarydoos - you've got the exchange rate and a cuntardry approach to firearms imports to affect it.
I thought the scout had to be bolt and not semi or select fire.
>select fire bolt action.
A pistol is just a shorter rifle, mostly using a smaller bullet. Change my mind.
>tfw bought my No.5 Enfield for 700
>excellent condition,
>matching serials
>date of pruduction: April 1945
Fucking sweet, anon. Got a pic? Does it hold zero?
are there any modern bolt guns besides the ruger gunsite that aren't 2k+ and have irons?
The fuck is up with the prices? Bought mine a few months back for 500 eurobucks.
Australian market is different.
>luv me No5 Mk1
>luv me Enfields
simple as
>dat bottom rifle
Anon you motherfucker
How many more parts do you need to hunt down?
I just need the 2nd front barrel band, which is exclusive to the MkV, so I’ve pretty much given up on that. Luckily it isn’t integral. Maybe one day I’ll come across one or have one fabricated. I have all the other parts, but I’ve had issues with getting the stock fit correctly and it frustrated me so I put everything in my closet and will have another go at it sometime later, probably after I buy a house and actually have a dedicated workshop. I suspect the new stock wasn’t made correctly or something, there’s too much of a gap between the handguard and the rest of the stock. I probably should’ve just spent the extra money and bought an intact one. I thought this would be a lot easier to restore.
I’d post more pics but they’re on my phone, and someone that apparently shares my IP address when phoneposting got banned on /jp/ for spamming BBC.
>I’d post more pics but they’re on my phone, and someone that apparently shares my IP address when phoneposting got banned on /jp/ for spamming BBC.
Truly a heavy cross to bear. But jokes aside, holy fuck anon that's still fantastic and given how few of the fucking things must be left you're still doing god's work putting it back how it should be.
How's the sight picture?
The battle sight is pretty cool and unique looking. The sight picture is basically the same as a P14 or 1917 when it’s flipped up though. It’s basically the same rear sight piece, in fact I needed to replace the spring in the sliding adjustment piece and I just used one that was for an m1917.
Scout rifles are fucking stupid and everyone defending them is either retarded and/or trying to justify their overpriced meme stick.