This is normal though. Most amphibious IFVs habe this ramp. And the ramp is sometimes the difference between it sinking or swimming. There are some BMP videos where the the water pressure flips the ramp back and they sink.
They literally took inspiration from the EFV (which failed because It was way too expensive) and managed to make It work with chinese labor and prices. Same with the XM-25 (which also failed due to the cost of the propietary rounds), but the chinks instead made their smart grenade launcher with modified 40mm grenades instead of using a propietary round.
So It's cool that the chinks have managed to ramage through US old abandoned project and actually finished them and adopted them into service
To be clear, EFV compared to the final Type 05 was >faster both on land and in the water, with working hydroplaning instead of meme ramps >more capable with nearly double the water operational range >larger, with over double the crew and complement >with composite armor and not cheap weld, mine-resistant by nature >and a larger, remote controlled autocannon (though Type 05s were notably repurposed with a tank gun)
They "made it work" by not attempting to make a quality vehicle from the start and simply settling for bare minimum and improving iteratively on it since then, but given the structural flaws of the design it will never match even the EFV prototypes. Labor cost has nothing to do with it, it's simply that China prioritized completing even mediocre projects while the US habitually cancels successful ones.
ACV/the SuperAV derivative is janky foreign shit much more comparable with Type 05s, way cheaper than EFV.
They literally took inspiration from the EFV (which failed because It was way too expensive) and managed to make It work with chinese labor and prices. Same with the XM-25 (which also failed due to the cost of the propietary rounds), but the chinks instead made their smart grenade launcher with modified 40mm grenades instead of using a propietary round.
So It's cool that the chinks have managed to ramage through US old abandoned project and actually finished them and adopted them into service
God that fricking looks like it sucks to use.
In the slow motion portion you can see PLA gay gets domed by the optic.
Fire on target seems pretty good, but yeesh.
Yeah. Looks like a rough b***h to shoot.
I guess there's a good reason they kept the eye guard on there.
Thats the trade off you got for weight I suppose. Either make it at least 15 lbs heavier and no longer man-portable, or keep it light and eat recoil. One or the other.
The first one with the "through the window" shot looks reasonable, maybe it's only the long range, high pressure rounds that really hammer you.
Might have been better to make it long-recoil or something and separate the optic from the barrel.
You'd probably lose a little bit of accuracy (but realistically it's a fricking grenade not a 338 lapua), gain a little bit of weight, but it'd be much easier to use and inspire more confidence in the person operating it.
I really don't think this weapon would be practical in a real ground war scenario. You'd run out of ammo very quickly, and last I heard the PLA is obsessed with these things and has one in each squad.
These or super light .50 Soviet guns.
Chinese doctrine is built around keeping a squad effective in terrible conditions where support from air power, sea power, or supply chains isn't available.
So they want very heavy hitting and powerful, but light weight specialty weapons equipped for every squad. And are willing to make compromises where needed to get that.
I believe they have lightened versions of standard grenades for this, they developed lightened cartridges for their .50 Soviet MGs.
>Chinese doctrine is built around keeping a squad effective in terrible conditions
To what end though? They've got a huge air force, huge navy, and claim they only want to fight wars of self defense where logistics and support wouldn't be an issue. The only decent reason I can come up with is that this is part of some master plan to expand their control of Africa where it'd usually be every squad for themselves. But they aren't fighting in Africa, they're just investing and building there. Or maybe it's because they fear a Russian-Ukraine war situation where MANPADS and SAMs cripple your air/armor support? That could happen in Taiwan I guess.
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Part of it is that there most likely avenue for a future war is literally through the Himalayas or the jungle of Vietnam. Neither of which are exactly fun places to run a logistics intensive military campaign. So stacking individual squads, so they can pull heavy duty work in regions where getting tanks, artillery, etc, in place isn't easy, is reasonable.
The other part is that they're probably cognizant that the US is ahead of them in mil tech and probably will be for longer than the ticking countdown to the Chinese-American dick measuring contest over the Western Pacific region. By the time we're fighting over Taiwan or some other Pacific islands, China probably won't be militarily caught up with the US. So building your infantry around the idea of being outmatched in air power or the like does make sense as a precaution. Understand your weaknesses and build around them as best you can.
It's literally the perfect gun for urban warfare since It can lob a 40mm grenade accurately through a window wiping out the defenders without causing too much destruction to the building and the ammo is smaller and lighter than ATGM or recoiless rifle:
They literally took inspiration from the EFV (which failed because It was way too expensive) and managed to make It work with chinese labor and prices. Same with the XM-25 (which also failed due to the cost of the propietary rounds), but the chinks instead made their smart grenade launcher with modified 40mm grenades instead of using a propietary round.
So It's cool that the chinks have managed to ramage through US old abandoned project and actually finished them and adopted them into service
Where's the webm of the one sinking because a wave washed overtop of it and into the ports?
That was literally the very first prototype: https://youtu.be/-N9vzoD97ng?t=1766
Which they managed to fix by angling the ramp dynamically with a on-board computer so as to reduce "drag" and make the vehicle more stable at high speeds. That's why now It can even go against the waves:
That's much better than the shitty EFV from the US Marine Corps that failed miserably in every regard: https://youtu.be/qSmolKnAkcE?t=105
>That's much better than the shitty EFV from the US Marine Corps that failed miserably in every regard >video thumbnail is a bald man doing onions face over a stock png instead of actual footage like the chink one
I'm not clicking that shit, especially since he's probably going to spew garbage about capabilities when the reason EFV was canceled was because they were over-tuned and too expensive to procure, not faulty
Dumb Americans think tank is sinking, but is actually engaging submarine mode, for stealth and increased survivability. Stupid westoid mutts will never understand superior Chinese quantum submarine tank technology.
With this most recent achievement, fate has, in a single stroke, marked the decline of the west and spelled a new era of wondrous prosperity and peaceful global dominance for the Chinese dragon, which promises to firmly stand in sharp contrast to the historically bloody ascent of western powers and the cruel subjugation it brought to the humbler nations of the world. The blessings of Chinese plasma stealth technology, undetectable hypersonic combat vehicles, quantum direct-current electricity, neutrino submarine detectors, gamma titanium mono crystal turbines, quantum aircraft carriers, unmanned autonomous A.I. tanks, near-space ballistic air-to-air missiles, super light tanks, +2km range airburst rifles, quantum enhanced railguns, 5G Remote Surgery, magnetized plasma cannons, and quantum superalloy drones will be the instruments with which China affirms its noble stewardship of 21st century world politics and offers the non-western world a different option; an humanist alternative to the depredations of Western leadership and the opportunity for a more equitable and dignified multilateralism.
Their pathetic lmao
They're.
Thar
Reminds me of Napoleon's plan to invade England with a flotilla of barges
Ummm actually it's called a trim vane and is in almost every amphibious vehicle since letting water run over the top can swamp it
True, without it the vehicle would sink.
did sombody forget to lock it in place? I don't think it's a technical failure
trim vane on the BMP is a piece of shit (part of a larger turd) and constantly fails.
So youre saying it's a Cope Slope?
Like wings are a cope for an airplane.
>Not staying airborne with pure thrust alone
Yeah I agree
Water is heavy.
That thing floats because water is heavy.
Could you imagine if water wasn't heavy?
The world would be very different.
oh man, I bet those guys are shitting themselves
Looks cool to me tbh. Amphibious vehicles are almost as dope as military hovercraft.
This is normal though. Most amphibious IFVs habe this ramp. And the ramp is sometimes the difference between it sinking or swimming. There are some BMP videos where the the water pressure flips the ramp back and they sink.
Someone post the WEBM of the chinkoid amphibious APC sinking in the river while just driving along.
Anyone remember that webm of the PLA lav that sinks like a rock
It's kino
Those things look barely able to traverse the channel on a calm day. I can only imagine just vomiting everywhere inside of one.
Its goofy, but its also pretty slick in another way.
I fricking hate China, but I do have to say those things seem to be pretty fricking fast for an amphib which is cool.
They literally took inspiration from the EFV (which failed because It was way too expensive) and managed to make It work with chinese labor and prices. Same with the XM-25 (which also failed due to the cost of the propietary rounds), but the chinks instead made their smart grenade launcher with modified 40mm grenades instead of using a propietary round.
So It's cool that the chinks have managed to ramage through US old abandoned project and actually finished them and adopted them into service
To be clear, EFV compared to the final Type 05 was
>faster both on land and in the water, with working hydroplaning instead of meme ramps
>more capable with nearly double the water operational range
>larger, with over double the crew and complement
>with composite armor and not cheap weld, mine-resistant by nature
>and a larger, remote controlled autocannon (though Type 05s were notably repurposed with a tank gun)
They "made it work" by not attempting to make a quality vehicle from the start and simply settling for bare minimum and improving iteratively on it since then, but given the structural flaws of the design it will never match even the EFV prototypes. Labor cost has nothing to do with it, it's simply that China prioritized completing even mediocre projects while the US habitually cancels successful ones.
ACV/the SuperAV derivative is janky foreign shit much more comparable with Type 05s, way cheaper than EFV.
God that fricking looks like it sucks to use.
In the slow motion portion you can see PLA gay gets domed by the optic.
Fire on target seems pretty good, but yeesh.
Yeah. Looks like a rough b***h to shoot.
I guess there's a good reason they kept the eye guard on there.
Thats the trade off you got for weight I suppose. Either make it at least 15 lbs heavier and no longer man-portable, or keep it light and eat recoil. One or the other.
The first one with the "through the window" shot looks reasonable, maybe it's only the long range, high pressure rounds that really hammer you.
Might have been better to make it long-recoil or something and separate the optic from the barrel.
You'd probably lose a little bit of accuracy (but realistically it's a fricking grenade not a 338 lapua), gain a little bit of weight, but it'd be much easier to use and inspire more confidence in the person operating it.
The scope is kino
I really don't think this weapon would be practical in a real ground war scenario. You'd run out of ammo very quickly, and last I heard the PLA is obsessed with these things and has one in each squad.
These or super light .50 Soviet guns.
Chinese doctrine is built around keeping a squad effective in terrible conditions where support from air power, sea power, or supply chains isn't available.
So they want very heavy hitting and powerful, but light weight specialty weapons equipped for every squad. And are willing to make compromises where needed to get that.
I believe they have lightened versions of standard grenades for this, they developed lightened cartridges for their .50 Soviet MGs.
>Chinese doctrine is built around keeping a squad effective in terrible conditions
To what end though? They've got a huge air force, huge navy, and claim they only want to fight wars of self defense where logistics and support wouldn't be an issue. The only decent reason I can come up with is that this is part of some master plan to expand their control of Africa where it'd usually be every squad for themselves. But they aren't fighting in Africa, they're just investing and building there. Or maybe it's because they fear a Russian-Ukraine war situation where MANPADS and SAMs cripple your air/armor support? That could happen in Taiwan I guess.
Part of it is that there most likely avenue for a future war is literally through the Himalayas or the jungle of Vietnam. Neither of which are exactly fun places to run a logistics intensive military campaign. So stacking individual squads, so they can pull heavy duty work in regions where getting tanks, artillery, etc, in place isn't easy, is reasonable.
The other part is that they're probably cognizant that the US is ahead of them in mil tech and probably will be for longer than the ticking countdown to the Chinese-American dick measuring contest over the Western Pacific region. By the time we're fighting over Taiwan or some other Pacific islands, China probably won't be militarily caught up with the US. So building your infantry around the idea of being outmatched in air power or the like does make sense as a precaution. Understand your weaknesses and build around them as best you can.
It's literally the perfect gun for urban warfare since It can lob a 40mm grenade accurately through a window wiping out the defenders without causing too much destruction to the building and the ammo is smaller and lighter than ATGM or recoiless rifle:
looks really fun to take out on a sunny afternoon tbh
would sit in commander's seat while wearing a lifevest/10
That was literally the very first prototype: https://youtu.be/-N9vzoD97ng?t=1766
Which they managed to fix by angling the ramp dynamically with a on-board computer so as to reduce "drag" and make the vehicle more stable at high speeds. That's why now It can even go against the waves:
That's much better than the shitty EFV from the US Marine Corps that failed miserably in every regard: https://youtu.be/qSmolKnAkcE?t=105
>That's much better than the shitty EFV from the US Marine Corps that failed miserably in every regard
>video thumbnail is a bald man doing onions face over a stock png instead of actual footage like the chink one
I'm not clicking that shit, especially since he's probably going to spew garbage about capabilities when the reason EFV was canceled was because they were over-tuned and too expensive to procure, not faulty
Never mind there it is. Thank you
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I wonder if the driver got out.
Dumb Americans think tank is sinking, but is actually engaging submarine mode, for stealth and increased survivability. Stupid westoid mutts will never understand superior Chinese quantum submarine tank technology.
Where's the webm of the one sinking because a wave washed overtop of it and into the ports?
came here for it
Oh man I wish I had my tablet right now. I have a webm of these buttholes trying to boat one of these down a river and it sinks
Impressive.
With this most recent achievement, fate has, in a single stroke, marked the decline of the west and spelled a new era of wondrous prosperity and peaceful global dominance for the Chinese dragon, which promises to firmly stand in sharp contrast to the historically bloody ascent of western powers and the cruel subjugation it brought to the humbler nations of the world. The blessings of Chinese plasma stealth technology, undetectable hypersonic combat vehicles, quantum direct-current electricity, neutrino submarine detectors, gamma titanium mono crystal turbines, quantum aircraft carriers, unmanned autonomous A.I. tanks, near-space ballistic air-to-air missiles, super light tanks, +2km range airburst rifles, quantum enhanced railguns, 5G Remote Surgery, magnetized plasma cannons, and quantum superalloy drones will be the instruments with which China affirms its noble stewardship of 21st century world politics and offers the non-western world a different option; an humanist alternative to the depredations of Western leadership and the opportunity for a more equitable and dignified multilateralism.
It makes sense as a way of reducing drag from the water. It's still very very silly.
HOW CAN IT FLOAT?
HOW CAN SHE FLOAT?
TELL ME
Nice tomb/ artificial reef
Amphibious tanks are tactically useless
man these things are going to look pretty in the sea of taiwan and sea of japan... like little chang reefs
looks like a nice beach